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Originally Posted by Eucarionte

While Celts were painting their bodies with gliphs, running naked through the woods and fighting likewise, celebrating Neolithic customs and rituals in deep, dark and isolated forests and collecting the heads of their enemies in their pants, Greeks were building the Parthenon and the Colossus of Rhodes, developing Physics, Medicine, Monumental arquitecture, Poetry, recording History, Philosophy, Democracy, Literature, Law, Mathematics, navigating the seas for trade and cultural purposes, engineering and creating the base of what we understand actually as "human development".

Enough said. :bow:

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While Greeks were fighting in the steadily outclassed method of the phalanx (in fact, the Celts beat it, using shortswordsmen with small shields, which would later be a revived tactic to defeat renaissance era pikemen), Celts were busy annihilating and subjugating enemies, and developing tactics, weapons, and fighting styles that overcame almost everyone they engaged (including the Romans, at one time); these weapons, armors, and tactics were then adopted by everyone they encountered, and for a reason; they were logistically superior on the field.

That was so painfully uneducated I actually laughed. This has to be trolling. Philosophy; Celtic druids were rather fond of going to Greece to discuss philosophy with them. And Celtic religion was hardly 'Neolithic', and was practiced in wood and stone temples, not 'deep, dark, and isolated forests'. Celts were apparently quite adept with physics, as they had some of the first actual long range longbows on the planet (short range longbows existed before the Celtic era), and developed a legal and philosophical system that resembles heavily a representative-democracy (elected officials with higher elected officials over them, with groups of electors acting as the final word in deciding the overall leader, like the modern US electoral college system). Modern democracy is as much based on the basest points of Celtic law as it is Greek (any good historian and politicist could tell you that), as it exemplifies personal freedom and responsibility. Medicine; Celts could perform brain surgery as numerous iron age Celtic graves attest (scar tissue through bones attest to that), and their use of painkillers (made from different substances depending on the location) as a battle and medicinal aide speaks to an understanding of chemistry (as any good British Isles historian should know, since one of the first post-Christian medical college was founded on Iona, but then destroyed by the vikings with only a few books saved, mostly on anatomy, and all talking about remedies that were most definitely not Greek in origin, since they involved plants and substances not from anywhere the Greeks would've been). And the trade thing, that was just stupid. Every good historian knows Celts traded with the entire mediterranean, and Celtic mercenaries from as far as Britain found work as far east as modern Israel, so they had to know it was there. And the hDruiaeLateuam from the 6th century is an Irish account of the Celtic sack of Rome, and is a transcription of Celtic oral tradition, and it's remarkably accurate to our understanding of the sack (a foreign Celtic culture kept the knowledge of a brief war 9 centuries prior accurately). That's a hell of a history to keep. Not to mention the great constructions of Eahmain Macha (a massive dome fortress composed of wood, stone, with dirt reinforced walls that could absorb the shock of a cannonball), the purely Celtic oppida walls, which were extremely sturdy and innovative, and made directly assaulting the walls of a Celtic city essentially useless (hence the massive walls built around Alesia to starve the city), the necropolis-type construction at Maimmonwo, the absolutely enormous hill temples with catacomb-esque tombs in eastern Europe. And that, by about 200 BC, pretty much everyone was imitating Celts to at least a small extent, by adopting armor, or fighting styles (like the Greeks did), or by using Celtic soldiers in their armies (like Pontos and Pergamon and the Ptolemaic Empire), and having them fight using Celtic tactics and weapons and armor, because of their superior make and ability against locals. How about Celtic law? Let's expand on that. No all powerful leader or despot; everyone was subject to the law, and even kings could be banished for breaking it (the law was divine, a king was just an expendable official); that's a comparatively modern system (though law is no longer 'divine' in most places). Ardent capitalists (business acumen was paramount in selecting good nobility; Celts notably ran huge trade operations of precious metals, arms and armor, slaves, SHIPBUILDERS {you've apparently never heard of the Veneti, who built ships comparable to Renaissance era galleons}, dyes, and other goods), though if you're a commie I guess you could see that as backward. Not a slight to the Greek fans, but, wow, that was a stupid comment. Has to be trolling.

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Originally Posted by Eucarionte

While Celts were painting their bodies with gliphs, running naked through the woods and fighting likewise, celebrating Neolithic customs and rituals in deep, dark and isolated forests and collecting the heads of their enemies in their pants,

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you might want to do more research
a: not all celts did that, and if they did they didnt do it al day long.
b: not all greeks were highly developped scientist. Aristotle was a great man. but let not forget he was convinced Woman ahd 1 teeth less than a man ~;)

'barabrians' were certainly not 'slow' people. people form that time had the same IQ as we do today

Ranika, don't get trolled.

Yeah, I know. I know it has to be trolling, but have to use every opportunity to be educational, and I'm already irritated from more personal issues today.

That´s not vanilla, it´s a fact ~:)

Anyway, it´s really disgusting posting in this EB forum with you guys. You´re really ill manered, absolutely probarb fanatical (and thus blinded to History), think you know the freaking truth about everything and seems like you´re not ready to discuss anything, but just insulting as a means of communication ("you don´t have a clue", "I laugh at you", "that was a stupid comment" etc. are the beautiful words you use whenever a normal discussion starts).

It´s not surprising why all the people who post here are always the same. You´re disgusting guys. And call yourself "educational". What a joke.

now, see, that's bad trolling. try better.

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Originally Posted by Eucarionte

That´s not vanilla, it´s a fact ~:)

Anyway, it´s really disgusting posting in this EB forum with you guys. You´re really ill manered, absolutely probarb fanatical (and thus blinded to History), think you know the freaking truth about everything and seems like you´re not ready to discuss anything, but just insulting as a means of communication ("you don´t have a clue", "I laugh at you", etc. are the beautiful words you use whenever a normal discussion starts).

It´s not surprising why all the people who post here are always the same. You´re disgusting guys. And call yourself "educational". What a joke.

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Ill manered ?!
Uh you are the trolling one.
I think that is ill manered...
Your other post in this forum are also often not very manared...

Edited for the sake of Universal Peace.

(Attach pic of a hippy with a flower in the hair here)

Gentlemen can we please refrain from makig this a personal discussion. If you consider there to be a troll in your midst there is one response - do not feed the troll. anything else is counter productive.

Continuing on this line will lead to warning being issued and threads being closed. I strongly advise anyone who has strayed into personal discussions to edit their posts.

I bow to Catiline's wisdom, and will not post in anger. :bow:
However if you just want to attack, don't post here. Simple as that. If anyone wants to discuss history in a civilized way, I'm sure we'd all welcome it. If someone refuses to listen and just insults, I ask for them not to post here and waste everyone else's time.

The EB team get's attack an awful lot considering they work for free... ~:handball:

also, don't forget those persians...they were barbs too! :wink:

Remember, a troll only becomes a troll when people actually pay attention to them. Attempting to enlighten them or going down to their level are mistakes and falling right into their trap.

From a tactical point of view they're like phalangites, a head on attack will get you nowhere. Instead you must harass and entice them through volleys of ignore javelins thus forcing them to over-extend themselves, then flank them with maturity.

~;)

I would rather compare it to an attack of mad, mindless berserkers. You can waste your time and resources trying to fight them, but it's wiser to just let them run ahead to their doom...

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Originally Posted by Eucarionte

That´s not vanilla, it´s a fact ~:)

Anyway, it´s really disgusting posting in this EB forum with you guys. You´re really ill manered, absolutely probarb fanatical (and thus blinded to History), think you know the freaking truth about everything and seems like you´re not ready to discuss anything, but just insulting as a means of communication ("you don´t have a clue", "I laugh at you", "that was a stupid comment" etc. are the beautiful words you use whenever a normal discussion starts).

It´s not surprising why all the people who post here are always the same. You´re disgusting guys. And call yourself "educational". What a joke.

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:rolleyes:


Dux, how's this?

http://www.seycat.fsnet.co.uk/flower%20power.jpg

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Originally Posted by eadingas

I would rather compare it to an attack of mad, mindless berserkers. You can waste your time and resources trying to fight them, but it's wiser to just let them run ahead to their doom...

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Naw, those are more like religous fanatics, charging blindly ahead screaming uninteligibly while fervently brandishing a holy symbol and frothing at the mouth. Those guys you have to run down with science calvalry and logic kataphractoi and they will quickly break. ~D

*Bonks head on keyboard*

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Can we please, please, keep the annoying theological debate out of this?
~:rolleyes:

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So, I express my opinion, get insulted and attacked for it without reason, say you make this stuff disgusting for your agressive posts and in top of all that I´m the "troll" everyone wants to blame???

Man, something´s wrong here, really.

Perhaps if you support your opinion with evidence people will be more receptive. Making unsupported opinionated remarks in company you know will disagree is a dangerous game. I think Ranika has responded nicely enough about the importance of the “barbarian” cultures of Iron Age Europe, perhaps you’d like to refute with a bit of evidence about how they were not, or an argument about why the “civilized” cultures profoundly outshine them in importance?

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So, I express my opinion, get insulted and attacked for it without reason, say you make this stuff disgusting for your agressive posts and in top of all that I´m the "troll" everyone wants to blame???

Man, something´s wrong here, really.

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You expressed your opinion. Ranika posted some facts. You got offended.

Case closed.

indeed....you gotta bak it up with history and not say ppl are aggressive..., they say you have a bad comment because you dind't bak it up and just jumped to a conclusion about the Celts...and to a person liek Ranika who is educated in this stuff, it just insults him that you use a stereotypical point for barbarians when it obviously if you look at history deeply, is not true!, the celts were excellent metal workers and traders...not just some stupid barbarian....running into some forest thingy worshipping or being painted blue to be naked....we are all humans....humans always have potential no matter what culture we come from...celtic...Indian etc...all of us have a brain, it depends on what we do with it ~;)

I must say though, Eucarionte, I admire your enthusiasm and agree with you that some comments directed towards you did not help to procure an intelligent conversation. I would probably be as upset as you are about the way you've been treated. However, the fact remains that history can be discussed all day with opinions but without facts it's all just dreamy romanticism.

:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Eucarionte

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So, I express my opinion, get insulted and attacked for it without reason, say you make this stuff disgusting for your agressive posts and in top of all that I´m the "troll" everyone wants to blame???

Man, something´s wrong here, really.

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The issue is that you did not support your posts. Saying "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG" Is not very supportive.:wink:

EB is turning out great! Yet another masterpiece..........



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Reason : content perceived as anti-semetic

please consider your content before you offend minority groups
B.

That... was kind of awkward. Why?



~Wiz

Well I just did that to the people of Rome as Gaul so I'd like a new target, seemed like an interesting idea for Ptolemaic Egypt.

Really I just can't play Vanilla and RTR 5.4 is now boring so while I patiently wait for EB, I have nothing better to do other than thinking non-sense to pass time.

I do wonder what would happen if some Rebels could conquer a profitable city and be left alone to expand, could they become as powerfull as the main factions? Either way, you EB guys did some great work on those units.

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B.

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as i understand it this is a barbarian mod made by a team

babarian factions are the order of the day
(trying to convince this team otherwise is TOTALLY pointless!)


asking questions is welcome

providing information is welcome

offering opinions is welcome


insults, no matter how mild, are not welcome
that means everybody please, no insults aimed at the mod makers,
and no insults at people asking questions/making comments


if the mod team dont agree with you , well, you simply have to accept that

i have edited a few posts, i have issued a warning, i have sent a couple of pms asking people to edit their posts.

can we all play nice,

the less we distract this team with arguments,
the faster they can get this mod into our eager hands

Cheers,
B.

Hello,

I've read this forum for months and i figured it would be an appropiate moment to drop a line in order to :

1) thank the team for the fine job i've seen so far.
2) invite them to keep it up and well going
3) state that i wait for this mod with eagerness
4) fail (miserably) at making a smart comment.

This said, i am truly impressed by the amount of trouble and work you've put in independant troops. This is the way to go and i'd surely like to be able to to this in my job.

Cheers from a french history lover. (Well, i am french and i love history, i am not a lover of french history... well, i AM, but not only french history... oh well...)

I personaly do not believe there were made any comments that warranted this type of editing. This community resolves its own problems, and every one thinks like adults, and for the most part, take jokes lightly.

I'm not trying to offend the admin or something, just saying that this sub-forum enjoys a certain autonomy and has a particular spirit, about discussions which do not require for such an intervention. If things get out of hand, we simply close or erase the thread ourselves.

Again, don't take this the wrong way.... :bow: