The March of Time - A Stainless Steel 6.4 hotseat

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Originally Posted by deguerra

Doomed? AI? I think you've been colluding with those dastardly Danes! Did you not see my grand master plan unfolding before you, leading to sure-fire domination by the norwegian Viking over the continent. Hmph! :clown:

But honestly, I thought I still had a least a turn or two worth of fight in me? Did Denmark really get to my western Norwegian armies that quickly?

Either way, congratulations to him and apologies that I could not put up a better fight and in person (though on second thought, those two may have been mutually exclusive). I'll let you guys know when I'm back from Germany if there's still a need for another player.

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Sure-fire domination? Doubtful. Mainland Norway would had fallen within 2 turns even when you had moved two stacks into defence or attacked Oslo. Don't know about plans you made with your army on Britannia. You would had no other choice but to land on mainland Europe and re-take either Groningen or Antwerp, otherwise your last army of Britannia would had sunk with pesky fleet of yours. Even if you would had tried to move army across shores of Britannia or Europe by moving it with ship(s), problems would occur with transportation via sea afterwards. (I think i've been playing too much strategy games like Vic2 and EU3)

After all, it was you who wanted challenge in beginning of game by choosing Norway. I just took my chance :P

Norway had pretty sizable forces on England AFAIK.

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Originally Posted by Myth

Norway had pretty sizable forces on England AFAIK.

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Hope I didn't make the wrong decision - it's not too late to switch it back and sub the faction properly if we think it has legs.

Yes, Norway HAD 4 quite sizeable stacks on Britannia at very beginning. 3 were departed to Antwerp/Eikundarsund AFAIK (I failed to sink carrying fleets, thats how I know), one stack is confirmed to have been remained on Britain. Or was it 5?

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Originally Posted by RexLegend

Yes, Norway HAD 4 quite sizeable stacks on Britannia at very beginning. 3 were departed to Antwerp/Eikundarsund AFAIK (I failed to sink carrying fleets, thats how I know), one stack is confirmed to have been remained on Britain. Or was it 5?

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it's not so much about how many there are as what they are made of, how well they are supported by essential units like catapults and spies, and whether there is money for forts

At the start of the game they seemed formidable but not enough to take on England's massive hordes of quality troops. Spies, siege units and forts I don't know. Though catapults can't open stone walls so unless he had trebs the point is moot.

I completed my turn, but Mithridate (Kiev) has asked me to sub him.

As his turn is right after mine, I will carry on but will probably need "his time", i.e. another 48 hours to do so.
Hopefully by Thursday evening I should be able to upload the savegame for the Khwarezm (unless we want to get Norway back in).

This is the upload for Kiev.

Phonics, if you can reset the pw, I can sub Mithridate (or, if he comes back soon enough, he can still play it himself).

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reset and sent to Nigel with the pw cleared earlier today

Here is the turn for the new ruler of the Kwarezmian Empire.

Welcome aazard!


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I'll find out if he's joining the game - some comments in the recruitment thread suggested otherwise. If not I'll skip this time and we'll try for one more turn to find another player before declaring them sacrosanct as per my previous posts on the subject.

Well it looked for me that aazard is not joining because he(she?) wants horrible vanilla hotseat.
One does not simply walk into magnificent Stainless Steel. :tongue2:

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Originally Posted by RexLegend

Well it looked for me that aazard is not joining because he(she?) wants horrible vanilla hotseat.
One does not simply walk into magnificent Stainless Steel. :tongue2:

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Please do not disparage other people's preferences. I know you're joking but we try very hard to be welcoming here, not critical of new members.

bump!

ok, still not sure if he's joining but it doesn't look like it so I've skipped the turn this time

Swabia

Wait why is Teutonic Order still present?? "surrender_regions" console command didn't work? :(

Well, all I can say is that I just skipped them, when their turn came up after Kiev.

They do not have any regions at all, nor do they have any armies. Two bishops is all they have left if I recall correctly.

Looks like assassins have job to do >:)

Sicily! Attachment 3521

Genoa up.

bump!

Ahem... Anyone??! Anyone out there?! 'Cmon guys... I don't like to wait pointlessly for my turn by checking more than 3 times in day. :(
Btw... Genoa seems to get some hard punch in all fronts.

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Originally Posted by RexLegend

Ahem... Anyone??! Anyone out there?! 'Cmon guys... I don't like to wait pointlessly for my turn by checking more than 3 times in day. :(
Btw... Genoa seems to get some hard punch in all fronts.

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Hey, I tried to help...

Your help is greatly appreciated! :)

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Originally Posted by RexLegend

Your help is greatly appreciated! :)

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I meant about Genoa, but I would do anything I could to keep things running quickly.

I could of course sub Genoa :)

It looks like nobody left a message for iggy that it is his turn though (I just did so). Maybe they sent a pm, but his inbox is pretty much always full so he might not have gotten it.

I sent a PM and it did not bounce back. Genoa didn't have any fronts really, apart from AI France. I warned Ignoramus to hold off on attacking Venice but he insisted. I did what I can to stop him from doing this, but allies are allies and I don't go back on my word.

Myth, I'm sorry, but you never warned me from attacking Venice - you told me yourself you deliberately didn't tell me so you could then attack me unprepared.

Ah, such diplomatic intrigue...

I LOVE it!

BTW: Don't worry, Myth, I'm not annoyed at you all personally - in fact, I prefer it if IC dealings stay IC and are handled in the Diplomacy thread - it stops acrimony.

Denmark:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9920

The Republic of Genoa wishes that the Sicilians stop their greedy land grabbing and bare-faced lies and negotiate a peace treaty with us. We are prepared to offer concessions, as our latest offer suggests. Otherwise, we call upon upon our friends the Moors to come to our aid!


The Sicilian fleet off the coast of Tuscany has been defeated and can't move next turn. Milan taken and that settlement in Nth Africa next to Tunis.

Also, I had a strange thing occur when I assaulted one of the Sicilian forts: I had a single trebuchet which breached one of the walls, but when it got destroyed the battle ended saying I lost, despite the fact that the fort only had a single circuit of walls and I could access everywhere. Anyone had this happen, or know why?

Igno I told you IC that Venice is much stronger and that attacking them would prove disastrous for you. Anyway how did you take that African settlement, do you have siege weapons? The Trebuchet probably did not destroy the wall fully. If even a tiny bit of rubble remains, it still counts as a wall. You have to hear the announcer say that you've breach the enemy's walls for the siege weapon to become irrelevant.

That fort is full of quality troops though, you'd have to have unparalleled skill in leading spear militia to victory over them. The GB unit and the Sicillo-Norman knights alone can probably kill 2000 spear militia.. Such is the way of SS.

Fatimid's Turn

Took two cities of Norway, which means Norway is no more. Attacked rebels outside of Turku and took control over Finland. Also declared war on France and took Metz. Another wave of landgrabbin'! :)

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Originally Posted by Myth

That fort is full of quality troops though, you'd have to have unparalleled skill in leading spear militia to victory over them. The GB unit and the Sicillo-Norman knights alone can probably kill 2000 spear militia.. Such is the way of SS.

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If led by a player yes, but with the ai leading them spear militia can deal with anything except GB fairly well. And european GB are no where near the monsters that the eastern ones are.

Not when he's assaulting a stone fort though. And the GBs/SNKs are tough cookies even if they are not Scholarii and Roman BGs.

Cumans

Myth: (No hard feelings but for record here is the PM)

"Respected Chancellor of Genoa,

we are surprised by your decision to wage war on Venecia. Truly, their armies are formidable and their republic stretches from Hamburg to Durazzo. Genoa is small, and you would be hard pressed to win against them. We also knew of the Mooris-Egyptian alliance, and yet the Moors went to war with France on your grace's behalf. The Egyptians are preoccupied with conquering Roman territories, as are we to be honest, as the more territories we take, that much less will be left for the Muslims.

Sicilly will need some time to think, as undoubtedly blood will need to be spilled. Let us know of your plan so that we may judge correctly."

No, it did destroy the wall, as the breech was promptly occupied by enemy spearmen and I did hear the voiceover. I probably wouldn't have won, but I didn't realise until I started fighting the battle that in SS fort are stone. Otherwise, I might have done otherwise.

That stack in Africa had a catapult in it. That's why I left it there - in case this happened.

You know, you can share that IC if you want. I figure that diplomatic pms should be fair game in the diplomacy rome. Although others may become hesitant to inform you of their plans in secret.

I think it fairly obvious I meant to deter you from attacking. BTW when siege assaulting, target the gate, as it's 2 times weaker than the walls at lest. I don't remember seeing a catapult in the African stack but I probably missed it.

I tried that with my first assault on Milan - and I ran out of ammunition. Getting the trebuchet rocks to actually hit the gates and not the gatehouse is quite a challenge.

Yeah, when you only have the one treb you need a bit of luck to knock out two gatehouses. One will go down 90% of the time though. When I have one treb I usually autocalc.

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The Grand and Noble Kingdom of Poland is up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9938

Also, the fellow in the dress and pointy hat in Rome sure likes France at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Zim

The Grand and Noble Kingdom of Poland is up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9938

Also, the fellow in the dress and pointy hat in Rome camping in the hills near Sicilly's Rome (because he is punished), sure likes France at the moment.

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Fixed for you :laugh4:

Turn 6 again ?..

Sorry, I mixede up the current turn 6 for the turn 6 we had last turn. ~;p

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9942

Np,

Moors up!
http://www.gamefront.com/files/21317913/MoT-Moors-6.sav

lithuania!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9943

Downloaded it and played my turn.

Kiev is up:

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Kwaz

Do we have player for Kwarezm?

Nope. Could someone please skip them? The pw should be clear.

Took care of this. And suprisingly, Swabia turn appeared! :)

Slysnake is already informed about that.
EDIT: Btw, next time slysnake will skip Kwaz turn when we still haven't found player for them. Or we could just make them to AI...

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Originally Posted by RexLegend

Btw, next time slysnake will skip Kwaz turn when we still haven't found player for them. Or we could just make them to AI...

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We're going to leave them human and just skip them as discussed here

So it'd be great if either Nigel or slysnake could do that each turn. Thanks guys!

Sicily!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/bhlu88

Wow. this came up fast. Sorry, I read the PM at work and forgot I was up. I'll do this tonight.

Since I couldn't wait on the Dodge's decision I took Piza and Genoa this turn. One of the two Genoese fleets has been sunk, the one with the army barely survived but can't move next turn. A Roman halfstack destroyed in the East.

Genoa up, though they are living on fumes.

Bumpty bump! Is ignoramus missing something again?

bump.

C'mon guys, I gotta have to go tomorrow. Should be able to do my turn tomorrow morning, so please... Ignoramus has gone missing again, shouldn't we skip his turn now?

Hmm, it seems that @phonicsmonkey has been forced to go on vacation.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053423802

Does anyone else have admin access to the game? Zim or NB?

Pmed Ignoramus. I can skip this tonight if need be.

Still no sign, 5 hrs and I gotta have to go.

EDIT: I appoint slysnake as my sub.

Sorry Rex. I was trying to to err on the nice side before skipping a turn, had not noticed just how soon before you wouldn't be able to play your own turn. :bow:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9970

Fatimids!

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3ey8m8

Cumans up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9972

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I'll be needing a sub for this turn. I'll try to get one quickly or if that's not possible, get Phonics to skip my turn.

I would have offered to sub you but you've been all mysterious like and not answered a single diplomatic message... So maybe I'm not your prime candidate :clown:

I could, if you want to (and leave me some pointers of what you want to do).
Or, if I remember correctly, NB has subbed you before, no?

Edit : ok, I did your turn, Zim.

Poland is up now:
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woops, I was supposed to sub England and I totally forgot. Sorry... Things have been crazy.

Damn, forgot about this. Ill do it in several hours.. sry guys.

EDIT: http://www.gamefront.com/files/21371731/MoT-7-Moors.sav

Lithuania up! @Nigel
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9990

@slysnake

I couldn't give you Corinth this turn because hotseat games don't let you accept 1 sided deals. I sent a counter offer where I give you Corinth in exchange for your map information. As long as that is okay with you, you should be able to accept it on your turn.

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

Lithuania up! @Nigel
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local...id=205&id=9990

@slysnake

I couldn't give you Corinth this turn because hotseat games don't let you accept 1 sided deals. I sent a counter offer where I give you Corinth in exchange for your map information. As long as that is okay with you, you should be able to accept it on your turn.

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As long as you will let me ask you for map information next turn :)

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Originally Posted by slysnake

As long as you will let me ask you for map information next turn :)

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sure thing, just make sure it isn't a one sided deal. you can offer 1 florin or something.

Hey, I'd pay you one florin for your map information :laugh4:

Did my turn.

@Mithridate, Kiev is up for you.

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kwaz

@aazard

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Originally Posted by Mithridate

kwaz

@aazard

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aazard is not playing - please skip the Kwaz turn and post the next one.

These are the special rules about the Kwaz:

It is forbidden to interact with the Kwaz in any way - they should be considered to be not a part of the game at all and their territories are not part of the map.

So, no-one can take any of their lands or attack any of their armies or agents. No diplomatic deals are allowed with the Kwaz including trade rights and map swaps.

Exceptions:

- if their armies and agents are in your lands you may attack and destroy them.
- if your victory conditions include territories currently held by the Kwaz you may take them and any territories along the way, but only if your other victory conditions have already been satisfied.

Please let me know if you have any questions about these special rules.

Khwarez skipped, Sicily up:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/0aoscm

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://img546.imageshack.us/img546/...2282145440.jpg

Genoa's royal bloodline has been severed and the faction is no more. Good game to Ignoramus!

Denmark up. @RexLegend