Godless Brits?

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

I think you guys are feeding the troll, because I'm pretty sure he's doing this as a petty gaff to enrage atheists.

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I think you're right.

The feedbag is shut. :)

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

Don't bother with Redleg. Apparently he is not smart enough to realize that saying Godamnit(or GAH!) is part of everyday speach not by choice, but by reflex. This might be ironic, but it is in no way a sign of incompetence.

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Tsk Tsk - you would be surprised on how intelligent I am BP - however it seems that you have fallen for the same trap as the rest. Your rather amusing yourself ~:eek:

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I think you guys are feeding the troll, because I'm pretty sure he's doing this as a petty gaff to enrage atheists. It's pretty stupid though, I got a good laugh out of it.

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I have been laughing the whole time - ~:joker:

**watches little Org fishies nibbling at his bait**

~D

I don't get it. This place is specifically designed for debate for its own sake. I've lurked here for a long time and post every once in a while on threads that interest me. The one continuing trait I've noticed is that very few people post here in order to educate themselves or to convince others of something. These threads are all designed specifically to provoke debate for its own sake. As such, what's wrong with making a thread that blatantly does this? If we all come here purely to debate, does it really matter what we talk about?

i fixed your quote to better reflect more accurate description through a less specific statement.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

The one continuing trait I've noticed is that very few people post here in order to educate themselves or to convince others of something. These threads are all designed specifically to provoke.

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WHy not use your own words, Soly, too difficult?

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Originally Posted by Redleg

LOL - doesn't work that way my friend. When you curse something you give credence to the idea of its existance. Why else damn god if you do not believe in his existance as a possilbity.

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Well many times I cursed God. Last I checked my email box or my phone messages there wasn't any response...~;)

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when you are attempting to reach water in the desert and you begin to see the heat waves shimmer across the sand - your mind plays a little trick and you believe you are seeing water in the distance. So you walk and walk toward the shimmering heat waves that you think are water. Your mind has convinced itself that it is indeed water - and in your mind that water exists regardless of the fact that it doesn't exist in reality.

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Exactly. It's the same with God.

Someone who I have previously regarded as a sensible Orgah has, through his responses here, shown himself to be less than I thought. I am disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Believe in God does not equate to a dis-belief in medicine or science. So to find amusement you would have to find where initially Pope John Paul II stated that he did not believe in science, medicine, or surgery to insure a long and healthly life along with the belief in God. You find such a statement then indeed it would be amusing in the same since. Now accepting evolution is not inconsistent with being of faith either - remember our discussion of intelligent design. Again you would have to find a statement where Pope John Paul II stated that creation was the only acceptable solution and then later on stated that evolution was correct to have the same or greater level of amusing then when a athiest finds god while under stress, or uses God in a curse.

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1) Evolution and Science are totally incongruent with Faith that's why Creationism is dead and in its place is Intelligent Design (hint: ID has nothing to do with the big bang).

2) "...evolution is more than a hypothesis." - Pope John Paul II. All of a sudden Darwin is chic and trendy. ~:confused:

3). Faith and praying are not enough for Pope John Paul II to extend is life, maybe there's really no god outside your foxholes.

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Not at all - it looks like the evil guy dancing because of all the amusing athiests - because by using God in a curse they are confirming his existance and damning themselves into his realm, ~:eek: ~;p

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So, St. Patrick's Day and Christmas makes Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer and Leprechauns real? It's all an illusion Mr. Redleg, just like your God. ~:)

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Originally Posted by Slyspy

Someone who I have previously regarded as a sensible Orgah has, through his responses here, shown himself to be less than I thought. I am disappointed.

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Oh I hope *he* wasn't me...~;)

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Originally Posted by Quietus

1) Evolution and Science are totally incongruent with Faith that's why Creationism is dead and in its place is Intelligent Design (hint: ID has nothing to do with the big bang).

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I think that you're missing his point. He's just talking about ways of saying things. There's nothing of substance, nor enough to substanciate his thoughts.

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3). Faith and praying are not enough for Pope John Paul II to extend is life, maybe there's really no god outside your foxholes.

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Don't even go there...The christians claim that God has no real influence in material world, of course because "he" is just an idea. But it seems to be that "he" has influence when it comes to medics saving pacients using science, or to the same bible, when launching plagues over Egipt and killing his child, WOW- What a mercyful God that is!!!
Until some recent time I truly beleived in the Bible as a book of moral guidence, at least by interpretation, but after reading part of it, I now understand that you must really turn the words a lot to get something of value of that old boring book...Like the Church did for so many time.

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Originally Posted by Soulforged

Oh I hope *he* wasn't me...~;)

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Most likely he was refering to me - he will be disappointed futher if a certain individual ever returns to the .org.

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I think that you're missing his point. He's just talking about ways of saying things. There's nothing of substance, nor enough to substanciate his thoughts.

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Bingo we have a winner - give the man a nice thick cigar of his choice.

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Don't even go there...The christians claim that God has no real influence in material world, of course because "he" is just an idea. But it seems to be that "he" has influence when it comes to medics saving pacients using science, or to the same bible, when launching plagues over Egipt and killing his child, WOW- What a mercyful God that is!!!

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Yes indeed he should go there for many reasons - but it seems you at least understand the point of my sarcasm in this thread.

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Until some recent time I truly beleived in the Bible as a book of moral guidence, at least by interpretation, but after reading part of it, I now understand that you must really turn the words a lot to get something of value of that old boring book...Like the Church did for so many time.

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The bible is open to many interpations - unfortunely many have used it for motives that were not in line with the lessons in the book.

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Originally Posted by Quietus

So, St. Patrick's Day and Christmas makes Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer and Leprechauns real? It's all an illusion Mr. Redleg, just like your God. ~:)

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And life is but a dream ~:cool:

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So, St. Patrick's Day and Christmas makes Rudolph the Red-nosed Reindeer and Leprechauns real? It's all an illusion Mr. Redleg, just like your God.

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I am reminded of a quote from C.S. Lewis:
A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.

Crazed Rabbit

nevermind. wrong thread.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I am reminded of a quote from C.S. Lewis:
A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.

Crazed Rabbit

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An interesting quote Crazed Rabbit. However, I must say, how can you feel, witness or be sure of God's glory if all you have is faith?

The Sun, you can feel, witness and be sure of.

Because somebody is God less, it doesn't mean that God doesn't exist..... Or vice versa.... ~;)

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Originally Posted by bmolsson

Because somebody is God less, it doesn't mean that God doesn't exist..... Or vice versa.... ~;)

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Again we have a winner - you can collect the cigar of your choice and know with satification that you are correct. :bow:

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Originally Posted by bmolsson

Because somebody is God less, it doesn't mean that God doesn't exist..... Or vice versa.... ~;)

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great post...:bow:

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Originally Posted by bmolsson

Because somebody is God less, it doesn't mean that God doesn't exist..... Or vice versa.... ~;)

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Oh I'm pretty sure I killed him. ~D ~:eek: :hide:

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

Oh I'm pretty sure I killed him. ~D ~:eek: :hide:

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Nope it was someone else that attempted to kill him - and that individual has died. ~:eek:

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Most likely he was refering to me - he will be disappointed futher if a certain individual ever returns to the .org.

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I would like to know who he was. Maybe a worthy deposit of my atheists rants... :mean:

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Originally Posted by bmolsson

Because somebody is God less, it doesn't mean that God doesn't exist..... Or vice versa.... ~;)

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Let's suppose there's a God who created the universe. Are we also going to suppose there's a God's creator?

The Universe <--God? <--God's Creator? <-- Creator of God's Creator? <--?....

If anyone finds it hard to believe our being came together randomly, then wouldn't it be harder to believe that God's being came together randomly? ~:)

it's beyond the ability of the human mind and our petty laws of physics to understand. that's all there is.

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Originally Posted by Quietus

Let's suppose there's a God who created the universe. Are we also going to suppose there's a God's creator?

The Universe <--God? <--God's Creator? <-- Creator of God's Creator? <--?....

If anyone finds it hard to believe our being came together randomly, then wouldn't it be harder to believe that God's being came together randomly? ~:)

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Originally Posted by Quietus

Let's suppose there's a God who created the universe. Are we also going to suppose there's a God's creator?

The Universe <--God? <--God's Creator? <-- Creator of God's Creator? <--?....

If anyone finds it hard to believe our being came together randomly, then wouldn't it be harder to believe that God's being came together randomly? ~:)

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How funny - it seems you still don't get it?

You don't need science to answer a question about belief.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Nope it was someone else that attempted to kill him - and that individual has died. ~:eek:

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Ok then let me answer that question again in a different way, because it seems you don't understand what 'killed god' means.

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Originally Posted by bmolsson

Because somebody is God less, it doesn't mean that God doesn't exist..... Or vice versa....

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Yes it does. To the person that was raised to believe in god, he has to be the one to kill him off his world. To the person that will never hear about god, he will never have to the honour of having to kill god, just like he wouldn't have the honour to kill any other made up entity.

Soly, you must understand what I mean, after all your name is just a mispelled 'solipsist'. Only the person himself can acquire first hand knoledge of his own existence, and that said person cannot do the same for anything else wether it has an essense or not.

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Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince

Ok then let me answer that question again in a different way, because it seems you don't understand what 'killed god' means.

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Do tell ~D


Maybe there is more then one definition for the word Kill - how many meanings does it have?

:duel:

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Do tell ~D


Maybe there is more then one definition for the word Kill - how many meanings does it have?

:duel:

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Ah, don't presume you do not know, Redleg, you are wiser than that. ~;)

Nietzche intended this as a metaphor in the first place. To "kill" God is to dispel one's own beliefs in "God." He believes (believed?) it to be the improvements of man, I gather, to rely no longer on such notions.

OMG I'm stealing BP's job.

Edit: After your post below, I must say I won't add you further in your joke! :P

Back to the issue of bing "Godless."

Listening to the O'Reilly Radio Factor this evening, he noted that the number of adults listing themselves as weekly church-goers in European nations was very small. 3% in Denmark, 5% in Sweden and Finland, 10% or fewer in France, The Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, and Luxembourg. This is symptomatic of these countries having become secular to the point where a majority of the citizenry have discarded religion.

While this does not guarantee that more of those individuals would now label themselves as being "Godless," I suspect that its a fair bet that atheism is on the rise as well. Perhaps Great Britain is following this trend?

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Originally Posted by Quietus

Let's suppose there's a God who created the universe. Are we also going to suppose there's a God's creator?

The Universe <--God? <--God's Creator? <-- Creator of God's Creator? <--?....

If anyone finds it hard to believe our being came together randomly, then wouldn't it be harder to believe that God's being came together randomly? ~:)

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It all originate from the Quantum and all the Q's there. That is common knowledge...... ~:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Back to the issue of bing "Godless."

Listening to the O'Reilly Radio Factor this evening, he noted that the number of adults listing themselves as weekly church-goers in European nations was very small. 3% in Denmark, 5% in Sweden and Finland, 10% or fewer in France, The Netherlands, Germany, Belgium, and Luxembourg. This is symptomatic of these countries having become secular to the point where a majority of the citizenry have discarded religion.

While this does not guarantee that more of those individuals would now label themselves as being "Godless," I suspect that its a fair bet that atheism is on the rise as well. Perhaps Great Britain is following this trend?

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The more godless people will become the closer we will be to having a superman arise among us.