What will be the faction of your first 0.8 campaign?

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Originally Posted by Obelics

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kambiz
"The parthian General who defeated Crassus at Battle of Carrhae was "Iran Spahbod Surena".

About Carrhae one thing is remaind as mystery for me.Why Ashkâniân did not continue this war and did not attack into Roman territories?Because After defeating Crassus powerful army ,There were not enough troops for romans to guard the borders and it took time for them to commit enough forces against Parthians.

Cheers
-Kambiz

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I yes Surena, thanks for the tip! regarding the question of the parthian expansion, i think (from an economical side) it was more lucrative to control the rich traffics from the eastern lands (trhough the silk road) to the very "consumistics" western territories. It was a function the parthian did well, for example (if i well remember) a chinese explorer could not enter in the roman border cause the parthian didn't want it were a direct commercial link between the two empires (roman and chinese), they where a sort of mediator, and it was very very lucrative...

greets

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Actually the parthians invaded syria in the years after carrhae, two times. The first time with a small force when they thought it was defenceless, that was reoulsed by cassius and later with a larger force that caused some panic among the romans in the east. Cicero, who was governor of cilicia in 51BC, wrote that they stayed in roman territory over the winter. But they were not able to capture Antiochia or any major city and were constantly harrased by Cassius forces. Finally Cassius ambushed them and killed their general Osaces. Thereafter they left syria and made peace with rome.

During the era of roman civil wars, a decade later, the parthians, with the help and convinced to do so by ex republican roman general Quintus Labienus, invaded the roman east, initially very sucessfully again, but were finally defeated by Publius Ventidius and their generals killed.

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Originally Posted by Lusitani

Barbarians of course...probably the Iberians or any other Celts!!

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I don't think the Iberians are Celts. Though they may have access to some Celtic units in Celtic lands.

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Originally Posted by Conqueror

I don't think the Iberians are Celts. Though they may have access to some Celtic units in Celtic lands.

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Well surely if your fighting style is similar to the faction your conquering regardless of your culture you should get acess to their units assumably certainly between the iberians and guals.

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Originally Posted by Darkarbiter

Well surely if your fighting style is similar to the faction your conquering regardless of your culture you should get acess to their units assumably certainly between the iberians and guals.

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What do fighting methods have to do with it?

You can recruit local soldiers and use them in your armies without needing to change their arms or armament i would assume.

You forgot Sabeans its obvious they are going to be the faction in place of the senate/yeuthzi(Saka Rauka are Yuetzhi right?).

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Originally Posted by Olaf_The_Great

You forgot Sabeans its obvious they are going to be the faction in place of the senate/yeuthzi(Saka Rauka are Yuetzhi right?).

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QUIET YOU FOOL

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Originally Posted by Darkarbiter

You can recruit local soldiers and use them in your armies without needing to change their arms or armament i would assume.

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Yeah so back to this subject I think EB's government complexes reflect the political effects of conquering a settlement more so than the ability to absorb outside forces tactically and logistically

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Originally Posted by Conqueror

I don't think the Iberians are Celts. Though they may have access to some Celtic units in Celtic lands.

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Nop Iberians are not Celts, i said that in a very generalistic way i guess. In the Iberian Peninsula they were probably fewer than the celtic or celtiberian tribes actually...still it was a big cultural cauldron back then.

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Originally Posted by Trithemius

QUIET YOU FOOL

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You guys realeased it in a preview with Sabean Infantry!

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Originally Posted by Olaf_The_Great

You guys realeased it in a preview with Sabean Infantry!

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Which kind of proves that faction X cannot be saba as we have no screenshots of faction X units done yet. Do understand that EB will include many regionals from around the globe, regionals who do not make up any factional unit lists, and so you may be confusing one of them with that. Please be aware, on the homepage and on the forums there are no images of faction X units at all.

Foot

Iberians probably

Romani. I always play the game as the Romani ...

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Originally Posted by Foot

Which kind of proves that faction X cannot be saba as we have no screenshots of faction X units done yet. Do understand that EB will include many regionals from around the globe, regionals who do not make up any factional unit lists, and so you may be confusing one of them with that. Please be aware, on the homepage and on the forums there are no images of faction X units at all.

Foot

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1:Well Now it says southern arabian infantry.
2:I saw a thread that now seems to be gone about people talking about the Sabeans.

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Originally Posted by Oldgamer

Romani. I always play the game as the Romani ...

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Aww. C'mon. :grin: There's so much more amazing stuff out there though! Play as the Greeks with 0.8 - one of their factions. They have so much more cool stuff than the boring romans. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou

Aww. C'mon. :grin: There's so much more amazing stuff out there though! Play as the Greeks with 0.8 - one of their factions. They have so much more cool stuff than the boring romans. :laugh4:

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and its not like he's biased or anything...his name probably isn't the name of a Spartan (prince, right?), its surely Latin! Or Celtic!

(or play as the Getai, I just started a campaign with them, and they are a BLAST! Its totally cool to get paid by one Greek faction to raid the other, sack one city, then get reimbursed for the ENTIRE campaign in return for calling off the siege of another city. and they get tarabostes in .8!)

Please, can everyone stop making suggestions to people on which faction they should play ...

Your confusing them when with certainty they know they want to play Hayasdan :grin:

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Sweboz of course. They're just that much more fun than everybody else. And then after that, maybe Iberia.

Just because.

If half of what we got done ends up in for them, Baktria is going to be damn fine.

Baktria's already quite nice, though I guess there's always room for improvement. I'm looking forward to some more diverse phalangites (I may be a minority there, but I'm really excited about klerouchoi and argyraspidai etc) and some traditional hoplites.

Will Baktria be able to get some of those heavy hoplites from the Saka Rauka preview if they build, say, a type 3 or type 2 govt in some of the Sakae lands? They look like really fun toys.

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Originally Posted by paullus

Baktria's already quite nice, though I guess there's always room for improvement. I'm looking forward to some more diverse phalangites (I may be a minority there, but I'm really excited about klerouchoi and argyraspidai etc) and some traditional hoplites.

Will Baktria be able to get some of those heavy hoplites from the Saka Rauka preview if they build, say, a type 3 or type 2 govt in some of the Sakae lands? They look like really fun toys.

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Well, those heavy hoplites the Saka get are actually Greeks from Baktria fighting for their new Saka lords.

Although there are some Indo-Greek Hoplites made, that should be nice :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Darkarbiter

Well surely if your fighting style is similar to the faction your conquering regardless of your culture you should get acess to their units assumably certainly between the iberians and guals.

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Only if you keep 'their' political and social structures intact: say using a Type 4 government. Type 1 and 2 involve converting the culture into your own - so no 'foreign' units should pop up, type 3 involves pretty much te same with the exception that there will always remain a substantial 'foreign' culture present, yet not enough to support the recruitment of unit types of that specific culture tech trees (as that would mean that the locals still have the option of rebellion to your rule, which is exactly you're trying to prevent with Type 3 governments). So only if you conquered a region and installed a Type 4 government it would make sense to allow units of the foreign culture. And it still won't be elite units, as the elites are the first to either be converted to their conqueror's culture to keep up their social and political status, or to rebel against the invaders - in both cases they aren't suited to the task of forming the elite units of a 'foreign' culture in your service anymore.

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The factions I'm looking forward to playing are the Greek factions. Not that remarkable, is it? ~;)

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Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

The factions I'm looking forward to playing are the Greek factions. Not that remarkable, is it? ~;)

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well, im wondering what kind of change there will be for Greece in 0.8, it seems to me the far most complete faction in 0.74, so i cant imagine what they could add, anyway if there is somethink prepared also for KH, im very very curious to know...!!!

ok i want to speculate, pheraphs a fixed corint oplites (they are to similar to oplites ifik.)? EB customized generals skins and stendard bearers? cant imagine more of this uff:dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Obelics

well, im wondering what kind of change there will be for Greece in 0.8, it seems to me the far most complete faction in 0.74, so i cant imagine what they could add, anyway if there is somethink prepared also for KH, im very very curious to know...!!!

ok i want to speculate, pheraphs a fixed corint oplites (they are to similar to oplites ifik.)? EB customized generals skins and stendard bearers? cant imagine more of this uff:dizzy2:

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I don't know about any changes either, as I'm not an EB team member. Maybe someone like Teleklos Archelaou could tell us?

Spartiates, eventually another good hoplite unit, KH strategos, more ethnicities eventually, old-school lower tier hoplites. We've had the game field upgradable to small gymnasia, then a regular one, and eventually can turn into big academic ones too or palaistra (you choose), but we've had it so long it seems like it was in 074 :grin:. At least I don't think it was in 074. We also moved Areus to the coast of the Peloponnese as having him stranded in Krete (as the AI) hindered the faction a lot. Oh, Cretan archers. Plus the new greek music too. Eventually strat map diplomat/assassin/spy changes too, but not in 0.8. Oh, and reskins of a number of units we already had too by the way. So lots of things still remain, but not all will get in 0.8.

that's a small preview with all the attributes...

Hayasdan most deffinatley. I always have (and allways will) love building an empire with that tiny little backwater in the east.

If we ever get our big stinking unit update finished, I'd like to try the KH out first - to see the Spartans as well as the Cretan Archers and the new KH Strategos and the Tarantinoi (btw, Spirit of Rob just posted the new KH Captain and it's gorgeous too! but probably won't be in 0.8). This way I'll still get to fight against the new Mak thracian prodromoi and agrianian assault infantry and other various new units.

Sauka Rauka, then

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Sabea

Faction X, then Iberia.

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Originally Posted by Teleklos Archelaou

If we ever get our big stinking unit update finished, I'd like to try the KH out first - to see the Spartans as well as the Cretan Archers and the new KH Strategos and the Tarantinoi (btw, Spirit of Rob just posted the new KH Captain and it's gorgeous too! but probably won't be in 0.8). This way I'll still get to fight against the new Mak thracian prodromoi and agrianian assault infantry and other various new units.

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Tarantinoi????! wow! They are oplites or another type of infantry?!? nooo im too courious to know... They will be recruitable only in Tarentum? or just in all the Magna Grecia (Sicily excluded?), Small Preview with pic (at last as that of cretan archers, even just a cutted pic of just a particulary)???
you are making a great teasing campaign TA spreading all this small infos in different threads... (at last if i haven't miss some preview of this unit)

PS: it should be nice if there will be a sort of generic Magna Grecia type oplites/unit recruitable in all Magna Grecia (Sud Italy + Sicily)...

PPS: what a pity that im currently playing KH so long that i dont know if it will be one of the first faction i will play...