so he did i was confused because he bolded the vote without unvotingQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
unvote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Ultrawar
has to be one or the other....
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so he did i was confused because he bolded the vote without unvotingQuote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
unvote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Ultrawar
has to be one or the other....
Vote:Ultrawar
huh. So Seamus said he was creating a tie when he was actually putting GH ahead. A mistake?
Vote: UltraWar
More likely him than GH....
I'll 12-step with the group on this one. Vote: Ultrawar.
Sasaki:
I took Moody's count as accurate, your vote made three for ultra, so I tied it up.
Let's give some counterweight.
Vote: GH
explain to me why UW is mafia other than gut feeling.
I dont know about either of these fellows.But,since you people couldnt get my little tips about an Mafia member who is just lurking away and will surely kill me the next night and if that happends i couldnt tell you my investigations post mortem.Also becouse either of these fellows wouldnt help me trick the mafia by revealing themselves as "detective" with my evidence and by that could have given me chance to investigate another person in this game.I might just reveal myself and one mafioso. Proletariat is mafia. I investigated her on the first round and bang! Second time i got Mafioso with pure luck on the first round. I gave you tip right from the start of the round and then yesterday i even posted a sentence: Proletariat is Mafia, but nobody took the tip. From these two i have to Vote General Hankerchief, since i already revealed myself to him on the first round in chat, but even after that he didnt vote Prole. So its possible that he could be Mafioso too. If thats the case we could be extremely lucky.Here are the PM´s between me and Csar that prove Prole quilty:
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Originally Posted by Csar
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Originally Posted by Kagemusha
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Originally Posted by Csar
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Originally Posted by Kagemusha
HAH! I wondered if any mafioso would be so foolish. I'm the real detective, lynch Kage!
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Day before yesterday evening my time Which is 2 hours more then in Norway i think its GMT+2.You can ask GH when he gets online. I revealed myself to Ultrawar yesterday evening and he replyed that he could help me if he would survive to the next round.Now that wouldnt have helped me at all since i would have been dead by that time if i wouldnt bring Prole out in the open before that.
hmm let me think about this
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
You guys really enjoy creating guilty-groups, don't you?:inquisitive:
I am probably not going to be near an internet connection for the next 2 or 3 days, so that will be the reason why I won't be posting. Not because I'm off for some more grapes from Wanaka. :sweatdrop:
you guys really have to stop these fluffed Detective reveals no-one can believe anyone else because we all seen it done before - i say we lynch ultra this tie, prole the next and kage the one after just to be sure...
Thats completely fine by me. I expect to get lynched,just like i was when i catched Sasaki. But please elaborate whats fake about that i tryed to tip you of Prole and then show my evidence,becouse i was forced to do so. Otherwise my role as detective wouldt help town at all. Please tell me your theory behind my suicidal behaviour?
It looks genuine to me. You guys were quite foolish to lynch him instead of me in cosa nuova. A detective for a mafioso is a good trade.
so the detective not only broke the "only reveal to everyone at once" clause but also revealed himself to 2 people who could have been mafia because he hadnt investigated them - thats too fishy for me, im not saying we should disregard it as false but its clouded just as any early detective reveal isQuote:
Day before yesterday evening my time Which is 2 hours more then in Norway i think its GMT+2.You can ask GH when he gets online. I revealed myself to Ultrawar yesterday evening and he replyed that he could help me if he would survive to the next round.Now that wouldnt have helped me at all since i would have been dead by that time if i wouldnt bring Prole out in the open before that.
i hate to say this but after your last experiance at the reveal you should have learnt to play it safe and waited longer...
I do believe Kage so my following comment is only a thought for a specific situation: IF and only IF Kages claim proves to false.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
Why do you (Sir Moody) forget to name GH in your list of to people to lynch if you want to play safe? Why Ultrtawar but not GH? Is this an attempt to persuade us, the villagers to lynch innocents?
Again, in the case of Kage telling the truth this would make no sense. Proletariat would be one of the mafia so why would the second and last member try to protect a villager?
I don't get it but I would like to hear Moodies explenation.
That rule wasn't listed by Csar in the OP or in the pm. I don't know why he revealed himself to those two, perhaps he'd already planned on outing himself this round it would seem to be the safest move.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
If he's mafia he has to know we won't let him survive until the end. Why would he kill himself just for one villager, 2 at the most?
Yep righty then.:dizzy2: First of if you are detective and you find Mafia member you wont hold out to that knowledge and hope that you get another one too. Like it has been sayed thousand times before, to trade detective for a mafioso is a good trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Moody
My strategy was first to try to tip you guys with my original post in this thread,didnt work. Then i saw that there were lots of single votes aimed at different directions so i thought what the hell, i could reveal myself but that would mean that i would be goner. So i decided to reach for an individual player who could tip the voting balance near the end of the voting session and that could get myself unnoticed by the mafia or that they would think that the second voter would be the detective since my first post could have been interprated as hip shot like Xiahou did.
Then i had to decide who to contact and i decided that GH could actually believe me and keep his mouth shut. But then that strategy didnt work out either. For some reason unknown to me GH decided not to vote for Prole instead he was himself victim of a bandwagon that almost got him killed. At this point when it became apparent that my first plan would fail.
I decided that maybe i could turn your hands by tipping you guys even more.Then i posted a masked question to Prole, but replaced this mark: , so that the first sentence was Proletaria is Mafia, but to a no effect. I knew that at this point the mafia wouldnt let me live another day,if it was up to them.
After that i had really hard time thinking whether i should reveal myself at that point. But luckily there was a tie between GH and Ultrawar that created another chance for me to fool mafia. I knew that Ultrawar was desperate,becouse he was very near of lynching,also i didnt have anything to loose,since i would have to reveal myself in the case Ultrawar wouldnt help me decieve the Mafia by declaring detective and revealing Prole. But for some strange reason that didnt work out either. Ultra decided that he could help me in the next round if he would survive,but that wouldnt have helped me becouse of the rule that i couldnt have revealed anything incase of death. So all my options were used and i didnt have any other choice but to reveal myself. So in my own humble opinion, i pretty much what i could to keep myself alive and help town longer.
i neglected General hankerchief because kage just voted for him in the tie off but no you are right we should lynch him as well in case its a double bluff...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peasant Phill
the whole missing reveal to every clause has me a touch confused i thought it was a standard clause these days in a mafia game so can we maybe get a word from csar on this? was it left out?
even if it wasnt in, i still dont agree with the tactics used by kage they make it hard for me to believe him - trading the ONLY detective for a mafia in round ONE is not a good trade - maybe after a few rounds as you will have at least a small list of innocents then but so early on? no - you should have dropped the first hint and then waited till next round to drop a few more - reveal should be saved as a last resort not as a "opening move"
so heres my "revised" lynching plan
Ultrawar (or GH) in this tie off we need to kill both so either will do, then Prole, then the survivor of this tie, then kage - this keeps kage alive as long as possible so if he is telling the truth and he is the detective he can give us a few more names (i find it hard to believe the mafia will knock him off now he has revealed since there will be doubt as to whether he is telling the truth or not) - if you dont agree feel free to lynch me it saves me from being mafia bait like normal
I'm really having a hard time with this one. Most suspicious of all is the absense of Lady Proletariat from these discussions. Were she truly mafia, she'd be excited (I think it's a first for her) and she'd be monitoring conversations constantly. I'd say the fact that she's been AFK for so long indicates she probably isn't Mafia. In light of that, Kagemusha's probably trying to save his cohort, which makes me shift my vote....
Vote: UltraWar
I'm not buying that Don. Why would a mafiamember who isn't a suspect (yet) risk being exposed just to help his mate who can't be helped in that round. We have to chose between Ultra and GH so why would it help any of the two this round if somebody said that a third person was a mafiamember.
When I die, please get my name right on the tombstone. I'm mostly intrested in why when I do something, I automatically get accused of something. I'm fine with it but if I join a bandwagon, lurk or even stay active, the result always stays the same.
I will give GeneralHankerchief good luck in following rounds.
Life, Auf Wiedersehen
Unvote:GeneralHankerchief
Vote: UltraWar
In reading my below post, it comes off like I believe the following to be fact, not a theory. It is in fact just a theory, one that answers Peasant Phil's conjecture that my scenario doesn't make sense. I'm trying to explain how I believe this is going...Quote:
Originally Posted by Peasant Phill
A & B are both tied for the lynch vote. A is mafia, B is not. C is also mafia. In an effort to take the heat off of A, C claims to be the detective and points the finger at D. C then makes B (who is innocent look bad) by saying that they had already contacted B and B ignored the evidence against D, strongly implying that B & D are mafia, when in reality, it's A & C. What's more, when C has a history as the detective of all detectives, this scenario works out even better for A & C. Finally, if D really were mafia, D would be monitoring the conversations and would speak up in their own defense. Ignoring the searchlight pointed their way (and an almost guaranteed lynching the next round) is not a reasonable response for D, if D is really mafia. In reality, the only reason D isn't answering is because D isn't paying attention to the game, very un-mafia-like behavior. Now, once you establish that D is most likely not-mafia, that makes C look very, very bad. I can't vote for C (this round, but just you wait!), but I can do the next best thing and vote for A.
For those who lost count
A=Ultrawar
B=GeneralHanky
C=Kagemusha
D=Proletariat
Didn't feel like writing all those names over and over... :dizzy2:
Don,why you have so little faith on poor old Kage? I didnt enjoy the idea of lynching Prole but she came out as quilty, dont let your Chivalry to interfere your judgement.:knight:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Vote: General Hankerchief
Reason: I don't exactly see the point in lynching Ultra War.:juggle2:
Don, the problems with your theory are twofold:
1) That Prole hasn't posted yet is hardly convincing proof of her innocence. The claim hasn't been out there for 8 hours yet, and plenty of newbie mafioso's have laid low (destro and Xiahou in cosa nuova).
2) There has been no counterclaim. The real detective could easily have spoken up, shown kage as guilty and either ultra or gh as guilty.
Item #1 seems a little dicey (that was the 2nd or 3rd mafia game right? Prole's played something like 8 games and this would theoretically be her first time picked for a role? Also, were they accused and ignored the accusation at times or did they just not post a lot?),
but you have a good point there on item#2.
Unvote: UltraWar
Vote: Abstain (for now)
Maybe the 'real' one is dead ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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Hmm, can a detective reveal himself after he's been killed?It isn't mentioned in the PM or the rules and I know BKS revealed himself as a doctor in cosa nuova.