Now we are making life standards based on what other animal species are doing? that is even worse than using European courts... or maybe not.
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Now we are making life standards based on what other animal species are doing? that is even worse than using European courts... or maybe not.
It has been observed in Lions that a Male can force a female to go in a reproductive phase by killing her young, specially when these are not his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk
Not exactly, we are informing ourselves about how nature deals with these issues, by observing animals. And nature is unbiassed, no politics, no religion, no money involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
Woudn't that be categorised under "Rape" behavior? I mean, isnt Pedophilia characterised by Adult-Child sex, while Adult-Adult sex is available? Or at least under normal circomstances? because as far as animal are concerned (which do not have moral judgement, just instincts), taking a mature sea lion and throwing it in the middle of children sounds like extreeme circomstances, and the sea lion is driven by instinctual needs, rather than a conscious choice. No?Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Lactation produces oxytocin which prevents ovulation. Remove the stimuli for lactation and ovulation will occur. Same thing occurs in humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suraknar
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Unbiased? No politics? How do you define politics? Suits, Lies and Adultury?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suraknar
Power struggles, Loyalty benefits, are just a more primitive form of politics.
I've seen Elephant bulls give sexually receptive females better watering holes for their efforts. Ive seen power struggles of turf and herd across the board; mammals, insects, birds etc. Ive seen apes and monkeys reciprocate behavior and be thrown out of families for disruptive behavior againts the interests of the alpha troops. I've seen female elephants fight other females and kidnap a calf to prove a point.
Animals don't tend to create computers, farm, create flying vehicles, explore the moon. That, in effect means those things are unnacceptable?
Animal activity is nearly irrelevant except to gain greater insight into the patterns of the animal and its environment.
I dont want to stray too much from the topic here, but what you describe about animal actions is within the boundaries of their instinctive behavior, in the goal of insuring the propagation of their genes. These are mechanicsms that we as humans when we observe we may have a tendency of attributing them to our own conscious and abstract way of thinking but the animals behave that way out of instinct, they dont plan their behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
Humans are animals too, at least we evolved from the animal kingdom and side-steped off many natural selection rules.
That being said, we function with reason, we function with abstract thinking we plan things, and we are able to shape our invironment to suit our needs. We are also able to be creative and albeit being creative is not only a human trait we can be creative in an abstract manner.
When a questions about a certain behavior move in to the realm of genetics and biology, observing the animal kingdom is more than a curiosity, it is a good source of insight and information gathering to the issue.
We may have become different from the rest of the animal kingdom, but lets not forget that as Hommo Sapiens we have been around only 200 thousand years compared to an evolutionary journey of 3 Million years.
Lets not also forget that we have been sedentary for about 7-10 thousand years compared to a nomad hunter/gatherer life style of 190 thousand years.
Do you realise that even today in the modern world that we live in Humans still posses Pre-hestoric Brains? Our brains are adapted to the Hunter/Gatherer lifestyle still, and there is no genetic evolution that separates them from our ancestors of pre-history.
If indeed pedophilia exists in the animal kingdom then it is a mechanism that serves a specific purpose, that purpose gives us insight in to understanding why it occurs to Humans.
To my knowledge it does not happen in nature, so for now the way I see it, if it proves to be genetic, it can be more of a defect than a "natural" behavior.
And this has consequences, as our approach towards such behavior changes, instead of dismay and urges to punish, we can instead understand and try to help.
Define peadophilia.
When one is underage, and has sex with a person of the same age, isn't that, by definition peadophilia?
Doesn't one generally outgrow (yes, I mean that literally) this?
But I assume this is for small children. There might be some predisposed standing on this from genetics, but I think it is mostly choice.
You are going to hate me for saying this, but ask a peadophile.
If this is proved true, it will change me a lot because I view peadophilia as one of the most disgusting acts one can commit.
nurture over nature
Unless of course my constituency demands protection for an action contrary to traditional morality by stating man is bound in action by biology alone.
As the politics turn, so does the debate and its supporting science.
I imagine, as with rape, there a various reasons why people commit peadophilia (anf Im not talking having sex with a 15 old - not checking her ID in a club for example)
* They are actively attracted to children - i.e their physical form
* They arent attractive to adults - its the only way they can have sexual gratification with another person without paying for it.
* They were abused themselves and are repeating a cycle.
* They have explored other sexual taboos and the taboo of sexually assualting a child is a turn on rather than the child itself