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Man, doy you have some issues? Please don't take me too serious or insulting but there's no need to make up for anything, you sound like you have problems with your self-esteem. Don't define yourself by how many women you can get...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinan
There are more important things about you than how many bunnies you nail per day on average, no need to replace the cigarettes with women. ~;)
Give the man a break hes in the zone. Besides, it's not about how many you get but about how many you dont ~;p
How many time do I have to repeat this: it's about what you get (multiplied by number of times, of course :laugh4: ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Nice guys finish last. It's a fact. The question you have to ask yourself is whether you would rather have the sportsman of the year award or whether you should play by Italian rules and get a shot at the world cup.
I don't have much of a choice. I'm a nice guy and no matter how hard I try I can't change that about myself.
PS: Adrian is correct.
Combined Arms. We all have different tactics, weapons at our disposal and height advantages. :laugh4:
As long as we all have different strategies at least some of us will get to add the next generation of TW players.
If dating was an FPS. Sinan would be the gatling weilding heavy weapons dude laying down lots of cover fire, penetrating lots of enemies and blooding quite a few... and magically avoiding thealtar er shotgun wedding erreturn fire.
The nice guy is the sniper who goes for one or two... he just has to remember to stay up with the pack...
Hahahahah!!! That's funny ! Next time we're out to pick up some babes, you're on my fireteam Pape ! Lots to say about nice guys, because I AM A NICE GUY ! hope I get time tomorrow... if I finish my other 2 projects.
Good point about being the nice guy. By showing that you had a male friend and that you could take your eyes off her you come across as more socially nice guy and not purely after her body. You also proved to her that you had what it takes to go elsewhere and that the firesale was on and the goods were leaving unless she made a positive move. A bit of competition motivates women just as it does men.
So Sinan is Duke Nukem now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
PS: this analogy does not bode well for me seeing as I'm a horrible sniper.
Dead on Pape. The essential was to display my qualities so she sees them, otherwise she'd never know. I was not after her body alone, is it really like that... No, not for me. I'm always after something more. I always treat the woman with respect, unless she explicitly shows that she wants me to treat her otherwise. Some people would be surprised what a turn on it is for some women to be treated like a slag, in the bedroom. Naturally this applies only to the bedroom. The physical aspect is important for me though, as are all things about a woman. It's all important, everything. She's a great girl, am still in touch with her, and we'll surely be friends for a long time.
I should add that there's nothing I want more than to love a woman genuinely, and to have her love me genuinely, to have a happy family. I almost got married twice, but I chose out of love. It's important for me to spread and discover otherwise I shall never know what is really out there, I'll never be able to make an informed and intelligent choice. I'll just chose out of love, but this hasn't worked for me. My choices in love have been blind and I've chosen women who I would not have chosen was I not intoxicated with their love.
My grandfather never saw the face of the woman he married until wedding night, in privacy. When he was asked by my grandmother's father if he wishes to see the girl, my grandfather said no. Everyone was stunned, and asked why?. He declined to answer. A while ago, I asked him after lunch, why he did not want to see her (the story is all around the family and everyone guesses to the correct answer). He finally told me. He answered that he did not want to see her because he would then judge her on her body and her looks, and this would be unfair to her. To make it clear, he said he won't see the girl but he will marry her, because he wants it to be fair on her. She would be hurt if he said no after seeing her, because he didn't consider her pleasurable enough physically. Hence he married her without even seeing her face. This is an act of empathy which I've never seen equalled, in my lifetime, yet. There is more to tell on this story though.
I respect that, and I never disrespect a woman. I love women, and while I'm not committed to one, I consider it a pleasure, a privilige and pure joy to be in the company of many women. I always treat her as a person, and she always feels better after the encounter, I always give of myself. There is no question about the fact that I lead. I have yet to meet a real alpha female, a female that can lead me as I lead her, in the relationship. I long to meet her, but I've not really met one who fits the bill, in my eyes. Most women cannot lead me, I overpower them and the sexuality of the relationship is clearly established. Most men make the mistake of being too easy for their women, this is fine for some, but not for me anymore. I've made that mistake as a VERY nice guy. I now establish my natural skill at leadership right from the start, mostly she is impressed with this. Most women love it when a man takes charge, this is completely subjective and is completely hardwired. They like men who are firm (but not suffocating or domineering). If they run you over they have no respect for you. If we both want to see each other again and again, that's fine. If we don't that's fine. Since I am leading I do have final say, and this I reserve as the male who won her !. She can contest and she'll have to win me over, I am a listener and I listen intently. I want to understand and if she can make me believe something, I'm delighted. As the male I take the responsibility of observing the relationship, and if it has to end I always take the responsibility of ending it, on the best possible terms. I've not had any trouble with this. In fact most women will greatly respect that you will make the move to set them free, just as they greatly respect the initiative you undertook to win them. Note also that I'm mostly European and since an early age I realised the ease of sex, it's no big deal, unlike in other cultures where it's sin, and a big deal etc. So in my culture sex between consenting adults is no big deal at all. I do not think it is disrespectful to have many women. As men are naturally programmed to spread, so are women naturally programmed to seek the best mate, and usually they are. They'd rather be in bed with a guy who's hot for them than be sitting in front of the television watching reruns of friends, and eating a tub of ice cream. They want it as much as we do, and much more.
Still haven't said all I want to about nice guys (it's all positive don't worry), feel like I could write a book but I have to sleep now!
Curfew.... DISCIPLINE !!!
0, which isn't bad considering I'm barely within high school.
The only thing that gets my goat is that all the girls that I like are 'friends' and I feel the entirely opposite about the situation.
Damn hormones.
Talk to theQuote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
handpredators, turns out I am rather avarage which is quite discomforting.
I'm not. I always saw little appeal in picking up random chicks in a bar, and sex really isn't *that* important to me, so I kept a low profile throughout most of my younger years, and I'm getting married ...
I might have a couple of regrets, girls I wish I had pursued, but even including those, the girls I was actually interested in (more than physically) is lower than 10.
As for the implied question whether gamers got game: I know a couple of non-gamers who I'm pretty sure have had 0 partners (in their mid-20s), I also know some gamers who are very successful with the opposite sex.
The most active guy I know/knew averaged at least one girl a week in his prime, I'm pretty sure he'd break the 300 if he participated, he's 22 now.
For the younger members (or those easily influenced) I'd just like to say that it's not a competition, you don't HAVE to sleep with hundreds of women to prove your manhood. Like Fragony said : Just have fun. Live your own life.
Few things I'd like to add...
There's no real competition for who "scored" most.
There is competition in a wider sense. The world is all about competition. As such the more you compete for women (in a good way), the more experience you gain in how to court women, the more likely you are to meet one that you want to stay with, the more likely you are to be able to satisfy the demands of your relationship. Simple stats, plus increased relationship experience work in your favor, not against.
A lot of guys out there are very much competing, but this is something only a person who's been in the field would know. A lot of guys are most definetly competing to get girls, but also competing for money, fame, wealth, better jobs, power etc. Women are doing exactly the same, they compete for men as well, perhaps much more fiercely than men compete for women. Competition is everywhere, in everything. I'm not saying I support this state of affairs, but being realistic it's there.
I would add also to the earlier line; Just have fun, live your own life, and let others live theirs.
CONGRATS Doc ! Wish you a successful and happy marriage !
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So what you want to do is have all or most of those girls who are "friends" as "girlfriends" ? or just one ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
Barely within high school, man I don't even remember when that was... or how old I was.
I do remember my first girl actually had to strip, and basically she lead me on all the way to get me to actually do the deed. FUN timezzzzz !!! I still make em beg though. ;P (HAHAHHAHA !!!)
You should see the dog food in the local store. I'm not desperate, yet. :laugh4:
Sinan is starting to scare me, from calmness itselve to the deus sex machina, we got a manic depression going on?? :idea2:
Manic depression?. HAHAHA! I wish... No rest for the wicked !
Well, yes? Who can so no to too much companionship?Quote:
So what you want to do is have all or most of those girls who are "friends" as "girlfriends" ? or just one ?
Indeed. Well the short answer as to how to make them all girlfriends is to treat them like they are, and they will be.
This is a funny video. I totally respect those guys for being so bold, and they dared, but this is really no game at all. Very amateur but hey they got the chicks! Check the first guy out, LOL! she's like take me home. He's like... oh oh ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpSgKQh-vlw&NR=1
My critique:
1st guy:
- Good energy, good vibe, poor voice though and bad acting skills.
- BAD you guys are hot opener, TYPICAL!, Good "beach walks" stack, bad bad horrendous terrible stalker 3rd line. LUCKY she found it funny.
- GREAT neg.
- Good HONEST emotion when obstacle arrives, bit sour when he asks for drinks, bad vibe.
- Loses frame right here, girl takes control and pushes the drink.
- Rated R stuff is hot! Insta F-Close ! (sex on sight) He dunit !
- She is SO HOT for him, she's buying!
- From here on it's crap, total chump emerges. She's TOTALLY like OMG pleeeezzzz take me home !! what the hell baby??? TERRIBLE!
2nd guy:
- High energy, in control.
- BRILLIANT starting kino (physical escalation, touching). VERY Mediterranean, natural.
- Very strong neg (reduce female's social value) which is kind of insulting, mediocre delivery. BUT it works.
- Good alpha behaviour, doesn't care and doesn't let her get frame.
- Pushes into totally typical Italian, Demonstration of High Value (DHV)/Flirt line. Works.
- Excellent eye contact, excellent emotion control, phases into sex mode. Very well done.
- LMFAO! at the theatrics LMFAO !!! Lame in my book, but I like the frustration and emotional projection, stays funny... but it works.
- Handles obstacle VERY well, and gets social proof off her. LOL!
- Overall better than the 1st guy but this ain't solid game, VERY corny lines, very standard, nothing big in my very n00b opinion.
They both did well enough though, they got the girls ! They were good enough, they were fun. That's the spirit.
Game over !.
I don't get how women find degradation funny, or attractive. Explain?
I'm not sure what you mean by degradation. Are you referring to the negs in the video ?
1st guy: "you're the dangerous one ?" 2nd guy: "you're like one of the ugliest girls in the club"
The 2nd guys negative comments "ugliest girl in the club". I'd compliment her, not say something like that.
https://img527.imageshack.us/img527/...mresizeix8.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
"I'm looking for some alien toilet to park my bricks, who's first?"
If that's your game they will know, called teasing. If they know you are interested anything will do, that is all really, being interested without being pushy. You will always get away with being interested without any lose of face(which is ultimatily the biggest hindrance, we all know it), they love being pushed around a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
That comment could have easily blown up in his face. It was a very arrogant comment, but it worked. You should not follow his example, that could have been very bad, she cold have slapped him, she could have got guys to beat him up. But it worked because the guy just carried on and was confident. This is something he did very well, you must never hang on the neg, just say it and carry on talking as if it's nothing. Let her feel the hit and then take the pressure off. The neg by the 1st guy "you're the dangerous one" is much more apt, and absolutely perfect. Dead on target, good shot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Murat
Why did it work ?
Negging as a bait tacticBeautiful women are used to guys hitting on them. The more beautiful a woman is the more compliments she receives. The older she grows the more used to guys hitting on her she is. The power of compliments decreases each time you give one. The beautiful woman stops feeling anything because she is complemented every single day, all the time. She no longer blushes, smiles or cares (genuinely). She has an abundance of admirers and potential sex partners to choose from. Her brain no longer produces dopamine (a chemical which is part of the attraction process, among other things) when someone compliments her. Her emotions no longer respond to compliments as easily, she becomes desensitised.
Neg theory is a social dynamics theory which works to reduce the social value of the woman. A beautiful woman automatically has high social value. She can talk to anyone, every man wants to bed her, everyone wants her in their social circle, simply because of her looks. Beautiful women are proven to have easier social lives than ugly women. Everyone gives them attention whenever they want it.
A neg is an underhand remark, a playful and teasing non insulting comment, which is used to reduce the social value of the beautiful or exceptionally beautiful female. The neg must not be delivered as an insult, the objective is not to insult her, or degrade her. The objective is to make her feel like she is nothing special. To make known that you are a strong male and are not intoxicated or cowered by her sexual power. This triggers the attraction process, if the neg is delivered correctly. A perfect neg will release andrenaline into her blood as well. She will start getting physically primed, for action. Dopamine flows into the bloodstream and she is aroused, because she now needs to prop her self up. She's aroused because you poke her. When you deny her sexual power, she gets worked up. She needs to get her sexual power back. Now you continue the attraction process, because she is now emotionally and physically involved with you.
A neg simultaneously makes the male seem more attractive to the female, because the male shows he does not care how sexy she is. She feels the need to make him feel attracted to her. This is because the beautiful or exceptionally beautiful female is expecting male attention and when she does not get it, she craves it, and wants it more. The male shows her that he is used to women of beauty. In showing her this he triggers attraction for him because a fundamental attraction trigger for females is Preselection (look at my post on page 2 IIRC). The female understands that this male is higher value than other males (a better mate) because he does not, like others, care for her sexual power. She begins to want him and starts to feel attraction for him.
The following are good examples of negs:
Effective negs are absolutely DEVASTATING on beautiful and exceptionally beautiful females. It is very important to deliver well otherwise it can come off as a flirt line, or an insult, depending on how you deliver. Once you have had sex and she has been a good lover, or once she has shown a very high level of interest in you, you can compliment her. Only compliment her when she really works to earn the compliment. Only compliment her when your status in her eyes in highly elevated, only when a compliment coming from you will mean something very special to her. Otherwise she will lose attraction for you. Females crave those males that are rare. Males who compliment her are common. It also depends on her self esteem and self image, if she's exceptionally beautiful but does not feel that about herself, you should not neg her. You must judge from female to female, on the spot, all are individuals and each is different from the other.Quote:
YOU: "I don't think we should get to know each other."
HER: "Why not?"
YOU: "I think you are just too much of a nice girl for me."
If she says something even slightly rude you say, "You don't get out much do you?"
If she interrupts you, say, "Hello, I'm talking, geez" or, "Excuse me... may I finish my sentence first?" You then say to others in the group, "Is she always like that?"
If you are asking a question to two women and she answers you say, "I didn't ask you, silly."
If you pull out your photos to show around, first show them to the obstacle. When the target tries to see them, say, "Excuse me! I'm showing her the pictures not you. Wait your turn geez."
If a girl kisses you on the cheek and goes to kiss your other cheek, tell her, "Only one ... don't be greedy."
"That's a nice hairstyle ... it that your real hair?" Smile and look at her to show her you are sincerely being funny and not insulting.
HER: "Oh, I'm a model."
YOU: "What, like a hand model or something?"
"Ewww, your palms are sweaty ... ewwww!!!!! Where have your hands been? No, don't tell me, I do not want to know!"
"You've got something in your ear."
"I think your hair would look better [up/down]."
"Where's your off-button?"
"Those are nice boots, I know a girl who has the same ones."
"I love your jacket. Did you just get back from Alaska ?"
A good strategy has many aspects. Negging to bait arousal and spark attraction is only one aspect of a complete strategy.
Hope that helps !
Damn Sinian! I guess us snipers spend too much time in the shadows. Mind you it's not easy being Solid Snake.
The theory is solid and fairly well known; the practice takes, practice.
LOL Dude !. I'm a frekin sniper too ! I'm the VERY nice guy snipaaaahhhh !!!!
Calibration is important, to be able to deliver so that it has the desired impact without side effects. During conversation (initial stages) deliver the neg, don't wait for any response, carry on talking as if it's nothing. This is very important, because another attraction trigger is NON NEEDINESS. This is a biggie. You need to always appear nonchalant (while she is not yet attracted to you, and sometimes beyond), appear non needy. Ideally BE NON NEEDY. You must never wait for a response, just imagine you're saying "Good Evening" "May I have a beer please." No interuption between neg and stacking (continuing the conversation). If you stop and wait for a response, it shows you are actually looking for a response, in female emotion this means => NEEDINESS! big red flag!
The impact of the neg is usually instantly apparent in her body language, so the male can determine what impact it has had. A female has a natural defence mechanism more powerful, in some ways, than the males. She is not strong enough physically to combat a a hunting male, as a male is perfectly capable of doing. She has a greater instinct to protect herself as she will bear offspring, which she must nurture from her breast. She most often has wider peripheral vision than the male, to make it easier for her to spot predators. Why say all this ? Because when a male appoaches her, her natural instinct kicks in, to judge if the incoming male is a threat to her. Remember only a few thousand years ago she would have to make this decision in a split second. When you deliver the neg correctly, it lowers her shield (somewhat). You can see changes in the female's body language. A good shot will mean she will display the new openess in her body language. She will look at herself (to make sure she looks good), she will touch or groom her hair (to look better), better still she will start touching herself, her neck, or even better still she will touch or brush her breasts.
Neg theory works independently but it should be used as part of an array of seductive techniques.
I'm not saying anything new here. if you watch Humphrey Bogart in Casablanca, it's an old black and white film from forever ago. I don't even remember the year. All this is in there. If you watch any movie with males that females like, all this is in there. They always hold their ground, unless blatantly wrong. The "Neg Theory" itself in that form was, I believe, pioneered by a guy called Eric Marko something, popularly known as Mystery. He was a petty stage magician, who is a great success with women.
Snipers are infiltrators (I mean this in a good way), and proper seduction is in a way akin to infiltration. Into her mind, understanding her. Into her emotions, feeling what she feels. Knowing what she is thinking and feeling, providing what she wants, at the right time. As males it is up to us to initiate, to take the shot. The better prepared and trained we are the more successful we will be.
I only make this sniper reference because you guys were saying it, so I try to explain it in those terms. No aggressive intent.
Ice, that's a cool pic !
Excellent. Very good read !
Damm I wonder if that is how they got the term number "close" or F- Close, Kiss-Close. Wow, this is great dude. Thanks for that.
I'm no Romeo though, I don't sell my girls ;P
Mystery Method on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Method
Remember that what he says in that seduction model is nothing new, as proved by Vlad's links, and my earlier observations. It's been known to males who took the trouble to figure women out, for centuries.
(I think I'm posting too much. oh well, on to 3,000)
That doesn't take into account cultural factors.