Napoleonic Mod

Hullo Lordz and Wellington,

Like I said I've been kicking around the idea for a Peninsular war campaign since the infrastructure won't need to be changed too much (most Spanish cities/fortresses were very medieval in structure&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif. Looking at using the basic Europe map and renaming provinces like what I did for WotRoses.

About scaling, I think it can work either way. This isn't meant to be a historical recreation by any stretch of the imagination. It's a GAME So if Badajoz is stormed by 16 units of 160 0 men max then thats fine with me. Though frankly I'm thinking, unit-wise, our scale here is one stack of 16 units=one army corps of two divisions with supporting arms and HQ. Otherwise, people can just compute in their minds that 'realistically' each soldier should 'represent' ten men or something like that.

Will Viking Invasions feature multiplayer strategic campaigns or better diplomacy rules? Particularly the ability to 'violate' allied territory without declaring war Sure hope so

Factions for the Spanish Peninsula:

French (2 or 3 representing = the French effort vs English (Soult, Junot, Ney, Massena) / French effort vs Spanish (Suchet, Dupont) / French 'King' Joseph and his bodyguard and supporting units)

British (around 2 representing Wellington and either Beresford, Moore, Stuart or Lynedoch)

Portuguese (1 representing their army and guerrillas)

Spanish (all remaining factions, being grouped regionally - each region struggles not only vs French but against others and possibly against the British and aims to come out as top dog - Galicia, Asturias, Aragon, Andalucia, Murcia, Valencia, Estremadura

Best of luck
Lord de Clare

Uglyriu,

I am very interested in your maps...I made a battle of Marengo and plan more battles soon. Could you send me your battles files?
I am looking for people interested in making historical battles so if you want, we can work together..

Lord Le Bob
http://napoleontotalwar.tripod.com

Heya LeBob,

I didn't see anywhere to send you my mappack on the link you provided so can I suggest you just download the map pack from the org? It's in a zip file called "Ryu_European Maps". I also put up a page with some shots of the maps that you can look at here
Working together on a map project like this sounds fun too.
Let's use the messenger to discuss that since I'm DYING to use that fancy messenger thing they got here

Uglyryu and Brother Derfel, Your requests for a command type unit have not gone unheeded and have been taken into consideration I will discuss this with LK upon his return meanwhile the work on the Campaign as a whole continues . As you all know viking expansion pack is due in a few days and this will help us to complete our work. Many possibilites are opening up Modding wise, as most of you who have been play testing the units know many new things have been done with the MTW vehicle. The Lords have brought you moving artillery when some thought it impossible and v 1.7 contains new animations from other sources , So we thank you for all your input and suggestions keep the feedback coming. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

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Quote[/b] (Ugliryu @ May 04 2003,18:01)]I guess what I'm trying to get at here is even though my reasoning for wanting a command staff was basically unsound, I'd still like to be able to use such a unit as my general. Of course I'm just a guy doing some talking not the one doing the actual work......

*Begins to plead with The Lords for a command staff*

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Your pleas have been heard http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

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Quote[/b] (Wellington @ May 04 2003,18:26)]Has anyone made any progress with regard to a new campaign map for this "mod"?

Is such a new campaign map essential in such a mod?

Just asking

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We are currently planning to use the existing campmap with a few province name changes. This will serve our purpose for now a new map is Not essential.

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Quote[/b] (Ugliryu @ May 04 2003,21:12)]Heyas,

Just tried some of the units in the 1.7 release. Pretty cool stuff. One thing I noticed that when the Scots were busy gunning down the Young Guard, the Young Guard bodies were appearing as dead horses. I know those guys were big men but holy cow Anybody else getting this? Maybe i just have a bad install...

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Probably not a bad install something new was tried for the animations in v1.7 they are actually imported from another Napoleon game. So not to worry keep play testing and keep the info coming it is invaluable to us thanks again. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Uglyriu,

I got it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif I will try them tonight.
I got some order of battle for the Austadt battle. My idea was to have the historical campaign done. For example, the italian campaign will regroup 4 or 5 battles...
I am looking right now at Hougoumont...part of a waterloo sub campaign with La Haie Sainte.
You mentioned the messenger...cool but where is that?

Also concerning the general unit...I was thinking also the same think. It will be nice to have one. In the Marengo battle I have, the annoying think is that the general charge in front with his cavalry guard and of course died...I think the unit should stay in the back with no intention to charge....

Lord le bob
http://napoleontotalwar.tripod.com

Hei, all

I have been experimenting with the troop stats and the game play balancing this weekend. I have edited both the Crusaders_Prod_Unit11.txt and the Projectiles_Stat.txt. I think I have the infantry vs infantry combat parametrs in the box.

Musketeers load and shoot faster( 3 shots per minute). But riflemen take longer (two shots per minute). Troops with better morale, charge, attack and melee capabilities (f.ex the French Old Guard and the Scots Infantry) tend to use the bayonnet a lot. All fits in nicely with what we expect from a nice Napoleonic tussle.

I will be testing the cav vs inf next. Comined arms would follow after that.

Best,
Cuirassier

Do any of you guys know how to convert real pictures into potential portraits for your game?

I have also played a bit with the stats.

I have modded the Handgun to make a carbine type musket that cavalry (dragoons, carabiniers) might use, with a slower reload time and less accuracy. It can also be used for poorly trained infantry.

I slowed down the rates of fire from the basic 1.7 stats actually because of the rotating ranks.

I also gave most infantry 1 supporting rank to help against frontal cav attacks as well as some small bonuses against cavalry (which I may remove).

It's tough to balance... becuase the AI is really inept at using the new units, you really have skirmish against a human and try different stuff out.

LeBob: Your messenger is in the top right hand corner of your screen. I sent you a test message a little while ago, hopefully it went through.

To Cuirassier66 and Soapyfrog: If you two want a live target to test your unit stats on, I volunteer my services. It would be nice to play against an army that doesn't skirmish away everytime I say "boo". If your interested in that, message me with a time (GMT) and day that would be good for you to play. I think all it would involve is you sending me your prod11 and projectile files. No biggy.

Lord of Storms: Thanks for listening The senior officer on the field, the one yelling at that cannon battery over, thanks you for considering lifting the responsibility of command from his unworthy shoulders

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Quote[/b] (Demon of Light @ May 05 2003,12:30)]Do any of you guys know how to convert real pictures into potential portraits for your game?

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Does this require some sort extensive knowledge? Is it even possible? I have an idea but I am uncertain if it is feasable (hence the question)

Uriglyu,

I must be still asleep because I did not get any message from you and I don't see anything on the top right corner...
Anyway, I have a file for the battle of Hougoumont that you might be interested in.
what are the next maps you plan to do? I would like to provide you with the order of battles and the files so we can have full battles (maps + armies)...
you can use my email cte_fan@yahoo.com
thanks

Lors Le bob
http://napoleontotalwar.tripod.com

The lords

Hi guys about the command unit Uglyryu, Lord LeBob compile a list of unit characteristics that you would like to see, Keeping in mind type, stats, behavior etc. be as detailed as possible and we will try and work something out from everyones input. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

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Quote[/b] (Demon of Light @ May 05 2003,12:30)]Do any of you guys know how to convert real pictures into potential portraits for your game?

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Dol , I am not the expert on this that would be Kraellin he works up alot of the Avatars for the Org . I know what you are asking is possible you just have to size the photograph properly in a photoshop type program and overwrite/replace and existing portrait in the game

I'd like to see two types a mounted and dismounted. I wouldn't give either of them firearms, just a sword, as it was a pretty rare day back then when officers would pick up a musket for the purpose of firing on the enemy. Maybe you could give them a handgun but nothing beyond that.

I was thinking that maybe having the dismounted version with 10 men would be enough but maybe 20 would be better.
They won't be pumping up anybody's morale ( unless of course you get a sp campaign going) and 10 men seems a little fragile to me. I'd like to see the dismounted because who wants to ride their charger into the breach at Badajoz? Not me brother

As for their actual prod stats, well until you get the manuever unit, projectile stats are all balanced, I'd wait to do them as then you'd be working off a good information base. I'd just make sure the morale and honor was higher.

LeBob,
I sent you an email, hope you got it.

The next map I'm doing is Borodino. Not the whole battle field just the Raevsky( probably spelled that wrong) redoubt and surrounding area. Basically the center of the line with Borodino on the attackers map edge and the redoubt deep in the center defenders position. I also plan on fixing and updating the maps I've already done as the ones I released have some topography details I wasn't sure about and some iffy texturing.

After i'm done those I'm going to start on the Peninsular campaign as I have an excellent reference for it in Captain John Kincaid's " Adventures in the the Rifle Brigade". I'll probably start with Busaco and work my way through his book from there. I have a nice map of Badajoz also so I'll definitely be doing that. I'm dying to storm those breaches. Too bad we didn't get ladders in MTW

Hi guys,

I'm back http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

How is it, when I go away, I get more mail? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Plus I have a few things to catch up on here too.

Which is good thing really. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

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Quote[/b] ]Quote (Demon of Light @ May 05 2003,12:30)
Do any of you guys know how to convert real pictures into potential portraits for your game?

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Does this require some sort extensive knowledge?

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No.


A copy of photoshop and a scanner, if the image is from
a format that needs a scanner.

Just clone the image onto a tga from the game.
This is not the only way but it's simple and it works.

I like simple it gets results quicker. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

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Quote[/b] ]Quote (Ugliryu @ May 04 2003,21:12)
Heyas,

Just tried some of the units in the 1.7 release. Pretty cool stuff. One thing I noticed that when the Scots were busy gunning down the Young Guard, the Young Guard bodies were appearing as dead horses. I know those guys were big men but holy cow Anybody else getting this? Maybe i just have a bad install...

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I just put the wrong coords in the deadpage coords.txt thats all.

Just open the file and copy the coords from another
unit that does not have a horse.

A new update will be available shortly.

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

What I am more looking for is a way to make a picture resemble the MTW portraits in style. You'll notice that the MTW portraits all resemble oil paintings made during the Renaissance. Is it possible to make an actual photograph of a person look like an oil painting of the same person?

Yes you can yet again with photoshop.
What this has to do with our mod i'm
not sure.
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LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

Welcome back LK how was your trip ? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif
guess i'll have to get back to work now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/rolleyes.gif

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hehe is that a trick question ? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/flirt.gif

It is good to have you back LK now rest up and lets get back to work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

yea welcome back m8.

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Quote[/b] (Lord Krazy @ May 07 2003,14:54)]Yes you can yet again with photoshop.
What this has to do with our mod i'm
not sure.
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LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

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Good point. Let me explain:


I don't know how you guys are doing for portraits but with so many different factions, I'm guessing you don't have nearly enough. My thought is that if suitable portraits are difficult to come by ( lots of time spent scouring history books) then a more feasable option may be to convert appropriate photographs into portraits for your mod. If it is easy and quick to do, then all that is necessary is a large number of photographs to work with. This is not difficult. Most sites that track celebrities include head shots that may work for this purpose. I'm also thinking quite a few patrons here would donate pictures if it meant being a Napoleonic general.

How are you guys doing with portraits and how quickly are you finding them?

If you like the idea, I can see if I can track down a site with suitable photographs.

P.S: If nothing else, this idea is a way for the people who helped build this mod to insert themselves into the game.

I see, then we could have me as Napoleon. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Or GW Bush as Fredrick the Great. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

I like the idea and it has potential.
However I think we will stick to ripping off
other media sources and modders for now. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
It's easier that way believe me.
We have a lot of portraits that can be converted already.
Some have been so far.
I still have to confirm we can use them in manner
that will break down according to faction.

I wonder if my gran would mind being Queen Victoria.
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Thanks
regards

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

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Quote[/b] ]I wonder if my gran would mind being Queen Victoria.

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Hehehe

Didnt just post to laugh at your look a like nan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
Can you send me them units we spoke about LK i got nothing to do till tommoro when i get VI so im gonna do some.

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Quote[/b] (Stormer @ May 09 2003,11:11)]Didnt just post to laugh at your look a like nan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
Can you send me them units we spoke about LK i got nothing to do till tommoro when i get VI so im gonna do some.

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I just got back so it's the robots week off now.
That means you will get them when my frail human carcas
can get round to it.

Your more like a hurricane than a storm http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

btw making fun of other peoples grans is
against the forum rules

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LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

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Quote[/b] ]I just got back so it's the robots week off now.
That means you will get them when my frail human carcas
can get round to it.

Your more like a hurricane than a storm

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Try going to school 5 days a week then you know what can get around to it means http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif

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Quote[/b] ]btw making fun of other peoples grans is
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A set cariculum sounds the better option
at present. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

@Demon of Light,

Please read here: http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....;st=150

I'm still busy with the portraits. As for the number - I probably have enough Generals, Spies and Emissaries. I'm still lacking princesses, Admirals and especially Clerics (Priests, Bishops and Cardinals).

So if anyone would be willing to research the www for the portrait types mentioned above I will be more than thankful - actually I posted this before but unfortunately there was no reaction. It's WORK to go through - sometimes - pretty boring sites in search of these portraits. Probably this is the reason I'm doing it alone until now :-(.

I think it might be quite difficult to combine faces from photographs with other parts (uniform collars etc.) from oil paintings from that time and keep up a certain amount of quality and consistency. Not technically - should be easy in PS - but a whole lot of work - probably more than researching and scanning.

Hi hal http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

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getting VI in couple of hours http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
do you have it yet LK?

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Yes I have it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

lord krazy the green jackets fire way too far...its impossible to win when playing against someone with greenjackets http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/frown.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/wacko.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/shock.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/idea.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/mecry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/argue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

get in close, or get a cannon. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

Jango green jackets have special powers. I post you a cheat. LBA

erm LK they aint the stats for they units are they http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/rolleyes.gif

i think they need a little tweaking this is what i think needs to be changed in my opionuion.

- Rifles men have less range.

- more morale on cav

Thats about it so your nearly perfect http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif

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Quote[/b] (Stormer @ May 12 2003,09:23)]erm LK they aint the stats for they units are they http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/rolleyes.gif

i think they need a little tweaking this is what i think needs to be changed in my opionuion.

- Rifles men have less range.

- more morale on cav

Thats about it so your nearly perfect http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif

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A little tweaking?
Ok next time I'll use a 10 sided dice. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

- Rifles
Historicly or in gameplay terms?

- more morale on cav
you get what you pay for. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

Thats about it so your nearly perfect http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
Ok next time I'll use a 2 sided dice. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

OK don't worry they are not the final stats.

The final ones will be much worse.
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LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

Hi LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

ROFL - everytime I ask people to help with research it gets rather qiet - it seems to be the easiest way to be left alone. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif

I messed around a bit with the frontend images (cloth-type background aso..)and got them running, but when I want to load a game the red loading box fills halfway and then I can hear a pinging sound from an errormessage but I'm not able to see it. It's in the background somewhere on the desktop and alt+tab ist no more working neither is ctrl+alt+del. I have to restart the PC.

Any Idea?

I did as you told me by opening the original files and just copying the changes into them before saving. And it does look good - until the second half of the loading box.

As for the portraits I'm still busy converting them - should be around 150 now with probably another 100 still left to do (not quite sure if the numbers are right but should be around that).

Will post some more examples soon.

hehehe

id rather pay for Napolonic mod then VI http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif

but im not gonna http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

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ROFL - everytime I ask people to help with research it gets rather qiet - it seems to be the easiest way to be left alone. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif

I messed around a bit with the frontend images (cloth-type background aso..)and got them running, but when I want to load a game the red loading box fills halfway and then I can hear a pinging sound from an errormessage but I'm not able to see it. It's in the background somewhere on the desktop and alt+tab ist no more working neither is ctrl+alt+del. I have to restart the PC.

Any Idea?

I did as you told me by opening the original files and just copying the changes into them before saving. And it does look good - until the second half of the loading box.

As for the portraits I'm still busy converting them - should be around 150 now with probably another 100 still left to do (not quite sure if the numbers are right but should be around that).

Will post some more examples soon.

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Well for a one man show your not doing to bad
anyway http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

when you save the files you create in photoshop you
will not end up with the same format as the file in
MTW as a rule.


I'm going to give a simplistic example
for my sake. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Open new tga same size and so on as tga in game,
add new image to new tga, save, add to game.

It won't work. simple ok. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif


Second option

copy an original tga from the game
open said tga in photo shop
clone new image onto said tga.

Save said tga

Put said tga in the game you will
see it. It may not be the most difficult
correct way to do it but it works.

The lbms are worse. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

so what did you change and how?


BTW please don't post it here it could get messy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

thanks

regards

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

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Quote[/b] (hal269091 @ May 10 2003,09:11)]@Demon of Light,

Please read here: http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....;st=150

I'm still busy with the portraits. As for the number - I probably have enough Generals, Spies and Emissaries. I'm still lacking princesses, Admirals and especially Clerics (Priests, Bishops and Cardinals).

So if anyone would be willing to research the www for the portrait types mentioned above I will be more than thankful - actually I posted this before but unfortunately there was no reaction. It's WORK to go through - sometimes - pretty boring sites in search of these portraits. Probably this is the reason I'm doing it alone until now :-(.

I think it might be quite difficult to combine faces from photographs with other parts (uniform collars etc.) from oil paintings from that time and keep up a certain amount of quality and consistency. Not technically - should be easy in PS - but a whole lot of work - probably more than researching and scanning.

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Truth be told, it was actually the very post that you directed me to that gave me the idea initially. I was asking about the ease of accomplishing such a task precisely because I thought it might be a more viable alternative to the research involved in getting authentic portraits. As you stated though, the task is too labor intensive to really be worth the trouble so...

Might I impose upon you to grant me a request Hal? The identification picture for my college is, by pure coincidence, a nearly perfect thumbnail of roughly the same proportions as a MTW portrait. Might I send you that picture that it may be rendered into a portrait in the style of Medieval Total War?

P.S: I'm looking for clerics now...

@LK

I'll send you an email.

@Demon of Light

Sure mate, just send the pic to: webmaster@finupdivers.com

Hal,

Not much here but one or two might serve for clerics
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/2783/pictures.html


Again, more pictures but several are still from the wrong era. Let me know if you want me to do some sorting (shudder) http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/V...2603/image.htm

Apollinaris of Posat
http://www.capuchinfriars.org.au/apollina.htm
He exists the same era as Napoleon. He was killed during the French Revolution after refusing to swear allegiance to the Revolution. The site has names along the left side of the screen. These are Franciscans of note. Little attention needs to be paid to era as Franciscans are remakably consistant about their attire. Several pertraits there but you might want to religate them all to priests considering that bishops and cardinals looked MUCH different. Still, Franciscans did alot of the church's grunt work so it seems fitting that they would be represented as priests in the mod.


Another site. Much easier to navigate and some of the pictures look usable
http://carmelnet.org/galleries/Saint...ng/listing.htm


This is what I have for now. Let me know if more is needed.

The site below might generate more images.
http://jerome2007.tripod.com/catholic_web_links.htm
I don't exactly know what you are looking for so please specify if the type of images you are looking for are among those I supplied.

@DoL

have a look at www.npg.org.uk - its the far most useful site for these portraits I ever found.

A very good example what I'm looking for is: http://www.npg.org.uk/live....ole=sit

Prerequisites:

1. The portrait should have been made from 1750-1850
2. The face of the sitter should be roughly the size of an MTW portraits face - not less. Larger is ok http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif
3. If it comes with a name it should be used as file name - later I can create the names lists from these.
4. The style should - if possible - be like an oil painting. It's much more work to change the look of drawings, prints or lithographs into the appropriate style.

I.e. Goyas paintings were very useful for me but I don't know enough portraitists of that time so I could search the web for their names.

What I'm still lacking:

1. Generals: Still Austrians missing (white Uniform - i have some 12 or 15), I have enough Russian, British, Prussian, Spanish and French

2. Admirals: I have mostly British (no surprise) but not enough of them (high priority)

3. Emmissaries: I have enough of them, but would accept more if the portraits are nice (low priority)

4. Spies and assassins: see Emmissaries

5. Priests, Bishops, Cardinals: I have not more than 20 - so lots of them missing (high priority)

6. Princesses: I have not more than 50 - so still some of them missing (but not at a high priority)

7. Monarchs: Not sure about what to do with them - of course I have the ones that ruled through the Napoleonic period - but probably they will not be enough. And in the game they never will be assigned correctly.

1-7 for Muslim (Ottoman Empire): I only have 4 or 5 portraits at all - so nearly all of them missing.

I guess someone who is more skillful than I am in modding the gamefiles should start thinking about the structure the Nap Mod will use. Will we try to use the religious structure in some way? During the Napolonic Period religions were not really a matter neither created differences between the factions (except maybe for the Ottoman Empire).

So what for could these structures be useful. May we be able to use them for assigning the right portraits to some of the factions? I.e. by dividing by uniform colours (blus for French and Prussian, red for British a.s.o.)?

Or will there be other items like development trees which will not match but override these needs?

I guess that the implementation into and the use of the religious system structure within the Nap Mod could be one of the most challenging tasks to do.

When considering this of course we should think about the development trees for the different factions. Hopefully we'll find a way to use them for grouping our Napoleonic factions so these groups could match the existing religious structure.

Just some thoughts...

In the meantime I will go on with the portraits - btw DoL - you didn't tell me what you would like to be - a princess I assume http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

I'd like to be a European MTW general. Did any of the pictures work in the links I sent or is searching through those links for appropriate pictures my job?

@DoL

Yes, some of the pictures were useable - I already sorted them out. BTW - I guess I didn't thank you for the links - done herewith. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

I wouldn't mind if you could find new ones. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Not a princess... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/mecry.gif ... I was really looking forward doing that.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/mecry.gif

LK you planning on makeing any new units of faction for your mod or you just putting the fisnishing tounches on it now
btw realse date?

and you site outta bandwith it said to me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/mecry.gif

Miiror Link for Nap. ModStormer, here is the mirror link for the Nap. mod you should be able to get what you need here, as far as the Mods release date The Lords still have some work to do before the entire mod is released, with VI's release we have been busy sorting things out. The campaign script is being tweaked, trade issues, Names/Titles etc. being addressed I am sure once we complete and release the Mod as a whole the end result will be worth the wait http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif So until then enjoy the Unit Betas and keep sending us your feedback. Thanks LOS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

sweet, add some more british troops will ya http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

btw u making a campgin for it.

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Quote[/b] (Stormer @ May 14 2003,07:58)]sweet, add some more british troops will ya http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

btw u making a campgin for it.

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That's what we tought you were waiting for. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

The unit betas are just a sample of what we wish
to do with the whole game.

The units were released just to show
we have not just been talking about it.
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Plus to see if people would be interested.
They seem to be

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As my brain but that won't stop me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

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As I have stated before
I was released a long time ago
and I don't want to talk about it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/wacko.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

same old crap http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif

Well Krazy; me, 'stormer', 'jango', 'thomas', 'mich' and someone by the name of 'general wellington' have been playing it alot. AT least i am now reasured by the fact that many of the probs will be fixed, for example the fact that the brits kick everyones buttox.

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Quote[/b] (Stormer @ May 14 2003,15:47)]same old crap http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif

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Well if people keep asking the same questions,
apart from telling lies, I shall continue
to give the same answeres. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif

When I have a different answere,
I won't be keeping it to myself, don't worry. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

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Quote[/b] (Tenkisoratoti @ May 14 2003,18:50)]for example the fact that the brits kick everyones buttox.

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I don't know why that is.
They should all be the same more or less.

Anyway good to see "the dirty half dozen"
keeping the mp flag flying. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif


LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

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Quote[/b] ]Anyway good to see "the dirty half dozen"
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look at us as your beta testers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif
im glad brits kick ass not our fault we are best country http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif also LK i found a problem Cav loose to normal inf both on same Valour i cant be doing with this as i love to bring over 50% of cav to battle all the time just ask the dirty dozen they have felt the Royal draggons, life guards, scots greys wraith http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

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Quote[/b] ]im glad brits kick ass not our fault we are best country

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Ricky watch it, its all good to be patriotic but dont go starting a flame war.

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Quote[/b] ]also LK i found a problem Cav loose to normal inf both on same Valour i cant be doing with this as i love to bring over 50% of cav to battle

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Ricky get over it lol, the infantry made up the majority of a napoleonic army. Never ever do a frontal assault, use diversional cavs and cavs to attack the flanks to cause disorder, then lead a bayonet charge with infantry in the centre while the enemy muskies are disordered from the flank cav attack and youll have a nice clean rout. Like krazy said this is only the beta, evolution has only just begun.
Long live the nap mod and may it reagn hard in VI.

TenkiSoratoti

Gaaah forgot to say, krazy the green jackets make the brits the best and the same goes with the jaegar infantry for the prussians. I think we have made a rule now not to bring them against nations that dont have those long range snipers.

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Quote[/b] ]Ricky get over it lol, the infantry made up the majority of a napoleonic army. Never ever do a frontal assault, use diversional cavs and cavs to attack the flanks to cause disorder, then lead a bayonet charge with infantry in the centre while the enemy muskies are disordered from the flank

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Get over it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

ah not too botherd still beat you lot with them anyway http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

You have yet to beat me.

Ok guys I left the other thread open
that Tenkisoratoti started so you could
make that your mp toasting ground. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif

So take it there. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Thank you.

btw if you could stick to the fundementals there,
it would be nice also. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

However I will understand the need to throw taunts
across the battlefield if stormer keeps winning.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

I'll see you in the mp thread. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

Ok, i was merely pointing out that i have wooped ricky's arse so many times and he aint wooped me once at nap mod yet so ha

Anyway LordKrazy i can get you a huge database on all the units that fought at the battle of Waterloo, ligny, quatre bras, nivelles etc if you really want, im not sure how deep youll be going into the time but it would be a sin not to recreate those particular battles.
Plus wellingtons finest troops were located in the colonies (now known as america http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif), im not sure whether yuo'll want those troops either? because i think they were present in the peninsula campaigns....

TenkiSoratoti (some would say the last of the tenki)

ok tenki here i go bring up bad history.

yes you beat me in a 2v2 but rember i was holding off 2 of you ( u who had a hill advatage with them stupid jeagers inf) and about 4 french troops. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/smile.gif

Oh the baenet charge we had yep i won that ok tenki the sooner you get over it the better btw we must have a 1v1 tonight http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif


OH its on

Lk i was wondering is it possible for u to create new formation say instead of the wedge maybe tunr it into a sqaure for cav charges and they get morale. also i got 2 bugs iv noticed

-when french young guard die there bodies are horses
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-the royal dragoons some times when chargeing have a shadow below them which is the soldier on horses back but wearing blue lol its weird.

thats it for now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

Ricky doing the old change the formation thing would mean completely remaking the engine I THINK (i think one of the team can correct me). And either that is too much work or it cant be done simple as that.

LK is wondering if stormer will ever have the
time to read the other posts in this thread to
see if any of his questions have been answered. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Like the Young guards question answered already.
About four pages ago, somewhere after
the formation explaination and before
your questions. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

It seems I could just make a career of dealing with you.
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Anyway while you boys are playing mp
mostly then surly one of you must know
how to edit the prod11.
(if not i will show you)
Then you can edit it and send
me the variations that work for you.

I'll then post them as the standered mp files.

Does that sound ok to you.
Then you can leave me alone.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

(apart from dead french men that turn into horses and
two headed charging horse men) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

btw please don't speak of these things as been
mine.They are ours, that is what modding is all about.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

Regards

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

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Quote[/b] ]Anyway while you boys are playing mp
mostly then surly one of you must know
how to edit the prod11.
(if not i will show you)
Then you can edit it and send
me the variations that work for you.

I'll then post them as the standered mp files.

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Quote[/b] ]Does that sound ok to you.
Then you can leave me alone.

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Neverrrrrrrrrr http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif

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Quote[/b] ]btw please don't speak of these things as been
mine.They are ours, that is what modding is all about.

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No but you should.
At leaast the last ten pages.
You may even get something from it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif

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btw please don't speak of these things as been
mine.They are ours, that is what modding is all about.


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I meant this thread, mod and all
the work we do at the Lords
is not LK's it's the communities.
i'm just a small cog in a big wheel.
You badger me to change stats
so you are part of the process too.
I do my share and others do thiers
so I don't want things spoken of in terms
of being mine.
That's all I meant.

A lot of people are working on this and
I would hate to think that they are over looked
because I do the readmes.

I know you did not mean anythig by it
I just tought it another ggod chance
to mention the fact.


As for the stats well you keep asking me to change them
for multiplayer and I am giving you guy's the chance to
do it.

You know what you want so do it.
Like I said one of you must know how to do it
and if not i'll explain.

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Ok I live in hope http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/smokin.gif

stats be nice how you could tell me how to do me and uxbridge really involved in this game we cant stop playing it. its turned to an addiction he said earliar you see what you have created LK (and his men in tights http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/joker.gif )hehehe on a serious note can u tell me how to do these stats things if we do r u gonna change them in like a couple of months once the whole things realsed cause i stick with the ones atm if you are.

anyways thxs for reply. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

anyway i can get Napoleanic mod
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif

anyway i can get Napoleanic mod http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif

Goldenknight,

go to http://napoleontotalwar.tripod.com

Lord le bob

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Quote[/b] (GoldenKnightX2 @ May 19 2003,17:08)]anyway i can get Napoleanic mod http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif

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You have to use the Mirror link to get the Nap. Mod unit betas the main site has reached its bandwith. Here is the Link Nap. Mod Link http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Thanks LORD OF STORMS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif

didn't have time to read this whole thread, but when will this mod be all polished and ready for the public to download?

Well LK says to me "when its ready" but i think about a couple of months

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Quote[/b] (Teutonic Knight @ May 20 2003,11:55)]didn't have time to read this whole thread, but when will this mod be all polished and ready for the public to download?

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We are currently modifying the Nap.Mod campaign script to adapt it to VI, A new tech tree and buildings are in the works also. I would say a few months sounds about right , We are striving to make The Mods first release a quality project and this takes time , with VI now out we had to decide which platform to use for the Mod and we chose VI for now, and with that we all had to give VI a good going over to get used to the changes made to the files.So a little patience and the end result will be worth the wait. Thank you all for your support and feedback. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

With your adaptation of the mod to VI, will people who have not yet had a chance to buy the expansion still be able to play the mod? Also, I understand that the creation of heroes is now possible. Has there been any discussion about who to include and what the stats will be?

Oh goed I just got a new comp and My major half year exams are next week, but after that expet me to be around and setting up sites.

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Quote[/b] (Demon of Light @ May 21 2003,16:11)]With your adaptation of the mod to VI, will people who have not yet had a chance to buy the expansion still be able to play the mod? Also, I understand that the creation of heroes is now possible. Has there been any discussion about who to include and what the stats will be?

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Quote[/b] (Efrem Da King @ May 22 2003,06:05)]Oh goed I just got a new comp and My major half year exams are next week, but after that expet me to be around and setting up sites.

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Good to have you back EDK, I like your avatar by the way very nice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif keep us up to date on your site and Thank you for your continued support it is greatly appreciated. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

Can't get on your side. You have exceeded your bandwidth????? If you are going to do this how about getting a real place on the web?