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Maybe I wasn't clear. I don't care which one of them looses the general election as long as one of them do. I was attempting to come at it from the eyes of Obama supporters. Whatever side you're on never give up until it's over. I'm sure they aren't hoping for a loss.
Or maybe I was envisioning my own worst-case scenario.
Blast! New page.
Not Florida relevant - but I just saw my first political ad on TV - and it was for Ron Paul! Focused on his military service, delivering babies as a doctor, gun rights, and opposition to taxes. I think the good Dr. has a chance for unique appeal in this state that retains traces of libertarianism.
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And racism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I looked this loonie up. Her name is Marcia Pappas, and she is a definite nutball. After Obama and Edwards teamed up on Clinton during a debate, Pappas issued a press release with the title (no, I'm not making this up): Psychological Gang Bang of Hillary is Proof We Need a Woman President.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
Just so we're clear on the mind-set of the woman who penned Senator Kennedy Betrays Women by Not Standing for Hillary Clinton for President.
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Vladimir, I don't believe for a minute that Ron Paul is a racist. This goes back to a newsletter that was released under his name that included some nasty stuff, none of it authored by Paul. But thanks for dredging it up.
His statement:
“The quotations in The New Republic article are not mine and do not represent what I believe or have ever believed. I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.
“In fact, I have always agreed with Martin Luther King, Jr. that we should only be concerned with the content of a person's character, not the color of their skin. As I stated on the floor of the U.S. House on April 20, 1999: ‘I rise in great respect for the courage and high ideals of Rosa Parks who stood steadfastly for the rights of individuals against unjust laws and oppressive governmental policies.’
“This story is old news and has been rehashed for over a decade. It's once again being resurrected for obvious political reasons on the day of the New Hampshire primary.
“When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several writers contributed to the product. For over a decade, I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.”
McCain answered that well enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
I certainly don't mean to give that impression. Simply put, McCain comes off as a generally honest politician who often says the wrong things, whereas Romney comes off as the insincere politician who is trying to say all the right things. Both are crappy choices.Quote:
Glad to hear you're ready to kiss and make up with Mac, BTW.
But Lemur, everything in The New Republic is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I'm going to have to go to link rehab this weekend. :clown:
I don't think it was a good answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
That's sad that you don't support a candidate, but merely attempt to bring the other down. I'd think that if both are bad, you would wait and see how things turn out instead of actively pushing a candidate that you yourself believe is a "crappy" choice.
Romney is the #1 choice and has great breakout potential. Look at how far he has come in 1 year. Who heard of him 1 year ago? You say that he is insencere - I don't believe what McCain says about his ability to go all the way to the white house or direct American policies wisely. I see being a war hero as a great thing, but it doesn't qualify someone for the Presidency. I don't trust his judgement in legislation, why would I trust him in an even more important office?
He uses the old adage "tell people the truth 70 percent of the time, they will believe you the other 30%" - He uses straight talk when it serves him and spins the truth in turn.
I find this very appropriate!
Haha. Edwards is such a [person i don't like].Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
dang it.
Looks like folks are calling Florida for McCain. If the Dems nominate Billary and the Repubs nominate Mac, McCain will win.
That was a closed primary too, meaning that Mac didn't have any independents out to save him. Interesting.
In other news, looks like Giuliani's done.
-edit- CNN Ticker says he might endorse McCain.
Three Cheers for McCain!
High command stars, max chivalry, morale bonii, he will be a perfect faction leader!
Except that he is really old...Quote:
Originally Posted by rvg
America loses in Florida. Seems like a common theme in Floridian elections, no?
Hillary/McCain - the only thing that would get me to vote for McCain. Guaranteeing that we have someone in the White House who has no business being in the White House.
America deserves an Obama/Romney race
On the plus/spin/optimist side, WHEN the Republicans lose this election and Hillary continues to ruin the United States, Romney won't be as much of an outsider in the 2012 election. By then, the G.O.P. should look like angels and we can give it another shot.
That is a matter of opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
As a Floridian, I think that the Democrats brought this on themselves, by putting the moratorium on campaigning for the major candidates. Then, Hillary, after she finds the hole in her sinking ship (or running aground), decides to 'make the DNC change' and 'make your votes count'. Talk about scraping the barrel, especially after she was supposed to have shot all the fish that resided in the barrel. It makes me sick that she's so easily turned on her word, and played the 'I'm not campaigning, but I'm going to be here, so take a couple pictures of me!'
Ugh.
Well, as anyone who watches the Weather Channel knows, God hates Florida. That's why he keeps lobbing hurricanes at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
One thing we can count on, if McCain is the nominee: The era of authorized, institutional, semi-legal American torture is over. It's only fitting that a man who was tortured and degraded by our enemies should be the man to put and end to this madness.
Go Mac!
Bah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
That would be anQuote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
interesting, painful race.
I'm with Lemur, go Mac. Since Dr.Paul looks like he isn't going to make it, I'm forced to support the next best thing the Republicans have.
Interestingly, there are reports of independents showing up at the polls and voting for McCain- which, of course, would be illegal in Florida.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
This
story makes one such reference. I'd be surprised if this was widespread enough to make the difference for McCain, but it shouldn't be happening regardless. Apparently, Florida just can't manage a scandal free election. :shrug:
Ding dong, the witch is dead!
Who would have thought, the Republicans wouldn't in fact elect someone who is pro-Choice, pro-Gun Control and pro-Gay Marriage and had no idea about how to run a national primaries campaign.Quote:
ORLANDO, Fla.—Rudy Giuliani, who bet his presidential hopes on Florida only to come in third, prepared to quit the race Tuesday and endorse his friendliest rival, John McCain.
The former New York mayor stopped short of announcing he was stepping down, but delivered a valedictory speech that was more farewell than fight-on.
Giuliani finished a distant third to winner John McCain and close second-place finisher Mitt Romney. Republican officials said Giuliani would endorse McCain on Wednesday in California. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity in advance of the public announcement.
And the latest numbers according to CNN:
95% percent of precincts reporting
McCain 677,865 (36%)
Romney 582,806 (31%)
Giuliani 275,676 (15%)
Huckabee 253,886 (14%)
Paul 60,583 (3%)
Thompson 21,868 (1%)
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Clinton 835,848 (50%)
Obama 555,292 (33%)
Edwards 243,332 (14%)
He's not pro choice or pro gay marriage. Qute the opposite if you read his website.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
He believes both are state issues, and SCOTUS should not legislate from the bench when states make laws prohibiting both.
Comments that he made while on campaign on Wikipedia:
andQuote:
In a February 2007 interview with Sean Hannity, Giuliani said, "I hate [abortion] ... However, I believe in a woman's right to choose."
Lots of other comments he has made over the years hereQuote:
In a 2007 interview he said, "I have also stated that I disagree with President [George H.W.] Bush's veto last week of public funding for abortions."
As for gay marriage, some quotes from here:
http://www.observer.com/node/26855
Quote:
On Gay Domestic-Partner Rights:
National Republicans can lump it if they don't like his new domestic-partners bill, Mayor Giuliani said yesterday.
"I really haven't thought about what the impact is on Republican politics or national politics or Democratic politics," Giuliani said.
The bill he submitted to the City Council would extend the benefits city agencies must grant to gay and lesbian couples.
"I'm proud of it," Giuliani said of the bill. "I think it puts New York City ahead of other places in the country."
--New York Daily News, May 13, 1998
On Gay-Rights\Gay Rights Bill:
Giuliani favors extended civil-rights protection for gays and lesbians. Giuliani urged, by letter, to the New York Senate Majority Leader to pass the state's first ever gay rights bill, but did it privately.
"I am writing to convey my support for the current legislation to prohibit discrimination against gays and lesbians, and to urge you to allow the bill onto the floor of the Senate for prompt action."
"...It is my belief that we can penalize discrimination [against gays] without creating any potentially objectionable special privileges or preferential treatment."
--New York Post, June 5, 1993
Now Rudy Giuliani has jumped on the bandwagon, pressing the state Republican Party to release a gay-rights bill to the Senate floor for a vote. Marching in Sunday's [Gay Pride] parade, he has enlisted in the struggle to destroy the family. What a perfectly abominable springboard to seek high political office.
--Ray Kerrison New York Post, June 30, 1993
Giuliani said homosexuality is "good and normal."
--Ray Kerrison New York Post, July 7, 1989
On Gay Domestic Partnership:
"I have no objection to the concept of domestic partnership."
--Rudy Giuliani Informed Sources New York T.V. Show (PBS), May, 1992
I was talking about John McCain. Whoops.
I was about to say that you have a pretty broad definition of those things...
I think you are jumping the gun here. McCain and Romney have won 3 states each, this isn't over yet. Super Tuesday may decide it, we will see. I'm hoping it goes all the way to the convention.Quote:
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
It's good to see the wheels coming off on the Hillary campaign though. She is not a very gracious loser. ~D
Don't mislead yourself. McCain and Hillary will be the nominees. Look at the polls a week before super Tuesday. Hillary was never in real trouble for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
www.realclearpolitics.com
Romney is done. Technically it is a 2 man race, but look at the winner take all races that he is up agaisnt and tell me 2 states where he is leading in the polls on super Tuesday. Romney absolutely needed Florida to have a shot next Tuesday - which still would have been tough.
Obama still has 2 hands on the ledge, so he could theoretically pull himself back up, but it won't happen.
Yes, McCain can now be considered the frontrunner. But if Romney can get the more conservative base out, he still has a chance. And don't trust the polls, they haven't really been accurate.
Rumors are that Edwards is going to join Guiliani in bailing out today. If he throws his support behind Obama (as expected), and Billary continue to show how power-hungry they are, the tide may turn there.
Well, it looks like McCain would beat Hillary or Obama in the election:
RASMUSSEN:
McCain 48% Clinton 40%
McCain 47% Obama 41%....
From the drudge report.
And at least he's more pro-gun than Romney.
Stupid Huckabee, though, and his sucking of votes away from Thompson. At least I can throw this in the face of people who said 'He's the one!' - who can win the election, yeah right.
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