You chat doodoo, I'm not even going to explain why, because you know it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
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You chat doodoo, I'm not even going to explain why, because you know it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Oh the wisdom of this one. :drama1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Reminds me of that gem of Spinal Tap wisdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
"The more it stays the same, the less it changes."
I certainly will. The forecast is for heavy rain, but I'm going to cast my vote no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by edyzmedieval
I already voted a couple of weeks ago. Which does make the whole thing about a 'run up' rather weird for me!
Go Brits, tense
Have you found yourself regretting your decision at any time suring this beskar?
House of lords delayal time: 1 year max. Commission delayal time 5 years minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
:creep: :laugh4:Quote:
Angela Merkel arrives in Athens airport.
"Nationality?" asks the immigration officer.
"German," she replies.
"Occupation?" "No, just here for a few days."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_d...nd_integrationQuote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
That is what I find when I look up delayal time to find out why that would be relevant or whether it's even true.
The Wikipedia article on the House of Lords is hilarious though:
I like especially how a PM can just willynilly assign his cronies there, the medieval bishops, hereditary appointees, it being mostly men and the comparisons with China and North Korea. Now you may say that despite all the members being unelected, you like what it does, but then what if I like what the EU commission does? Should democracy only apply if you don't like what unelected people do or can there also be more indirect democracy?Quote:
Originally Posted by wikipedia
The lords are incapable of stopping the passing of an act of parliament beyond the term of a year whereby they can attempt to shift public opinion, should the lords fail to do so the act goes through regardless of the content of the act, even if it is one that dissolves the house of lords itself. They are also incapable of doing basically anything without parliamentary approval.
The president of the commission is elected by the parliament but the other 28 commissioners require his ratification, meaning he can keep rejectjng candidates until he gets the cronies he wants and with their cooperation that president can prevent a bill he doesnt like from even being presented to the eu parliament. Combine a 5 year term with an immunuty to anything short of a vote of no confidence in the parliament that elelcted him and you find a greater potential for obstruction of democratic will than the house of lords could even dream of matching.
The EU is a system where will never be able to legally get rid of the commission as you require the cooperation of said commission to do anything including dissolve it, whereas the house of lords can be removed in one vote in the commons and at most a year of waiting.
They're like the queen: remaining because we will it and removed if we choose it. Whereas your commission will require a great deal more sweat and tears to remove.
According to the bookies it's a shoe-in for Remain.
Hrm, the bookies make more money the more people bet on the side that loses, still, it is undeniable that victory for either side is not certain.
Screw it, the Brits apparently can't even get out properly.
At least everybody else in the EU now gets minimum 5 years free of British moaning.
How much is the weather likely to impact things? Here in the US, rain and storms and the like usually favors the more passionate/dedicated side, which makes me think that Leave benefits.
Of course, the higher-turnout European countries might scoff at such a notion of something as small as rain getting in the way of people voting.
Well we just had 20 celcius with 85% humidity here yesterday and today started with a storm that came close to bursting the local riverbanks, but didnt do smeg for the humidity.
Walking to the polling booth was a strange experience, light rain, huge puddles, washed out gardens of the houses I passed, but wearing a teeshirt, an unbuttoned white shirt and a thin raincoat I was overheating and sweating in a degree I havent felt since I visited Washington DC in the middle of summer.
Heh, yeah, DC in the summer can be its own special flavor of hell sometimes. On the flip side, I remember visiting Belgium and France this time a year ago and being pleasantly surprised with the comfortable temperatures there.
There is a special place in hell for the weathermen who get it wrong; it's right next to the ones that got it right.
Casted my Vote to leave! Came back sweating Like a P.I.G. , Thor's battle with the god's last night has cause a lot of persperation
This was asked on the Daily Politics yesterday. It makes no difference apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I too just voted and it was bloody hot. Unfeasibly hot for the UK.
From the Guardian.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
One lightning strike hit less than 500 feet away, going by the less than half a second gap between lightning and thunder. Car alarms outside were also set off by said strike.Quote:
In London and parts of the south-east many were forced to brave torrential rain and navigated flooded streets to have their say.
Some polling stations were forced to close and relocate as the equivalent of one month’s rain fell overnight in the capital.
Kingston upon Thames council, in south-west London, relocated two polling stations in Chessington and New Malden. Local residents reported that polling stations in Barking and Newham in east London were difficult to access because of flood water.
The weather did not appear to have deterred the determined. Pictures posted on social media showed plenty of queues.
A vote so important god is forcing an extra day before the tallying so more people can get to the ballot box in time!
Makes one fortunate to live in the grim north then. :sweatdrop:
Started raining again, hard. this keeps up the river's flood defenses are going to return the investment early.
lol, that's optimism for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarmatian
what do you think happens if its Remain 52:48?
Tomorrow there will be a new EU. Regardless of whether ‘Remain’ or ‘Leave’ wins the day. Because regardless of who wins, it won’t be decisive in either direction.
The question is to whom will we be the better neighbours?
If Leave takes the day we’ll be better neighbours to the Eurozone, they will be able to continue their integration through the single market, as the Five Presidents Report indicated was their preference. We will, genuinely, be better neighbour’s to the core; free to cooperate and collaborate without constantly checking the small print to see if their salvation impinges on our fundamental sovereignty. We would be rather hanging peripheral europe out to dry. Without our support they will find it harder to resist integration at the level of EU27, via the single market. Yes, Brexit might prove to be such a shock that the periphery falls away to EFTA regardless, but that is an unknown. That might allow nations such as Finland and Italy to escape the Eurozone, but again it’s an unknown.
If Remain takes the day we’ll be better neighbours to the non-Eurozone countries, our presence will provide the tide that washes them safely ashore. Right now, there is a legal and moral undertow that is dragging the periphery towards full economic and political integration. Tomorrow would be the start of a process – which may take five years – whereby nations legally obliged to join the euro have the ability to say “no thanks”. Our continued presence with an exemption to ever-closer-union and the referendum lock will force the eurozone to integrate outside of the Single Market. Much as Cameron did with fiskal-union. That won’t come without pain and anguish in the eurozone however, because the urge to use the Single Market will be strong. Tax harmonisation via the SM? No! Fiskal tranfers vias the SM? No! Common liability via the SM? No! Speak slowly and loudly: “Within the eurooozowne!”.
My money is on Remain, 52:48.
The very process of attempting these measures at the level of the Single Market – necessary to make economic union survive and thrive in the future – will spin off peripheral nations into our orbit. The periphery will metamorphose into EFTA 2.0, with Britain as mid-wife. It will be a happier place all round, merely a question of how difficult the process transition proves for those involved.
A core able to integrate, a periphery happy to cooperate. Not a bad result.
Shouldn't that read "Stand up and vote for Boris' political ambitions"?Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
After Obama and Beckham, another infamous celebrity joined Bremain!
I'm really interested which way Gibraltar voted.
Buy Euros tomorrow everybody the pound is really strong
Remain, by over 95%Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizardo
Yes I guess that's due to simplicity as Gibraltar borders Spain and all that jazz.
I'd like to thank everyone who took part in this thread.
We all had our different points of view and sometimes the exchanges got a bit heated, especially after the awful murder of a wife and mother. BTW she was an M.P.
Whatever the result may I wish you all good cheer and happiness.
Looking good for Leave so far.
If so, I'm never trusting a British poll again after the surprise victory last year and now this.
Blimey.
"Do you hear the people sing, singing the song of angry men..."
Still not sure about the not be slaves again part, but there certainly been angry men.
The UK has decided, so now the UK has to face the consequences. I'm not sure there will still be a UK in a few years time, but that's part of the consequences that we'll have to live with.
Edit: It looks like London, Manchester and Scotland have been the big remain strongholds, with most of the rest lukewarm or strongly leave.
:bow:
52% votes for Brexit.
Pound and FTSE getting absolutely routed. Recession on the menu.
Second Scottish independence vote to be within the next 12 months, I'm calling that now. (This time it will pass).
Congrats UK. However this pans out, have pride that if your Union falls, at least it was bloodless and democratic.
What makes you think that? They have even less chance of survival now than they did 2 years ago and that referendum bound them, I think the scots are more honorable than to break thier word over this.Quote:
Originally Posted by naut
Actually I think this will unite the UK. Thank you Lord Jehovah for striking down upon thee the vision of buying gold days before.
^^ Complete opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
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Opinion in Scotland is for the EU. UK no longer represents Scotland's best interests. Especially once we see the renegotiated terms between the UK and EU being less favourable than previously + volatility in the currency/economy.
They now have the mandate, the means and the motive to try again and this time succeed in seceding.
......
Wrong. With Greens they have a majority to call it. And with the direction Brexit will push the economy (calls to close the FTSE to prevent panic selling lmao). They will have more than enough reason to get to the 1mln backers needed to trigger calling it again. I'm calling it now. Scotland to leave UK rejoin the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizardo
Wales is a red herring, and leaving the EU is categorically bad for them. They are the biggest beneficiaries of EU/London subsidies. Wales = failed state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizardo
"With the over two-thirds of the counting areas reporting a result the strongest predictor of how an area would vote is the education level of the residents. So far the results indicate that greater the proportion of residents with a higher education, the more likely a local authority was to vote remain."
Enjoy!! :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup: :2thumbsup:
The Scots voted on the economic argument. With the UK out of the EU, that economic argument is far weaker, as the UK has put itself outside the bigger market that the EEA is. If the UK will be subject to tariffs from its bigger competitor, it makes sense for Scotland to join said bigger competitor. There are some years still to go before we're fully out, but I'd imagine that Scotland will want to start aligning their economy with the EU now, in preparation for eventual entry, as there will be pain at some point anyway, and the Common Market is enough of a prize to accept the pain now rather than later. A choice that wouldn't have been necessary had the UK remained part of the Common Market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Also, if FTSE continues to crash like it's done already, then there's something to be gained in setting up Edinburgh as a viable competitor to London.
London subsidises the rest of the country. Yet we have a Tory government in power despite London voting Labour (by far), and we'll be exiting the EU despite London voting to remain (by far).Quote:
Originally Posted by naut
Motive? Yes. Means? Not now, they made an agreement with the last referendum, westminster can hold them to it for years. Economic? Thier economy is hit by this the same as ours and the EU is stil not likely let them as the spanish will be pissed at them for encouraging the catalonians, less now there is no ambiguity over no automatic transition.Quote:
Originally Posted by naut
Depends what deals the UK can make with the common market, german pragamatism or french policing, who wins will determine that. Pound seems to have stablized at 1.3 after dropping from 1.5 to USD. Euro dropped too to a less extent, we'll see about FTSE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Rumour has it Jeremy Corbyn voted to Leave after all.
Hey man my guys outta the normal stuff, noooz cud yu gi me the ti?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizardo
You can keep an eye on the pound here: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=GBPUSD%3DX+Interactive#{%22range%22:%221d%22,%22allowChartStacking%22:true}
Pound looks stable at it's new value, even grown a bit for the last hour or so, we'll see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLKSDT_2zPA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caP7VY5trw8Quote:
Land of Hope and Glory, Mother of the Free,
How shall we extol thee, who are born of thee?
Wider still, and wider, shall thy bounds be set;
God, who made thee mighty, make thee mightier yet!
Truth and Right and Freedom, each a holy gem,
Stars of solemn brightness, weave thy diadem.
Tho' thy way be darkened, still in splendour drest,
As the star that trembles o'er the liquid West.
Throned amid the billows, throned inviolate,
Thou hast reigned victorious, thou has smiled at fate.
Land of Hope and Glory, fortress of the Free,
How may we extol thee, praise thee, honour thee?
Hark, a mighty nation maketh glad reply;
Lo, our lips are thankful, lo, our hearts are high!
Hearts in hope uplifted, loyal lips that sing;
Strong in faith and freedom, we have crowned our King!
Happy now?
I sincerely hope this plays out well for the UK (soon to be England) and our british orgahs, but I fear it won't.
Good luck!
Yes thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by I of the Storm
Thats it David Cameron has become obselete. Should've played it safe and not taken sides. But I respect him for that.
Cameron's resignation was very amateurish. Our Prime Minister firstly ignored the referendum, did the exact opposite thing to the people's will, and declared new elections, which he easily won.
He is still our PM and looks like he will continue to lead us for the next three years.
Going to have to taste on this one for a bit to see if I like the flavour.
Cameron expounds a scenario of "steadying the ship" and effecting a hand off to new leadership:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36615028
We expected there would be losses. FTSE 100 dropped hugely at 8:00, then it climbed back up to reclaim half what it lost, now it's leveling out.
https://s31.postimg.org/j0nw73n5n/Untitled.png
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/indices/summary/summary-indices-chart.html?index=UKX
And now Sturgeon has officially confirmed that the Scottish Parliament will be pushing for a new independence referendum as a result of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
May we live in interesting times.
2 years too late and 15 years too early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
It's a plebiscite, same as this. This doesn't have legal force either, but no one will disregard the result. Same with a second Scottish independence referendum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
All highly predictable even before this result, but ignored. We've made our bed, now we'll have to lie in it.
The closeness of the vote is disturbing.
lol for hilarity watch the end of the press-conference of Juncker and the handpicked cheermonkeys they call journalists
YOU SHALL NOT PASS (out)
what a circus
Or how most of England voted to leave, whereas London, which subsidises them, was overwhelmingly remain. I wish all London's revenue is kept for spending within London, while the rest of England have to try to pay their own way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I did read a thing which advocated London being its own country, as it stops the rest of the UK developing due to power concentration, and it also holds back London.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
They'll have to pay for a lot of things on their own now.
Ah, but wait! They save 350 million pounds per week now, so all is fine ...:wall:
As a member of the academic community, I feel terribly sorry for my british colleagues. They are now excluded from a pool of over 70 billion euros of research funding - and Britain has always been a strong player in that field.
The positive side: less competition for the rest of us. But science and scholarship as a whole will suffer and that makes me sad.
It's not going to be spent on the NHS, as Farage has already retracted that promise.Quote:
Originally Posted by I of the Storm
The first of many more to come.
I love it when smug leftists lose and election. Ignore the north and Wales for 30 years and then wonder why they tell you to "jog on" (is that the correct term?).
hopefully this is the first of many. I suspect Germany will try to break the UKs balls on the exit deal, maybe that will be the end of it all.
also, lol at Scotland thinking they are going to just jump back in.
Politics would ALWAYS be easier if political life were a series of 70-30 wins....important decisions are seldom that clear cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Heck, on our side of the pond we seldom have a President elected by margins larger than that of yesterday's EU exit vote.
Our political fabulists are suggesting that the UK devolves into:
England
Scotland
Ireland (all 32!!!!!!!!)
Spain (taking back The Rock by plebescite)
They further suggest that England will not be the only exiting group.
What say you lot over there?
I would suggest that Churchill's old aphorism about 20 and 40 might well answer this gibe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
The thing is, not having it clearcut leaves a bad taste in every ones mouth. Similar with like the Scottish Indepedence which was a similar result. If it was 60/40 or 70/30 people would be like "yup, we lost, we have to accept it", but when it is 52/48 people are like "just a couple more votes would have meant we won!" which leaves them feeling angry and frustrated, and they start to blame people. "if you did a little bit more, we would have won!" etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Being honest though, David Cameron was a poor choice for "In", and the whole "Tories for In" and "Tories for Out" was farcical. Labour virtually did nothing, and I understand Coryn wanted leave, he should have at least stood up and said it, instead of half-heartedly not doing anything.
Libdems actually did a decent "In" campaign which didn't resort to things like "Leave would trigger WW3", but no one cares about them since the collapse under Cleggers.
Corbyn lost probably his bet chance to gain popularity. Labour's traditional supporters were the same ones voting leave and the arent going to let it go unremarked.
They're idiots, have irish blood/sympathies, or both. Scotland is the only one with a chance of leaving, Northern Ireland voted largely along the Protestant/Catholic line and while the protestants might have had some choosing to remain in the EU they sure as smeg arent going to go against the grain for a reunion vote while the IRA members are still kicking around. Gibraltar voted on a referendum in 2002 that gave remain with Britain 98%, I dont think this pissed them off that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Scotland... it will be sad to see them go, I hope they dont but if they feel they must the least I can do its bid them adeu, though they most certainly arent going to get back into the EU now.