Anybody enjoying Game of Thrones? (HBO TV series)

If GRRM is satisfied I think makeup will take care of the rest.

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Surely I can't have been the only one thinking someone more like actress Dot Jones; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0427963/
6'3", 15 time world arm wrestling champion.

That woman looks like a waif, and only 'ugly' in Hollywood.

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She's not a small girl.

http://www.independent.co.uk/multime...lee_34968t.jpg

Wow, what long legs she has.

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She's not a small girl.

http://www.independent.co.uk/multime...lee_34968t.jpg

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In my defense, that was before I had any other info than that picture. It does seem like she's right for the role;
(This is a music video of a bad song notable only because it has the actress in it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbSQ0BDgxes

CR

Now I'm hoping for a Brienne and Tyrion scene, just to see them try and get her and Peter Dinklage in the same shot. :laugh4:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbSQ0BDgxes

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Wow that is bad.

that was so bad i couldnt even watch it. the music video was stupid too

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i hate catelyn even more now she is a zombie

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i hate catelyn even more now she is a zombie

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I'm very curious as to where he is going with that one, I see an epic meeting with one of the kids she thought was dead, probably Rickon, in the future.

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Loving ADWD so far, I'm sure nobody was too upset with the first character killed off!

I finished up ADWD last night. Loved it.

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Also, I'm pretty sure GRRM just set a record for "most cliffhangers to end a series installment with".

A Song of Ice and Lego

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I finished up ADWD last night. Loved it.

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I'm nearly there. Best yet. Only another 5 or 6 years until the next one then...

People really think ADWD is the best one yet? Wow, Ill need to pick it up soon.
That is, once I finish AFFC... :brood:

Just finished the second book - it seemed rather slow going at first, so I was reading only a chapter a day (and the chapters are many and short). But towards the end, it had really heated up, so I devoured the last third in an afternoon. I won't give any spoilers outside of the tags, but I was curious who would replace Ned as the heart of the story - at least in the TV series, he was the focal point for me. In the second book, it was Tyrion who became the central figure imo, which was a rather uncomfortable switch given his opposed allegiances to Ned's. However, he is a very well written character and Peter Dinklage probably has imbued him with even more charm (the Tyrion in the book is supposed to be ugly, whereas Dinklage is rather sweet).

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Tyrion in the second book also occupies a similar geographic and functional position as Ned in the first book - a besieged King's Hand in the capitol of the Kingdom.

I've never really understood the need for a central character, and I never saw Ned Stark as central to the first book anyway. To me he was just somebody caught up in a world he helped create, but didn't understand. Finding out more about Tyrion was what kept me reading A Game of Thrones, without him I probably wouldn't have bothered reading the second book, never mind the entire series.

It surprises me as well with the uproar about ned stark dying. His importance to the story is minimal at best.

Been reading ADWD one day and 200 pages read.

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I finished up ADWD last night. Loved it.

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Also, I'm pretty sure GRRM just set a record for "most cliffhangers to end a series installment with".

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Do not read unless you have finished the book! You've been warned!

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Overall, the book was superb. It really moved the plot, particularly in the North where things advanced at blazing speed. Also, it's great to have Tyrion back for for the first time in, what, 8 years? A few major complaints though:

1) I actually got a bit annoyed with the number of cliffhangers he gave, as pretty much all of them strike me as fake. First we had the fake deaths of Tyrion, Davos, Asha, and Danaerys in the middle of the book (did anyone believe any of those?), and at the end he tosses in John Snow and Stannis. After four fake-out deaths in the middle of the book, I don't think the two at the end are remotely believable. Stannis is alive and it's just a fake-out by Bolton who's already lost Winterfell, while John actually is 'dead' but there's conveniently a Red Priest about 5 feet away from him and we've seen a certain Red Priest be rather handy with fixing dead people many times before. All of these 'cliffhangers' seemed a lot more contrived to me, specifically designed to shock and not really relevant to the actual storyline which will continue on as if they never happened.

2) Dany's plotline bored me to death. It pretty much never went anywhere and while her decisions may be 'realistic' under the circumstances, they don't advance the plot at all and they're just plain dull. It also seemed incredibly out of character for her to suddenly be so afraid of the dragons and essentially abandon them. Where did that come from? She was totally badass in book 3, then suddenly she loses her spine over a few charred bones? Please... the girl's personally responsible the the deaths of what, tens of thousands of people? Her spinelessness seems misplaced.

3) I don't understand the point of the random new Targaryean guy. Why does he even exist? It completely erases the 'Dany is the last Targaryean in the world' thing and pretty much re-writes what was one of the basic premises on which the original story was based. What purpose can that guy possibly serve in the story that Dany doesn't already serve? At the rate Martin is bringing dead people back to life, he'll soon erase his giant body count. Killing off minor characters like Kevan and Pycelle doesn't make up for it.

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I think one of Stannis and Jon will stay dead, like you say the fake deaths thing is getting old and GRR has to know it. You could also ask if the Dornishmen were really necessary, it seems like they were just there to release the dragons.

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Overall, the book was superb. It really moved the plot, particularly in the North where things advanced at blazing speed. Also, it's great to have Tyrion back for for the first time in, what, 8 years? A few major complaints though:

1) I actually got a bit annoyed with the number of cliffhangers he gave, as pretty much all of them strike me as fake. First we had the fake deaths of Tyrion, Davos, Asha, and Danaerys in the middle of the book (did anyone believe any of those?), and at the end he tosses in John Snow and Stannis. After four fake-out deaths in the middle of the book, I don't think the two at the end are remotely believable. Stannis is alive and it's just a fake-out by Bolton who's already lost Winterfell, while John actually is 'dead' but there's conveniently a Red Priest about 5 feet away from him and we've seen a certain Red Priest be rather handy with fixing dead people many times before. All of these 'cliffhangers' seemed a lot more contrived to me, specifically designed to shock and not really relevant to the actual storyline which will continue on as if they never happened.

2) Dany's plotline bored me to death. It pretty much never went anywhere and while her decisions may be 'realistic' under the circumstances, they don't advance the plot at all and they're just plain dull. It also seemed incredibly out of character for her to suddenly be so afraid of the dragons and essentially abandon them. Where did that come from? She was totally badass in book 3, then suddenly she loses her spine over a few charred bones? Please... the girl's personally responsible the the deaths of what, tens of thousands of people? Her spinelessness seems misplaced.

3) I don't understand the point of the random new Targaryean guy. Why does he even exist? It completely erases the 'Dany is the last Targaryean in the world' thing and pretty much re-writes what was one of the basic premises on which the original story was based. What purpose can that guy possibly serve in the story that Dany doesn't already serve? At the rate Martin is bringing dead people back to life, he'll soon erase his giant body count. Killing off minor characters like Kevan and Pycelle doesn't make up for it.

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1) Agreed with you about the North, and that's what I'm most looking forward to with the next installment, mostly because we have no freaking idea of what's going on up there (as opposed to the South and in Essos, where there are also cliffhangers but we can make educated guesses). I share your opinion that Jon isn't "dead", with the practical reasoning of that now, Martin has no viewpoint character at the Wall (Melisandre had one chapter in ADWD, but she doesn't count). Less certain about Stannis, I plan to go back and reread Ramsay's letter to Jon to see what I think of it again.

2) The biggest disappointment for me was that at the start of ADWD, a bunch of characters and a half were making their way to Dany and Meereen. Tyrion, Jorah, Victarion, etc. Now, 1,000 pages later and with the exception of the Dornish Dumbasses... they're still making their way to Dany and Meereen, and Dany isn't even there anymore. Argh. Really wish Tyrion had called out to Barristan during the fighting pits scene.

3) My only complaint about this issue was that Martin pulled Lil' Aegon out of nowhere. All other stunts he's pulled like this have at least been previously hinted upon. I seriously doubt this Targaryen duality is going to last though, mainly because we last see Lil' Aegon saying he's going to lead the charge at Storm's End, aka the single-most impregnable castle in Westeros (there's the Eyrie, but who's counting). I need to go back and reread that whole "prophecy" sequence in Qarth in A Clash of Kings to see if this was foreshadowed at all.

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1) Agreed with you about the North, and that's what I'm most looking forward to with the next installment, mostly because we have no freaking idea of what's going on up there (as opposed to the South and in Essos, where there are also cliffhangers but we can make educated guesses). I share your opinion that Jon isn't "dead", with the practical reasoning of that now, Martin has no viewpoint character at the Wall (Melisandre had one chapter in ADWD, but she doesn't count). Less certain about Stannis, I plan to go back and reread Ramsay's letter to Jon to see what I think of it again.

2) The biggest disappointment for me was that at the start of ADWD, a bunch of characters and a half were making their way to Dany and Meereen. Tyrion, Jorah, Victarion, etc. Now, 1,000 pages later and with the exception of the Dornish Dumbasses... they're still making their way to Dany and Meereen, and Dany isn't even there anymore. Argh. Really wish Tyrion had called out to Barristan during the fighting pits scene.

3) My only complaint about this issue was that Martin pulled Lil' Aegon out of nowhere. All other stunts he's pulled like this have at least been previously hinted upon. I seriously doubt this Targaryen duality is going to last though, mainly because we last see Lil' Aegon saying he's going to lead the charge at Storm's End, aka the single-most impregnable castle in Westeros (there's the Eyrie, but who's counting). I need to go back and reread that whole "prophecy" sequence in Qarth in A Clash of Kings to see if this was foreshadowed at all.

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Re: Stannis, I think he's not dead for several reasons.

First, we don't see a death. The death of Stannis would be a major secondary character death, on par with Robert and Renly and Rob. Martin has never made any of those deaths ambiguous. They were deader than a doornail, and you knew it when you read it. We don't get that with Stannis, we just get a letter from the Bastard, who's not exactly known for telling the truth all the time.

Second, when the Iron Bank of Braavos guy shows up, he says that he just came from Winterfell, where he talked with one of the Umbers. Clearly the Braavos guy is a major Stannis-backer at this point, which indicates that the Umbers may switch sides. Plus, we already know that all the White Harbor guys are going to turn on the Boltons. The only traitors available to betray Stannis are the Karstarks, but the Braavos guy already knew about their plans and he showed up in camp and went to talk to Stannis. He definitely told him about that. So, we've got 1 and potentially 2 traitors on the Bolton side and no traitors on the Stannis side. Plus, Stannis isn't even assaulting the walls. Bolton got impatient and sent his guys out after Stannis, which removes the whole defensive advantage of the castle.

Third, if Stannis loses the entire plotline with the runaway Karstark girl is pointless, as the Thenns will get squashed in 5 seconds by Bolton's army. A Bolton victory would also make Theon's very intricate recovery/rehabilitation pointless, since Theon will also be dead.

On a certain death that is being discussed:

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No, not Jon, Stannis. I have my doubts over the letter too. It certainly is believable but if we look at the events surrounding the situation in the North it seems a push for it to be plausible, unless GRRM has something planned out.

Firstly, The Braavosi Banker. Now Stannis has the backing of the Iron Bank of Braavos, a wealthy institution which is part of the most powerful free city as stated, what sense would it make to kill him off? Why introduce something that could rapidly turn Stannis' fortunes around only to kill him off screen?

Secondly, Theon and "Arya" are now at his camp. The northern banners bar two are bound to the Boltons because they have the Stark heir captive. What reason do they have to fight for Roose and Ramsey now? I'm pretty certain the Freys don't even have the northern hostages anymore as Jamie commanded them to be released by decree of the king.

Thirdly, the letter itself. Ramsey asks for his bride back and his "reek". He assumes they are at the wall but given the time span how could they possibly be their? It took Stannis and his host weeks to march through the storm, lets hypothesis Stannis did lose and "Arya", Theon and Asha fled before they were recaptured. Why would they even go to the wall? There are numerous more safe places to go. Quite frankly Jon seems stupid for taking the bait. Even if it real, why march? Ramsay's host wouldn't by logic wouldn't even march on the wall. They have no one they can trust to guard Winterfell on their behalf.

Fourth, the wording of the letter. The repeated reiteration of bastard. The language is sharp and provocative, not controlled like you would expect from a man who claims to be in control of so much. Also why is Roose not writing the letter, why is the Warden of the North letting his bastard send out threats? Is Roose even still alive?

Fifth, Manderley. Roose sends him, his troops and then the Freys out to find and fight Stannis. Why would he not just turn on the Freys? He's already eaten some in a pie and we know where his loyalties lie. I cant see him going out to butcher Stannis, at this point the North's best hope of reinstating the Starks.

Finally, Stannis is a renowned military commander, Established as one of the best in Westeros. Even with his rag tag army I find it hard to see him losing. He knows his stuff. Also the Karstark betrayal which I forgot to mention, essentially Bolton's secret weapon should reach Stannis either by the Braavosi banker, Theon or their travelling companions. Kill the Karstarks, take their supplies and his situation is still bad but certainly a lot less bad.

Of course it remains a mystery how Ramsey would know of the "magic sword" and, more importantly Mance, but you can make your own judgments. I personally thing GRRM would have a lot of convincing to do though if we were to believe Stannis perished.

hahahaha who else loves wyman manderly now

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hahahaha who else loves wyman manderly now

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Seriously.

Also Alys Karstark. I hope we see more of her - she's got moxie.

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hahahaha who else loves wyman manderly now

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Somewhere on the internet there lists a site dedicated to recreating all of the various food that Martin describes over the course of the series. They need to add Frey Pie to that list, STAT. :laugh4:

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I rarely get genuinely emotional reading books, but when Davos reached White Harbour I was livid with Manderly. I had to put it down for ten minutes and tell myself "it's just a book." :laugh4:

I was so relieved when it turned out to be a ruse, I always liked him as a character.

just finished..... book lasted me 4 days and now i have to wait for four years............. dammit.

Stunned ill post some more thoughts later.

Moar casting news for season 2. All of these actors sound perfect for their roles: "Dutch actress Carice van Houten will wear the red robe of Melisandre, a mysterious woman with connections to Stannis Baratheon and who has all of Westeros seeing red. van Houten has appeared in the films Repo Men and Valkyrie. Stannis will be played British actor Stephen Dillane, who played Thomas Jefferson in HBO's acclaimed John Adams. Those of you who've read the books will see that once again the Game of Thrones casting team has done a great job. [...]The role of Davos, the smuggling Onion Knight, has also been cast: Irish actor Liam Cunningham (Camelot) takes the role."

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...es_newcast.jpg

Wow this is exciting, cant wait for next season!

hmm carice is a good casting i think. she kinda looks like i imagined melisandre :P

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hmmmm, least favorite character? Most southorn knights and lords

What a bunch of stupid *****

For those who missed Comic Con, theres a twitter thing set up by HBO that describes the panel.
http://connect.hbo.com/conversations...omic-con-panel

I don't think anybody has linked the Margaery Tyrell casting yet. Poor choice in my opinion.

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Why do you say that? I think shes fine.
I think GRRM actually personally picks each actor personally.

Having watched The Tudors, I can't realistically see someone who played the manipulative, scheming Anne Boleyn playing Margarey. She's basically going from playing Cersei's double to Cersei's antithesis.

bad choice. actor is blond and margaery is brunette.

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bad choice. actor is blond and margaery is brunette.

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So? Emilia Clarke, who plays Dany, is brunette.

Margaery is, what, 14 at the start of Clash of Kings? I know they've messed with the ages of most characters but she seems very old for the role.

I say we wait for season 2 before we pass judgement.

True, going by the books Peter Dinklage isn't a very good choice, now he is Tyrion in my mind when I read.

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True, going by the books Peter Dinklage isn't a very good choice, now he is Tyrion in my mind when I read.

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Yup. In the books Tyrion is described as grotesque.

This SUMMER, strapped for cash, ROBB STARK, is ALEXANDER NEVSKY!

The WHISPERING WOOD, all over again but then in RUSSIAN!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ6md8253EI&feature=related

I was surprised to hear from some of my cousins, who aren't big readers (or readers at all) and are not, AFAIK, fantasy fans, that they thought this series was really good.

I must admit that I am pleasantly surprised that they made an expensive fantasy series, even though I only just managed to read the first book and then gave up.

The more the better I say!

Lets get this thread going again.
Ok so I just finished AFFC.
I thought it was quite good. Not as good as the previous books, but not a disappointment, IMO.

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One of the best parts of AFFC was Sansa. Yes, Sansa. She really matures in this books, and when before her chapters were annoying but now they are a pleasure to read.
And apparently she is really hot as a brunette, as this artist imagined her in the Eryie.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/th...by_akizhao.jpg

Also, I liked Jaime's and Cersei's chapters. I liked reading how Jaime came to hate his sister who he once loved and how Cersei's work came down around her. Brienne was a bitter disappointment, I thought something epic was going to happen, but all she does is find Catelyn and then dies. Lame.

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Brienne was a bitter disappointment, I thought something epic was going to happen, but all she does is find Catelyn and then dies. Lame.

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Did she? :shrug:

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Did she? :shrug:

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Well, Id say getting hanged is a pretty clear indication that one is dead. Though this is GRRM. Anything can happen. But if it turns out Brienne isnt dead I cant say that I will be overjoyed.

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Well, Id say getting hanged is a pretty clear indication that one is dead. Though this is GRRM. Anything can happen. But if it turns out Brienne isnt dead I cant say that I will be overjoyed.

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I like Brienne.

I like her too, I just find that she is one of the weaker characters.

Also, heres a Collegehumor vid about the series.

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Oh yeah, Sansa is still lame. Ned should have killed her and let the wolf live.

I read the first book and couldn't stand it. It was so dry and slow that when I heard they were making a TV show, especially an HBO adaptation, I immediately said they'll have to massively change the story and throw tons of gratuitous sex and nonsense into it to make it more watchable than the first book's story was.

And sure enough, I haven't been watching but my friend links me to a scene where a male-male couple is chest shaving, complete with nipple closeups. Even knowing that things that weren't in the book were going to be thrown in to make it more scandalous and interesting, my mouth still gaped.

Ah, Koga, your cynicism was not missed with your absence.
At least you are wrong about them throwing a lot of extra stuff to make it interesting.

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Ah, Koga, your cynicism was not missed with your absence.
At least you are wrong about them throwing a lot of extra stuff to make it interesting.

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Err... did you read the book(s)?

Even from the minimal amount I've seen of the show, they've added a *lot* that wasn't in the book to spice it up.

Yes I read the books.
There was not a ton that was added. A few sex scenes, a fight scene between Jaime and Ned, a scene here and there that helped explain the motives for certain characters.
But you also said that you didnt watch all the episodes, so you are making an assumption that that one extra scene is reflective of the whole series, when in fact, it is not.
Ah, this reminds me of your backroom days way back when, saying things you cant back up.
If you can point out five major things which they changed in each episode then I will concede that you are right.

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Err... did you read the book(s)?

Even from the minimal amount I've seen of the show, they've added a *lot* that wasn't in the book to spice it up.

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Read the thread you do not want to argue about this. You are wrong. For a tv series they are very close to the books

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Err... did you read the book(s)?

Even from the minimal amount I've seen of the show, they've added a *lot* that wasn't in the book to spice it up.

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ehm imo the books are more full of nudity than the series. and the its also kinda full of what we would nowadays consider paedophily. if anything hbo made the series less adult rated XD

also why does your mouth gape when its 2 guys shaving chest hairs but not when its 2 girls having sex in a brothel... or a guy having sex with his sister? or did i misunderstand it?

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I prefer 'The Borgias', I just strongly dislike fantasy nonsense. 'The Borgias' isn't 100% historical as well, but is is fun!

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I prefer 'The Borgias', I just strongly dislike fantasy nonsense. 'The Borgias' isn't 100% historical as well, but is is fun!

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borgias is good as well. but one of the reasons i like GoT so much is because it isnt that much focused on the fantasy aspect. it feels more like a mythology. you have some direwolfs which are mostly just very loyal and vicious wolfs, i can live with that, tales of a dragon, stories of ancient creatures with strange powers. accusations of witchcraft, nothing you wouldnt see in a good series about the medieval times. ofcourse till will all change later but it still remains a good story.

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I am in the middle of reading a Storm of Swords 2: Blood and Gold and loving it - is this the highpoint of the series? To be honest, some of the earlier books were a bit of a slog, as I was often not that interested in a particular character's sub-plot at that point. The alternating POV structure meant you were often cooled off just as one sub-plot was coming to the boil. Now, all the various stories are exciting and there have been some shocking twists rather like at the end of the TV series 1. Right now, it's incredibly compelling.

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I am in the middle of reading a Storm of Swords 2: Blood and Gold and loving it - is this the highpoint of the series? To be honest, some of the earlier books were a bit of a slog, as I was often not that interested in a particular character's sub-plot at that point. The alternating POV structure meant you were often cooled off just as one sub-plot was coming to the boil. Now, all the various stories are exciting and there have been some shocking twists rather like at the end of the TV series 1. Right now, it's incredibly compelling.

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I actually had to look this up, because in the US a Storm of Swords is just one volume. Apparently you Brits can't heft such a weighty tome and had to have it split in twain. Fear not, though, you're apparently still twice as manly as the French, who had to have theirs cut into quarters.

A Storm of Swords (the entire, proper, full book) is definitely the crown jewel of the series so far. No book is so dramatic or shocking as that one. Unfortunately, you will now have to slog through A Feast for Crows next, which is the weakest of the series. However, you'll at least have the consolation of being able to immediately follow that one up with A Dance With Dragons, which has some flaws but generally gets right back into the swing of things, though not at the level of Storm. You should feel pity for us long-term fans who had to wait eleven years between Storm and Dance, with only the mediocre Feast to tide us over at the half-way mark.

Best use of GoT I've yet seen on the internets:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...mania/khal.jpg

Season 2 casting updates - they are look quite perfect to me. I particularly like the onion knight and Roose Bolton.

http://www.pajiba.com/trade_news/in-...ng-updates.php

might have some spoiler info

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I am in the middle of episode 5 and waiting for book 5 that I ordered.
I am greatly disappointing that Little finger spoke about the hounds burns instead of the Hound telling Sensa himself.
I recall that the Hound had and that it was the beginning of what little friendship they had.
I am most downhearted that I had to find somewhere to tell what a fool idea it was to make Loras and Renly lovers.
Mr. Martin holds nothing back, if they were gay he would have said so. Renly marries Loras's sister, Loras was Renly's squire before he was knighted. The knight of Flowers reminds me of Sir Lancelot when I read the books, the producers have really boggled this one. Until I get book 5 and can confirm ya or nay I am of the opinion that it was Loras that was bedding his own sister as Jaime was Cersie.
this is only the second website I have found to voice my opinion as I just started looking, if someone knows a site the the shows producers read please post it here. I am also disappointed in the book and hope the producers change the fact that Renly's kings guard wears rainbow cloaks and the Septons knights use rainbow sword belts and have rainbow swords on their shields. You would never see a knight of the Round Table, a Knights Templar or Hospitler, and definitely never a horseman of Charlemagne's wear a rainbow. Charlemagne would have beheaded them before he ever made his horsemen into the first lords of Europe.

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looks like I have a lot to read here but I will post first.
I am in the middle of episode 5 and waiting for book 5 that I ordered.
I am greatly disappointing that Little finger spoke about the hounds burns instead of the Hound telling Sensa himself.
I recall that the Hound had and that it was the beginning of what little friendship they had.
I am most downhearted that I had to find somewhere to tell what a fool idea it was to make Loras and Renly lovers.
Mr. Martin holds nothing back, if they were gay he would have said so. Renly marries Loras's sister, Loras was Renly's squire before he was knighted. The knight of Flowers reminds me of Sir Lancelot when I read the books, the producers have really boggled this one. Until I get book 5 and can confirm ya or nay I am of the opinion that it was Loras that was bedding his own sister as Jaime was Cersie.
this is only the second website I have found to voice my opinion as I just started looking, if someone knows a site the the shows producers read please post it here. I am also disappointed in the book and hope the producers change the fact that Renly's kings guard wears rainbow cloaks and the Septons knights use rainbow sword belts and have rainbow swords on their shields. You would never see a knight of the Round Table, a Knights Templar or Hospitler, and definitely never a horseman of Charlemagne's wear a rainbow. Charlemagne would have beheaded them before he ever made his horsemen into the first lords of Europe.

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There were a number of comments in the books from other characters that suggested Loras and Renly were lovers, I don't recall any suggesting Loras and Margaery were. As for the Rainbow guards, I don't think the cloaks were all multi-coloured, rather each had a different colour, and they needed some way of standing out.

Here is a good place to discuss GRR Martin's world and perhaps learn a bit more.

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this is only the second website I have found to voice my opinion as I just started looking, if someone knows a site the the shows producers read please post it here. I am also disappointed in the book and hope the producers change the fact that Renly's kings guard wears rainbow cloaks and the Septons knights use rainbow sword belts and have rainbow swords on their shields. You would never see a knight of the Round Table, a Knights Templar or Hospitler, and definitely never a horseman of Charlemagne's wear a rainbow. Charlemagne would have beheaded them before he ever made his horsemen into the first lords of Europe.

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Why is this problematic? The whole point of Renly is that he isn't a knight and that he is utterly flamboyant.

As for Loras and Margery, the possibility is there and they are certainly close. However, it is clear that Loras was more interested in Renly.

inaccurate renly certainly was a knight. he was a Ser

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I think CountArach means that Renly did not behave like a typical knight.

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im bit sure he was a respected fighter and was in the melees and to be knighted you had to distinguish yourself in war.

Renly was Knighted during Robert's Rebellion but he is a Lord of a Major House which is a far higher rank. Plus he is a member of the Royal Family too. So on the whole "Ranking system" he comes just beneath Robert, Cersei and those children, so "6th" in the realm, (Stannis 7th as no one really likes him)

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I think CountArach means that Renly did not behave like a typical knight.

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Indeed. I should have said that he doesn't follow the typical chivalric code.

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Being Robert's brother probably didn't hurt.

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I like the show. Watched the first season last summer in less than a week and am looking forward to the second.

Carice van Houten is great news indeed! :jumping:
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The only love I have seen in the books is the same as Robert and Eddard showed for Jon Arryn. Loras was Renly's squire and loved him as such. Bienne was the one devoutly in love with Renly and was close enough to him and would surely have been disenchanted if she were to see that Renly were gay. Mr Martin doesn't hold back but just enough to wonder till he turns all loose. If they had been lovers he would have let it be known before it was to late. It would have been Loras that armored Renly for his battle with Stannis just for the fact that as lovers they may have been touching for the last time. As for Brienne, Christie may hopefully be tall enough but she will need a horse head from makeup. A lot of make up to make her as homely as she's supposed to be. The only main male characters that were not knights, squires or lords were the sellswords, captain of the watch at first then became at least a lord, and the hound who detested knighthood. They didn't show the melee that Robert was insisting on fighting in and we later find out that some of the combatants would have killed him in the confusion as Cercie purposefully told him he couldn't fight in it so he would object to her so openly. Instead they changed it to some idiocy about him readying to joust. Robert was never a jouster it explicitly states so in a later book when Cercie goofs and says what a good jouster Joffrey's father was. without the melee they left out the vision of the Fiery Priest who I am uncertain if I read over that he may or may not have been a knight or a lord. I'll be done with book 5 by Thursday and will hopefully have a better idea about the little queen and her dieing brother, but I hear the first 600 pages will be recapping book 4 but the views not heard in 4.

Stannis to Renly, regarding Margaery being a maiden: “In your bed she’s like to die that way.”
Jaime to Loras: “Now sheathe your bloody sword, or I’ll take it from you and shove it up some place even Renly never found.”

There are more, nothing concrete, but a consistent picture emerges that the two were lovers.

A more pertinent question would be, why is this such an issue to you?

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Yup, GRRM himself says that the first half or so of book 5 is happening at the same time as book 4, and at some point they converge and all the characters are included.

spambot :O

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/18441163

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It always disappoints me when people actually apologise over crap like this.

Extended trailer for Season 3 that begins on March 31st. Looks awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C1pbtBX9Kok

March 31st cant come soon enough.

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I find it humorous that HBO schedules the GoT season premiere for the start of spring...

Any word on who is cast for Hoat, or are they just writing the Mummers out?

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I find it humorous that HBO schedules the GoT season premiere for the start of spring...

Any word on who is cast for Hoat, or are they just writing the Mummers out?

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They most certainly have not been written out. The trailer shows Brienne fighting a bear in a pit, and what appears to be Jamie fighting a Mummer.
The rumour was that Ned Dennehy has been cast as Vargo Hoat.

Edit:
Google search shows that things have changed, they seem to have changed Hoat to Locke.
http://winteriscoming.net/2012/10/fi...-taylor-is-in/