Let's not forget you're more likely to get run over, mugged or in the USA shot than die from drugs.
The effects on darwinism are so insignificant to be nothing more than a spectre.
~:smoking:
Printable View
Let's not forget you're more likely to get run over, mugged or in the USA shot than die from drugs.
The effects on darwinism are so insignificant to be nothing more than a spectre.
~:smoking:
I fail to see how so? The point of comparing is to say that all of these other things are obviously acceptable, but for some reason people think that drugs aren't. (This is where people's preconcieved notions of drugs comes into play in mymind; despite all comparison, people stubbornly believe that all of them are bad. They list one or two things, which often can come from many other legal activities with the same risks, but they simply refuse to accept that people can use drugs responsibly with very little risk.) I ask then, what is the point of the discussion? Obviously, we all agree that drugs can harm people. To claim otherwise would be absolutely ludicrous. The argument that we make is that the risk is not enough to, first of all, send the user to prison for risking themselves (and nobody else), and secondly that there are all sorts of other risks in the world that are legal. There is not enough difference between the various risks and drug use in order to ban the one reasonably; I'll be damned when any government or person forces me, an adult, to not do with myself as I please. Banning the substance altogether and nurturing a general ignorance of the substance is hardly the best solution to the problem of the risk. As you say, when people find out that some things are false, some will assume that none of it is true. It is best to educate the individual in all honesty and to leave the decision to the individual instead of treating them like a little child that cannot decide what is best for themselves. Throwing them in prison only further harms the quality of their lives; it is totally asinine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
It's use does, not the drug itself. Most psychadelics are heavily (almost to the point of exclusivity) dependant on set and setting. Having the proper quality of both, prior to use, is essential to a good 'trip' which can be very personally rewarding for a lifetime. Under other circumstances, it can be the opposite. Knowing how to establish those would be far better and more rewarding to the user than for society to respond by lumping them in the same group as other 'undesireables' and severely hindering their life. Talk about hypocrisy. "Don't use them! They can ruin your life. So, if you do use them, we will ruin yours for sure!" What?Quote:
LSD carries a genuine risk of mentall illness. It does not take an overdose.
The harm is that it may ruin their life, and the solution is to ruin their's for sure.:help:
This has been the entire issue. Despite my best attempts, I have gotten few specific harms mentioned by people other than, "They will ruin you're life (no chances at all, they will). Don't ask me how but they will." The exception being Redleg's very real comment on the dangers of producing methamphetamine. However, this neither means that it cannot be done safely by professionals, nor that the user should be sent to prison as punishment for the brewer risking other people's lives. Even most of the harms that can come from use are there only because forbidding them outright forces use underground into unsafe marketing, refining, 'cutting', and many other things related only to them being criminalized/banned. (Again, this is where my brass generalization comes in. People are so set against them, they hardly ever present clear and logical arguments against them, and then continue to consider their use absolutely detrimental to everything human and right.) I wonder, when will guns be banned since they may be used improperly by children and accidentally kill other children? When will motorcycle riding be banned -- I'm sure I could find some very graphic pictures of accidents that would not have been nearly as bad if the person were in a car or in a government-built, government-operated, government-owned, and government-maintainedm, vehicle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
It does not, even remotely, necessarily follow. I would not recommend that anyone at all anxious about psychadelics (generally speaking, where there are many less prone to this problem such as mescaline and many dissociatives) use them. The paranoia feeds itself in that altered conciousness, and they should only be used when the person is absolutely comfortable and probably with first experiences w/ little to no external stimulus at all. Removing the stimulus that leads to many of the bad effects, and knowing which ones can, which ones will, and which ones in all probability will not is personal. Consider: how many bad trips occur when a person is totally at ease with the drug and their surroundings? Especially if the only thing being altered in perception is your thoughts. Contrary to your claim, there are very real ways of preparing the use of those substances so that the risk of a bad trip is quite close to zero.Quote:
Some good info and bad info. Read the variety of negative experiences and ask yourself if you would be willing to live a bad trip for the remainder of your life.
I am yet to see any structured argument. All of yours already operate under the premise that use is a harm, in and of itself, which you have failed to show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinus Arma
Read post 84 in this thread. And I just editted it a bit. Noticed a part I left out.
Linky? A pretty big claim, and other factors seem to be ignored. It is not apperant whether this happens all the time, which it obviously doesn't, and what causes the malfunction of returning to normality. What goes wrong and how does it go wrong? And importantly, why does this warrant the criminalization of use, and why does it warrant the criminalization of all other, currently illicit, drugs?
As I have said, there can be no doubt that drug use may result in bad things; there can be no doubt that eating peanuts may result in similar harms, as when someone may be unkowingly, and severly, allergic.
Sorry. No linky. it is a summary of education, training, and experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanamori
As a parallel, ask me to explain global marketing. I'll tell you that it is a combination of foreign entry, foreign local marketing, and global management. I'll go into great detail. You'll ask me for a link. I'll tell you that I finish my MBA early next year. Tacit knowledge is hard enough to articulate by itself, let alone attempt to derivate.
However, I'm sure most of what is written is at least somewhat logical to you. If you have used LSD with any frequency or have done significant research into the topic for self education, I am sure that you can understand the biological background behind the hallucinogenic manifestations I outline here.
edit: And to clarify, I am not suggesting that this type of experience is a certainty or an eventuality, only that it is one very real possible outcome. Some users internalize, or "headtrip". Other users externalize, and experience intense auditory and visual manifestations. The focus of the user depends, in part, as you said on the setting. However, the biomechanics of synaptic bridging which create misinterpretation in neural organization is still the cause, regardless.
Some users may report sharing a similar experience when tripping at the same time. They may feel connected in a way never before possible. The complete inability to interpret sensory signals, in this case, leads to the elimination of interpersonal barriers. Furthermore, the users are simultaneously "feeling" their perception of their trip partner's experience. It is created, in part, from a psycholigcal social mirror that is generated by behavioral interactivity. We reinforce each other's view of ourselves based on our own behavior. We hold views of ourselves based on the subtle cues of others' behavior surrounding us. This same phenomenon, which occurs regardless of drug use, is what contributes to the "we are sharing the experience and feeling each others' feelings" perception of users who trip together.
Dont do shrooms:furious3: :dizzy2: :embarassed:
Are you kidding me? Shrooms are 10x better than LSD and wont get you federal jail time. Except shrooms makes everyone appear to have downs syndrome, but thats part of the fun. Buffalo Pies make the best shrooms.