Wait you mean to start hotseat from now? I thought this was about doing more runs from this save until turn 60-70 instead of starting from turn 1 again.
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Wait you mean to start hotseat from now? I thought this was about doing more runs from this save until turn 60-70 instead of starting from turn 1 again.
You've asked for my opinion-here it is.
Not liking the turn 44 save at all. First, I think we should start on a "something-first" turn,( i.e. 51st, 61st, 71st) or "something-ninth" (i.e. 49th, 59th)that will make it easier to figure out when NAPs or such will end. I know you intend to keep a list of diplomatic agreements but it's easier to not have to refer to the thread while playing. I play in a window but if you play full screen you have to exit the game to check the list.
On the factions
Myth is going to have to manipulate the save.
Vipman wants the TO so he should be given a stack (or two) plus money and ending the vassilage to Novgorod.
The jihad should be allowed to run its course, not cancelled (city will be conquered on turn 45 or 46). THEN delete 19 units from Kwazem, 37 from the Turks, 10? from the Moors (half stack near Antwerp-can't they read a map?:laugh4:) and 4 units (or more) from Fatimids (small stack, may have more units join before end of jihad). After jihad ends, teleport generals back to faction's capital and give Constantinople to better of Hungary/ERE
Crusader States can be saved if given troops & money on turn 44 but it is in a tough spot.
A lot of work would be needed to make ERE playable.
The HRE is actually in a tough spot (I think Tonno wants Poland anyway) with only 3 male family members and one about to die. A human coalition could end it easily.
Damn, 5 posts in the time it took me to write this (and a PM).:laugh4:
If KoJ remain AI, sure you can add more armies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
But if KoJ is turned human (depending on Dur3x choice), KoJ shouldn't get any reinforcements for 2 reasons:
1-Like I said some post above, giving the block was meant to give a playable faction to each player for each block (so that if Genoa is doing bad, the player can still choose Venice). Since Egypt in in excellent conditions, the player can choose between a very easy campaign with Egypt, or a bit harder (but not impossible) campaign with KoJ.
2-KoJ like I mentioned in the past, has a too strong unit roaster: problem is not strength, while cost effectiveness of its units (like its zweihander or spearmen , templar units and so on). It's a killer faction and should not be helped in any shape or form imo.
And if KoJ it's turned human the units I added in the descr.strat (the templar guards unist) should be disbanded.
Because that stack that survived can easily destroy 10 or 20 stacks quite easily (particularly with a good general).
To give an example I used that army to defeat some Egyptian and Turkish armies: see the number of men lost.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
About AI Egypt defeating AI KoJ: that doesn't say anything. The reason is that the AI behaves badly for factions that are surrounded by other factions (somehow the many choices for expansions creates a stalemate that paralyzes the faction and doesn't make it use the armies effectively, while on the other hand factions on the borders with only one way to expand are much more aggressive and effective).
The best example is Scotland: scottish unit-roaster is extremely weak in AR (for both strength-cost-effectivenes and recruitment rate, and imo only cumans are weaker), while England has the 2nd or third strongest unit roaster.
Scotland should be then easily defeated (starting with only 3 settlements). Yes the William Wallace stacks helps, but that doesn't explain why are so resilient (KoJ starts much better ,has a stronger unit roaster and yet unless I gave ,like I did, templar guards units , it dies quite quickly). The reason is like I explained in its position that makes the AI act very effectively.
How can t you understand my logic , you have the factions ranking right before your eyes , and you don see that Turks are the strongest human faction?Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
if we going to start i m very pleased with that.
You do realize that HRE (which is the strongest) can be taken? Tonno can choose either Poland or HRE. Choice is up to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
Ideally yes, I was aiming at turn 60-70.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vipman
I even instructed Jiub last Friday to try (as he was supposed to be co-admin anyway) to make a run (more people try to make a run more chances to get something balanced), but then players opposed to him being co-admin.
Myth tried already to start from turn 44, but (turn 51 I believe) things got worse.
The alternative is to start with Vanilla setup. In that case Mongols (either they become human or AI) will keep their 6 stacks and money and get no further reinforcements.
But being AR only, everyone should be aware of what that means.
Most importantly players should understand that you can't have everything.
I have tried to give an example by being available to take any faction that was left (and like I said, even with turn 44, if anyone can play in my time-slot and like the Turks, by all means ask a swap and I'll comply).
A bit of flexibility (it would have been great if everyone trusted Jiub and Tavix ,whom by accepting to be co-admin were doing a huge favor) would help us to start.
I can't ask more from Myth who has been extremely patient with me and all of us in general.
I played with the Turks and they can take Antioch and Constantinople from turn one. after that they can destroy the best Persian army at Mosul. next turn Trebizond and Canakkale will fall and remember that you said at the beginning good players should get weak factions
About Koj is because there are two different scripts for 1v1 war and 1v2 war .Koj is doing good until another enemy steps in . you can give them 10 stack if they are at war with 2 factions they still act in deference . these script are very obvious in diplomacy also.
KoJ is doing well only because I gave it 2 super stacks. With Vanilla setup, KoJ gets destroyed between turn 15-30,despite having a better unit roaster. Egypt also gets attacked by the Turks, so the 2vs1 is not a valid point.Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
I ran already to skip-a-few in Beyond the dark and Under the sky HS, so I have already experienced the AI behavior.
About Kwarezm being detsroyed by Turks: the turn peace and the money Kwarezm got, gives Kwarezm the chance of recruiting many units if wanted. Turks attacked by Fatmids (who has a better unit roaster and buildings) and Kwarezm (better buildings and equal units) stands no chance.
The problem in balancing comes with JIhad/crusades mostly. That's why I wanted Jiub abd Tavix as co-admin to try to run the script too, as by trying many times we would have got the best save.
Like I said: I'm available to swap faction, if you can play at my time slot, by all means take the Turks and lets see how you'll do. And in any case, Turks (before Loose Cannon joined) were the last faction left (Ebs chose to take Moors-Sicily block rather than Turks). You took the Turks and played it against the AI.
Turks against human neighbors is a total different story (starting from the fact that crusade can be called after few turns, ending with Fatmids who have no threats and alone could easily destroy the Turks and I wouldn't want to spoil more about that).
About Constantinople and Antioch: Fatmids already control 2 large cities (Alexandria and Cairo) and with Jerusalem they'd control a huge city too.
Guys, if you are not in an immediate hurry I'm happy to run more saves for you until we get something great. My day consists of work, gym and then going home to have dinner and watch the world cup. While doing so, I'm running your saves. It fits perfectly so far, so worry not on that end.
Invicta, I asked you before but I guess you didn't see it or didn't have time. Can you explain how SS AR works and differs from Vanilla?
We had a huge argument on the TWC back in the day, because I argued with you regarding infantry in AR. In Vanilla and Kingdoms, the infantry with the most defence and men per unit dominates unconditionally. Traits like extra health, super high morale and endurance also help. So if we are playing let's say the Teutonics campaign for Kingdoms, the Teutonic Order's extremely cheap, esily available 21 defence Order Spearmen will clean house from turn 1. Same with Britannia's England which gets Armoured Swordsmen and Armoured Sergeants out the wazoo from turn 1.
You showed me an example where 4 units of Scholarii ARed I think 8 or 10 units of Arab Spearmen no problem. How exaclty does AR work in SS? And how would you rate the AR roster for factions?
Another quesion: do you guys play lead battles at all? SS lead battle games are super fun. It's the time where jav cav and HAs can be a nightmare instead of fodder.
Don't know very much about SS AR system but I did observe missile and cavalry units got up to 2-3 secondary hp while infantry 0 or 1. Secondary hp is not the main hit points you all know, it's a secondary hit points value, left over from RTW where it was used for elephant hit points, in M2TW it has no effect in lead battles but it has effect in AR. Otherwise this is probably the biggest improvement I see, along with the way unit stats were done, like spearmen having much lower attack value compared to vanilla.
*cough* *cough* you forgot to mention unit bonuses, such as ap or area effects for archers *cough* *cough*Quote:
Originally Posted by Vipman
I like the save. Almost everyone has a fortress or more except Denmark, Kiev and TO from what i checked.
I said unit stats in general and gave an example. And do I have to say my experience with SS is 2 SP campaigns of ~20 turns each I played like 4 years ago so are irrelevant and currently 1 (one) played turn in BfE?
Area effect for archers waaaaaaat???
The difference with Vanilla has to be with hidden bonuses given to the units.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
But in general, AP (armor piercing) bonus has a much greater effect in SS than vanilla.
Moreover many cavalry units have 2/3 in number of soldiers compared to standard infantry units ( on the EDU file, its 32 units for those cavalry, while on vanilla MTWII it's 24 for all the cavalry units, and swordsmen are generally 48). Same goes for archers with some units that have 60 soldiers rather than standard 48.
Archers do well against infantry (both swordsmen and spearmen) in SS, while in vanilla all archers units are mostly weak. Archers are weak against cavalry in SS, while in vanilla due to the lack of hidden bonuses good archers mostly beat cavalry.
Spearmen are only good against non-late cavalry units. Normally i believe that the only spearmen units worthy to be recruited (but it still not an excellent choice) are the Heavy Spearmen recruitable by all the muslim factions.
Cavarly units do well against archers normally.
I made a test once: basically (in full stacks with 3 trials for same battles), comapring units with the same upkeep, ME Heavy archers could beat Castrophilake (medium-good swordsmen) as also Scoutatoi Spearmen (equivalent of ME Heavy Spearmen, just with a higher upkeep).
The same Heavy Archers got beaten by Stratiotae Cavalry (ERE average cavalry unit). Stratiotae cavalry gets beaten by spearmen and swordsmen.
The Castrophilake beats the Heavy Spearmen. Halberd Militia mostly beats the Castrophilakae (due to the AP bonus) and the Spearmen.
Also I tested Pike units vs spearmen, and generally pikes beat spearmen as also do better against cavalry,but might be weaker against other kind of units.
Also what many people don't take into account is the recruitment rate: many factions have good units, but recruitment rate may vary greatly and that makes a huge difference. For instance All fatmids elite units have a very high recruitment rate.
That's one of the main reason why Fatmids AI beats KoJ AI (KoJ has a good recruitment rate, but Fatmids are superior in that regard)
On the other hand factions like TO have usually very low recruitment rate .
Another very important aspect to be taken into consideration, is the fact that some faction gets most of its best units in castle/cities , some in fortresses/large cities some in Huge Cities/Citadels.
This hugely affects the game, compared to Vanilla MTWII, in which there's no much difference in strength between units recruitable in castles vs Citadel. In SS a unit recruitable in Citadel might be 20 times stronger than a unit recruitable in a castle.
In Vanilla MTWII even the strongest units can't be 20 times stronger than the weakest unit in the whole game.
For instance in a short SS vanilla HS Sicily might be a better choice than Venice, since Sicily gets for instance his best archers at castle level (while Venice needs a Fortress with Archery range built).
Scholarii are very strong because they have a very high defense (units with 24 or more defense-although it should be specifically related to the armor- do abnormally well against weaker units) and ap bonus.
Last but not least: real recruitment or not and late or early era. Early era is very unbalanced, with ERE way way overpowered (as they gets their best units while other factions do not). Same goes with real recruitment. Late Era with disable real recruitment is the best setup.
Rating unit roaster depends (for the reasons explained above ) on the conditions in which the HS is played (like I said in a short vanilla campaign Sicily might be better than Venice, but in the long term-like more than 60 turns- Venice is better than sicily).
A general rating would be like this:
Very good unit Roaster:
-England, Novgorod ,KoJ and Fatmids
Good Unit roaster:
France, HRE, Turks, Norway & Denmark, Kiev, Hungary, Kwarezm
Average unit roaster:
ERE, Venice, Genoa, Sicily,Moors, TO, Lithuania
Below average:
Poland, Castille, Portugal, Aragon
Very bad Unit roaster (only for legendary challenges)
-Scotland and Cumans
But again, keep in mind that this charts does not tell the whole story.
If Lithuania can get control of 2-3 large cities than its unit roaster can become incredibly strong.
Until many fortresses are developed, ERE roaster is among the best (scholarii are very good, but you can recruit only one every 2 turns in Constantinople only, so having good units doesn't tell the whole story).
If Aragon can take control of Leon and Oporto and Zaragoza develpo into Large city , it can recruit both the incredibly cost-effective units Montesa and Santiago.
If Denmark or Norway can build 4-5 huge cathedrals, then they'llhave the best unit roaster.
And so on..
Fatmids is the easiest unit roaster to manage, as Fatmids starts with 2 large cities, and a Fortress and in the middle have a faction with a fotress and a Huge city.
And you should take into account who are your neighbors: Castille might have a worse unit roaster than ERE.
But ERE have to face the Fatmids and the Turks , particularly the Fatmids and possibly the Russians too, with Hungary on the other end that is certainly not weaker. When you take that into account, you'll see how ERE is not that good. Turks are quite good, but Fatmids are more powerful (and they have also better economy and position). So they might do well against ERE (which has the best economy overall, and thus can support more armies) but they're at disadvantage against Fatmids.
France unit's roaster is very close in strength to England, but England has a much better position,and France has its best cavalry in Citadels, while English cavalry are not that good and gain little in that regard by having citadels which are very hard to develop.
That's my little secret.. ha ha ha (to be more precise, missile units)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vipman
But to be honest it probably dosn't work, I never realy tested it.
I believe it works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonno
I also believe that with SS, having an army mixed with different kind of units is better than having a single type of units armies, so that different bonuses are given to the same army.
I do not agree that Turkey should be so great, and you sonnet, , why do you take empires so big, are you noob and do not know how to play? Or do not like to lose because you ruin your reputation as master of m2tw....
Are you even reading what he wrote? Turkey wasnt picked, switch faction with him if you want the turks.Quote:
Originally Posted by dur3x
From what you say it appears exactly as he had already chosen the Turks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Octavius Caesar
I let everybody choose the factions.Quote:
Originally Posted by dur3x
Ebs was the last to join, and I offered him to choose between Moors/Sicily or Turks and he chose the former (Moors/Sicily). Here's the pm I sent him:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Then Loose Cannon came after we started making the saves already, and took the block which until then was unplayable (Mongols/Cumans/Kwarezm). The faction choice has been made here in the thread, so anyone can read the thread.
My first choice would have been Venice/Genoa, but Core-i7-inside wanted them badly :laugh4:
Alternatively I could have chosen ERE. And in general I like factions in the middle of the map, because although more difficult to manage, there's also more action and excitement and political intrigue.
And like I wrote multiple times, if anybody wants the Turks just ask them as long as you can play in my time-slot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4AtBBVZ73UQuote:
Originally Posted by dur3x
My opinion:
Give Bruges and Caen to Scotland and give York and Edinburgh to England. :) Or give Caen to France and give York to England? Personally I'd like to own as much of the UK as I can and as little of the continent as I can.
Also, how much micromanaging is going to be done to this map? It seems some kingdoms are in weird situations with their troops scattered and some kingdoms have waaaayyyy too much money while others are in the negative or close to bankruptcy.
Ok so i believe the majority are still interested in starting the game as it is if i am right.I mean the save is not that bad.Not all the castles are developed but as far as i am concerned they don't have to be.Factions are pretty balanced too as far as i am concerned and with turks disbanding the 2 stacks at Constantinople I don't see a problem of turks beeing too powerfull.
We will never get a perfect save but with the proposed changes (To getting money and army, disbanding jihad armies etc.) i believe the save is good enough.I for one would really like to get this started.
This is what I like... the other isn't worth reading :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord Luka
With a little edit
Are we going to start this , 2 weeks of setup .
EDIT SAVE IS GOOD FOR MEE!!!!
LETS START!
Everyone is ok with the economical disparity?
Some kingdoms have 80k... others are in the negative.
Thanks Invicta. It seems that for one to be successfully at SS AR they have to get a good mix of units and train up generals, and go for strategic recruitment centers for their faction (and denying such to their enemies).
Mind if I add your write up in the SS section of my Hotseat guide? (See it stickied in the Throne Room) I will of course, give you credit and all that.
Faction choice: it needs to be known which faction you'll choose to play with:
Keep in mind that:
-Jihad armies will be disbanded.
-TO will get reinforcement and money (2 or 3 full stacks depending also on which Russian faction will be chosen)
-Castille will get an extra stack of santiago knights (half mounted , half dismounted) if Moors are chosen (if Sicily is chosen, then Castille shouldn't need any reinforcement being the only human faction in Iberia).
[00:00-13:00] Venice-MilanCore7-inside [08:00-21:00, time in Bangkok]
[13:00-17:00] Norway-DenmarkGaius Octavianus [15:00-19:00, time in Bucharest]
[17:00-21:00]Novgorod-kiev Makrell [18:00-22:00, Time in Oslo ]
[21:00-00:00] Moors-Sicily EBS [23:00-05:00, time in Sofia]
[00:00-06:00]Mongols-Kwarezm-CumansLoose Cannon [19:00-01:00, time in Tampa]
[06:00-12:00] Turks Sonnet
[15:00-19:00]koJ-Fatmid Dur3x [17:00-21:00, time in Bucharest]
[19:00-23:00] Castille-PortYuonyuon [21:00-01:00, time in Bucharest]
[23:00-06:00] England-ScotlandEmproment
[06:00-10:00] HRE-PolandTonno [07:00-11:00,time in Zagreb ]
[10:00-15:30] France-AragonJiub [12:00-18:00,time in Bucharest]
[16:00-19:30]ERE-Hungary Lord Luka [17:00-20:30,time in
[19:30-24:00] TO-LithuaniaVipman [21:30-01:00,time in Bucharest]
Please make your preference public.
@Myth : I don't mind it at all. On the contrary, I'd be glad.
Norway sounds good. Denmark is in really bad shape.
Kiev, and dont care which turn we start
Excellent we just need confirmation from EBS about which faction he wants and then we can start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makrell
if you will catch online this week then you are lucky .Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
Is he away?Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
I'm checking the save.
The save works fine(I think). :yes:
So I assume you're fine with Venice? (Genoa was not turned human but it appears to be much weaker)Quote:
Originally Posted by Core-i7-inside
I need to check the save.. but I can do this after work.. or if its late Sonnet choose for me.. to dont wait more..
Sicily own their starting settlements: Napoli, Bari and Palermo IIRC and the Moors are kinda huge ( all N Africa + Cordoba, Granada and Murcia in Iberia)Quote:
Originally Posted by ebs
What do you mean they are kind a huge , Sicily and Moors are the same as it is on turn 1 just a little bit evolved i will say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaius Octavius Caesar
The map is awesome . everything is perfect .
if he chose Moors he will jump strait in war with Castilia that s for sure
EDIT : WAR IS NOT A BAD THING in HS . also if he chose Sicily that didn t mean he will be better .other enemies are waiting there
@ebsQuote:
Originally Posted by ebs
Like @Gaius Octavius Caesar said, Sicily has its start starting regions as in Vanilla, 2 full stacks and 2k as treasury.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Moors have also the same starting regions as in Vanilla (with the addition of Cagliari), 2k in the treasury as Sicily, but many more armies.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Choosing Moors you'd have a relatively easy start (with this setup maybe the safest starting position). Sicily will be a quite though start (not impossible but very though, and you'll need some good diplomacy and you'd might expand slower, because the HS will be in auto-resolve only). If you want to be safe and sure your campaign will last choose the Moors. Sicily is a high risk campaign (if you get targeted by someone, otherwise with some good diplomacy -NAP with Venice mainly- you could have an entertaining campaign expanding against the Moors-).
You re right. I forgot that Moors start like that, i was probably thinking at Early Era Moors..Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
Sure, Venice is my favorite one. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
I am waiting. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by yuonyuon
So Moors I think..
Will be start in turn 44 or we wait till 60+ ?
We start exactly on what you see in the save, meaning on turn 44 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ebs
@ebs : yes like Jiub said we'll start on turn 44.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiub
Guys the passwords will be set by @Myth and sent it to you, and the official subbers you named.
As anticipated, some factions will get some reinforcements.
1-TO: will get 3 full stacks (57 units) and will get +60 (it starts with -8k, plus its first turn was skipped -my fault- and thus the treasury will go further down )so the faction will start approximately with 45k. All its neighbors have similar level of treasury and TO it's the weakest human faction. The 3 stacks will be composed as follow: 1 siege weapon, 5 sword brethren , 5 halberd militia, 5 knetchen, 3 livonian crossbowmen.
Those units might be distributed between the armies in the open and the settlements.
Reason for this is (as I explained to Vipman in a pm):
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Also since it's being "skipped" on turn 44 (again my fault: TO was meant to be the first, as in fact it is in the turn order, but I probably confused Myth as in the Time schedule Venice appears to be the first), TO armies in the outside will be moved on TO borders (so the armies will still be within TO regions).
2-Castille will get a full stack (20 units) of Santiago units (10 dismounted Santiago knights and 10 mounted santiago knights).
3-Norway start with less units than every other faction (and only 5 settlements): they'll get 15 units (huskarl axemen and foot men at arms). Those will be placed in Skara.
So the save will be exactly as the one you checked with exception of the above changes.
Also all the muslim players have to disband the Jihad armies at the start of their turn (as first thing before doing anything else). They can still use the extra mov.points given to their generals to return those more quickly to their lands.
FYI I found out that I had posted a pretty comprehensive list of console commands in my guide. Turns out I can turn any settlement we want into a Fortress (I can add population and finish construciton via console). Do we want to add Fortressses to the north of Europe?
@Myth:Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
There's only one faction imo that should get a fortress: Kiev, since Kiev is the only faction which as not either a fortress or some close by (or have some castle very close to upgrade). If you can also build barracks, archery range and baron stable in that fortress, so that'll make one but very good fortress.
All the other factions should be fine in that regards.
I'm sending you a pm with all the exact commands for the reinforcements.
So if pls upgrade Bryansk to a fortress.
So this rule is based on trust only then, some would respect it but others could get away because no one else find out about it, not sure how fair is that...Quote:
All the agents rules are applicable against both, humans and AI: please respect them
Well this rule is for debate. Like you said is based on trust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vipman
If players do not want agent rules applied to the AI then pls say so.
I have to add that this rule was thought with a map with the unconquerable area (when Kwarezm-Mongols slot was not going to be played by anyone, before Loose Cannon joined). Basically to keep a threat for the Muslim and russian factions (and not let have them easy game), I wanted avoid that someone could easily kill those factions by simply killing the family members (thus making all the settlement in the unconquerable area going rebel, and eliminating the threat with just few assassins).
Same would apply for AI factions in the conquerable map.
Guys I just want you remind a few features of the HS that someone might not have noticed:
-History is written by the victors : basically when a conflict comes to an end (like a faction is destroyed by another, or a war ends and a victor between the 2 is named), only the winner will have the right to write the history of the war (it'll end up in the 1st page in the appropriate section). The victor will write his version of the war in few lines. What he writes might not be necessarily true (so for instance, if Turks attack Hungary with a false pretext and win the war, I can write that the pretext was true and add more lies to it).
And the loser can't talk about the war he has lost any more in the thread.
Just to be clear: this has no real direct effect in the game. But it adds propaganda (as the time passes, and players forget about past wars, they'll refer to the section and the propaganda might have some effect.
-Official deals might remain secret until the very end & Bad reputation: you can make either official deals -which will end up in the appropriate section in the first page of the HS thread- or make a secret deal (known only between the 2 players).
If you choose to keep the deal secret, then if one of the 2 party involved breaks it or betrays it, you cannot make it public the betrayal.
You'll have to bite the bullet. This way we add a new option in the game: officially somehow give some protection since if the a player breaks an official deal his reputation will be publicly damaged and he'd end up in the "bad reputation" list.
If the player wants to keep the deal secret, he'll gain the advantage of secrecy but the trade-off will be the higher risk involved (since the other player can betrays him without suffering any consequence to its reputation).
Ha... look who came 200 years early:
https://i60.tinypic.com/2cy5kax.jpg
So this rule remains because I see no one saying he'd like to remove it... ok then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vipman
Tonno should I know who that is?
I believe Tonno is referring to this man:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vipman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huldrych_Zwingli
I'd also like to see the rule not applied to AI factions. Level 1 and 2 agents will not find any targets to improve their skills upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vipman
@LooseCannon1 & @Vipman
Would it be fine if at least assassin can't kill AI Family members , but everything else is legit?
That sounds better.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonnet
@Vipman @Tonno @Makrell @yuonyuon @Core-i7-inside @dur3x @Tonno @Jiub @Emproment @ebs @Gaius Octavius Caesar @Lord Luka
Ok under request of Vipman and LooseCannon1 this rule
All the agents rules are applicable against both, humans and AI: please respect them
changed in this one:
-You can't assassinate AI Family members : please respect this rule
So basically this is the only rule you need to respect (concerning the agents) against the AI.
It shouldn't change much, but if anyone wants to oppose this change please state your opinion
I was ok with the last one, but I accept the change.
@Vipman @Tonno @Makrell @yuonyuon @Core-i7-inside @dur3x @Tonno @Jiub @Emproment @ebs @Gaius Octavius Caesar @Lord Luka
Guys just 2 things to make the game smoother:
1- You should not stop playing unless the admin @Myth (or @Nightbringer) says so. If you suspect or even if you're sure someone broke the rules or worse cheated, send a pm to both the admins, but in the meanwhile you need to keep playing.
That's because: most of the times someone asks for a check, no rules are broken. In that case you'd stopped the game needlessly.
Even when rules are broken the issue can be easily solved by assigning punishments compensations.
Game will be stopped and turns replayed only when something really serious happens and that can't be fixed with the console by the admins.
2- Keep sending notifications to the player who comes after you. But in any case, not receiving any notification is not a valid reason to not play: each one of us know exactly which days of the week and time is turn will come up for sure (it may come up earlier and that's why notifications are still important, to facilitate each one of us).
@Vipman @Tonno @Makrell @yuonyuon @Core-i7-inside @dur3x @Tonno @Jiub @Emproment @ebs @Gaius Octavius Caesar @Lord Luka
Guys remember that you can only keep 1 assassin every 25 regions.
Ebs just pm'ed me because he has too many assassins and killing them takes a lot of reloading.
If you have the same problem, you can kill those in the next 1-3 turns . Just remember to only use one and kill the rest(through suicide) asap in the next turns.
@Vipman @Tonno @Makrell @yuonyuon @Core-i7-inside @dur3x @Tonno @Jiub @Emproment @ebs @Gaius Octavius Caesar @Lord Luka
Guys I added 2 new features about the Reputation mechanism:
1-the Succession-to-the-throne(aka change of player) with the untrusted Crowns list
2-The legend: a series of options that can be inserted into the deals. I got inspired by Jiub. You can still keep secret secondary terms for your deal, as long as they're clear and you keep a copy of the acceptance of such deals. But now you have also those option to use, if you want to keep everything in the open. For now there are only 2 options, but more can be added (if you have idea about the options, feel free to suggest new ones, the first option was from Jiub for instance. just remember they need to be extremely clear with no room for doubts, to avoid uncertainty about their interpretation/effects/execution)
It's possible I won't be able to play my turn on Saturday. If that's the case Tonno got the instruction to sub me.