Nah it was just a wierd statement that I cannot fathom, changing those words would make even more indecipherable .:shrug:
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Nah it was just a wierd statement that I cannot fathom, changing those words would make even more indecipherable .:shrug:
Does that really change anything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
The full quote is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brenus
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Originally Posted by Baba Ga'on
From a humanitarian point of view no, from a military and sociological point of view, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
Strategically the destruction of a resisting city is a good move. Alexander crushed dissent in Greece by raising Thebes to the ground, the result being that overall lives were saved by avoiding a protracted war. Also, after an assault all but the most diciplined soldiers will rape an pillage. Seeing your friends killed by the defenders gets your blood up.
It's not defensible but it's no where near as bad as cold blooded and cowardly murder of civilians. THe best thing about suicide bombing is you don't have to face the consequences of your actions, in this world in any case.
Most generals who did these things had trouble sleeping, I would imagine.
Doesn't matter how many moderates there are, it are the hardliners that make up the agenda. People are so quik to dismiss identity as a dominator, and islam is a strong identity. How that came to be, well we leave them no choice because we insist on giving it a place while we should be fighting radical elements, we pour water on small surface fires but the fundament is smoldering. Surveys have shown that in GB the majority of the muslims want the sharia or the sharia light, they might not be a danger now but when we need them they aren't on our side. No scientist has ever dismissed group dynamics, and we got groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
ps, last week, Brussels. Apparantly the foolishness has gone so far that a days peace is worth more then the constitutional right to demonstrate, multiculture is starting the affect vital organs.
Nope , it is the hardliners that make most noise .Quote:
Doesn't matter how many moderates there are, it are the hardliners that make up the agenda.
Quite succesfully if howmanywasit want the sharia/sharia-light, more then half at least no? Doesn't have to be the violent interpetation, it is undemocratic at best, hostile at it's worst. We simply cannot allow that, integration can only be achieved from a position of dominance. Muslims must understand that this is not a islamist country, and multicultists should stop trying to give them the idea that these terms are debatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Well done Frag you just undermined your whole irrational rationale .Quote:
Quite succesfully if howmanywasit want the sharia/sharia-light, more then half at least no?
So now frag , would you be one of those noisy hardliners that try to set the agenda but fail because the majority see the hardline stance as nonsense ?
Hmmmmm nope sorry, not the majority says it's nonsense, half of UK mosks have radical idea's, looked it up, 61% want sharia courts (with the obligitory within brittish law), what is so hard about it? Cause and effect just doesn't exist for you? That percentage will rise as time progresses, that is the most likely because of the soft pressure on moderate muslims. We have seen that happening in other country's, and we have seen nothing that shows otherwise, it's a global trend and in England it is pretty severe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
1+1=2
article, http://www.meforum.org/article/687 no smiley's hope you like it.
^---these guys worry me, they have a lot of influence here in the Netherlands. Some dhimmi politicians insist on apleasement.
'This creates a self-perpetuating cycle of radicalization because the greater the political legitimacy of the Muslim Brotherhood, the more opportunity it and its proxy groups will have to influence and radicalize various European Muslim communities.'
Do not forget he is smarter then you, and currently probably without a hangover.
More; http://en.internationalepolitik.de/a...warranted.html
It's not integration gone wrong it's a coordinated attempt. All (well not all just the smart ones) scholars agree on this, pubs have a hard time catching up.
hmmm, silence. It screams.
Really ?Quote:
Hmmmmm nope sorry, not the majority says it's nonsense
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Are you using the Times article or the Sun one ...all mosques have "radical" ideas .Quote:
half of UK mosks have radical idea's
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: errrr....within British law :oops: thats that bit in their scriptures isn't it , the bit about the law of the locals that you must follow:dizzy2:Quote:
61% want sharia courts (with the obligitory within brittish law),
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: just like the hardline radical mullahs you are big on noise and short on substance .Quote:
it's a global trend and in England it is pretty severe
Yes it does in most cases , so how are you ending up with 1+1= 56,457 ?Quote:
1+1=2
Yes promoting Americas interests in the middle-east worries me too :yes:Quote:
these guys worry me, they have a lot of influence here in the Netherlands.
Now that is interesting , very interesting :2thumbsup:Quote:
'This creates a self-perpetuating cycle of radicalization because the greater the political legitimacy of the Muslim Brotherhood, the more opportunity it and its proxy groups will have to influence and radicalize various European Muslim communities.'
Is he ?Quote:
Do not forget he is smarter then you
Well in this case obviously not , the greater political legitimacy of the Brotherhood arises from the fact that it is suppressed , while it is a poor oppressed organisation it can get its message across with lots of willing listeners , let them stand freely and see how much they screw up and lose support . Much like the poor old BNP , let them get office in their homelands and see how crap they really are .
Hey what a crazy idea , take away the "legitimacy" by letting them be legitimate :yes: Much better than Vidinos article eh perhaps he was drunk , was he out with the Murdoch journalists at the time ?
Have you checked under the bed ? :scared:Quote:
It's not integration gone wrong it's a coordinated attempt.
It is a combination of many things , including a few nutters getting together , the same sort of nutters who want a whites only paradise .
If you want to get upset over a few idiots feel free , but don't expect people to take your bogeymen stories seriously .
Yup, really, as surveys have shown.
Times.
In a democracy laws can change, for better or worse.
Well at least you used plural.
Just pure luck I guess.
Agreed, but why exactly. Think of how that could affect you for starters.
Glad you like it.
Yeah that is crazy, see point 3.
Yup, it's a combination of things, a combination of blind multiculturalism and leap of faith-attitude of the political elite, who in 4 years will be working at the UN or Shell and just have to stay on their feet for a limited time.
Little addition to point 3, laws don't need to change, see Brussels last week. A demonstration against the islamisation wasn't allowed by a scared mayor, would be participants went to court, but a dhimmi judge denied citizens their constitutional right to demonstrate. Some high-ranking politicians got arrested exercising their fundamental rights.
Ah yes , what did one of your compatriots say about that article.....Quote:
Times.
.....hmmmmmm.:oops:Quote:
The Times article claims to be based on a police report but fails to mention what sort of report. That's sloppy. The hacks obviously didn't do their own math on the mosques, the Deobandis and related radicals.
Whatever next , back stabbing industrialists and the Jewish conspiracy :dizzy2: Are you on the right forum ?Quote:
Yup, it's a combination of things, a combination of blind multiculturalism and leap of faith-attitude of the political elite, who in 4 years will be working at the UN or Shell and just have to stay on their feet for a limited time.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:Quote:
Little addition to point 3, laws don't need to change, see Brussels last week. A demonstration against the islamisation wasn't allowed by a scared mayor, would be participants went to court, but a dhimmi judge denied citizens their constitutional right to demonstrate. Some high-ranking politicians got arrested exercising their fundamental rights.
Well done Frag , your imagination really does run riot .
Did the main organiser of the march agree with the judges , did he complain that the march was being hijacked by far right extremists and neo-nazis , did the "high ranking" seperatist politicians that got arrested get arrested for breaking the law .
Were they officially not representing the party (it is election time after all and law breaking and neo-nazi association doesn't sit well with most voters) when they gathered along the route of the illegal gathering .
Is it their fundamental right to break the law or are they just as crazy as the nutters they complain about ?
Downplaying is part of the game.
enjoying your icecream?
Uhm, yeah good one :dizzy2:
Vlaams belang aren't nazi's, even took a stand against Wilders when he wanted to ban the quran. Go figure. Why would nazi's want to ban the quran, they should get along just fine, and they do. And did.
Yes. We know the Enlightened Opposers of Islam are the only ones who get banned from demonstrating. No lefties ever get that... :inquisitive:
Perhaps you could get Blood and Honour and 88 to remove the parties web page from the links section then , maybe they ain't Nazis but the Nazis think they are .Quote:
Vlaams belang aren't nazi's
Maybe thats why they go on the same rallies :idea2:
So you are acusing nazi's of thinking now? Bald communists, replace rich with jews and it's the same thing.
No Frag , replace Jews with Muslims and we get exactly your little fetish .
Oh common. Why don't you try finding some stuff that actually contradicts me and the dynamics that I describe, good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
What you mean this tripe ?Quote:
Why don't you try finding some stuff that actually contradicts me and the dynamics that I describe
Yeah you got groups , little groups that manage to alienate themselves from their so called supporters purely because when it comes down to it they are nuttier than a sack of almonds , and you worry that a bunch of fruitcakes that cannot even keep their own so called supporters supporting them are going to take over the world .Quote:
No scientist has ever dismissed group dynamics, and we got groups.
Frag there is nothing needed to contradict you .
Your own writing with its irrational fear and hatred stands alone in that department .
Just to blend in Godwins law, the Third Reich did have several regiments of Waffen SS Moslem troops.
I'll do a Tribes and let anyone interested do the 'leg work'.
I've just had a very long day, apologies fellas.
G'nite.
Yep , and Handschar gained the distinction of being the only SS division to mutiny , perhaps it was really only the Catholics in the division that did that , or maybe they didn't like France .Quote:
Just to blend in Godwins law, the Third Reich did have several regiments of Waffen SS Moslem troops.
Whereas Kuma had a lot of desertions on the way to Hungary and by the time they got there were disbanded into other units .
Wierd fellow that Himmler eh , apparently european Muslims are true Aryans .
Iran.
Wasn't the leader of the Muslim SS Division(s) an Iraqi or something like that? I watched a History Channel piece on Sadam Hussein and I am certain that the guy was the "Grand Mufti" or something like that and hailed from Iraq. I'll wiki it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Handschar_%281st_Croatian%29[/link]
Okay so it says under "recruitment" that the guy I am thinking of was the Mufti of Jerusalem and worked to recruit Muslims into the SS.
Uesegi , it depends what source you use .
There is a hell of a lot of crap written about it
According to some sources they slit the throats of 80,000 jews in Jugoslavia and Greece, others say 800,000 Serbs , one anti-islam site that is often posted here says they killed 5,000 Americans in Italy of all places , another says that their job was to guard the trains going to the death camps .
Crazy stuff out there on that internet thingy eh :laugh4:
I fail to see how "muslims in the SS" is a good argument against Islam.
God knows the christians and europeans were by FAR in the majority. Next I'll probably hear that Hitler was a muslim from Pakistan, or that the Holocaust was mainly done by muslims...
BTW Fragony, for someone accusing us lefties for apologizing for muslims, you sure are making a lot of apologies for europeans when they do something horrible...
And yet another vague reply that brings nothing to the table. Gave you article, gave you numbers, these speak for themselve. Why don't you feed me some positive events, or something that in general speaks against the article, and no that friendly guy where you buy your kebab don't count. Sigh snipers......... always waiting to make a shot but we will never know his position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Reminds me of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
And I work out with some muslims who don't seem to be terrorists but then I never really talked to them, the guy where I get my Currwurst is also muslim and nice and many middle-eastern or turkish looking girls here don't wear veils or headscarfs so I'd guess their parents aren't very extreme. :shrug:
Screw terrorism, it's a devided nation that worries me, and it's quikly going that way in Brittain it seems, or some forces are at least aiming to do so. It isn't nowhere as bad here in the Netherlands, but it as the same thing yanking their chain here as it is in Brittain.
edit, screw terrorists, in her case, gladly
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Our very own Ché
Yes you gave the article , and I gave the same stables common version of the article , both were crap alarmist tripe , the numbers you gave do speak for themselves , since the have the caveat that completely destroys what you are attempting to say they say .Quote:
And yet another vague reply that brings nothing to the table. Gave you article, gave you numbers, these speak for themselve.
You don't have to know my position , it takes very little effort to completely destoy yours though .Quote:
Sigh snipers......... always waiting to make a shot but we will never know his position.
Most of it you do yourself by claiming stories say something when they clearly don't , claim crime figures or statistics show something that they don't , claim legal cases show things when it is patently untrue .
On the subjects of Islam , immigration and intergration your fears seem to have interrupted the chain of rational thought .
Irrational thoughts due to their nature are easy to shoot down , not as an attempt to get you to change your mind , that would be futile , but simply to show your "thoughts" up for what they are .
Nice duel, gentlemen.
Now spell out how you might resolve the socio-political dimension to this.