Trapped in Taormina [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Sure. I'm a townie. Investigate away, detective.

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Then we have a deal. :D

/shakes on it

I'm still not sure who to vote for, but I gotta run to work soon. Here goes a random vote

Vote: Caius

Privateer, you are not unlike a Catholic Inquistion in your quest for guilty blood - but please do not fall into the same trap that Sasaki is prone to.
That is, pursuing a target with such unflagging delight that you begin to want that target to be guilty, simply for the sake of justification.

You are beginning to give me confidence in your innocence, though I guarantee nothing to myself as of yet, and I would have you help me in rooting out those shadowy players who will kill the experience from underneath us while you search!

Look about the list of other players and search for other suspicions!

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Privateer, you are not unlike a Catholic Inquistion in your quest for guilty blood - but please do not fall into the same trap that Sasaki is prone to.
That is, pursuing a target with such unflagging delight that you begin to want that target to be guilty, simply for the sake of justification.

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You are absolutely correct. :bow:

As I have said in other posts, if someone else's behavior comes across as more suspicious, I will change my vote.

Part of the problem is that I don't know most of the people here. Therefore, on turn one, I don't have much of a baseline to compare people against. To me, a lot of comments so far come across as innocent where a veteran might see them as suspicious because they know the person.

Hopefully I'll be more helpful when I get to know people better and get a feel for their habits and style. :yes:

OK Laddies, it's off to the day-job for me. I had no real reason to vote for GeneralH, except to try and spawn more talk.

So: unvote: GeneralHandkerchief
vote: Hiji for lack of participation.

Have a fine day, and good luck all!

Most favourable of you, Kukri, and I thank you for keeping your word.

These random votes are acceptable for the Township - so long as they remain random.

Wow, awesome. I've never been the target of a first-round bandwagon before.

@Glenn: I said "I don't like this" because something's been spinning in my head about a diabolical plot Sasaki's had in order to twist a PM he received to his advantage. With additional information coming out, I'm not as sure, but the thought still remains.

Unvote: 00jebus
Vote: axel

Interesting how he stopped talking right after the roles were assigned.

Keep the tally going, otherwise mafia bandwagons can hide more easily, especially in a mess like this.

Proletariat: 3 (Sasaki, Husar, PK)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
shlin28: 2 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Caius: 1 (Proletariat)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)

Abstain: 3 (TS, shlin, NN)

Nothing too much to go on from my perspective - Sasaki's prostitute hiring seems genuine based upon Andres' clarification. The only thing I can henceforth detect is Privateerkev. What I dislike about his behaviour is his fairly high levels of activity in comparison to other players. This could indicate genuine townie involvement, or it could suggest a mafia attempt at avoiding the "lurker" classification. There also is his lack of willingness to vote, which could be an attempt to maintain mafia style neutrality.

Regardless of the flimsiness of this, we've got to start somewhere.

Vote: Privateerkev

Tally
Proletariat: 3 (Sasaki, Husar, PK)

Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
shlin28: 2 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)

Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
Sasaki: 1 (LittleGrizzly)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Caius: 1 (Proletariat)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
Privateerkev: 1 (Omanes)

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

The only thing I can henceforth detect, is Privateerkev. What I dislike about his behaviour is his fairly high levels of activity in comparison to other players. This could indicate townie involvement, or it could suggest a mafia attempt at avoiding the "lurker" classification.

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I'm a chatty person who has internet access at work... :2thumbsup:

Look at some threads in the KotR sub-forum and you'll see that I usually hold a disproportionate amount of the posts.

Like I have said before, I welcome a randomly timed investigation upon my person by the detective as long as he takes care to hide his own identity. :yes:

*edit*

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

There also is his lack of willingness to vote, which could be an attempt to maintain mafia style neutrality.

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I'm still getting the hang of things and some veterans have convinced me that it is better to "flush out" mafia as early as possible.

What would happen if the prostitute would protect a mafia member?

If he/she spends the night with him/her, he/she can't go out killing, right?

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir

What would happen if the prostitute would protect a mafia member?

If he/she spends the night with him/her, he/she can't go out killing, right?

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Indeedy-do.

Havn't read through the last 2 pages yet, but 2 votes just for voting abstain...? What do you want me to do? Pick names out of a hat?


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Fine then... :no:

Vote BananaBob

Voted without reason.

there is no way a detective in his right mind would claim his role in thread... very suspicious... reminds me of me though... anyhow, you got my vote.

unvote: vote: privateerkev

there is no way a detective in his right mind would claim his role in thread... very suspicious... reminds me of me though... anyhow, you got my vote.

unvote: vote: privateerkev

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

there is no way a detective in his right mind would claim his role in thread... very suspicious... reminds me of me though... anyhow, you got my vote.

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I agree a detective wouldn't reveal. But I did not want to be accused of trying to "flush out" the detective so I wanted to make it clear that he should be quiet if I'm innocent.

Boy, this game is just one long series of "darned if you do, darned if you don't."

:beam:

Vote:Sasaki

I don't like the fact that he revealed that he was blocked by the prostitute.

Edit:Tally

Proletariat: 3 (Sasaki, Husar, PK)

Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
shlin28: 2 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)
Privateerkev: 2 (Omanes,TS)

Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Caius: 1 (Proletariat)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Then we have a deal. :D

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What kinda crummy deal is this with you still having the lynching vote on me? :P

Unvote: Caius Vote: Privateerkev

Proletariat: 3 (Sasaki, Husar, PK)
Privateerkev: 3 (Omanes,TS, Prole)

Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
shlin28: 2 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)


Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

What kinda crummy deal is this with you still having the lynching vote on me? :P

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You had my vote because you were the most suspicious person. But someone has just taken that role from you.

unvote: Proletariat; vote: The Stranger

First, TS votes abstain very early on. Then he accuses me of trying to draw out the detective when I made provisions to prevent exactly that. I suspect it is because he got nervous being on someone's suspicion list. So I think he is trying to bandwagon a newbie to throw the scent off of himself.


Privateerkev: 3 (Omanes,TS, Proletariat)

Proletariat: 2 (Sasaki, Husar)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
shlin28: 2 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)


Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)
The Stranger: 1 (Privateerkev)

Abstain: 3 (TS, shlin, NN)

Correct tally:

Privateerkev: 3 (Omanes,TS, Proletariat)

Proletariat: 2 (Sasaki, Husar)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
shlin28: 2 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)


Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)
The Stranger: 1 (Privateerkev)

Abstain: 1 ( NN)

OOC: crap, sorry... :embarassed:

unvote,vote:shlin

shlin rarely posts except to vote and kev has tons of posts.


edit: tally


Privateerkev: 3 (Omanes,TS, Proletariat)
shlin28: 3 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio,Sasaki)

Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)

Proletariat: 1 ( Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)
The Stranger: 1 (Privateerkev)

Abstain: 1 ( NN)

I'm going to keep my vote on Shlin28 for now. I don't have a strong feeling that he is guilty but I think that Pkev is innocent. He is definately a talkative person. We both joined in the same month and he has 1k more posts than me.

Now, if he was mafia then his partner would have probably told him to lay low and not draw attention too much. The only way I think Pkev could be mafia is if...

1. His partner is also from KotR and knew a less talkative Pkev would draw suspicion from the other KotR players.

or

2. His partner is also new and they haven't done much discussion of strategy.

To bad my real life has me traveling to much - looks like I am missing a few good games.

Interesting reading so far -

Unvote: Privateerkev

Privatekev's defence response(s) were, from my perspective, rational and sensible. Mafia are usually much more violent in their responses - especially when a bandwagon is building up against them. He doesn't have my full trust, but, for now my vote is removed.

On another note, The Stranger, might I ask why you can up with that misinformed reason for a vote:

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

there is no way a detective in his right mind would claim his role in thread... very suspicious... reminds me of me though... anyhow, you got my vote.

Vote: Privateerkev

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Although I would understand voting based on something comparable to what I voted for Privateerkev based on would be rational, that reasoning is simply poorly devised and based on something I haven't actually read. I didn't see where Privateerkev even mentioned detective reveals - quite to the contrary in fact. I've searched the thread three times for "detective" by the user "Privateerkev" and nothing of any significance cropped up. Due to this:

Vote: The Stranger

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

What kinda crummy deal is this with you still having the lynching vote on me? :P

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I could ask you the same thing... o_O

updated tally:



shlin28: 3 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio,Sasaki)

The Stranger: 2 (Privateerkev, Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Privateerkev: 2 (TS, Proletariat)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
Sarathos: 2 (Beefy, AntiWarmanCake)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)

Proletariat: 1 ( Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (makaikhaan)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
TinCow: 1 (00jebus)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)

Abstain: 1 ( NN)

UnVote:Saratos

Vote:The Stranger


Also Will Argee with Omanes on this also.Saratos really doesn't sound suspicous to me...yet.

Bandwagoning is bad, especially when using someone else's reasoning. :no:

Vote Abstain - I'm not convinced yet

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Bandwagoning is bad, especially when using someone else's reasoning. :no:

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That and being the third ...
I am tempted :yes:

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Bandwagoning is bad, especially when using someone else's reasoning. :no:

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I may be new but that sounds very defensive;

Unvote, Vote Ichigo

new page, new tally:

shlin28: 3 (w&f, Gaius Scribonius Curio,Sasaki)
The Stranger: 3 (Privateerkev, Omanes Alexandrapolites, {BHC}AntiWarmanCake88)

Privateerkev: 2 (TS, Proletariat)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pever)
GeneralHankerchief: 2 (CR, BananaBob)
Sasaki: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Ichigo)
Ichigo: 2 (makaikhaan, 00jebus)

Sarathos: 1 (Beefy)
Proletariat: 1 ( Husar)
Gaius Sribonius Curio: 1 (TinCow)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius)
{BHC}AntiWarmanCake88: 1 (Caius)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)
Husar: 1 (Sigurd)
CrazedRabbit: 1 (Glenn)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
axel: 1 (GH)
BananaBob: 1 (shlin)

Abstain: 2 ( NN, Yaropolk)

The day has ended.

Votes will be count. Stand by for execution.

It's still a tie though. Bit of a toss up but I think shlin is a better lynch then the stranger.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

It's still a tie though. Bit of a toss up but I think shlin is a better lynch then the stranger.

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Random.org will decide who is going to be lynched.

Bets are on :devil:

I bet I will be lynched... :thumbsdown:

OH great!

Now I hope it's the Stranger, doesn't shlin get lynched all the time anyway?
You bunch of cruel bastards...

Day 1 - Conclusion.

Theotro Greco 10.00 pm

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/...coTaormina.jpg

After Pino's speech, the tourists and villagers of Taormina were upset.

As the day continued and the sun kept burning, the discussion also got more heated.

The voices went crescendo, the paranoid people casting votes, switching votes, acting like they didn't have a clue.

After a long and heated debate, the good people of Taormina decided that either The Stranger or shlin28 had to be scum.

"Is this your final decision?", Pino asked.

Some of them screamed "Yes, get it over with, maybe I'll be the one who gets a visit of the prostitute!" Most of them just nodded.

"Ok, then," Pino sighed, "Time to use that ancient coin I found a while ago in this theatre."

Pino flipped the coin.

"It seems like shlin28 is our lynch for today. Any last words?"

"What? Why me? You are all crazy! First I vote for nobody, then you complain, then I vote a random guy and now I'm getting lynched! This is outrageous! And I want my money back from the travel agency. Nobody told me I was going to get lynched! I want my lawyer! I..."

BANG !

Everybody stared at Pino's smoking gun. "That's enough words, my friend."

shlin28's blood colored the ground of the theatre, the bullet between his eyes ended his life quickly.

"Well, we only had one murder last night. Let's hope shlin28 was the only criminal who survived the eruption and the nightmare is now over. Since it's so hot these days, I suggest we meet each other tomorrow morning in the park. Good night all."

The crowd left the theatre and went back to their hotel rooms or remnants of their homes.


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Hosts' tally:

shlin28 : 3 (w&f, Gaius Sribonius Curio, Sasaki) :skull:

The Stranger : 3 (Omanes, Warman, Privateerkev)

GH: 2 (CR, Bananabob)
Sasaki: 2 (Ichigo, LittleGrizzly)
Tratorix: 2 (Rythmic, pevergreen)
Privateerkev: 2 (The Stranger, Proletariat)

Sarathos : 1 (Beefy187)
Proletariat: 1 (Husar)
Ichigo: 1 (00jebus)
woad&fangs: 1 (makaikhaan)
Beefy187: 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Gaius Sribunius Curio : 1 (TinCow)
pevergreen: 1 (Tratorix)
CR: 1 (Glenn)
Bananabob: 1 (shlin28)
Warman: 1 (Caius)
Hiji: 1 (Kukrikhan)
Husar : 1 (Sigurd Fafnesbane)
Mithrandir: 1 (Makanyane)
axel: 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
Makanyane: 1 (Mithrandir)

Abstain: 2 (Yaropolk, Northnovas)

Not voting : 6 (Sarathos, Zorg, axel, Haudegen, TwilightBlade, Hiji)


Alive (36)

Ichigo
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
GeneralHankerchief
Omanes
makaikhaan
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Glenn
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
The Stranger
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
AntiWarmanCake
Hiji
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat


Killed (1)
Seamus Fermanagh

Lynched (1)
shlin28

WoG'ed (0)


It's now night. PM's please.

OOC: Due to real life (family reunion tomorrow + visit of my father and mother in law on Sunday), the coming night phase will last for 48 hours and will end on Sunday +/- 22h00 (GMT +2)

Don't forget: Sunday is mother's day!

~:mecry:

When will I ever survive the first night/day phase???

FoS: Everyone who jumped on the, admittedly small, PK bandwagon at various points in time. This was his very first voting phase of his very first mafia game and he always posts with this exact same frequency in the Throne Room. I have not seen a single post that would be out of the ordinary for him. I see no legitimate reason to go after him at this point in the game. Hanging your vote on a verbose n00b is scummy.

Hm, This will be intersted!

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Originally Posted by 00jebus

I may be new but that sounds very defensive;

Unvote, Vote Ichigo

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Why? I was just pointing it out.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

FoS: Everyone who jumped on the, admittedly small, PK bandwagon at various points in time. This was his very first voting phase of his very first mafia game and he always posts with this exact same frequency in the Throne Room. I have not seen a single post that would be out of the ordinary for him. I see no legitimate reason to go after him at this point in the game. Hanging your vote on a verbose n00b is scummy.

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FoS: TinCow

You could have said that at any time the past two days but you didn't. While I appreciate the words of support now, they were strangely lacking when I needed them most. I came very close to being band-wagoned out during the first voting phase. The above post from you could have put that whole affair to bed in an instant. But you waited until it became clear that I was safe and only now you post something you could have posted yesterday or earlier today.

:no:

Now, the above is not meant to imply in any way that you had some sort of duty to speak out. You certainly didn't. But the fact that you waited showed that your move was quite strategic. Hence it raises my suspicion.

I intentionally said nothing about your posting pattern because I wanted to see who would go after you. You are an obvious target for lazy mafia and thus it was useful to see who would take the bait. In any case, it's not my job to bail you out of your own mess.

And for the record, I'm not supporting you, I'm simply suspicious of the people who went after you. Just because I see no reason to distrust you doesn't mean I trust you. In these games, you are guilty until proven innocent.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I intentionally said nothing about your posting pattern because I wanted to see who would go after you. You are an obvious target for lazy mafia and thus it was useful to see who would take the bait. In any case, it's not my job to bail you out of your own mess.

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No it is not (and I think I said that) but it is telling. If you were planning on using me as bait for Mafia, you could have told me at any time. Instead you sat by and attempted to quietly defend Proletariat. Now that Proletariat and I have come to something of an understanding, you come out with a supportive statement for me well after I actually needed it.

It is your timing I question, not your lack of help. It is early but I am already noticing the two of you acting in concert. I see I will need to continue keeping an eye on both of you.

Well now Proletariat - that was cold-blooded and malicious of you.

That was so nasty it could not even be put down to a matter of survival, seeing as there were so many people in the tie.

So you're not a townie, Proletariat, I didn't think that at all, I thought you would be a pro-town role - perhaps you are the assassin.
Although I admit the last is baseless.

Apart from Prole, my other suspicion is the obvious one - Stranger, who was equally malnourished when he joined the sudden bandwagon.

As for Tincow, Privateer I would not worry for someone who is at least currently speaking in your defense here.
If he is using you for bait against the Mafia, then at least he is against the Mafia.

I declare my suspicion of KukriKhan and thereby out of neccessity my suspicion of CrazedRabbit null and void..

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Sasaki has my support for being one of the most well-intentioned and sensible voters this entire round.
And he is the only player I have confidence in due to his behaviour and lack of aggression this game. Although perhaps we will need aggression.

I had no particular suspicion of Shlin28, but far better he than GeneralHankerchief. I don't think we killed any criminals this round.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

As for Tincow, Privateer I would not worry for someone who is at least currently speaking in your defense here.
If he is using you for bait against the Mafia, then at least he is against the Mafia.

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But I suspect he is working with Proletariat. They both attacked Sasaki at the same time. Then TC came to Prole's defense when I first suspected her. Then when her and I seemed to mend fences in a PM, TC spoke out against those who band-wagoned me.

But maybe those are all just coincidences. But with little else to go on, they are at least something.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Well now Proletariat - that was cold-blooded and malicious of you.

That was so nasty it could not even be put down to a matter of survival, seeing as there were so many people in the tie.

So you're not a townie, Proletariat, I didn't think that at all, I thought you would be a pro-town role - perhaps you are the assassin.
Although I admit the last is baseless.

Apart from Prole, my other suspicion is the obvious one - Stranger, who was equally malnourished when he joined the sudden bandwagon.

As for Tincow, Privateer I would not worry for someone who is at least currently speaking in your defense here.
If he is using you for bait against the Mafia, then at least he is against the Mafia.

I declare my suspicion of KukriKhan and thereby out of neccessity my suspicion of CrazedRabbit null and void..

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Sasaki has my support for being one of the most well-intentioned and sensible voters this entire round.
And he is the only player I have confidence in due to his behaviour and lack of aggression this game. Although perhaps we will need aggression.

I had no particular suspicion of Shlin28, but far better he than GeneralHankerchief. I don't think we killed any criminals this round.

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Why are you suspicious of Khan?

What's up with your attitude towards Sasaki? How was it well-intentioned and sensible?

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But I suspect he is working with Proletariat. They both attacked Sasaki at the same time. Then TC came to Prole's defense when I first suspected her. Then when her and I seemed to mend fences in a PM, TC spoke out against those who band-wagoned me.

But maybe those are all just coincidences. But with little else to go on, they are at least something.

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PM you say. Also, to your TC and Prole partnership, do you really believe they would be so obvious about it? Two experienced players doing it is unlikely.

Warman, its a welcome to mafia. Its not intended to make you lynched. Its a common tradition we have here.

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Why are you suspicious of Khan?

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He isn't. He said his suspicion toward Khan is now "null and void".

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What's up with your attitude towards Sasaki? How was it well-intentioned and sensible?

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I think it has to do with the fact that Sasaki is less aggressive towards a noob like me. :D

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PM you say. Also, to your TC and Prole partnership, do you really believe they would be so obvious about it? Two experienced players doing it is unlikely.

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I don't think they are obvious about it. Those three things might be nothing. They might be total coincidences. Or, it could be that they are two townies who happen to have a good rapport with each other due to their working together in Netherworld. In fact, I find it quite ironic that you are now speaking out in defense of your old Team Hades. :beam:

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Originally Posted by Caius

Warman, its a welcome to mafia. Its not intended to make you lynched. Its a common tradition we have here.

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Ah ok, You had me for a minute :yes: :laugh4:

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He isn't. He said his suspicion toward Khan is now "null and void".

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No, he said his suspicion of CR was null and void.

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I think it has to do with the fact that Sasaki is less aggressive towards a noob like me. :D

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Maybe, but I'd rather hear if from him.

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I don't think they are obvious about it. Those three things might be nothing. They might be total coincidences. Or, it could be that they are two townies who happen to have a good rapport with each other due to their working together in Netherworld. In fact, I find it quite ironic that you are now speaking out in defense of your old Team Hades. :beam:

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I speak out in defense of those I think are innocent based on an analysis of their posts. Just because they were my teammates before doesn't make me biased towards thinking they are innocent and defending them, which seems to be what you're getting at.

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No, he said his suspicion of CR was null and void.

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Here is his full sentence: "I declare my suspicion of KukriKhan and thereby out of neccessity my suspicion of CrazedRabbit null and void."

I read that as him saying he does not suspect either man. Of course, he probably knows what he is saying better than I do so I'll let him take it from here.

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I speak out in defense of those I think are innocent based on an analysis of their posts. Just because they were my teammates before doesn't make me biased towards thinking they are innocent and defending them, which seems to be what you're getting at.

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Good to hear it. All I've said about them is that I have found actions of both people to be suspicious. I don't pretend to have anything solid. I'm not standing on a box pointing at them and screaming that they are mafia. I'm simply suspicious of the both of them due to things they have said and done. So, I'll keep an eye on them.

As for your link to them in another game, I merely found it "ironic". You've given me no reason to think your working with them nor have I found anything you have done to be suspicious.

I simply believe in answering point for point because that is what I feel we should be doing right now. Which is talking and getting to the bottom of all of this.

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I read that as him saying he does not suspect either man. Of course, he probably knows what he is saying better than I do so I'll let him take it from here.

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After rereading you're probably right. Sorry, if my tone seemed angry. :bow:

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Good to hear it. All I've said about them is that I have found actions of both people to be suspicious. I don't pretend to have anything solid. I'm not standing on a box pointing at them and screaming that they are mafia. I'm simply suspicious of the both of them due to things they have said and done. So, I'll keep an eye on them.

As for your link to them in another game, I merely found it "ironic". You've given me no reason to think your working with them nor have I found anything you have done to be suspicious.

I simply believe in answering point for point because that is what I feel we should be doing right now. Which is talking and getting to the bottom of all of this.

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Talking is always a good thing in these games. I believe you I was just curious about what you thought. You seem to be acting normally from what I've seen from the Test Game at least.

OOC: It's all good. :beam:

I'm still getting used to being inquisitive without being overly aggressive.

We're basically trapped in a big room with 30 something people and we know a few of them are cold-blooded killers. It would put anyone on edge. ^_^

I will return soon to speak more;

But for now I simply wish to confirm that I do not have any suspicion of either Kukri or CrazedRabbit any longer.

Sorry for the confusion.

Wow... this game went exceedingly quickly, I put it off for a few days and it grows to 10 pages...

I must say I find myself quite hopeless at really seeing guilt in players, but I can tell you what my gut instinct is saying.

Personally Glenn seems suspicious to me. His whole "I was standing back and observing" at the start excuse seems suspicious to me.

Also as stated before (don't have time to find the quote) Sasaki's prostitute reveal seems odd to me, and I don't think this has been addressed.

So then Zorg, except for a perverse three or four players, you would suspect everyone in this game so far?

How many players here stand back and observe, and read the thread before posting their ideas and suspicions?

Without it one's accusations are groundless, and where have you been all this time - to suddenly come forward and accuse me, and then claim that something which has been addressed in detail especially by Andres has not in fact in your eyes been discussed at all?

You did not have this same blindness in Capo II Zorg.

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Also as stated before (don't have time to find the quote) Sasaki's prostitute reveal seems odd to me, and I don't think this has been addressed.

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Andres confirmed that he gives prostitute pm's to everyone the prostitute sleeps with, regardless of the person's role. After that, it pretty much died and others started suspecting others. I think that is why it hasn't been addressed lately.

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sorry, Glenn has just addressed this. That is what I get for watching a movie while posting. ^_^

I don't really get why you bastards lynched shlin again, you always come up with some stupid nonsensical reason to lynch him early, I'm considering suicide or to just stop playing because this is retarded and doesn't give me a lot of hope for the rest of the game... :thumbsdown:

Well, it may be a tragedy for him, that his fortune is so harsh - but surely it does not give you sufficient grief to attack and abuse the other members here - especially in such a broad manner.

This is of course, unless you required Shlin in order to play the game more effectively. Then your threats and anger may be justified.

I was just looking for some attention. ~D

I could've said it nicer but I always feel like noone listens then so I tried a different approach.
And I don't really buy that people actually suspect shlin in almost every first round, despite that I saw a lot more reasons to vote for other people like prole who IMO is still acting weird or maybe I'm just mean and stupid and will destroy the game for all of you, which would also make me proud. ~:pissed:

Well Husar, as is the case with just about everyone, my first-round vote was semi-random. I didn't know that Shlin always gets lynched! Plus I haven't checked the thread in a while, so while TS actually in retrospect seems to be a better lynch... I was too late!

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This is of course, unless you required Shlin in order to play the game more effectively. Then your threats and anger may be justified.

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Insinuating that they are both suspicious? From my limited understanding of other peoples personalities, I'd say not so much as to be sufficiently above the norm. I mean everyone's suspicious atm.

I'd back your opinion that Sasaki seems to be among the most sensible voters atm. I'd also say that you seem to be very well-reasoned, even if I don't necessarily agree with you.

FOS:The Stranger

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very suspicious... reminds me of me

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:laugh4: But still, PK was providing, imo, some fairly good reasoning for his actions. So he has a lot to say... doesn't mean that hes guilty. So he provides the reasoning behind his arguments and gets jumped on for something he's already refuted! Either you were genuinely confused (tired maybe) or you were delibrately trying to confuse things, and lynch, currently the best contributor to the thread, at least in terms of volume and enthusiasm.

Explanation please.

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How do you know that? are you two in something?

Its a figure of speech... lol.

Edit: I'll expand on that. You may (or may not) have noticed that I type/talk in a very incoherent and crazy way. Pretty much I type exactly how I'd say something in real life. Hence, exaggeration, overreaction, irony, sarcasm, literalism... etc. are all present in my posts.

...I didn't say that I knew anything. Its called musing/asking a question. IMO, atm The Stranger is more suspicious than PK. Soooo, its up to The Stranger to adequately answer it.

Btw: I'm tired and cranky, so apologies for any offence, I didn't mean it...

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What's up with your attitude towards Sasaki? How was it well-intentioned and sensible?

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Glenn you never answered my question.

I'll be gone for probably most of today and part of tomorrow.

Hmmm, some of the roles Andres has cooked up will pose interesting in the course of this game. Namely the Prostitute and Juliette.

Wading through the first couple pages of WIFOMs was fairly, um ... useless (:laugh4:). But, it does pose some valuable info into how certain players are approaching this game, and will act as a good means to cross-reference later on.

So far Seamus was a American tourist(?) thus likely a townie. And from the kill write-up

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The experienced killer

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Who smothered him, and used a knife.
- I'm guessing that Manfredo would have been investigating last night, trying to find Juliette, so I'd rule him out.
- Taketsi was probably also investigating, rather than making hits, (unless of course he/she felt very lucky :laugh4:).
- Gianluca and Luciano would likely be the suspects, depending on the secret role of course.
>>>> So one hit, last night. Two (three?) possibilities:
-- One of them was afraid of being investigated night one, thus didn't kill, indicating experience or believing themselves to be a prime suspect.
-- One of them was AFK, thus indicating a lurker or potential WOG victim.
-- One of them was role blocked, unlikely though if we look at Sasaki's PM from Andres:

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You were watching television that night, feeling a bit bored.

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Indicating Sasaki was indeed doing nothing, most likely a townie. But, Sasaki is a wily fellow, wouldn't take my eye off him just yet.

Most of this is probably useless/obvious. :shrug:

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I don't really get why you bastards lynched shlin again, you always come up with some stupid nonsensical reason to lynch him early, I'm considering suicide or to just stop playing because this is retarded and doesn't give me a lot of hope for the rest of the game... :thumbsdown:

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I didn't see him as being very suspicious but I'm new and don't know people well enough to tell if someone is acting differently from how they normally act. To me, most of you simply don't talk a lot and I just assume it is the norm for you until a veteran brings up that it is not the norm for that particular player.

I was trying to get The Stranger lynched but he ended up tying with Shlin and lucking out at random.org.

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FOS:The Stranger

:laugh4: But still, PK was providing, imo, some fairly good reasoning for his actions. So he has a lot to say... doesn't mean that hes guilty. So he provides the reasoning behind his arguments and gets jumped on for something he's already refuted! Either you were genuinely confused (tired maybe) or you were delibrately trying to confuse things, and lynch, currently the best contributor to the thread, at least in terms of volume and enthusiasm.

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Well, if I don't always bring quality with my posts, at least I bring enthusiasm. I always thought a good stream of conversation and banter was good for a game. And since we don't have an OOC thread, this thread serves multiple purposes. Hence, it is going to fill up relatively fast.

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How do you know that? are you two in something?

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I think he meant that me talking a lot does not automatically make me guilty. Gabby yes, guilty no. I would talk like this no matter what role I had. Because it is me. I struggled before the game to figure out how much I should post because I noticed those who post too little/too much get suspected. But it would be too much work to manufacture posting habits so I will just post like I always do.

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Hmmm, some of the roles Andres has cooked up will pose interesting in the course of this game. Namely the Prostitute and Juliette.

Wading through the first couple pages of WIFOMs was fairly, um ... useless (:laugh4:). But, it does pose some valuable info into how certain players are approaching this game, and will act as a good means to cross-reference later on.

So far Seamus was a American tourist(?) thus likely a townie. And from the kill write-up

Who smothered him, and used a knife.
- I'm guessing that Manfredo would have been investigating last night, trying to find Juliette, so I'd rule him out.
- Taketsi was probably also investigating, rather than making hits, (unless of course he/she felt very lucky :laugh4:).
- Gianluca and Luciano would likely be the suspects, depending on the secret role of course.
>>>> So one hit, last night. Two (three?) possibilities:
-- One of them was afraid of being investigated night one, thus didn't kill, indicating experience or believing themselves to be a prime suspect.
-- One of them was AFK, thus indicating a lurker or potential WOG victim.
-- One of them was role blocked, unlikely though if we look at Sasaki's PM from Andres:

Indicating Sasaki was indeed doing nothing, most likely a townie. But, Sasaki is a wily fellow, wouldn't take my eye off him just yet.

Most of this is probably useless/obvious. :shrug:

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I like your analysis. I do hope that we have no non-townie roles going to WoG's or inactive/semi-active players. I want competition, not winning because a role is inactive.

I don't think Sasaki was one of the Gianluca/Luciana killers. It just doesn't seem right from what I know. So, I suspect one Carelli killer struck while one laid low. Or one struck while one was logged off and inactive.

I'm also assuming Taketsi and Manfredo investigated. It just seems like what they'd do. Mr trench coat (or black cloak if you prefer) is a mystery. The prostitute was obviously busy beating one of the players with a wooden pole. And Julliette and the Detective were hiding and most likely doing their own investigations. I think that covers every special role I know of.

I guess this post is just one long "I agree with you" post but I'd like to see discussion continue.

What, why was Glenn suspicious of me in the first place?

CR

Because at one stage there seemed to be weak, (Admittedly weak), traces of a conspiracy against GeneralHankerchief.

This has been subsided by other things now.

Ichigo, though you are away I will answer your question, I'm sorry I thought it was obvious already;
PrivateerKev was in a position where players like Sasaki and Omanes Alexandrapolites had ample power to have him lynched.

Instead, both of them made logical replies and changed their votes - and this was most surprising coming from Sasaki - as he is usually quite willing to ramp up any bandwagon, but this time showed self-control.

For this reason, and for reasons of his inactivity and lack of word-twisting posts, I feel that he does not have a major role in this game, and could even be content just to watch.
Especially if he hasn't time due to outside circumstances.

I hope that clarifies my confidence in him.


When players like Caius come forth with frivolous one-liners, attempting to cause dissent amongst players in the most careless style - they aren't really deserving of any reply.



But I am in agreement with Rythmic, in that he has shown a more concrete approach to gathering evidence, and is not succumbing to simple speculation.
I won't comment on anyone again for that reason until we have some proper evidence from the host, (High time we did!).

So, night time. And a long one, at that. This townie can only hope that the Prostitute visits his miserable shack tonight, and forgets the wooden board (splinters, ouch!), and instead brings her healing, fragrant oils and balms, and female mysteries, and intimate murmurs, and swirling fantasies :belly:, and intriguing stories...

... and that she can cook a decent breakfast. :)

Happy Mother's Day to any Mothers out there (Mama-waio and Mrs. Kukri the only two I am aware of)! :DAISeY::balloon2: :DAISeY:

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I can't say a lot at the moment. I saw the first vote to GH from CR, and I think there could be something, must reread the whole thing. There could be two things happening, but those are my theories.

1.. 2.. 3...

Come on, breathe, BREATHE!

to my defence.

I realize, after re-reading the thread I made a mistake. I was short on time and slightly distracted by other worldly beauties, so when I read

Prole: Sure. I'm a townie. Investigate away, detective.

PK: Then we have a deal. :D

I immediatly jumped conclusions and voted for PK. I hadn't read the posts before that one, but now I have and I realise I was wrong. About the bandwagon, I hadn't seen a tally so I didnt know I was third, nor that there was a bandwagon.

To andres, I'm short on time and considering withdrawing due exams. Is there any possibility you could arange a replacement?

Night 2- Conclusion.


The tourists and villagers went back to their respective shelters, most of them shocked by the scene of shlin28's lynching.

GeneralHankerchief was at the bar in his hotel, having a drink with several other villagers. As the night continued, and more alcohol was being consumed, the general mood changed and people started to party. While dancing with a local beauty, GeneralHankerchief spilled his Wodka-Martini all over his shirt.

He apologised to the lady and quickly went to his room, to use the bathroom and get another shirt. While he was looking in his closet for a shirt, a well dressed man, a fibre wire in his hand, grabbed the General, aimed under his adam's apple and garrotted him. GeneralHankerchief didn't make a sound while slowly dieing, his last thoughts going to the local beauty he just met a couple of minutes ago...

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makaikhaan went out for a walk in the village of Taormina.

While thinking about what happened the last few days, he came near the funivia.

All of the sudden, he fell down, after having received a hard knock on his head. A bit later, he woke up, finding himself tied up on one of the funivia's cabines, hanging upside down, twenty meters above the ground.

"Why do you hate my family?"

"Huh? Hey man, come on, untie me, this is dangerous! Are you crazy?" makaikhaan screamed.

"Well, some people indeed call me crazy. But I'll untie you, makaikhaan."

The strange man cut the ropes and makaikhaan fell down. makaikhaan died on impact. His killer grinned.

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Hiji was in his hotelroom. Last night, the nightmares came back. The former marine didn't want to go through this hell. He grabbed his pistol and shot himself in the head.

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In another hotel, strange sounds could be heard, coming out of a locked room.

"Aw! That hurts!"

The voice of an angel could be heard. "Come on honey, you wanted to look female. All body hear has to go... Ah, now you look female, darling. Just let me attach these thingies on your nostrils and we can start."

"Crazy woman! I said no electric shocks! Please!"

"You'll like it."

The buzzing sound and the screams for more, more, more,... kept going for several hours.

"I told you you would like it!"

"Hey, come back! I want more electro shocks! Please!"

"Bye sweetheart!"

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Day 2

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Taormina - Giardino Publico - 7 a.m.

"Good morning ladies and gentleman," an unshaven Pino greeted the crowd. "I have some bad news."

"We found the body of GeneralHankerchief in his room. It seems like he was strangled. Nobody heard or saw the assasination, probably because of the big party that was going on in the bar. Also, we found makaikhaan's body, at least, what was left of it. Also, we found Hiji's body. The little note we found next to him suggests that he couldn't take the stress anymore and thus he decided to end his life. It seems like we still have some individuals with bad intentions among us, so I suggest you all start voting again."

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Alive (33)

Ichigo
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Yaropolk
Caius
Sarathos
Beefy187
Zorg
Glenn
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
The Stranger
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Kukrikhan
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
TwilightBlade
AntiWarmanCake
Hiji
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat


Killed (3)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan

Lynched (1)
shlin28

WoG'ed (0)

Suicide (1)

Hiji

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It's now day, so you can start voting. No RL obligations the common day, so we're back on normal 24 hour phases. Voting will end on Monday +/- 22h00 (GMT +2)

Vote:00jebus

His reason for voting me last round seemed like something he just pulled out his hat to vote someone.

Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane
I have a feeling that at least one of the mafiosi is a veteran player.

Would whoever got blocked reveal themselves please?

From the kills it seems the two mafias made kills, so that leaves Manfred, Juliette and the black clocked man, which means if you speak up, we know at least you won't be one of the three mafia :yes:

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I would have to agree at least one veteran player. GH is always a target in the early round and a threat to any mafia. A definite town loss.
No vote yet.

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I would have to agree at least one veteran player. GH is always a target in the early round and a threat to any mafia. A definite town loss.
No vote yet.

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Same, I'll wait for a moment before I actually vote.