Unification of the Isles: Britannia Hotseat (completed, winners Myth and Zim)

Like I say Myth I looked at the turn before Iggy took the castle (which was turn 18) and there was no Swordsmith's Guild there. Could you please take a screenshot of it so I can work out what's going on?

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I can assure everyone that I didn't destroy anything. I believe it may have occurred if Myth sacked Nottingham when he retook the city from me. In cities such as Shrewsbury and Oxford, which have repeatedly changed hands, there have been buildings such as small churches that I've seen disappear.

BTW, Norway!

I now really hate "King" John. : P

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

I can assure everyone that I didn't destroy anything. I believe it may have occurred if Myth sacked Nottingham when he retook the city from me. In cities such as Shrewsbury and Oxford, which have repeatedly changed hands, there have been buildings such as small churches that I've seen disappear.

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I'll look into it - apologies if I missed it before, I only looked at it quickly and forgot the icon is the same as for a blacksmith.

To be honest I loaded just now and tried both occupying and sacking and it's still gone oO Igno can you load your last save prior to the one you just got, to see if you have it when you hold Nottingham?

I wish my assassin network were extensive enough to have destroyed it, :(
but I can assure you its destruction has not come from me...

England

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Ireland.

King John rode his horse trough the scenic countryside near Shaftsburry. The road had been decorated with piles of dead and mutilated Welsh and Irish - truly a pleasure for the senses. The king had a large grin on his face as he opened a medallion where his father and brother's miniature portraits greeted him. King John the Bastard - avenger of the now severed British Royal bloodline.

"Ah, the smell of dead celts in the morning is... invigorating! So Llywelyn is hiding in that fort?" the King pointed with his mail clad glove and spat.

"Indeed sire, he is."

"Prepare the rack, tomorrow night we will have a Welsh King for a guest."

John's laugh echoed and made two ravens raise their heads in curiosity, before continuing with their feast.

OOC: Both Llywelyn and the Irish king Brian were defeated in combat! They can't move next turn, and Llywelyn is besieged. Unless a miracle happens he should be finally dead next turn. BTW I was offered a second Swordsmith's guild so it's no loss after all.

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Originally Posted by Myth

They can't move next turn....

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Actually I don't think that rule is in place in this game...

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Originally Posted by phonicsmonkey

Actually I don't think that rule is in place in this game...

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it is actually, it is on the rules page.

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

it is actually, it is on the rules page.

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Erm...good! Carry on then.

:embarassed:

also, I couldn't move anyway! :)

wales up
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How the mighty are fallen!

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

How the mighty are fallen!

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Which ones?

Llywelyn of Wales, easily the best general in this Hotseat since Turn 1. He is about to get his head chopped off next turn though!

perhaps, or perhaps King John will receive the same first...

I doubt it!

Norway finds itself in an unfortunate position. They had hoped that the war that had engulfed the Isles might burn itself out, eventually leading to a return to the status quo. Now it seems even the death of the resolute and skillful Llywelyn will bring no end to the conflict, as Ireland takes even bigger bites out of the Kingdom of England. To this end we have been forced to end our neutrality and declare war on the Gaels, a state that will continue until a balance has been regained in the region, or Norse might has been exhausted.

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So Norway takes on our same position, but attacks us. If you truly see england as needing aid you are mistaken. Ireland only continues to intervene so that Wales may not be exterminated.

Ireland is next. Llywelyn is dead! All of England rejoices as Henry and Edward's vengeful spirits are finally at rest with this triumph of justice! Now has come the final moment for King John to fulfill his father's last will, that Wales be forever wiped off the maps of Europe.

Ireland is now signing its own death sentence, with one army supporting King Brian's treachery and another one wandering the seas near Southern England. Some troops are garrisoning York as well - overall at least 60% of Ireland's troops are assigned on a pointless suicide mission in England, which will leave their home country exposed. But don't let my words stop you from trying to push into England proper - we are known for our hospitality!

Irelands only wish is that England will agree to a peace treaty with wales. This war has gone no for far too long. Statements such as the one you made are what brought Ireland into this war, they will not bring us out of it.

No. Wales is doomed and you only doom Ireland as well by meddling in this war and our just right to end the Welsh threat. Let us not deceive one another - you entered the war when Wales convinced you you can grab some English land without fear of retribution. But now you shall reap what you have sewn.

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it is clear you are simply a warmonger who cannot stand the thought of peace.
wales up!

Norway!

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England

The Norse have taken several minor Irish settlements but will immediately withdraw if an accord can be made between the English and Irish.

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Originally Posted by Zim

England

The Norse have taken several minor Irish settlements but will immediately withdraw if an accord can be made between the English and Irish.

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If history is any guide you may be waiting a very long time...

I know, that's how my family ended up in the U.S. ~;p

I'm torn between joy at the thought of Ireland take over large swathes of England and the fact that it's an ally they're attacking (not to mention the problems that would ensue if they beat England). :clown:

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Originally Posted by phonicsmonkey

If history is any guide you may be waiting a very long time...

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Beat England? What? :D

Edit:

News: Patraic of Waterford (the general who was besieging Nottingham) has been defeated and cannot move next turn. He retreated into a stone fort which makes it OK for me to attack him whenever I please however.

King Brian has suffered his second defeat at the hands of King John. So far his loss record on English soil remains a firm 100%. He also cannot move next turn and I hope that in a few turns his head will also be able to freely roam the land without being held back... by his body.

There is also a pathetic "full army" conscripted of dirt farmers and Irish sheepherders, that has foolishly landed near Launceston. They face complete annihilation at the hands of England's fine professional armies.

In the West Wales has abandoned Norwich which we have gladly retaken. It is an important maritime trade center on the West coast. Wales huddles and hides it's last scraps of an army near Lincoln, and will be dealt with swiftly.

A minor loss - Cardiff has been reported to be stormed by the last remnants of the Welsh Eastern army. Half is in the city, the other half was slowed down in the fields to the North, no doubt because they found a flock of sheep to... play with. They will be put to the sword soon.

King John is pleased and wishes all the best to Brian's wife. He is also on the way to meet King Llywelyn's widow, as he had promised so long ago.

Ireland is up.

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Originally Posted by Zim

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The Norse have taken several minor Irish settlements but will immediately withdraw if an accord can be made between the English and Irish.

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Ireland is quite ready to discuss peace. We simply require that England also consent to peace with Wales. We will not see the English commit genocide upon a proud people. I propose that peace can be made by as such.

Norway shall hand Downpatrik and Derry back to the Kingdom of Ireland.

Ireland will turn Dumfries over to Norway, as it lies within the former territory of Scotland.

Ireland shall hand York back to England. Newcastle will then be returned as well after 5 years of peace.

Wales shall hand Lincoln back to England.

England shall hand Cardiff back to Wales.

All nations shall end their wars and return to a state of peace. Ireland shall start no further wars, but will support any nation that is attacked in the future.

What say you?

Talks of peace are pointless, and you make bold demands for one who will soon be gutted like a boar. Instead of such fairy-tails, allow me to propose you the only conditions that make sense:

1. Wales is destroyed and you do not mention them again.
2. You disband all of your armies, save for two units of milita per city for garrisoning purposes.
3. You disband all of your fleets.
4. King Brian submits to justice for his betrayal and backstabbing attack versus England.
5. Ireland returns all English settlements to England.
6. All Irish castles are granted to Norway for overseeing and to prevent further armies and backstabbing.
7. Norway keeps what it has conquered until now.
8. We place agents in your remaining cities to ensure that they are not converted to castles and that you do not build a single ship.
9. You agree to trade with England and Norway.

Nonsense, it is clear you are bloodthirsty tyrant. We can add Newcastle to the settlements to go to england immediately, and Lancaster at some later point, further than that, and you are making absurd demands.

Our demands are just. So we will just take what is rightfully ours. See you on the battlefield, Brian King!

The Welsh representative speaks up.

"It is quite clear that John of England has no honour in this matter. First of all he called for the death of Llywelyn. He is dead, we have offered peace in good faith and he demands our destruction.

So you can see, King Haakon, that sadly there is no hope of peace in this matter. If you truly desire peace, threaten to withdraw militarily support from John until he is willing to offer peace, even if it is to the disadvantage, rather than the destruction, of our people."

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Igno you have a lot of arcade badges!

I agree completely with the Welsh diplomat. England has refused our every offer of peace. Seeing as you have stated peace as your desire, the best way to create it is if Norway threatens to remove its support from england. Perhaps then they will see fit to accept these very reasonable terms of peace.

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"We demanded Llywelyn's submittance to our justice. His answer was quite snide and full of spite. He even sent us a message stating "you cannot hope to catch me now.", and demanded provinces. Now as the Welsh face death they have suddenly dropped all demands for lands and just want to save their hides.

We see the same situation with Ireland. They make demands now, but when we come knocking on their castle walls they will be happy just being left alive, instead of having unjust desires for lands they never had any claim to!

We say once more - Wales invaded. We offered terms which they rejected. From then on we have denounced any further attempts of diplomacy from them as simple stalling tactics to raise more troops for Llywelyn. Now that he is dead they hold no leverage and the only thing we can say is - you should have though about it when we gave you the chance.

To Ireland we can say this: submit Brian King to justice, disband your armies and gives a way to be sure you will not raise new armies and stab us in the back once more. Those who have betrayed the trust of their peers must work towards regaining it, not make absurd demands! We state now, that if we have to chase Brian around the countryside and corner him in a barn, in order to bring him to justice, Ireland will see no better treatment than Wales.

Norway and England have been allies for some time now, and Norway has raised a mighty army. Truthfully If I had been in King Haakon's shoes I would have spent this time raiding an Ireland with her skirt up, instead of talking about pointless peace. Haakon nearly bankrupted his nation to aid me in this war, and I will not ask him for peace unless he genuinely wishes for it."

Then you are beyond hope. I hope you enjoy seeing the common people suffer, for that is what your love of war will cause.

wales!
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Owen the Chancellor utters but two words, looking John squarely in the eye.

Uae uictus!

OOC: the funny thing is that IRL I love Celtic culture, I listen to Celtic music (love how Gaelec sounds) and I've read a rather thick tome on Celtic Myths and Legends :)

BTW I'll be away from today until Friday, FYI. I game with most of you in my other hotseats as well, so you can spread the word.

Norway!

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Ah, I love the smell of burning enemy settlements in the morning.

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So I take it despite your stated intentions of bringing peace you are as much a war monger as the english.

Only if you think the Norse King would make an Apocalyse Now reference.

If Ireland makes an immediate withdrawal from all settlements and forts in Britain and sails back to their own Isle the Norse will happily resume peace and trade with them. And I'd be wary of calling England and its allies warmongers. The English did not begin this war.

I think it is impossible to say who truly started this war, but if you and England agree to the terms I stated, with my withdrawing from england entirely rather than partially, will you then return what you have taken and go to peace?

Our signing of a treaty would be contingent on England's agreement, at least presently. After the repeated refusals of the Welsh king to come to terms he will likely want better assurances they won't be in a position to attack England again.

The welsh king has not refused peace treaties, the english king has.

The Norse emissary laughs.

Well, now that old king Llywelyn is dead I suppose that's accurate enough.

OOC: I have at least on 5 times offered peace to Myth, demanding far less than was deserved. You've got to give him credit for hanging on, but he was the aggressor.

OOC: I seem to remember England trying to get a peace deal to no avail much earlier in the game. At any rate, Llywelyn went on a rampage through English territory for a big chunk of the game. If I were playing them I'd likely be trying to get better than a more or less antebellum situation as well.

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Welsh rampages in English territory?

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OOC: I seem to remember England trying to get a peace deal to no avail much earlier in the game. At any rate, Llywelyn went on a rampage through English territory for a big chunk of the game. If I were playing them I'd likely be trying to get better than a more or less antebellum situation as well.

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Yeah, well they wanted me to give up Caernarfon and be reduced to 2 provinces...

You wanted to be granted Caernavernon (which I conquered after your initial invasion) AND you wanted to keep Glocuester and a couple of other English territories you had taken. Those are hardly great terms for me especially since it was clear that England can win a slugfest if it survives the initial Welsh blitzkrieg. I knew your free troops would run out of steam sooner or later, so I did not accept sub-par offers for peace that would just let Llywelyn create a monster full stack and become very costly to beat (if at all).

Wrong, but I won't argue.

Defeated the Irish stack and that one Welsh unit that were besieging my latest re-conquest. They cannot move next turn. Also a reminder that boats can't be attacked in ports. I lured Wales away so it can't reinforce the stone fort North of Nottingham, and now that Irish army there is doomed. Next turn, some more heads will roll!

Ireland up!

wales!
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Norway!!!

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BTW, the numbering system has gone all over the place - last turn it skipped from 24 to 26.

We may need to replay the last turn.

- An army which is beaten in battle may not be attacked on the following turn (because it is immobilized either by the game mechanic or by the rule above) by any faction unless it has retreated to a fort or settlement.

One of my armies was defeated by the Irish the previous turn and appears to have been promptly attacked this one.

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Originally Posted by Zim

We may need to replay the last turn.

- An army which is beaten in battle may not be attacked on the following turn (because it is immobilized either by the game mechanic or by the rule above) by any faction unless it has retreated to a fort or settlement.

One of my armies was defeated by the Irish the previous turn and appears to have been promptly attacked this one.

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Oh, ya, your right, I did that.

I completely forgot about this as I've been fighting people that go before me so far. I'll replay my turn ASP

Here is a new save in which I was not a dirty cheater.
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I'm really sorry about the delay in the game, and understand if there are further penalties placed upon me for my carelessness. After all, things can't get THAT much worse than they already are for me, so might as well take my licks soner rather than later. :)

it's an honest oversight I'd be against actual punishment. I did the same thing in the beginning and Ignoramus reminded me, I did not get penalized.

Punishment? The only reason I haven't done something similar on accident is that I haven't gotten the chance. I'm just lucky I'm last in the turn order, or I'd likely have messed up the "can't move your defeated army on your next turn" rule. :clown:

I'm going to pm Ignoramus. We're pretty far from the ole "most turns take about a day until Zim, who takes the entirety of his two days" trend of most of the game...

Nightbringer, as you retake those settlements in Ireland could you let me know if any buildings turn up missing, especially if you occupy rather than sack them? I'm curious how common it is for buildings to be destroyed without a double sack. I'd have sworn that one settlement in the northeast of Ireland had a port before I sacked it, and that didn't even involve it changing hands with damaged buildings.

I left him a message on his wall, Igno seems to be MIA at the moment. Perhaps he is on vacation? if worst comes to worst, Phonics can sub him.

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Punishment? The only reason I haven't done something similar on accident is that I haven't gotten the chance. I'm just lucky I'm last in the turn order, or I'd likely have messed up the "can't move your defeated army on your next turn" rule. :clown:

I'm going to pm Ignoramus. We're pretty far from the ole "most turns take about a day until Zim, who takes the entirety of his two days" trend of most of the game...

Nightbringer, as you retake those settlements in Ireland could you let me know if any buildings turn up missing, especially if you occupy rather than sack them? I'm curious how common it is for buildings to be destroyed without a double sack. I'd have sworn that one settlement in the northeast of Ireland had a port before I sacked it, and that didn't even involve it changing hands with damaged buildings.

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It most certainly did have a port, a tier two one. I built half my fleet there.

It seems like things just randomly disappear.

Sorry guys for my absence - been really busy lately. Doing turn now.

Norway again!

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Our good friend England is up.

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1. By some sheer luck we sunk Wales's entire fleet of 3 ships and all of the troops aboard. They have one army in Cardiff and a small garrison in Caernavernon. Death shall soon come for them.
2. King Brian has been defeated in battle yet again, alongside the force he had rushed ahead of. He now has an impressive record of 4 losses out of 4 battles on English soil. (And he can't move next turn)
3. The Irish army that had been trapped in the stone fort North of Nottingham has been put to the sword.

Ireland up!

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Originally Posted by Myth

1. By some sheer luck we sunk Wales's entire fleet of 3 ships and all of the troops aboard. They have one army in Cardiff and a small garrison in Caernavernon. Death shall soon come for them.
2. King Brian has been defeated in battle yet again, alongside the force he had rushed ahead of. He now has an impressive record of 4 losses out of 4 battles on English soil. (And he can't move next turn)
3. The Irish army that had been trapped in the stone fort North of Nottingham has been put to the sword.

Ireland up!

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Did you allow a free square so they could retreat?

I attacked with all three ships in one stack and was rather surprised yours did not retreat. They should have had room to retreat even if they were right next to the coast (which they weren't from memory). I also got a clear victory when I think the types of ships are the same, and the numbers are the same...

Perhaps now, without the idiotic blathering of the former King John, the English and their more noble but clearly deluded allies will see fit to sign a peace treaty?
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wales up!
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That's what I get for doing so much overtime. I hadnt' noticed how long it had been. I'll send Ignoramus a pm and move the turn tomorrow if needed.

Very sorry. Norway!

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I don't trust those tricksy Irish.

Also, it's so lonely around the fields (and castle) of Athenry.

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The Irish have managed to assassinate king John, who was a mighty champion of England and her peoples. We shall mourn him, even as King Simon takes the crown and the cause of his benefactor. The Celts shall soon feel that English steel does not dull so easily.

The first lesson was delivered by the new Prince, who defeated the Welsh King as he had assembled yet another force of raiders. (Welsh stack that was besieging the stone fort can't move next turn)

A brave group of local farmers and other serfs took sight of an Irish siege weapon and torched it. Their able bodied leader has been raised into the nobility for his bravery! (Irish catapult defeated by a unit of peasants who were sent out to scout. I got a MOTH promotion. Naturally that catapult can't move next turn)

BTW Ireland up. And can we please keep the turn order as it actually is? This is turn 26, it says so on the password screen. Somehow we went two turns into the future on our file names.

wales up.
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Norway!

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England

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Ireland.