Muslims Rally Worldwide to Show Their Hatred of Jews and Americans

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edit: heehee, "...he said as he started page 4." sheesh.

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Is it very hard to intentionally not get the point?

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Oh I get the point Frag .
Looky here ...The whole thing about Islamaphobia is that like racism it has no real rationality , you can make them look stupid (not that it needs much effort) but you cannot get them to think beyond their irrational fears and prejudice which grow into hatred .

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Oh I get the point Frag .
Looky here ...The whole thing about Islamaphobia is that like racism it has no real rationality , you can make them look stupid (not that it needs much effort) but you cannot get them to think beyond their irrational fears and prejudice which grow into hatred .

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True - but unlike other forms of racism - some of the states where this is happening are not attempting to educate their people that such a stance is indeed stupid, and in some states this demonstration behavior is actually encourage to provide a release value so that the people don't see the actual tryanny that their own governments bring on them.

Now I don't have a problem with a group of people demonstrating that Israel and America are bad - the the nature of thier protest using guns and children seems to me in essence to be very wrong.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Oh I get the point Frag .
Looky here ...The whole thing about Islamaphobia is that like racism it has no real rationality , you can make them look stupid (not that it needs much effort) but you cannot get them to think beyond their irrational fears and prejudice which grow into hatred .

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Traditional radical leftist stfullopops, always these funny little words, irrational...prejudice...hatred, the trias multicultitica. Now there is no hate in me, prejudice, well what can I say guilty your honor, do I really have to see the islamic world as equal? Who in their right mind would? But irrational? I think it is very rational to watch developments (at home, do in your desert whatever the hell you want, herd your wives love your goats I couldn't care less)closily because these developments are important to us. Ask a lefty why it is irrational and you get back cuz it uz stoopidLOLpwnd and he feels he's being rational for some reason. Watch it like you would watch the rise of any political movement that is in essence undemocratic, socialism, national socialism, the political islam.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

True - but unlike other forms of racism - some of the states where this is happening are not attempting to educate their people that such a stance is indeed stupid, and in some states this demonstration behavior is actually encourage to provide a release value so that the people don't see the actual tryanny that their own governments bring on them.

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You seem to be refering the the Two Minutes Hate. How right Orwell got that.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

Now I don't have a problem with a group of people demonstrating that Israel and America are bad - the the nature of thier protest using guns and children seems to me in essence to be very wrong.

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Fair enough. But is it the children and the guns or the children with the guns you find wrong?

It is rather sad to see the depths at which some people sink to defend this hate-mongering. :shame:

Surely this kind of thing would not be tolerated by the same people in Western culture.

Where does this reactionary defense of the hatreds found in islam come from? Is it blind multiculturism? ...rabid anti-americanism?... anti-jewish sentiments?

EDIT: Ya know what? I had this big post, and then I suddenly asked myself the question. It's my B-Day. why am I still here? No Posts for today.

Hmm. I wonder how Americans would react if the world suddenly decided that Native Americans needed a national state, so we decided to kick out all the non-Native Americans from New York, so the region could be used to establish an independant state. And then, once established, the rest of the world decides to help fund their military so they can stay on a level above us and render any attempt to retake it impetent. And then, the Native Americans decide they need a little extra room so they start demolishing neigborhoods near in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Pennsylvania so they can build a wall around themselves. Yep, we wouldn't be bitter at ALL over that, now wouldn't we?:inquisitive: Stop being such :daisy: hypocrites.

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It is rather sad to see the depths at which some people sink to defend this hate-mongering.

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Don't be so hard on yourself Panzer , in truth you havn't sunk any further than usual .

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Where does this reactionary defense of the hatreds found in islam come from?

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Ah someone doesn't understand .....

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Is it blind multiculturism? ...rabid anti-americanism?... anti-jewish sentiments?

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...really really doesn't understand .
Its simple really , think about it :idea2:
Reading what is written might be a good start .
Or how about try reading the first quote used in this post and see what is wrong with it .

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

It is rather sad to see the depths at which some people sink to defend this hate-mongering. :shame:

Surely this kind of thing would not be tolerated by the same people in Western culture.

Where does this reactionary defense of the hatreds found in islam come from? Is it blind multiculturism? ...rabid anti-americanism?... anti-jewish sentiments?

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It's not nearly so much a defence of the hatred as an understanding of it.

Wherever one looks, Asia, Europe, Africa, South America, and most certainly North America, there is corruption and violence, apathy and neglect, greed and unfairness. It knows no bounds save perhaps Antarctica, and that's only because it's too cold and very few people live there. (Give it time.) So to pick on any one race or one country or one religion and say, "Oh look at them, they're so evil, not like us at all!" is wrong to the point of lunacy. Whether it's us doing it to them or them to us.

Is it really worse that the Palestinians have their kids march in the streets with guns than to have the Canadian government and the Catholic church turn a blind eye to thousands of native children being raped and abused in residential schools and then fight in court so that none of the victims receive compensation?

Is it really worse that a Muslim suicide bomber blows himself up killing civilians than to have an American corporation push the government to incite a revolution that kills tens of thousands so American profits can be maintained?

Is it really worse that some Muslims teach their children to hate Jews and see them as only animals than to have Israelis drop bombs on civilians and leave hundreds dead and thousands wounded?

Is it really worse that Arabs march in the streets screaming "Death to the USA" than to have the US sell tens of billions of dollars of the most advanced and horrific weapons to anyone with the cash to buy them?

I can go on and on and on. The point is, we are all exactly the same bunch of you-know-whats. And it is unfair in the extreme to pick and chose amongst the evils of the world and say they are worse than us when, perhaps, we are so unlikely to ever look in the mirror and see the evil in ourselves.

Nice questions and all, but is it really our fault that someone is better at playing the game? You will probably find a worse place there you know... You probably think that you are being idealist but imho idealists sell their house and go to africa to play football with the kids.

Congrats on 7000 posts Tribesman! :birthday2:

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Originally Posted by Fragony

Nice questions and all, but is it really our fault that someone is better at playing the game? You will probably find a worse place there you know... You probably think that you are being idealist but imho idealists sell their house and go to africa to play football with the kids.

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Are you saying they don't have a right to play the game because you think we're better at it? I would very much like to hear you expand on this.

As for calling me an idealist, thank you. That puts me in the company of great men indeed. :bow:

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Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Where does this reactionary defense of the hatreds found in islam come from? Is it blind multiculturism? ...rabid anti-americanism?... anti-jewish sentiments?

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Perhaps we don't see them as a threat, and therefore don't really care about what they do...?

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Originally Posted by HoreTore

Uhm, no, that would be wrong.

For example, Israel kills a lot more people than their enemies do. In the lebanon war, around 1000 lebanese civillians were killed, as opposed to 44 israeli citizens killed.

It's all very logical though; you're bound to kill more people when you launch air strikes as a way of assassination than you will when you ignite a homemade bomb.

And in Iraq, the estimates range from 80.000 to around a half a million dead. That's at least 10 times all the deaths of every attack on US embassies and 911.

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80,000 to a half mill dead? by US?.....i dont think so. Remember that it was the insurgents who kill more of their own then us, and dont forget that israel mostly and successfuly targets the target not the innocent, and besides that was one example used in your favor.

Terrorists consider a whole peoples or nation to be an enemy not their army, while other countries do that too, terrorists take it to a whole new level by delibritly (SP?) targeting civs and targets towns instead of military sites.

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The term "useful idiots" comes to mind for some reason as I read the many reponses.

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The term "useful idiots" comes to mind for some reason as I read the many reponses.

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Awww come on Dave , just because some people are being scared of the Muslims it doesn't make them all that useful really .

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Originally Posted by Beirut

It's not nearly so much a defence of the hatred as an understanding of it.

Wherever one looks, Asia, Europe, Africa, South America, and most certainly North America, there is corruption and violence, apathy and neglect, greed and unfairness. It knows no bounds save perhaps Antarctica, and that's only because it's too cold and very few people live there. (Give it time.) So to pick on any one race or one country or one religion and say, "Oh look at them, they're so evil, not like us at all!" is wrong to the point of lunacy. Whether it's us doing it to them or them to us.

Is it really worse that the Palestinians have their kids march in the streets with guns than to have the Canadian government and the Catholic church turn a blind eye to thousands of native children being raped and abused in residential schools and then fight in court so that none of the victims receive compensation?

Is it really worse that a Muslim suicide bomber blows himself up killing civilians than to have an American corporation push the government to incite a revolution that kills tens of thousands so American profits can be maintained?

Is it really worse that some Muslims teach their children to hate Jews and see them as only animals than to have Israelis drop bombs on civilians and leave hundreds dead and thousands wounded?

Is it really worse that Arabs march in the streets screaming "Death to the USA" than to have the US sell tens of billions of dollars of the most advanced and horrific weapons to anyone with the cash to buy them?

I can go on and on and on. The point is, we are all exactly the same bunch of you-know-whats. And it is unfair in the extreme to pick and chose amongst the evils of the world and say they are worse than us when, perhaps, we are so unlikely to ever look in the mirror and see the evil in ourselves.

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Very good post! Until man can see himself for what he really is, then there is no hope of change and certainly not peace. It's an in-built fault in humanity to deflect attention from ones own faults by directing attention to anothers faults, so that others cannot see you for who you truely are. Look at children who squabble and fight, when caught out by an adult the first thing they do is try to aportion blame on the other to try to justify their own actions.

I guess what i'm trying to say is it's about time the bloody nations and states of the world, grew up and started taking responsibility for what they do wrong and trying to reconcile themselves to the rest.

Is it going to happen? Not before there is some terrible terrible consequences first.


Mega

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Awww come on Dave , just because some people are being scared of the Muslims it doesn't make them all that useful really .

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Now I know I have not been indirectly called a "useful idiot" because of my careful thought out posts.

And tribes, has Eire been under terrorist attacks and muslim death threats lately??

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

80,000 to a half mill dead? by US?.....i dont think so.

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Half a million is way out, but I don't think estimating forty to sixty thousand is unreasonable. Here's a small breakdown:

IBC Project (which is often criticized for estimating on the low end) states:

7,299 civilians killed at the end of the major combat phase of 2003, mostly by American air and ground forces.

Approximately 25000 killed by 2005. Criminals and insurgents were responsible for approximately 36-46% of these deaths, with Coalition soldiers responsible for the rest. American forces were responsible for 98.5% of Coalition casualties.

53% of these deaths were explosives. You say "oh, of course, car bombs were responsible for most of those". You'd be wrong. Approximately 65% of these were caused by American air strikes.

42500 civilians were reported as wounded, some of whom went on to die after this report (remember, it only goes up to 2005). A minimum of 50% of these injuries were caused by American forces, and it is likely more, as Coalition weapons were involved in almost 70% of injuries.

Link to the report. There are more reports by this group for more recent years.

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Coalition-caused deaths.
Coalition forces, principally US as well as some UK, were identified to have killed at least 536 Iraqi civilians in year four (excluding a major incident in Najaf in January which is still under investigation by IBC). This compares with 370 in year three. If 536 seems insignificant in light of the overall total, consider for a moment what it would mean if in your country there were, on average, three incidents a week in which a foreign army killed civilians, including the killing of a 5-yr-old girl and entire families with their children. Would this army be a stabilising influence?

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Remember no personal attacks or the thread gets locked.

PS happy birthday Wakizashi.

2,671 total for anti occupy and terrorists.

And remember, it only goes up to 2005, now with this "civil war" in there killing by insurgent groups must've gone up tremendously.

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Originally Posted by kamikhaan

Hmm. I wonder how Americans would react if the world suddenly decided that Native Americans needed a national state, so we decided to kick out all the non-Native Americans from New York, so the region could be used to establish an independant state. And then, once established, the rest of the world decides to help fund their military so they can stay on a level above us and render any attempt to retake it impetent. And then, the Native Americans decide they need a little extra room so they start demolishing neigborhoods near in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, and Pennsylvania so they can build a wall around themselves. Yep, we wouldn't be bitter at ALL over that, now wouldn't we?:inquisitive: Stop being such :daisy: hypocrites.

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A terrible analogy. The lands given to Israel were taken from the losers of WWI - namely Turkey. The conflict since then has been started and inflamed, as it is now in Iran, by leaders looking for a scapegoat.

Apologizing for these actions is just being a tool for the oppressive regimes in Iran, and other countries in the mideast.

As for comparisons on how many have been killed on each 'side'; one would do well to remember that the terrorists have killed as many as they possibly could try to.

CR

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Originally Posted by K COSSACK

And remember, it only goes up to 2005, now with this "civil war" in there killing by insurgent groups must've gone up tremendously.

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As have killings by American soldiers. I'll try to find the newer report.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

As have killings by American soldiers. I'll try to find the newer report.

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hmm...I'll doubt that if they go up we go up

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

...remember that the terrorists have killed as many as they possibly could try to.

CR

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As opposed to "the civilised folk" who have killed as many as they wanted to.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

A terrible analogy. The lands given to Israel were taken from the losers of WWI - namely Turkey. The conflict since then has been started and inflamed, as it is now in Iran, by leaders looking for a scapegoat.

Apologizing for these actions is just being a tool for the oppressive regimes in Iran, and other countries in the mideast.

As for comparisons on how many have been killed on each 'side'; one would do well to remember that the terrorists have killed as many as they possibly could try to.

CR

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A terrible comback, CR. First of all, I am NOT apologizing for the actions of terrorists and oppressors. It is YOU who are just being a tool for blatant racism and bigotry. I am pointing out how the west were the ones who aggravated the situation in the first place, by agreeing on Balfour behind the backs of Arabs. Tell me, CR, who was the scapegoat muslims were looking for between 1921 and 1947? Nobody. It wasn't until the UN basically plopped down a Jewish government into the area, overruling the few Arabic nations within the UN, who in the past had sacraficed millions of lives to help the west against the Ottomans, that there was major conflict between the Jews and Muslims in the area. And since going to war with the UN wasn't really an option, they took the alternative, only to find out that the west was giving Isreal advanced weaponry and other technology to make it nigh impossible to defeat them.

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Originally Posted by {BHC}KingWarman888

I always hear Muslims are so peacefull..... Mabye a Few are, but this leave me with the conclusion that they are warlike culture, period.

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The extremists get the press, the moderates never do. Why? The press wants stories and a tolerant Muslim is old news.
Isn't this like someone stereotyping all Christians because some ignorant dumbasses say "God hates gays"?
"Scared of the Muslims"? Its either that or we care about human life, however, I think the former is more accurate, I apologize for doubting you, Tribes.

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Originally Posted by IrishArmenian

The extremists get the press, the moderates never do. Why? The press wants stories and a tolerant Muslim is old news.
Isn't this like someone stereotyping all Christians because some ignorant dumbasses say "God hates gays"?

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Pretty much. A lot of people like to forget that their are actually one billion Muslims out there, most of which actually moderate. But like you said, that never gets press, so on with the show...