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Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again:
And I already asked to come up with an example of such an expert but until now you have failed to do so.
I never said he was not an expert. I simply said that I did not need to see a repeat of his opinion which I (as well as do many experts) disagree wtih.
Originally Posted by Lemur:
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Advice to other Orgahs: If someone is behaving in a troll-like manner, best option is to ignore him or her. Without an audience, such people usually alter their behavior or go away.
I was disrespectful, insulting, dishonest, and rather than simply saying "I disagree" accused EVERYONE who disagreed with me of being either corrupt or partisan wackos...did I mention Communist-Imperialist-Nazis?
EDIT: oh yeah, and trolls! Sorry Lemmy, but your behavior on this thread has been despicable. I am pulling out for the night.
Another take on what Pelosi knew.
Pelosi says waterboarding was never mentioned. And the CIA document, which specifically mentions waterboarding in a later briefing given to Pat Roberts and Jay Rockefeller, doesn't say it was brought up in the Pelosi meeting, even though Zubaydah had been waterboarded dozens of times by then.
Greg Sargent seems to think this means Pelosi is probably telling the truth. Waterboarding a guy 80 times isn't something that just slips your mind, after all, so the fact that it's not mentioned probably means Pelosi was never briefed about it.
Unfortunately, I suspect we'll simply never know for sure — although Sam Stein reports today that a senior aide to another member of Congress says that waterboarding was never mentioned at other briefings held around the same time.
I really don't trust anyone involved to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I'm increasingly of the opinion that some sort of independent truth commission (with full subpoena power) is the only way to go.
Things are altogether too "heated" for the moment. A cooling off period is hereby enacted.