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Originally Posted by Tom0

Relocating to greek massilla. Sounds good. Possibly when you have consolidated yourself you can aim to take all greek settlements on the map?

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I don't plan to go back to Greece Proper or go near any of the initial settlements in a long while-- probably not ever, if I don't have to.

It would actually have been somewhat easier to settle down in Spain-- Carthago Nova, for instance, since the population and population growth rates are so much better. Plus, I would only have to fight the Spanish, a little bit of Carthage and a little bit of Gaul. As it is now, I am the focus of the military attentions of Gaul, Spain, the Julii and to a lesser extent the Germans. Still, Because Massilia is supposed to be Greek, in the interests of roleplaying I decided on that place. I thought I would only have to take on mostly Gaul. :sweatdrop:

It has proved to be a most challenging game-- the Julii stack sitting in Etruria that I previously mentioned took a ship to Sardinia and stormed Caralis, taking me by surprise. But it was just as well-- I could never have taken it on anyway. In retaliation, I took Segesta. My ships spotted the bulk of the Julii army (with, as usual, four to five family members) boarding a single bireme. My navies have been chasing it around the western Mediterranean for a year. Hopefully I'll be able to sink the now-leaking bireme and the whole bloody army with it. I'm also praying fervently to Fortuna and Poseidon that they don't land on Gaul, because if they do, I'm pretty much screwed.

The Germans, too, have sent a half-stack full of very ahistorical spear phalanx barbarians, who, due to their large number, are proving to be a -beep- to defeat. I'm beating back Gauls, Spanish, Germans and the Julii every turn, but my finances aren't holding too well, I think. Every time I decide that the treasury is stable and I could invest on military infrastructure, it does a dip that has been scrambling for economic buildings. And since every one of my settlements borders an enemy region, I can't specialise.

And another thing I've rediscovered about the Greeks -- play all your battles. The auto-calc is not kind to phalangites.

playing as julii (as I think I said earlier)

I finally got the civil war...

AFTER the Brutii actually have an effective force. At the moment, I was rebelled out of numantia, vicus gothi, that one right at the top and currently fighting thrace. oh, and samobriva was mine, until the britons decided, damn, let's take it back.

I don't have any screenshots,but my best campaign was definitely my most recently played with the Seleucids. I built some small defensive armies to cut off choke points and prevent my neighbors from attacking my cities (not that they didn't try,but an alliance with Egypt that held for an unbelievable 15 years helped),then set my coastal cities to continuously pump out ships while Damascus,Seleucia,and a few bribed rebel cities built up more defensive armies. Fast forward from 255 (I think) to about 210 with everything west of the Aegean under my banner. Mind you,my settlements have been continuously producing either ships or armies during this time,and by the time my starting cities had reached Huge level,I was rolling in over 100,000 denarii per turn with my lowest income cities pulling in around 8,000 each give or take,and enough ships sailing the Mediterranean to blockade every unfriendly port within and three full stacks left over to block Gibralter.

Believe it or not,that's my best campaign,and I haven't been able to duplicate it since.

Nice campaign, ou could use smackus maximus tacics with ease with that navy!

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Originally Posted by Quirinus

The auto-calc is not kind to phalangites.

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Actually you have to a have some strategy when autocalcing with hoplites. BE ON THE DEFENSIVE. As carthage I've been defeated in odds 4:1 in my favor by hoplites when I'm attacking. The hoplites are a defensive unit, and yeild best results when doing so.:rtwyes:

Isn't that due to the fact that the Carthagenian units capable of phalanx are elite troops in the first place though? I'm talking about relatively low-level hoplites like the militia hoplites or the Greek hoplites. The auto-calc forces them to fight in the melee i.e. without the spears. It's especially pronounced in lower-quality hoplites because the phalanx can hold off a lot more troops than without.

Whereas elite phalangites like Spartans or the Sacred Band are formidable fighters in their own right, even without the phalanx.

My most recent campaign is as Macedon. Fun fun fun. The greeks sat an army on the border of Larissa so I sat a betterone next to them. I got a 'transgression' warning so I decided that war was iminent. For a few turns I made peace with Thrace who were preoccupying Dacia and secured my economy. I weakend sparta with a spy who provoked riots and weakened the spartans. The Greeks finally attacked my army near Larissa (pah they were no match for my very long spears :P) This put them on the defensive and I besieged Sparta, which had walls :@.

They sallied and i had them spartans running for cover (walls AND running spartans:@) Sparta was mine. I am currently besieging Thermon and Athens (the latter is about to fall without a fight). The brutii are sending small stacks probably just scouting. I will hopfully have unified greece by the time they has mustered a force from home.

Playing as the Gauls, I annihilated the Julii early on, while being attacked by Spain, Carthage and Britannia, then I went for Rome. (which I never got. I'd got bored) On my way, my army was attacked by a full stack of SPQR. The battlefield was with a river running through it, SPQR on one side, Gaul on the other. SPQR rushed across the river, (which I was expecting) and my army (which was stretched across the bank) just folded in on them. Cavalry, Warbands. Result? Fleeing SPQR and a site of Famous battle in Rome. Then led to the failed seiging of rome wherein my general leading the famous battle was killed.

Damn...

I havent' posted a campaign in a while. So I thought I would.
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I got the chance for power message alittle while ago. I'm debating on whether or not I wanna take Rome now or wait for the Brutii to get outlawed.
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Right now I got three armies on the border of latium. One army In northern Italy near Patavium. One army in northern Africa near Thapsus. A half stack in Gaul and a half stack in Brittania. I have Gaul as protectorate separating me from the Brutii up north. Not quite sure if I should initiate the civil war or wait for the Brutii to get outlawed and possibly try to join their side.
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This is just kinda weird. Not sure why they are all gathering right there. The Scipii have been acting strange the whole campaign. After they took Sicily they went straight for Greece. Forcing me to take out Carthage. Now they're expanding in to asia.

The Scipii have problems. They should be in one/two stacks fighting the Seleucids!

Interesting campaign there Telys. Scpii expansion is fairly extraordinary since you didn't manipulate it yourself.

The mass Scipii unit gathering in that area of Greece seems fairly odd. I'm willing to blame pathfinding for the issue - it sometimes does generate fairly strange arrangements. Often these formation are quite interesting to watch and/or interfere with to see how/if they react.

~:)

I think you should wait for the Brutii to get outlawed-- simply because you seem to have a fairly unusual campaign up till this point, and initiating the civil war yourself would seem pretty standard, almost a letdown.


Now a map update from my exiled Greeks based in Massilia. The pic on the left is 260 BC, the one on the right 250 BC.
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Zoomed in regional map:
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Alright. I took the advice given and decided to wait. Then senate hates me, but not as much as they hate the brutii. Both the brutii and scipii have the option to take on rome now, I think. I may be outlawed soon. I've been getting threatning messages from the senate.
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I have the seleucids as a protectorate. They were allied with everyone not roman. So everything is kinda at a stand still right now.

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The scipii finally consolidated that mass of units they had in greece. It made quite a few armies.


These last pictures are just things I haven't seen before. That rebel diplomat in the second picture asked me for a ceasefire. So I believe as of now I am at war with nobody. The one with the yubtseb elephants, I just like the description "the god of shiny things that man does not need but desires anyway'.
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Yes, Yutseb Elephants do have a fairly comical description. It probably would be advisable to take that rebel town with some skirmishers or with archers. This would allow you to massacre the elephants/send them amock through enemy lines. Yutsebs are painfully powerful.

Rebel diplomats make an odd appearance in the later stage of the game. These diplomats were diplomats of now destroyed factions which automatically turn rebel when their last city was taken/their last family member was killed. Although they can barter with you, you can't organise treaties with them, making diplomacy a little one sided. I usually either refuse everything they say or assassinate them before they actually get round to talking to me. Any treaty you do make with them won't last long - the moment a settlement rebels to them (which is common at the stage) war is automatically declared.

On another note, your campaign seems to be progressing quite well. It probably would be advisable to keep the Selucids as a buffer against the Scipii, although up North you may have to develop a few forces/diplomats to guard/bribe troops away from the border.

~:)

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Originally Posted by Telys

Alright. I took the advice given and decided to wait. Then senate hates me, but not as much as they hate the brutii. Both the brutii and scipii have the option to take on rome now, I think. I may be outlawed soon. I've been getting threatning messages from the senate.

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But you have four Senate shields..... that's pretty acceptable, right? It's far more likely that the Brutii gets outlawed first.

By the way, since the Brutii have more territories than you do, why are you so popular with the people while the Brutii are not so?

Ok. I got a little bored waiting for the civil war and decided to try and destroy numidia with assassins. It didn't work. I did initiate a war though. So I took Dimmidi. Then went to war with the seleucids again, due to senate missions. So the seleucids and numidia are dead. The only factions left are the other roman houses, the senate, parthia (whom no one is at war with), and gaul (who is still my protectorate). The senate has stopped giving me missions, due to the fact that there is no enemy settlements near my borders. Half my settlements have built everything they can. The other half I try to keep as many buildings as it will allow qued at all times. I'm beginning to have a lot of money and nothing to do with it. I'm trying to just recruit a ridiculously large army to try and curb my income, but I think that might take a while.
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I'm not sure why the civil war hasn't started yet. The brutii have had no popularity with the senate for sometime now but are still somehow not outlawed. I have a feeling the civil war won't happen unless I initiate it. If it comes to that I already have fifty provinces. So all I have to do is take rome and game over.

wow, if you take gaul, brutii takes bordesholm and parthia then the whole world is roman :P

Playing as the Greek Cities. I've eliminated Macedon, Pontus and The house of Brutii and taken their lands and the entirety of Sicily. I'm currently at war against egypt, and the rest of the romans. I love it when the romans are putting armies on boats, I was blockading the Brutii while focusing on my other front. They egyptians have 2 provinces left, and I'm just waiting to rebuild my forces. Focusing on eliminating thier fleets. as I've taken thier coastal settlements. The next force I'm wary of is Armenia who have taken out the south Parthian lands and babylonia and another from the Selucids (who have died, like the parthians)

I've only had about three generals die in battle, One of them was being controlled by the AI. That really annoyed me.

I've been having some trouble with diplomacy in my game. I know its broken, but are there any tips on how to make deals more palatable to the AI? For example, what determines whether the AI would accept a ceasefire? I've offered ceasefires many times with various factions who clearly have a lot on their plate to worry about, and who are obviously the weaker faction, only to have them sneer "End the fighting? This is a good joke! Some of you may yet live!"

In my current Greek game, the Gauls and the Spanish are clearly beaten, and I have good reason to make peace with them: I want to keep Gaul as a buffer state against the Britons, Germans and, to an extent, the Dacians. For the Spanish, Carthage just declared war on me, so I'll need to concentrate on expelling the Carthagenians out of Iberia first. Plus, I have an escalating war with the Romans.
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From my experiences, proposals always sound slightly more reasonable to the AI when money is involved. Offering settlements may have the same effect, but I'm in doubt since settlements aren't something I usually give away so flippantly.

A good method of maintaining alliances/ceasefires once you have them though, is a frequent tribute. At the start of the alliance I always go to my allies and offer them 100+ denarii per turn for 9,999,999 turns/other drastically ridiculous number of turns. It seems to make them more willing to maintain our treaties, which is why I don't necessarily think the diplomatic AI is fully detached from the military.

Although you may be losing money doing this, sometimes, if you send the AI an offer, they may randomly pay a proportion of what you've given them back. I've had this happen several times in EB, but not in R:TW (this won't make much of a difference though - the diplomacy is not/cannot be changed between the two).

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I'll be sure to try that out the next time I play-- maintaining peace with a buffer state with less than the upkeep of an armoured hoplite seems pretty reasonable to me.

Other than Gaul and the Spanish, I might consider doing that to the Dacians as well-- the Dacians do seem to be quite a powerhouse in this game-- holding the Germans at bay, blitzing down to Macedon, even besieging rebel-held Patavium. Depending on how things go, I might give them some financial assistance so that they dominate the Greek peninsula.

If I have enough cash and the war against the traitorous Carthagenians goes well, I might consider propping up Armenia with cash to resist Egyptian hegemony in the east.

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Best campaign in vanilla

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Aaaaah
Nothing tastes like world anarchy for dinner:yes:

Very interesting campaign Parallel Pain - I've never seen rebel domination before :bow:

http://ourworld.cs.com/Carledwards15/victory.JPG

This was my favourite campaign ever. so many times I was close to defeat.

Quite an achievement Dodge_272 :bow:

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Originally Posted by Dodge_272

This was my favourite campaign ever. so many times I was close to defeat.

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Hey, what mod are you using there? EB? I'm assuming it's a mod, because I don't recognize the faction colors.

Oh, no, that's Barbarian Invasion ('BI'), a legitimate expansion pack from CA. The red one is the Western Roman Empire, and the blue-ish faction dominating in the East is the Sassanid Empire.

Red is Western Roman Empire.
Light blue is the sassanid empire.
The green is roman empire rebels.
The purple is either burgundii or Lombardi.
The blue is Franks.
Yellow is Samaritans. Those are the factions left.

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

Quite an achievement Dodge_272 :bow:

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Cheers. Trying it again on a harder difficulty (last one was M/M this ones on H/M. This is how I'm getting on this time around.

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Pretty impressive Dodge_272. Good luck. My best campaign is the one i'm currently doing,The Seleucid Empire. I own half the map. For more details see The Seleucid Empire Guide in the RTW Guides.