Dragon Age: Origins gameplay and discussion thread.

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Originally Posted by Zenicetus

Also true, but I think it's part of a larger problem with most RPG's. The game world and NPC interactions don't track your character's progress from a kid fresh off the farm, to a demigod by the end of the game.

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Other RPGs didn't promise better, that's why it's irksome in DA:O. They said that your choice of origin will influence the way you experience the world and have repercussions throughout the game. That's supposed to be the whole attraction of the origin system.

I am definitely finding that my city elf is getting a much more tailored experience. Humans calling him knife ears or other degrading names, sneering at him for being a racial inferior, or patronising him as an elf who is working hard to better himself and be almost as good as a human.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Thanks for the info frog, any information on whether they'll be fixing the effects staying on dead bodies? (i.e. ice, paralysis etc)

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Not sure. Xbox and PC have different patches and schedules. There's been 1 PC patch already and nothing for the xbox; I haven't seen any confirmation that they're looking into any of the minor yet annoying issues with the console version.

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Just finished Nature of the Beast and Leliana sang a song at camp after that. I was wondering if anyone knew what exactly was she singing? I have the subtitle option on, but I couldn't see any lyrics, elvish or otherwise....

Its called "Leliana's Song" in the soundtrack that came with the collector's. I think its sung in Welsh (?) just like other songs by that artist.

Lyrics?

It's become my favourite moment in the game as yet...They could've used it for something more momentous, but, anyhow, it's very nice, and atmospheric; The way they show the companions one by one.

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Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

I am definitely finding that my city elf is getting a much more tailored experience. Humans calling him knife ears or other degrading names, sneering at him for being a racial inferior, or patronising him as an elf who is working hard to better himself and be almost as good as a human.

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Weird, I don't get much of that with my elf mage. Mostly he's just addressed as "Warden" with a degree of deference from most NPC's. I wonder if there are some alignment triggers there, since I'm playing this as a mostly neutral character leaning a bit towards the good or unselfish side when it comes to the major plot choices.

Are you playing your city elf with evil/selfish dialog choices? Or maybe it's tied to the non-Mage origin story for elves?

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I just found sandal (the enchanter dwarf) in a tower near the end of the game bloodied and surrounded by piles of darks spawn. Blimey if he did that I wonder if I can recruit him into my party.

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Originally Posted by Greyblades

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I just found sandal (the enchanter dwarf) in a tower near the end of the game bloodied and surrounded by piles of darks spawn. Blimey if he did that I wonder if I can recruit him into my party.

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That was a rather amusing moment, I thought.

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"Sandal! What in the world happened here?"
"ENCHANTMENT!"

I don't think I'll ever look at him in the same light again.

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Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

Other RPGs didn't promise better, that's why it's irksome in DA:O. They said that your choice of origin will influence the way you experience the world and have repercussions throughout the game. That's supposed to be the whole attraction of the origin system.

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Been playing Dalish Elf for a bit and I see no anti-Elven reactions so far, compared to what I'd expect from pre-release info. Also, apart from a templar taking notice of Morrigan in Lothering, I haven't seen anyone reacting negatively to me having an apostate in my party. Although it was refreshing seeing people in Lothering reacting somewhat negatively to me having Sten in party.

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I also did not pick up Blood magic abilities from Warden's Keep DLC, as I thought that would come back to haunt me (due to blood magic being diabolical). And reading about people playing Mages who face no negativity when going Blood Mage specialization, well it detracts from the whole experience so to say. I expected that Blood Magic would be powerful, but that you'd face problems with Chantry & Templars/Alistair if you used it.

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Originally Posted by india

Lyrics?

It's become my favourite moment in the game as yet...They could've used it for something more momentous, but, anyhow, it's very nice, and atmospheric; The way they show the companions one by one.

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No idea on lyrics. I liked how it showed the other companions, but I found Leliana's mouth to not synch well with the words. They could have done that part better in my opinion.
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And regarding Sandal...I had vivid mental images of him bashing darkspawn with enchanting tools while gleefully yelling "Enchantment!!" Although I wondered where Bodahn went off to and actually looked around the corpses to see if he was among them.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Its called "Leliana's Song" in the soundtrack that came with the collector's. I think its sung in Welsh (?) just like other songs by that artist.

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That and the "good" ending to the werewolf saga are what saved the game for me. I am very impressed.

Also, for the most part I notice that this is a "finished" product.

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Originally Posted by Monk

That was a rather amusing moment, I thought.

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"Sandal! What in the world happened here?"
"ENCHANTMENT!"

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I was a bit horrified when I first saw him there. I was genuinely scared that something terrible was going to happen. Plus, my first instinct was "Where's daddy...?" :inquisitive: I thought there was going to be another betrayal. :help:

I'm still in the grey warden quest area after the origin section. Part of the attitude came from Cailen with his patronising, ignorant comments about the alienages and his "Jolly good show, an elf trying to be a real warrior!" attitude. I didn't get that as a Dalish elf; in that origin he garbled on about their ancient traditions and honour in a respectful manner.

You know the bits of conversation you can overhear from NPCs? There's been the odd line like that too; random soldiers walking about and muttering things behind my back. From the comments here it looks like I shouldn't expect this to continue into the other areas :sigh:

I think Dalish elves get a bit more respect. They've got the mystical semi-legendary woodland folk thing going for them. City elves are one step above slaves, even the Dalish hold them in mild contempt as folk who surrendered their birthright to save thier skins.

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Originally Posted by Zenicetus

Are you playing your city elf with evil/selfish dialog choices?

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I'm no good at playing evil characters, I end up feeling guilty. My character's pragmatic and rather blunt in dialogue. I'll help but I don't want the 6 hour story and there'd better be a reward ... unless you're being oppressed by humans in which case I'm there for free. If the humans think this elf is going to bleed for their benefit then they're sadly mistaken.

Landsmeet and the ending will be fun. :devilish:

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Or maybe it's tied to the non-Mage origin story for elves?

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The mage will take precedence over the elf. Origin -> race.

Personally, I find the Mage origin to be very excellent. It ties directly into what happened at Redcliff Castle, and teaches you that

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the only one you can trust in the game is yourself.

I consider the Mage origin in my top three origin stories, next to Dwarf Noble (oh lawdy, I do loves me some political intrigue), and the City Elf (racial segregation and social class differences... among other things).

I consider the Human Noble to be the worst of the bunch that I've played (haven't done the Dwarf Commoner or Dalish Elf origins yet).

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Get betrayed in the middle of the night and kill your way out of the castle. BOOOORING. At least it makes up for it with an alternate ending choice.

In my Mage playthrough, I became a total jerk. I chose all the "bad" allies, but in doing so

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Leliana, Shale, and Wynne all went hostile and I had to put them down like the rabid dogs that they were. Except for Shale, they will not be missed.

I have to say, listening to what the Guardian had to say was quite interesting, I'm looking forward to my next playthrough with different characters.

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Has anyone defated the dragon thats outside? I gave it a go and got squashed pretty quick, I think ranged attacks are the way to go. I don't really need to fight it anymore since I got the ashes, but it looks like quite the challenge, I wonder if you get anything for defeating it.

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Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae

Personally, I find the Mage origin to be very excellent. It ties directly into what happened at Redcliff Castle, and teaches you that

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the only one you can trust in the game is yourself.

I consider the Mage origin in my top three origin stories, next to Dwarf Noble (oh lawdy, I do loves me some political intrigue), and the City Elf (racial segregation and social class differences... among other things).

I consider the Human Noble to be the worst of the bunch that I've played (haven't done the Dwarf Commoner or Dalish Elf origins yet).

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Get betrayed in the middle of the night and kill your way out of the castle. BOOOORING. At least it makes up for it with an alternate ending choice.

In my Mage playthrough, I became a total jerk. I chose all the "bad" allies, but in doing so

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Leliana, Shale, and Wynne all went hostile and I had to put them down like the rabid dogs that they were. Except for Shale, they will not be missed.

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(spoilers for the mage origin - froggy)

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I didn't go along with Jowan, I grassed them up to the First Enchanter, rofl.

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Originally Posted by Mailman653

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Has anyone defated the dragon thats outside? I gave it a go and got squashed pretty quick, I think ranged attacks are the way to go. I don't really need to fight it anymore since I got the ashes, but it looks like quite the challenge, I wonder if you get anything for defeating it.

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Use a tank (preferably Alistair or Shale) that has Threaten on, and three ranged specialists (MC with bow or staff, Wynne, and Morrigan are my preferred group). Make sure that one or more of your mages have Force Shield and plenty of lyrium potions. Have your tank run in with Threaten on, and grab the attention of the dragon. Once you do, cast Force Shield on your tank. If you don't, your tank is vulnerable to the instant-kill attack by the dragon. Have your ranged specialists fire on the dragon (make sure your mages don't have any damage-dealing tactics, or you'll burn mana that's more needed for Force Shield). Once Force Shield is down, cast it again. If one of your mages (read: Morrigan) has Cone of Cold, use it. It will paralyze the dragon for a few seconds. Keep doing all of this until it is down, and you'll be able to get your reward: dragon scales (turn into Wade's Emporium for a very nice set of dragonbone armor) and an achievement.

Dragon:

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Have a warrior with shield wall and lots of healing potions. After a while the dragon goes down really.
Make sure you are always at least at 90% health, that way his grab attack won't kill you.
That is of course you have a decent level by the time you fight it. I did with 17-18.
My own party died instantly pretty much but my warrior 1v1'd it pretty easily.

Just finished all the origin stories. Pretty interesting overall, but human noble is still my favorite followed by dwarf noble and dalish elf (mainly for the dialogue). Mage and the other 3 weren't all that bad either. City elf just seemed to have endless fighting in it...

Ahem:

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Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

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However small you think the spoiler is, show consideration for your fellow org members and use the tags!
Mark the spoiler with a brief spoiler free description so people can tell whether they have seen that part of the game yet!

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Dragon:

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Have a warrior with shield wall and lots of healing potions. After a while the dragon goes down really.
Make sure you are always at least at 90% health, that way his grab attack won't kill you.
That is of course you have a decent level by the time you fight it. I did with 17-18.
My own party died instantly pretty much but my warrior 1v1'd it pretty easily.

Just finished all the origin stories. Pretty interesting overall, but human noble is still my favorite followed by dwarf noble and dalish elf (mainly for the dialogue). Mage and the other 3 weren't all that bad either. City elf just seemed to have endless fighting in it...

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I feel the same way about Dalish :laugh4:, but to each their own.

Nearing the end of my second playthrough.. have to say I am severely disappointed this go around.

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Major plot spoilers on Denerim, the Landsmeet, Queen Anora and the potential ending of the game.

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Ever since my first go through, the point where you rescue Anora really hooked me in. Her betrayal really made me wanna gut her, I just risked my hide, killed the Arl and sprung her - then gave her a chance to show Loghain's commander that her boss was into some crazy stuff and she betrays me!

As Zevron so elegantly put it in this go through "I'm still waiting for a reason not to slit her throat and dump her body in the river. I've yet to hear it, by the way." Even after I told her I'm not supporting her (as i did last time) She just gave me frowny face and said she'd back Alistair if it must come to that. Of course.. I have my doubts and fully expect her to betray me at the Landsmeet. I am.. sorely itching to give this woman what she truly deserves, but the game is just not letting me do so. Like it's standing there wagging its finger disapprovingly.

Can anyone tell me if I'm gonna have the chance to kill her? Please say yes. ~:(

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No, the best that can happen is her getting locked up in a tower. But that only works if Alistair also survives the archdemon

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

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No, the best that can happen is her getting locked up in a tower. But that only works if Alistair also survives the archdemon

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More on the adventures of an angry warden, Queen Anora and the Landsmeet!

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Yes I seem to have passed the Landsmeet and see what you mean. I basically said something needs to be done and it sorta went like this.

Alistair: Do something? Like what? Kill her? I can't do that!
Me: I can!
Arl: She needs to be dealt with
Me: I can totally kill her guys, seriously. We can kill her together it'll be fun!
Arl: If she does not swear fealty to you Alistair she is a threat to the nation!
Me: Are you two listening? Come on you saw how easily I just killed Loghain.
Alistair: Lock her in the tower!
Me: ~:(

And wow. Alistair, man. Not cool! Spoilers on the ending of the Al romance path.

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I failed the persuasion check and couldn't get on the throne, so Alistair dumped my girl warden in front of all our friends right before we left to fight the blight. What a :daisy: move :laugh4:

After a little research.. it looks like if you put Alistair forward as king and have a romance with him, unless you chose the "Human Noble" origin there's no way to rule beside him. More than a bit disappointing, but interesting to see plot threads altered due to what origin you chose

Re: High Dragon

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Originally Posted by Kekvit Irae

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Use a tank (preferably Alistair or Shale) that has Threaten on, and three ranged specialists (MC with bow or staff, Wynne, and Morrigan are my preferred group). Make sure that one or more of your mages have Force Shield and plenty of lyrium potions. Have your tank run in with Threaten on, and grab the attention of the dragon. Once you do, cast Force Shield on your tank. If you don't, your tank is vulnerable to the instant-kill attack by the dragon. Have your ranged specialists fire on the dragon (make sure your mages don't have any damage-dealing tactics, or you'll burn mana that's more needed for Force Shield). Once Force Shield is down, cast it again. If one of your mages (read: Morrigan) has Cone of Cold, use it. It will paralyze the dragon for a few seconds. Keep doing all of this until it is down, and you'll be able to get your reward: dragon scales (turn into Wade's Emporium for a very nice set of dragonbone armor) and an achievement.

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I did the dragon with pretty much this exact strategy, although I couldn't keep the dragon's attention on Alistair all the time. Occasionally it would disengage and attack one of the damage dealers and I had to switch control and manually run the damage dealer out of harm's way, or cast Force Shield on him/her. Force Shielding the dragon is also a good move if you need a breather. Also, the dragon's grab attack isn't insta-kill; you can still Force Shield and save the target while the dragon is tossing it around.

My party was at level 10-11 when I did this, it was very very painful and took like half a dozen retries.

Second play-through finished, City Elf and Human Noble origins have been taken to the epilogue. I elected, after reading a spoiler earlier in the thread, to not take Alistair with me in the final battle.

Spoilers, Final battle, ect. Ending of the game. You know the drill.

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The last time I did this I accepted Morrigan's offer, this time I refused and made Alistair in charge of the rear-guard so he couldn't hog the glory and kill himself. Honestly I didn't do it cuz i wanted my warden to die, I just didn't want that :daisy: Anora getting the throne back when he died. I took Shale (tank) Wynne and Leliana with me to the roof for the final battle and had my elf make the ultimate sacrifice. The ending that followed was... somehow much more complete and satisfying than making the deal and living.

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Very dramatic, father made into a noble, Elves getting equal stake in society, all because of my warden's sacrifice who is getting a grand tomb erected for her at the fortress outside of Fereldan. (the main Warden HQ, i forget the name.) I even got a statue.

:2thumbsup:

Now. What origin to play this time? :laugh4:

I would suggest Dwarven noble. It has been fun for me so far, better than the human noble in my opinion, Politics and family matters are interesting and

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you can order people to be assassinated/executed so thats a plus.

Morrigan seems to tease and prod most party members. These two conversations with Sten are pretty fun and Sten seems to know how to make her quiet in a non-violent way.

Morrigan & Sten part 1
Morrigan & Sten part 2

Testing out two different rogues and a mage as well now. This playthrough I'm not taking Sten & Leliana along, and no Morrigan on Mage playthrough.

End game. Morrigan.

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Took me a while to figure out that I had to use the ballista to kill the archdemon. But then, the ballista jammed. Barely made it out alive out of that fight.
Well, didn't actually, I chose to sacrifice the character. Liked the epilogue fine, save the bit about Morrigan. I had been hoping that they'll let out a little more about what happens with her.....I mean the romance ending with Morrigan is....just unsatisfactory.
Going to give it a rest now, for some days, before I begin a new game. Planning to try warrior once again, this time with dual wield.
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Loved the bit about Sten in the epilogue, could almost picture him saying it.

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Originally Posted by india

End game. Morrigan.

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Took me a while to figure out that I had to use the ballista to kill the archdemon. But then, the ballista jammed. Barely made it out alive out of that fight.
Well, didn't actually, I chose to sacrifice the character. Liked the epilogue fine, save the bit about Morrigan. I had been hoping that they'll let out a little more about what happens with her.....I mean the romance ending with Morrigan is....just unsatisfactory.
Going to give it a rest now, for some days, before I begin a new game. Planning to try warrior once again, this time with dual wield.
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Loved the bit about Sten in the epilogue, could almost picture him saying it.

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On Morrigan's ending and a few bits on Sten:

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I smell a sequel! Or at least further DLC, perhaps a new campaign - It's just begging for it and nearly every DA forum i've looked at is already speculating about it.

As for Sten - I laughed when i first read his bit. I agree, very well done in his regard. :yes:

On an unrelated and less spoiltastic note, Dwarven Noble is amazing fun as an origin. I mean wow. It may have just stolen the top spot for me, and if it didn't it came very close.

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Originally Posted by Monk

On an unrelated and less spoiltastic note, Dwarven Noble is amazing fun as an origin.

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Yup. It's nicely different to the run of the mill RPG conventions. Did you

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speak to the noble and the scholar outside the palace doors, side with the scholar and then order the noble executed publicly for causing a scene?

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Originally Posted by frogbeastegg

Yup. It's nicely different to the run of the mill RPG conventions. Did you

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speak to the noble and the scholar outside the palace doors, side with the scholar and then order the noble executed publicly for causing a scene?

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:laugh4:

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No. I actually took the 'compromise'.

I told the scholar that honor and the Paragons' reputation was far more important than whatever truths history might hold. He wasn't happy about it, but he was thankful for not getting killed in the streets.

Stumbled by pure chance over the fact that 1.01b is out for the PC now. Not sure what the difference to 1.01a is but I installed it and it runs.

They really need a better system of informing people regarding updates, like having an autoupdater in the launcher or so.

Ran into a bug in a new playthrough btw:

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Went to Lothering, but figured I should rpobably go to Denerim first before doing anything since I wanted the Archivist belt that increased XP from codex by 50%. So I just did some small quests and off I went to camp first. Bought some stuff and sold DLC items I didn't need. Then went to Denerim, did some minor things and returned to Lothering.
After finishing Lothering (except Sten, because I want to train my persuade up first) and going to Camp I found that Bodahn had the same wares as if I had never met him before. As in he even restocked that skill tome I bought! Also, all my companion convos in Camp suggested I was never in Camp. Total deja-vu!

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Ran into a bug in a new playthrough btw:

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Went to Lothering, but figured I should rpobably go to Denerim first before doing anything since I wanted the Archivist belt that increased XP from codex by 50%. So I just did some small quests and off I went to camp first. Bought some stuff and sold DLC items I didn't need. Then went to Denerim, did some minor things and returned to Lothering.
After finishing Lothering (except Sten, because I want to train my persuade up first) and going to Camp I found that Bodahn had the same wares as if I had never met him before. As in he even restocked that skill tome I bought! Also, all my companion convos in Camp suggested I was never in Camp. Total deja-vu!

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Re: Sten

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Be careful you don't do too much before going back to pick him up. I left it too late and Lothering had been destroyed by the blight -Sten too!

I had done the Redclife village, Redclife castle & circle of mages quest sections aswell as both Shale & Warden's keep DLC bits though. Not sure at what point it was deemed I'd left it too long, but I'm assuming the event trigger would be tied to main quest achievemnets... maybe even the CGI cutscenes.

Apparently, you can pick him up easily enough without persuade if you either:
1. Pick the lock (not sure how people in Lothering respond to that)
2. Have Leliana in the party (you may still need some persuade for this to work)

Finished the game. Overall I'm not sure whether I'm disappointed or not.

The game was advertised as the new Baldur's Gate, and well, it fails to deliver. Hard.
That, and the role playing part of the game is still very much Black&White (TM). Some dialogue options don't make sense at all.
Furthermore the whole "original fantasy setting inspired by G Martin's books" is a total fail. Sure, there are some original stuffs, such as the way dwarves and elves are regarded, but that's about it. At no point during the game I thought something like "Wow, that's cool" or "Really nice plot here". And the way the supposedly grimdark universe and useless gore are down on your throat is silly as hell. Please Bioware, do not do that anymore, ever.

But, the game looked so terribad in the trailers that I have to give it credit for being quite decent, or even good, despite many flaws. It still doesn't replace BG2 in my earth, but it was fun, though honestly less fun than NWN2+MotB.

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Re: Sten

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Be careful you don't do too much before going back to pick him up. I left it too late and Lothering had been destroyed by the blight -Sten too!

I had done the Redclife village, Redclife castle & circle of mages quest sections aswell as both Shale & Warden's keep DLC bits though. Not sure at what point it was deemed I'd left it too long, but I'm assuming the event trigger would be tied to main quest achievemnets... maybe even the CGI cutscenes.

Apparently, you can pick him up easily enough without persuade if you either:
1. Pick the lock (not sure how people in Lothering respond to that)
2. Have Leliana in the party (you may still need some persuade for this to work)

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Yeah I think its doing 2 main quests that destroys Lothering.
I got him with Lel in my first playthrough, but I wanted my PC to be able to sway the Mother this time around, just to see how the dialogue differs ~:)

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The game was advertised as the new Baldur's Gate, and well, it fails to deliver. Hard.
That, and the role playing part of the game is still very much Black&White (TM). Some dialogue options don't make sense at all.
Furthermore the whole "original fantasy setting inspired by G Martin's books" is a total fail. Sure, there are some original stuffs, such as the way dwarves and elves are regarded, but that's about it. At no point during the game I thought something like "Wow, that's cool" or "Really nice plot here". And the way the supposedly grimdark universe and useless gore are down on your throat is silly as hell. Please Bioware, do not do that anymore, ever.

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I'm not finished with the game yet, so I'll have to wait and see what the ending is like before commenting, but so far I do feel like DA:O is worthy of being ranked with Baldur's Gate in the RPG Hall of Fame. No, the game does not have quite the same number of dialog options as, say, PS:T or FO1/2, but I do feel it's on-par with the BG series. There are a lot of different sides to take, a lot of morally ambiguous choices to make, and the game allows you to justify your actions in ways which are far, far more varied than most RPGs ever allow.

I'm particularly impressed as well with how this game has handled two subjects that have been almost totally taboo in gaming: homosexuality and mental handicaps. The game is very up-front about the former, and the adopted dwarf sidekick of the merchant in your camp is extremely visible for the latter. Not even PS:T or FO delved into these areas much at all. Even the high-controversial Mass Effect female-alien romance option was handled with gloves by saying the alien wasn't actual female, but was both genders. Bioware should be applauded, IMHO, for handling the romance options in DA:O the way they did.

The battles are very tactical in nature and remind me greatly of the BG series (I am doing a TON of reloading, and that's just in normal difficulty). The character classes can use a bit of polishing, but all in all its not too bad. The DA universe may not be George Martin, but it's certainly a nice change of pace from the usual Forgotten Realms setting, and I'm interested to see them explore it more. I'm also very impressed with the amount of dialog and backstory that we're provided with. This isn't a Bethsoft game, where every NPC reply is 5 words long. There are some meaty conversations in this game, and that doesn't even include the monstrous Codex entries, which are very interesting to read.

Again, I'm not done with the game yet, so this is still a 'tentative' review, but so far this game gets two thumbs up for me. If it continues the way it has been so far, I do expect to end up ranking this game up there with the BG series. Keep in mind that this is just the first game in a planned series. It would be inappropriate to compare DA:O to BG/TotSC/BG2/ToB. To get a proper comparison, you should compare DA:O to BG1 vanilla. On that level, I might even put DA:O over the top.

DA:O is the subject of this week's Zero Punctuation. I have to agree with a lot he says, including the part about playing for 25 hours and liking the game even though you're complaining a lot. "Dragon Age is not dark fantasy, nor is it light grey, caffeine free or avocado fantasy. It's just straight fantasy classic." :yes:

I'm going to take a break from DA for a bit. Assassin's Creed II should arrive tomorrow, and I could use a change of virtual scenery.

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II'm particularly impressed as well with how this game has handled two subjects that have been almost totally taboo in gaming: homosexuality and mental handicaps. The game is very up-front about the former, and the adopted dwarf sidekick of the merchant in your camp is extremely visible for the latter. Not even PS:T or FO delved into these areas much at all. Even the high-controversial Mass Effect female-alien romance option was handled with gloves by saying the alien wasn't actual female, but was both genders. Bioware should be applauded, IMHO, for handling the romance options in DA:O the way they did.

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I guess you missed the anal sex scene in Final Fantasy VII.

Anyway, I believe this is more a result of their "dark" *yawn* motif. Incorporating realistic and morally flexible options. I hate to think that the incorporation of "controversial" content is a path designers will take to produce the next epic.

Besides, everyone knows elves are bi. :clown:

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DA:O is the subject of this week's Zero Punctuation. I have to agree with a lot he says, including the part about playing for 25 hours and liking the game even though you're complaining a lot. "Dragon Age is not dark fantasy, nor is it light grey, caffeine free or avocado fantasy. It's just straight fantasy classic." :yes:

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My biggest complaint so far is the camera interface. On the PC version, there's a 'top down' camera angle, which is a nice throw-back to the IE games. It's a major improvement over NWN, but it still has some issues:

1) It doesn't zoom out quite far enough. Another few clicks of the mousewheel would have been nice.
2) There is no intermediate step between the furthest back 'third person' view and the top-down view. That shift is a huge one, and there are plenty of times when I wish I was somewhere in between.
3) The third person camera doesn't allow for easy pathfinding in a lot of places that high tight passageways. It's annoying to have to click all over the place just to find a spot that works.

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Anyway, I believe this is more a result of their "dark" *yawn* motif. Incorporating realistic and morally flexible options. I hate to think that the incorporation of "controversial" content is a path designers will take to produce the next epic.

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That alone does not make a good game, but dealing with mature subject matter in a mature manner certainly helps to make the game itself more mature. The somewhat extreme (for the time) nature of the Fallout games is one of the things most often cited when they are praised as paragons (HA!) of the RPG world. It would seem strange to give praise to FO for that, but deny it to DA:O for the same thing.

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Yeah I think its doing 2 main quests that destroys Lothering.
I got him with Lel in my first playthrough, but I wanted my PC to be able to sway the Mother this time around, just to see how the dialogue differs ~:)

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I believe this is incorrect. Completing a single ally quest appears to destroy Lothering. That's what you get for going on a road trip in a blight, doofus.

Lemur

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This time around I have done just about all the locales except for the final part that triggers the alliance proper. So much for roadtrip :grin:

Got a problem with Leliana with my Dalish female elf this time though

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For some reason I simply cannot get her personal quest to trigger (i.e. talk about bards/spies). I got her chantry talk and 2 romance talks and her influence on 92 and on adore, but no option to talk about bards...I can even get her to tell me stories.
Tried camping a lot. Doesn't do it either.

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Stumbled by pure chance over the fact that 1.01b is out for the PC now. Not sure what the difference to 1.01a is but I installed it and it runs.

They really need a better system of informing people regarding updates, like having an autoupdater in the launcher or so.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I'm particularly impressed as well with how this game has handled two subjects that have been almost totally taboo in gaming: homosexuality and mental handicaps. The game is very up-front about the former, and the adopted dwarf sidekick of the merchant in your camp is extremely visible for the latter. Not even PS:T or FO delved into these areas much at all. Even the high-controversial Mass Effect female-alien romance option was handled with gloves by saying the alien wasn't actual female, but was both genders. Bioware should be applauded, IMHO, for handling the romance options in DA:O the way they did.

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My male dwarf commoner rogue er, enjoyed, a "massage" from Zevran last night. Worse, I got the "Easy Lover" achievement for it....

oh man, that is so corny.

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Zevran is also the only NPC to have fallen for my diminutive avatar, depsite me pestering Morrigan and Leliana as much as possible.

I've had Morrigan in my party consistently (only just killed Flemeth though) and admitedely not ever used Leliana but I've been gifting them and exhausting all avenues of discussion -apparently to no avail.

Any hints?

Gifts? There are afew gifts in the game that some characters want more than the others.

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For example sten realy likes paintings for some reason.:inquisitive:

After spending more than one hour trying to improve my influence with all my party members, I left the game to discover that my gf had been spamming me over MSN for all that time.

Alistair approves (+4)
Girlfriend disapproves (-10) :laugh4:

I'm still somewhat baffled by the way influence works, especially with Morrigan. You can lose 10 influence by simply asking a question and then gain 7 or so even though it looks like you're annoying her.
As for Sten, he's so annoying I'm not sure I want to improve my relations with him during this second playthrough. I don't feel like going through half a billion of "No."'s once again. First time ever I feel like a video game character is making fun of me.

Sten is quite interesting. At the start, you get mainly +1-+3, with chances of big minuses.
Once you get him to around 25 influence via gifts, you can raise his influence by 15+ with each dialogue.

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I'm still somewhat baffled by the way influence works, especially with Morrigan. You can lose 10 influence by simply asking a question and then gain 7 or so even though it looks like you're annoying her.

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Because you are asking her why she is here and why won't she go. She sees it as an insult.

In short:
"Why are YOU here Meneldil? Don't you have some where else better to go?"

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Sten is quite interesting. At the start, you get mainly +1-+3, with chances of big minuses.
Once you get him to around 25 influence via gifts, you can raise his influence by 15+ with each dialogue.

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In the first two dialogues you have with him laugh at his "jokes", you get +8 each time. Also when he says he can't report back to his homeland tell him "Well, you can stay with us then" for a +12 boost. That should push you very close to the 25 mark, if not hit it.

An example:

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What were you doing in that cage?
Sitting. As you observed.
Ha ha. Very funny.
Thank you.
Just give me an answer.
I did. We should move on.

Sten approves +8 ~D

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Yeah, I got the stay with us part, I never managed to get the sitting part right. I thought Haha very funny would alienate him :grin:

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Yeah, I got the stay with us part, I never managed to get the sitting part right. I thought Haha very funny would alienate him :grin:

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I thought that at first too, but apparently (where Sten is concerend) all the parts where you compliment his sense of humor are meant as serious. Or at least he takes them as serious comments, maybe he just doesn't understand Sarcasm? :laugh4:

Telling Sten he's funny is the best way to get his approval rating up, barring gifts and his companion quest.

I found Sten one of the most interesting characters....I mean he was done far better than the Krogan in ME.
Morrigan was nice and mysterious, but I found Sten better.

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I can never forget what he liks most about Ferelden.....Cookies?! :laugh4:
"You have these small sweet things here, we have no name for it...."
"....Something must be done about that"
And the scene with the dog, at the camp. Sten was the only companion who actually took a fancy to the dog.

Edit :
Sequel-

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Somehow I feel that the child they mentioned at the end, that Morrigan was carrying, will play a big part. Maybe the villen.....
And the brother, Fergus, I don't know why, but his coming back at the very end makes me think he'll be there too, again.

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I found Sten one of the most interesting characters....I mean he was done far better than the Krogan in ME.
Morrigan was nice and mysterious, but I found Sten better.

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I can never forget what he liks most about Ferelden.....Cookies?! :laugh4:
"You have these small sweet things here, we have no name for it...."
"....Something must be done about that"
And the scene with the dog, at the camp. Sten was the only companion who actually took a fancy to the dog.

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I disagree, but I am heavily biased. Wrex is my all time favorite Bioware character, but I do like Sten.

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He strikes me as Canderous (from KOTOR) without all the war stories, he's definitely a man out of place in Fereldan. The scene with Dog was priceless, however, I never would have expected Sten to bond with him. If you recover the Qunari's sword, they have more dialogue together.

As for Morrigan:

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What is even more interesting is if you don't agree to the deal.

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She leaves and heads to Orlais, managing to join the court of the Empress.

I think its safe to say no matter what ends up as the canonical ending for DA:O (or if they take a ME2 route, now THAT i'd love to see!) Morrigan will play a big role in the sequel.

Morrigan

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Huh Orlais? I thought that was Leliana? Morrigan (even without Ritual) always ends up seen somewhere and then disappearing with child. During that playthrough, my main was romantically involved with her and I tried both ritual and no ritual with same ending.

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As for Morrigan:

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What is even more interesting is if you don't agree to the deal.

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She leaves and heads to Orlais, managing to join the court of the Empress.

I think its safe to say no matter what ends up as the canonical ending for DA:O (or if they take a ME2 route, now THAT i'd love to see!) Morrigan will play a big role in the sequel.

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I did some relaoding of old saves, and Morrigan's ending is always the same. If you did not kill Flemeth, I think it says that Morrigan was killed or something. If you did kill Flemeth, it will always be that she went and vanished in the mountains and was never heard from again, though someone of her description was seen with a child, rumoured to be that of the Grey Warden himself.

Most mysteriously, at the very end, if you let Alister kill the dragon, you reach the court and are talking with all your companions and everything, then, right behind Sten, there is this fox kind of animal, looking ALOT like the thing into which Morrigan turns, as she leaves Redcliffe castle at night, once you refuse her offer......I tried to talk to it, but it seemed to just stand there and do nothing.....Did anyone else find out what that is?

New DLC announced.

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You get to go back to Ostragar, find the (retard) King's armor, and the dog if you don't already have him. I hope it will be more exciting than WD :-(

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Morrigan

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Huh Orlais? I thought that was Leliana? Morrigan (even without Ritual) always ends up seen somewhere and then disappearing with child. During that playthrough, my main was romantically involved with her and I tried both ritual and no ritual with same ending.

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No It wasn't Leliana, in my last play through Leli simply "disappeared". Probably because I didn't kill her old lover/boss, so I wouldn't be surprised if she's dead.

I coulda swore i saw an addendum to Morrigan's ending, having sacrificed myself as a female warden that said she ended up in the imperial courts. :shrug:

Morrigan

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I'll let you know how it goes this time then. Playing female dalish rogue.

Re DLC

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Well the warmor wouldn't really be worth it I imagine with some many top armors already available and only 2 characters really needing it. Final part of the game is a pushover where you don't need any armor almost as just about everything dies in 1 hit or 2.

As for the dog, anyone already gets it, no? Human noble in origin, rest after Ostagar if you picked the flower.

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Morrigan

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I'll let you know how it goes this time then. Playing female dalish rogue.

Re DLC

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Well the warmor wouldn't really be worth it I imagine with some many top armors already available and only 2 characters really needing it. Final part of the game is a pushover where you don't need any armor almost as just about everything dies in 1 hit or 2.

As for the dog, anyone already gets it, no? Human noble in origin, rest after Ostagar if you picked the flower.

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Please do. It was 5 am afterall, maybe I was seeing things. If so I will gladly retract my statement! :dizzy2:

On the new DLC -

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It's gonna be $5 for another loot crawl, probably shorter or on par with WK. Personally I think I will save my money and stear clear. Unless they release more DLC akin to "stone prisoner" i doubt i will be buying much Dragon Age DLC. A trip back to Ostagar? Yawn..

As someone on RPS said "A chance to get the King's armor? Yes, because his armor worked so well for him, why in the world would I want it?"

edit: also i feel like I am spamming up this thread, time to bury myself in l4d2 for a little bit. Sorry for rapid fire posting! :laugh4:

Have you Sven and Morrigon fans heard the pair of 'wandering around' banters where she (minor spoilers)

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Makes a pass at him, and gets rejected. Then later on he changes his mind and starts listing all the armour she'd need and keeps warning her she's probably going to die, whereupon she loses interest and practically starts running in the opposite direction.

He's such a straightly played character that I couldn't decide if he was serious or not.

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I coulda swore i saw an addendum to Morrigan's ending, having sacrificed myself as a female warden that said she ended up in the imperial courts. :shrug:

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You aren't going mad; I saw that too. It's presence or absence must be determined by your character's gender and ending choice. My female character (ending spoilers)

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rejected the offer and was forced to watch Alistair sacrifice himself because he was in love with my character and wouldn't let her die.

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Have you Sven and Morrigon fans heard the pair of 'wandering around' banters where she (minor spoilers)

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Makes a pass at him, and gets rejected. Then later on he changes his mind and starts listing all the armour she'd need and keeps warning her she's probably going to die, whereupon she loses interest and practically starts running in the opposite direction.

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I linked two Youtube videos showing that earlier in thread :wink:

Playing a Dalish Elf Rogue now and using Alistair as tank. Working like a charm.

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I linked two Youtube videos showing that earlier in thread :wink:

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Heh, is that what they were? I didn't watch them because I'd rather see things play out in-game.

Am I just ignorant or is this the thread to smash the records of concealed content on teh interwebz ?

:smoking:

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Quite likely.

Okay well. Playing as a bad guy is quite annoying.

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Most of the team members leave or keep disagreeing with your behaviour (even Morrigan and Sten complain). You miss out a lot of quests, plot and loot (though you occasionally discover new stuff), which makes the whole thing quite annoying.

The game definitely needs more evil characters, and more evil-oriented quests. BG2 and KoToR IMO offered more choices for evil characters than DA does, which is quite disappointing (though I admit it was also because characters weren't as fleshed out: most neutral characters didn't really care whether you were good or evil).

Funny bug

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I was in the Fade killing the demons that protect the Sloth Demon. Well, I was saving Morrigan and saw her talk to the demon etc....well I killed it and took off its head. I then spoke to Morrigan and the dialogue with the demon started again, execept this time, the demon portraying Felemith had no head.

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Funny bug

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I was in the Fade killing the demons that protect the Sloth Demon. Well, I was saving Morrigan and saw her talk to the demon etc....well I killed it and took off its head. I then spoke to Morrigan and the dialogue with the demon started again, execept this time, the demon portraying Felemith had no head.

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Yes.. that's a very strange bug I've noticed. If you engage in dialogue with your party member at that moment, the scene will repeat. To avoid it you have to wait. :dizzy2:

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Funny bug

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I was in the Fade killing the demons that protect the Sloth Demon. Well, I was saving Morrigan and saw her talk to the demon etc....well I killed it and took off its head. I then spoke to Morrigan and the dialogue with the demon started again, execept this time, the demon portraying Felemith had no head.

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That's because the game has some sort of memory leak in it. If you start it up fresh, you'll notice the corpses will drop loot immediately, and load times are almost instant. However, if you play for an hour or so, these will start to slow to a crawl. That bug is due to the enemy not registering as a corpse yet. Simply wait it out, or save before the battle and exit/reload Dragon Age.



And more tips on fighting the dragon(s):

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In the Mage's Tower ally quest, you'll come across the common room with three statues. As the codex suggests, click on the statue with the bowl first, then the statue with the upheld sword, then the middle statue. Now head to the middle area (with the boss abomination) and click on the statue there after the battle. Now head down to the first floor to where the apprentices Wynne was guarding are and click on the locked door. Fight the demon that appears, and you'll get the Dragonslayer sword.

It's a nice two-handed sword that has a +10 damage against dragons. This REALLY helps when you have Oghren or Sten in your party when you fight the three dragons in the game. To further pump on the damage, add in a few runes and have your mages use Flaming/Frost Weapon spells.

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Just got the golem DLC, I love Shale he's the most hilarious guy in my party.
Poor chicken:laugh4:.

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Just got the golem DLC, I love Shale he's the most hilarious guy in my party.
Poor chicken:laugh4:.

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I love it how she just shrugs. It's like... "What happened?" "I dunno."

And to correct my previous post...

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FOUR dragons, not three. I forgot about the one in the Orzimmar throne room.

Dragon:

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Well if you count the Throne Room "dragon" you have to count the one in the werewolf ruins too..

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I don't have this game but was interested the game comments for a potential future purchase. Alas, this thread has become completely unreadable since I'm avoiding the spoilers. :laugh4:

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I don't have this game but was interested the game comments for a potential future purchase. Alas, this thread has become completely unreadable since I'm avoiding the spoilers. :laugh4:

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You can enjoy the first 5 or so pages, we were pretty heavily into the technical and combat mechanics discussion there.

It's kinda shocking we've taken this to page 10, i fear we've nothing left to talk about except plot spoilers! :laugh4:

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Well if you count the Throne Room "dragon" you have to count the one in the werewolf ruins too..

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Ok, five then. Archdemon, Urn of Sacred Ashes dragon (the only "true" dragon), Flemeth, throne room dragon, werewolf dragon.

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You can enjoy the first 5 or so pages, we were pretty heavily into the technical and combat mechanics discussion there.

It's kinda shocking we've taken this to page 10, i fear we've nothing left to talk about except plot spoilers! :laugh4:

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Yes, it sucks. I can understand hiding major plot spoilers, but the origin stories? Those are prologues! That's like using spoiler tags for talking about a game's trailer or opening cutscene.

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Coach uses a chainsaw against a smoker's tongue to free Ellis.

There is a large difference between "using spoiler tags to hide major plot devices" and "making a thread unreadable and unfun." This thread is now delving dangerously into the latter. But I am no longer a part of this board's moderation, so I have real no say in this matter.

I knew Zathrian's voice sounded familiar, it's Tim Russ from ST:Voyager.
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Zathrian

The problem (IMO) isn't that it's degenerating into spoiler tags, per se. It's that people are posting spoiler tags without taking a few extra seconds to write clear text that identifies the general area the spoiler is covering.

Completely "blind" spoilers with no context are useless, unless you've finished the game. And maybe not even then, if they're about side paths that you might not see the first time through.

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The problem (IMO) isn't that it's degenerating into spoiler tags, per se. It's that people are posting spoiler tags without taking a few extra seconds to write clear text that identifies the general area the spoiler is covering.

Completely "blind" spoilers with no context are useless, unless you've finished the game. And maybe not even then, if they're about side paths that you might not see the first time through.

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What he said. :yes:

Better safe than sorry. I don't see the necessity to strike the perfect balance between the thread being fun and proper at the same time.

Be it proper, otherwise it will spoil any fun into it.

Sorry, I didn't mean to derail the thread. I was just making an observation I found rather funny for me in my situation. Back to the spoiler tags!

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I knew Zathrian's voice sounded familiar, it's Tim Russ from ST:Voyager.
http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Zathrian

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I knew it!

I looked that up on the first day I had the game, but IMDB hadn't been updated to reflect it and neither had the wikia.. but I knew.

Bioware really pulled out the stops with the Sci-fi actors lending voices. Tim Russ and Kate Mulgrew from Voyager and Claudia Black. Wonder how many others are hidden in the credits?

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I knew it!

I looked that up on the first day I had the game, but IMDB hadn't been updated to reflect it and neither had the wikia.. but I knew.

Bioware really pulled out the stops with the Sci-fi actors lending voices. Tim Russ and Kate Mulgrew from Voyager and Claudia Black. Wonder how many others are hidden in the credits?

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Tim Curry is Arl Howe. Otherwise I think there are many from former Bioware games.

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One thing that annoyed me a lot. On my second playthrough now and this time I got Zevran at level 13. When I asked him why he would be good to have in a party, he replied "Because I'm good at killing, stealing and picking locks". When I checked his abilities though he no skill points at all in Stealing and no ability points in Deft Hands (used for picking locks and disarming traps), which kinda forced me to still use Leliana in my party (wanted to use Zevran this time around, as I had Leliana in my party last time as warrior). There should have been an option to undo skills & abilities when you gain certain party members or that they had preset skills/abilities chosen up until level 8.
Luckily on my third playthrough I'll be the Rogue myself, so no need to have Leliana or Zevran in party.

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Tim Curry is Arl Howe. Otherwise I think there are many from former Bioware games.

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Arl Howe's fate.

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Somehow knowing it's Tim Curry makes killing him all the more satisfying.

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One thing that annoyed me a lot. On my second playthrough now and this time I got Zevran at level 13. When I asked him why he would be good to have in a party, he replied "Because I'm good at killing, stealing and picking locks". When I checked his abilities though he no skill points at all in Stealing and no ability points in Deft Hands (used for picking locks and disarming traps), which kinda forced me to still use Leliana in my party (wanted to use Zevran this time around, as I had Leliana in my party last time as warrior). There should have been an option to undo skills & abilities when you gain certain party members or that they had preset skills/abilities chosen up until level 8.
Luckily on my third playthrough I'll be the Rogue myself, so no need to have Leliana or Zevran in party.

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Yeah I noticed that as well, it would seem he is not only an assassin but a liar as well. :smash:

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Sorry, I didn't mean to derail the thread. I was just making an observation I found rather funny for me in my situation. Back to the spoiler tags!

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Greg-sama always speaks of wisdom. Not yer share, sensei. :smoking: