RTW Bugs

I had a graphical glitch last night as the carthaginians.

I was fighting in the north of italy, and one of my two units of regular (non-shooting) elefants was fighting some italians in a forest when I noticed that there were archers standing on the back of the elefants! I didn't see any of the archers fire though but it looked weird without a basket for them. They also looked much too big for the smaller elefants. I'm pretty sure (although not certain) that the archers weren't there when the battle started.

I also just had a ctd after clicking the battle summary window (total victory thank you...) .

I noticed one funny thing that I had an unit routed on the city wall. Since there was no place to flee they just froze there waiting to be killed.

While the strange thing is, their foe was soon eliminated after because my another unit was closing in to help them. These poor bastards was killed to 8/80, but because of their friend's arrival they didn't get completely wiped out. However, they didn't recover from the routing status throughout the battle and just freeze on the wall with their white flags up. No matter how close I move the good unit in between them, comforting them, wiping off their tears and encourage and massage and... no chance. They froze.

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Another strange thing I just encountered was that mysteriously 2 of my slinger units (not grouped) get stuck in the middle of a Roman town street. I can't move them at all - they respond to orders for 1 second. They can change directions and group shape but cannot move at all. ~:confused:

a strange graphical glitch i seem to get with the shoulder pauldrons on companions - they're revolved 90 degrees and look a bit like a big shirt collar or summat, not quite sure what's causing it...

A settlement without any walls surrounding it acts like it does when you have troops near the pathway and outer buildings. You tell your troops to go into the city or out of it when they are on the path and they'll run around the outside of the city.... but there aren't any walls keeping them from leaving. This was beyond frusterating trying to fight my troops to get them to go certain places....

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Originally Posted by Maltz

Another strange thing I just encountered was that mysteriously 2 of my slinger units (not grouped) get stuck in the middle of a Roman town street. I can't move them at all - they respond to orders for 1 second. They can change directions and group shape but cannot move at all. ~:confused:

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That happened to me once. As a last gasp I disabled skirmish mode and suddenly regained control of both skirmish units. In my case numidian cavalry

Apologies if I'm repeating something already posted. I had a 20-card army vanish when disembarking from a ship. The fleet had gotten kind of beat-up during a difficult crossing of the Aegean, (two sea battles, but I won both), so I sailed it into a dockyard for retraining, moved the army (had a good family member on board too) onto the land, clicked on the city to issue the retrain command, and the army was GONE. Just like that, disappeared, poof! Any ideas?

The game crashes back to desktop during the rebels turn.
Reloading doesn`t help.
Restarting doesn`t help.
Rebooting doesn?t help.

If anybody has any idea what to do, that would be appreciated.

Last night I smashed the wall of the city out from under an enemy unit, sending half of them falling to their deaths. When that happened the unit ran across the gap, through the air like Wile E. Coyote. A few of them must have looked down because about 5 or 10 more fell just before making across, but most the rest of the unit made it.

It looked very funny really.

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Originally Posted by Magraev

I had a graphical glitch last night as the carthaginians.

I was fighting in the north of italy, and one of my two units of regular (non-shooting) elefants was fighting some italians in a forest when I noticed that there were archers standing on the back of the elefants! I didn't see any of the archers fire though but it looked weird without a basket for them. They also looked much too big for the smaller elefants. I'm pretty sure (although not certain) that the archers weren't there when the battle started.

I also just had a ctd after clicking the battle summary window (total victory thank you...) .

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I have a screenie of this very thing.

Playing as Greek Cities, I notice that none of my walls goes above "Stone wall". On the strategic map, I've got Epic Walls and Large Stone Walls, but on the tactical map, they're only plain Stone Walls.

not really a bug, but something important to add -

when you conquer a city and you have the options occupy, enslave and exterminate, can we please have a note ow what the population is at that point. i enslaved Larissa playing as brutii in the short campaign, and after a few turns it still had the largest population of all my cities, even my capital. i should have exterminated the populace!

and another suggestion, making naval battles more interresting, for a big patch or the expansion set, can we get formation options for naval battles, before autocalculating the results, it would make those battles a bit more exciting...

When enemies dies their limbs sink into the ground.

when fighting on a bridge with too many men some of them tend to commit suicide by jumping into the river. (they actually do die!!)

Oh yea and when I'm playing the prologue campaign the mini map is sort of fuzzy and shows a large a small version on the italy map all rolled into one...wierd.

Probably been mentioned before (i can't find anything on search tho) The problem is with auto tax management! With the auto manage on the tax level seems to stay at Low no matter what the public order level is!!! I've had settlements on 205% public order stuck with Low tax rates! It's not the money that i'm bothered about it's more the fact that all my governors are now "useless tax assessors" etc.

Ho hum!!!

*Ringo*

5 things bug me:

- Pathfinding during sieges. A* algorithm is not the best, if it sends half of your unit inside & half outside the wall. I am willing to sacrifice (video) performance for a better algorithm during sieges.

- AI during any battle: Good overall, however: Cavalry charge too soon, and usually the front. Why is this? Can we modify this? Generals/family members should not be the first to charge, they should be the last.

- AI units during sieges, receiving fire (no time limit): Move to the town square or up the (level 3 or higher) walls & stay there. (do not patrol up and down the street till you're dead. ie no dynamic AI during sieges pls for a challenge and no timer)

- Group behaviour? Why are groups behaving so strange when i order them?

- The map is too small for 4v4 or even 3v3 battles. The map is too detailed & too small for the historical battles. I would like to re-create the Time Commander maps.
So campaign map & battle map editors please :) . Faction editor (tech tree & descriptions) more useful than Unit editor (most serious modders have 3D studio max anyway).

This is a continuation of a discussion from the admiral star thread. I thought that mod caused a CTD but then it looked like it was the 'fort destination bug' -but now I wonder!

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Originally Posted by barocca

my most common cause of campaign hang-ups and CTD's is the fort destination bug,
(now i know about it i have had no more CTD's)
where if an army is targeted to attack a fort over multiple turns the game crashes at end of turn cycle, (when the ai factions are making their moves)

make sure none of your armies are attacking forts they cannot reach in one turn,
best to have them "targetted" to move next to the fort and attack the next turn.

cheers,
B.

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I wasnt attacking a fort (but maybe the AI was). On the other hand, I found an auto save that allowed me to play again without losing more than a turn. I've had 3 more CTD on different turns, over about 20 years of play, since that first CTD yesterday.

The winxp security alert nag has been bugging me after I installed the latest ZA update yesterday. Therefore, I wonder whether this CTD is related to either the ZA update, the XP nag, or both?

UPDATE (NOv 14): I havent had another crash since I turned off that damn nag. It may (or may not) have interfered with the game somehow.

Some of the bugs i have crashed into that may not have been pointed out:

1) I was playing against the gauls as the julii and it was a bridge battle. I was heavily outnumbered against all their cavalry and men. So i thought what the heck, and charged the bridge., I wasn't even halfway over it, when the gauls reached the bridge, but instead of going over the bridge, nearly every last one of em jumped in the river!!!

2) Sometimes there can be bugs with the tesudo formation. I was once assaulting a town, and put one of my cohorts in testudo to protect them from enemy skrimishers, but when i disabled it, half of the men carried walking with their shields above their heads. I nearly lost the battle because i couldn't get enough support up front to my general.

3) This isn't really a bug, just something that spoils the game: when people die and they have shields, sometimes they curl up on the floor. The shield goes through their body though, so it looks like someone tried chopping them in half with there own shields.

4) Everynow and then, at about 8:20pm, my game will just randomly crash. I don't know why, but it is tres annoying.

5) In a siege, when you sally forth from your town to attack an enemy, your cavalry will be too fast for the opening gates and run through the actuall gates.

This one worked in my favour last night...

I was under siege, and deployed some Levy pikemen (just the Seleucid infantry one up from militia) and their enormously long spears at the (wooden) wall where the enemy rams were attacking.

Then I noticed that, as the rams reached the wall, my pikemen had the 'engaged' icon on them, and when I looked closely, you could see that the spears actually appeared to be poking through the wall and killing the men on the ram, who would die and be replaced by other men from the unit... who would die and be replaced. To cut a long story short, the enemy never came close to breaching my walls, and, with the help of my archers, my army killed 1100 for no loss...

I dislike abusing the bugs. It spoils the game.

Minor bug, but worth a mention - I eliminated the Armenians from my recent game. I ran across a stack of their old units, and bribed them, as they had two generals in the stack. Turns out one of the generals had been their faction leader (I eliminated them by capturing all their cities). When I bribed him, he still had the "faction leader" virtue. That virtue should either be removed when the faction is eliminated, or removed when bribed (or both).

Bh

I don´t konw if someone related these bugs I didn´t have time to read all this page...

Before I installed the patch 1.1 , when I captured the last city of the gaul the game crashed , going to the windows, always, the same happens in other game, I was the brutii and when I captured the last city of the macedonians, the game crashs returning to windows :embarassed:
I was having problem in instaling the patch but I could solve, I was hoping that the game wouldn´t crash anymore by taking the lasts citys of the other factions, buut....playing as brutii, when I captures Corinth (wich has the temple of zeus) the game crashed but corinth wasn´t the last city at that time! and saving and loading againg don´t solve this problem...neither reseting the pc...
did anyone have this problem??
please help me, at this way I will never be abble to complete a imperial campaing, neither play with other factions ... :embarassed:

btw I´m brazilian, if the english is too bad... ~D

I forgot to say that before I installed the patch, in a game that I was the brutii, I was abble to capture Corinth and I didn´t have any problem that time....maybe the wonderful temple of zeus has something related to what happens when capture the last city of a faction...or ...I don´t know, please help :embarassed:

This one has probably been mentioned before, but you can do this yourself:

Start a Seleucid campaign, VH/VH, no advice, buy Halicarnassus. Presto, 20% loyalty bonus in all your provinces though you're nowhere near the Statue of Zeus world wonder.

Plus wonders only last 4 turns if they give bonuses, making the Pyramids one of the best (permanent). Are these bugs?

I found some more problems recently. I don't know if you could call them bugs though, and i think they're just restricted to my computer:

1) When setting up my troops for a battle, barbarian mercenary cavalry looks like roman cavalry from a distance. (it turns red!!)

2) When on the strategic map, assasins and spies do their actions very quickly. The assasin bats his club on his hand so quickly, you would think he was trying to kill him himself, and spies just look ridiculous because of how fast they turn their heads.

i'm pretty sure this is a bug/oversight... i atack a julii army just landed south of thermon with 2 stacks, one east of them, one west, also thermon's garisson sallying to attack - but i remove the family member from the other stack to avoid him killing himself - so these guys appear just off map as reinforcements - after a small amount of prelim. skirmishing the romans leg it away from my army...but through the reinforcements waiting off the edge of the map, who they massacre, without a single one of the romans dying - basically eliminating any advantage of reinforcements or pincer movements where you dont get a family member suiciding under the A.I

1. Small unts of elephants/scythed chariots , run amok immediately the battle starts.( eg. say 5 chariots)

2. As a protectorate(Seleucids as protectorate of Egypt) I have full military alliance, I should be able to see my allies cities etc, (like the roman alliances can) on campaign map but can't.

dont know if this has been said before i cant be bothered to read 9 pages to find out its to late.

i was just in a battle that lasted 45 mins (i took time off) because the enemy troops had one guy left and he was running up and down the red battle edge line my archers wouldnt engae him and my general and cav couldnt run him down and my heavy inventry wouldnt hit him nothing was working i even tried blowing my generals horn to scare the guy across the line.

the battle lasted 15 mns max but cos this guy was running up and down the red line my troops wouldnt engage so i turned on my tele and watched it for half hour then the guy ran into my army and gothimselfkilld t was very anoying.

i din want to end battle cos you lose more troops that way.

Likely these, as well, have been stated already. But as the previous poster mentioned, nine pages is way too many to lookover in order to preclude repetition. Evidently a table of contents is necessary and past due here.

WAY TOO MANY SHIPS produced by the AI. I mean, I am seeing over 100 of the Brutii in the north Adriatic alone; it is beyond me how such a 'bug' could be ignored by the playtesters.
Come on, this is plain sad. :embarassed:

Also, the bloody battle screen controls are driving me absolutely nuts! Control using the hot keys (shift 1), tight and loose formations, as well as special abilities like testudo (f or t?) are tempermental at best.
Get with it CA. This stuff should not have been overlooked and left to players to mod out. ~:handball:

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WAY TOO MANY SHIPS produced by the AI.

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Here, here!! I agree with that!! I have tiny little poor nations like spain pouring out huge navies!! Even though a single ship costs a fortune, and takes a while to produce.

Extremly stupid AI when at siege. I killed 2500 Brutii soldiers (my towers infact) by luring them with my cavalry under walls. They were just staying there until most of them were dead (no time limit).

Game is fuuuuul of bugs and battles are tooooooo, way tooooooooo fast.

I wanted GOOD STRATEGY but this game never heard for STRATEGY. With Julii Im able to defeat all armies that are little larger than my just by rushing straight on them. (medium dificulty).

This could be GREAT game but many bugs made it almost unplayable for me!

This list is made by PorT Forums users representing the Portuguese Community of RTW.

MAJOR BUGS - Affects all game evolution.

- Diplomacy Exploits: Bribe to cheap & AI give to much money for our map information and for a lot of turns! (ex: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=39732 and https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=39707).

- AI is to slow to expand in campaign map!
Even with great army's and surrounding weak enemy's AI take a lot of time to attack and expand. See other Roman army's behavior with great army's and staying in same place for ages and aborting a lot of siege attempts just to start again in next turn!

- AI don´t chase and force battles like human do.
When AI attack with a greater force, we can retreat and they never pursuit us and force battle as we do when we fight AI army's.

- Troops disappear!
Many times after a battle the surviving troops disappear in Campaign map, this happens to human and computer. After failed sieges several times huge army's are missing.

- AI ships work badly.
AI don´t block our ports, AI don´t defend they're ports of being blocked, AI don´t free blocked ports!! This has a major impact in economics.... with that huge fleets if AI block ports game would be a lot harder!

- Victory conditions should be 2/3 of the provinces and Rome at least. It is possible to assure 50 citys, and suddenly attack ROME and win game avoing civil war.

MINOR BUGS - Affect only small part of game.

- AI always suicide our other general!
When we have 2 army's in field and AI controls one, the other general always suicide him self charging alone vs the entire enemy army.

- AI don´t use saps and onagers (most effective siege weapons) in sieges!

- AI build mass navys in lakes. Examples: http://www.portclan.com/imagens/lobo...sNavy_Lake.JPG and http://www.portclan.com/imagens/lobo...Navy_Lake2.JPG

- Rams and Siege Towers to weak.
All Rams are destroyed by towers before gets a stone wall and a lot of siege towers don´t get it also. Like AI ONLY use this siege engines it is to easy to stop a siege attempt.

- AI´s army stay under fire in siege after ram is destroyed.
When we destroy the rams, the army instead run to out range, stay in place being killed by our army's and towers.

- AI don´t repair walls.

- AI rarely do landings and when do it takes few and weak army´s.

- Orders to groups in battle map work badly!
If grouped, units not react to run order and many times is difficult to maintain formation.

- Wonder´s bonus work bad and after 2 rounds disappear.

- AI´s army in city's central square don´t react to missile fire.
Is dumb see Heavy Cavalry being slaughtered by missile units like that.

- AI rarely use diplomats to bribe (besides it be so cheap!!) and don´t use assassins ans spies either.

- In sieges if you atack when you are besieged, and in battle stay inside walls, AI aproaches (without siege weapons) and let be killed by your Walls/Towers fire.

DETAILS:

- We can´t join several admirals in same fleet.

- AI attack very bad rebel city's.
It seems that against rebel, AI works even slower.... they take a lot of turns to conquer simple towns with low army's... and many times they abort siege just to retake in next turn.

- Carthage start to weak in game!
Carthage was the only nation that in the game time period attack Rome in Italy! Was a great nation with a very strong army and in game is the easy faction to conquer and we get a large city by bonus! Carthage should have a great implement of strength in RTW.

- Amazon warriors general is a MAN lol!!
Maybe this is not a bug lol! Maybe to CA an army of women must have a man to coordinate them lol!!!

- Spain should ed call Iberia.
Spain didn´t exist at that time under that name.

- When Civil War Starts we still see other Roman Factions army.

For patch i sugest one more Feature:

Penalty for no acomplish (ignore) Senate missions should be bigger. If sistematicly player fail it, should be considerer out low and banish of Roman Empire.

Gauls to are to weak...germans...etc...

I expected (and feared) strong Chartage...but they were no threath to me!!!

AI have problems when attacking Forts....

I think they not attack at all, they stay around and do nothing :(.

One more thing....Im in war with Bruti, one of my huge city is cut of. I have cca 600 man inside and Bruti have 5 full armyes near my city.
Few times they launched siege/assault but only with ONE army without general and always only with one ram and one tower against my epic stone wall......they can crush me like little bug...but stupid AI spoils damn game so my city is still there in the middle of heir teritory.....

How to play this game....its unplayable...

In sieges, phalanx units' spears can poke through wooden walls and engage men on the other side as they try to ram. The enemy never gets to break through the walls, as as soon as a new man from the unit replaces the dead man on the ram, he too is kebabed. The enemy keep doing this until there aren't any men left in the unit or the clock runs out.

Only tried it with Seleucids, but worked for them with militia, levy, and bronze shield pikemen.

Apologies if its been posted before - so obvious I'm sure it's been noticed!

Archers tend to kill hlaf of the friendly army when defending the hill and placed in 2nd line....its so damn annoyingand stupid.

At one moment I turn back and what did I see.....half of my praetorian cohort DEAD, half of my legionaries...DEAD....my auxilia 29 men still alive on right wing....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....I hate CA, I hate them, I hate them....

This probably isn't a bug, but i'll post it anyways. Playing as the greeks, i've captured athens and all the cool cities and stuff. I can spend as much money as i want, but i'll get twice as much money back at end of turn. It's ridiculous!!! My income has gone through the roof, so i now earn about 17K per year, and i have 217K to spend!!

A few more bugs:

* If you withdraw after having suffered some casualties, you lose troops as if you routed. Needless to say, this should not be penalized. If your troops rout (ie break morale) they should suffer a penalty.

* On the campaign map, above Damascus, parts of the roads disappear if you move to the north or south.

Allied with thrace, 2 full stacks of ships, gold chevrons gold armour and weapon upgrades whenever a navel battle occurs were the romans attacked me. Seluciads 6000 ships thrace 2000 ships err senate 17 ships victory for the senate and i lose half stack of both ships.
Happened about 5 times before i had the good sense to cancel alliance. and the worst one was bruti 10 shitty ships vs my armada defeat again and not a french flag in sight. ~:confused:

on occasion, my own cities that i control are blanketted by fog of war and i can't see the details with the little icons (green head, population increasing, buildings are being constructed, etc) whereas everything around the city can be seen. in order to see my city again, i have to take a unit out of the city (just one movement point) in order to see the city again.

also, once, for no apparent reason, all the trade ships travelling too and from Athens completely dissapeared, i think it was when i got the Athens arena to have monthly games instead of yearly games ???

Can't believe no-ones mentioned this yet:
BUT THAT CAMERA SWINGING AROUND AAAAAHHHH

Okay let me explain. I've got Shogun TW, and I remember it happening on that too, though not quite as often.
On Rome TW it happens about once in every 3 battles, and basically it is the most annoying thing that could ever happen. What happens, is at a completely random point (or at least I haven't worked out me doing something leads to it) the camera starts moving in a particular direction. And doesn't stop. There are two types of what happens. Either the camera moves at a medium speed, so if you press the cursor keys in the opposite direction the camera stays still (so it takes a long method of rotation and moving to get it where you want to go). Or the camera moves at a really fast speed, and if you press the opposite direction key it just moves slow, so if you want to control units during this you gotta be really fast as the camera moves past them. As you can imagine, this makes you want to scream as no matter what I do this doesn't work. So I usually end up exiting the battle (though there are occasions where I've managed to win the battle during these incidents - oh and it keeps doing it while paused and with menu up).
So what do I find when I quit to the campaign map? It happens on the campaign map too. Fun! If I load a previous save it keeps doing it. So I go back to the main menu, and load a new game. Keeps doing it.

You get the idea that whenever this happens, which is ALWAYS at least once during every play session, I have to quit the game and start it again, which takes quite some time, and is sooo annoying especially when you are winning a battle or haven't saved (you could exit the battle and then save but then you've just lost that battle).


There are some other bugs I get that other people haven't mentioned but I'll say them later when I can be bothered. The main one is the one above. AAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Neon_Ultra i remember this problem from shogun. I remember that i fixed it by disconecting my joystick.
I don't remember if they ever came out with a patch fix for this. And i'm not sure if this going to work in RTW. but give it a try.

The Gauls bribed one of my (Bruti) generals over.

In the absence of assassins or the means to build one I bribed him back (though the swines bribed the first diplomat I sent, too!).

He now shows up twice in the family tree: once where he originally was, and once as an adopted son of another general.

He married after I got him back, and his wife and children (two daughters) also show up twice. This could get very confusing once they get married if his line continues.

Pell.R.

^^^ Pellinor^^^^ What's wrong with mistresses, that is as long as the wife doe'snt find out about the other side of the family tree

I encountered a bug in my Scipii campaign. After playing that day for a few hours (without saving the game), I went to besiege a city. The game exited out to WinXP. So I started it up again. I chose the Autosave version of that campaign and made a few moves before attempting to besiege the city again. The same thing happened. So I started up the game, chose the Autosave version, made the few moves I wanted to do before I attempted to besiege the city. This time I saved the game. When I went to besiege the city, the game did not exit. I don't know if that indicates something about my computer's memory or the game's ability to keep track of moves at that point. :wall: :furious3:

Meh, my main beef is when for some reason you give an order to one group of units another completely different set of units follows the same orders.

I've found that in sieges especially I often have to order units around individually to avoid this problem, also if I do have say five units grouped together inside the settlement and I order them to say attack the plaza, they'll do an immediate U-turn and try to leave the settlement.

These 'grouping' bugs are the only real irritating and serious ones I've found.:)

Edit: Well aside from some AI issues which others here have raised.

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I've found that in sieges especially I often have to order units around individually to avoid this problem, also if I do have say five units grouped together inside the settlement and I order them to say attack the plaza, they'll do an immediate U-turn and try to leave the settlement.

These 'grouping' bugs are the only real irritating and serious ones I've found.:)

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I had similar frustrations until I realised that this was not a 'bug', nor was it poor AI tracking. I suddenly realised it was bad generalship on my part.

I was in the habit of grouping my units during deployment into my favorite formation 'Skirmishers Front, Form three lines'. My troops dutifully formed up in this formation.

However, when I got inside the city and things came to the crunch point I frequently selected the group and told them to rush the square, completely forgetting that I had told them to maintain 'Skirmishers Front, Form three lines.'

The result must have been like 'DuH! Whats the silly old codger trying to do now?' with Centurions rushing about trying to find space to reform into the prescribed formation. And the only area big enough is actually outside the city walls, so everyone starts rushing back out of the breach to form up as ordered.

If you remember to either cancel the grouping order and tell units to advance on the square independently, or if you tell the group to reform as a column rather than a line you will find they actually understand what it is you want them to do. The disadvantage of the latter option is that there is frequently a delay as the various cohorts more into the correct order of march before stepping off. Whereas, ordering all units to move independently sets them all off at once with the devil taking the hindmost.

Mate I only group units of a kind together, and what you mention about 'trying to find space for their formation' is still a bug when you consider that such a space may be on the other side of a city or map even. They should automatically 'find' space and if not then they can scrunch up like they do on bridges.

In fact the same applies to bridges, I've had a group of only TWO units run in the opposite direction back across a bridge after I ordered them to run elsewhere. They had plenty of room on the correct side of the bridge, they just decided that the grass was apparently greener on the other side:p

And theres still the matter of my ordering my Hastati to charge some guys only to notice that my onager teams are following the same orders for some strange reason;)

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Originally Posted by USMCNJ

Neon_Ultra i remember this problem from shogun. I remember that i fixed it by disconecting my joystick.
I don't remember if they ever came out with a patch fix for this. And i'm not sure if this going to work in RTW. but give it a try.

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If this fix solves the problem, I'll want to bear your children.

Btw, for me at least it appears that some other buttons appear to "stick". Sometimes it's been as if the shift button is held down. This is even worse since you can't get the escape menu up. So if it occurs as you're chasing down the fleeing enemy army.... you're screwed since you can't save the game afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Es Arkajae

Mate I only group units of a kind together, and what you mention about 'trying to find space for their formation' is still a bug when you consider that such a space may be on the other side of a city or map even. They should automatically 'find' space and if not then they can scrunch up like they do on bridges.

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The same problem arises even with groups consiting of units of a kind and ordered to form in a single line.

Such formations have a standard template which the AI will attempt to reproduce and its when it can't find the space to do that it moves them somewhere where it can.

If you cancel the group or change its formation to column you will find the problem does not arise.

Its a certainly not a bug it just needs a bit more care over command and control. Though I think it could have been explained better in the manual.

Personally, I cancel all groups now when assaulting cities as I have no need for formations under such circumstances. I tend to just use CTRL+A and tell everyone to head for the town square once the walls are taken and just concentrate on micro-managing to the leading units.

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Originally Posted by Didz

The same problem arises even with groups consiting of units of a kind and ordered to form in a single line.

Such formations have a standard template which the AI will attempt to reproduce and its when it can't find the space to do that it moves them somewhere where it can.

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Yes I got that and I've answered it by pointing out that the problem still occurs with plenty of bloody space to spare in bridge battles.

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If you cancel the group or change its formation to column you will find the problem does not arise.

Its a certainly not a bug it just needs a bit more care over command and control. Though I think it could have been explained better in the manual.

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It is very much a bug, not being able to use grouped units inside a city is a bug, having the problem crop up in bridge battles where there is plenty of space is also a bug, it is an unintended and detrimental consequence of game mechanics which I'm raising here (along with one other which I raised) in the hope that it may be fixed somehow improving the game even more.

I don't know if this is a bug, but i have noticed that on some cities, when you try to sally forth, instead of your men arranging themselves behind the walls directly in front of your enemy, they arrange themselves behind the wall in another part of the city, far far away. So then you have to spend a while getting all your men to the right places. It's very annoying.

I've found that repeating ballistae tend to wander off at the end of a battle (as if they are archers following after the retreating enemy). This is despite turning off autofire, telling them to stop, and having them on guard mode.

Cavalry will sometimes deploy in 'loose' formation when they are almost always deployed in 'tight'. I dont know if this is a bug or just something we have no info of.

in my Brutii campaign, at least two of my family members had the same unique retinue (Aristophanes) despite being on almost opposite sides of the map

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Cavalry will sometimes deploy in 'loose' formation when they are almost always deployed in 'tight'. I dont know if this is a bug or just something we have no info of.

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Units automatically change from tight to loose formation and vice versa during battle. If they come under missile fire they open ranks and if they get attacked they close up. Also artillery crews abandon their pieces to defend themselves and then have to be ordered to go back and start firing again.

Personally, I find it annoying but I think its supposed to happen that way.

The ballista problem I've noticed and can't explain.

Two bugs I noticed yesterday...

1. I had two groups of units in an assault (yes, I know). One of two archers, one of two hoplites. At several points, I could have the latter selected and tell them to move, only to have the archers go there instead and the hoplites remain in place! This was certainly not an issue of space since the tight phalanx formations should easily have been able to get there if the archers in their much wider formation could...

2. This happened both in the assault and in a later field battle, so I'll cite the example from the battle: I had two groups, one of three militia cavalry and one group of an arab cavalry and a bedouin archer unit. At some points I would have the latter group selected, and when dragging out their new position, the little spots on the ground would take the shape of my militia cavalry group; in other words, two units took the shape of three when "dragging" up a new position!

I've had similar problems but haven't been able to work out what triggers them.

In one battle I selected the group containing my cavalry reserve formation and ordered them to pursue the routing enemy only to see all my artillery crews abandon their weapons and start chasing the enemy.

I think there must be a gliche in the group referencing somewhere but no idea why it happens.

Just wondering, but has anyone figured out why archers sometimes jump off walls? Because whenever i start a sally, the back row of my archers kamikaze off the wall.

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Just wondering, but has anyone figured out why archers sometimes jump off walls? Because whenever i start a sally, the back row of my archers kamikaze off the wall.

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Maybe they're just commiting suicide.

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but a lot of the time a get a transgression message just after I give somebody else my map, when there are no armies of mine in their lands at all. Is this a bug, or something I haven't been paying attention to?

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Just wondering, but has anyone figured out why archers sometimes jump off walls? Because whenever i start a sally, the back row of my archers kamikaze off the wall.

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I've never actually seen this happen. However, there are two cities in North Africa which have gliches in the graphic's of their walls. The walls end in right angled corners but do not have a tower and attempting to march troops round that corner causes them to get crammed together as they can't cross the invisible join between the two wall graphic's. Attempt to force them across this invisible line and they begin to push each other over the edge to their deaths.

The other thing I have witnessed is when deploying troops, prior to pushing the start button, it is possible to cram too many units into the space available. As soon as you push the start button the AI performs some sort of deployment check and if units are crammed too close together it invokes the 'push and shove' routine to get them out of the way. As a result I have seen whole units let out a shout and fall over the instant I push the start button. Now, I imagine if that happened on top of a wall it could be fatal but I am always very careful not to jam my troops too close together on the parapet as there is no safety rail. ~:)

Was playing RTW last night when there was a power cut. When I rebooted the game failed to launch - just an error box saying "Unspecified exception". Gotta love those error messages :)

Thought maybe some game files had been corrupted during autosave, so uninstalled, scrubbed the install dir and registry entries and reinstalled - same error.

Eventually tracked it down to a corrupted audio driver. Reinstalled driver and game: everybody happy. Save game intact (120+ turns, phew!).

Not a bug per se - but beware that error messages during early game boot probably due to system/device initialisation. I guess it's too much to ask for informative error messages, but a .log file would have helped.

Ok, I unplugged my joystick and pedals to see if the camera stuck scrolling bug would be fixed. I didn't get the bug for a few days and was starting to assume it was fixed. When... you guessed it, during a battle the camera got stuck scrolling upwards.

I can tell this bug will forever haunt me and wont be fixed :embarassed:

I encountered a new bug last night. Well, new to me anyway.

The senate election came round again, as it tends to. One of my Julii generals had already been elected to the senate a few times, and had reached Pontifex Maximus. His stats were 4/0/10, following the +5 influence from being Pontifex Maximus. In the election, he was re-elected to the same position. The problem was that while he was shown correctly in the list of senate officers, he had returned to 5 influence because the re-election had removed "Pontifex Maximus" from his V&Vs list. It didn't say "ex-Pontifex Maximus" either.

Lots of my navy's ships are screwed up. The masts are sitting slightly off to one side from the hulls.

(this is on the campaign map of course)

Was Playing Carthaginians and attacked Egypt. Posted my army on one of their bridges. They attacked me and sent a few units across the bridge. I managed to rout those units thanks to archery fire and instead of turning around and retreating they just dropped dead ?!?!?!
Is this a bug or is because there is no space to turn on a bridge that small???

The senate, who I eliminated 50 years ago, popped up and locked-down my (now) plague-ridden Roman (Italien) cities.

Its not really a bug but it is a mistake.

NEW DIPLOMATIC BUG :(!!!!

You can attack a weak faction with navy and after it with diplomat ask for lots of money to cease fire. They will pay it for many consecutive turns!!

I have a fleet permanently stuck (as in can't move it) in the Black Sea in that rivermouth near Campus Scythii.

I have a fleet permanently stuck (as in can't move it) in the Black Sea in that rivermouth near Campus Scythii.

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I have a fleet permanently stuck (as in can't move it) in the Black Sea in that rivermouth near Campus Scythii

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It must be a landtile disguised as a piece of sea.

I have a fleet of 5 ships stuck in the mouth of a river in hispania

Some Egyptian city building blocks have "leaks", in which the AI can accidently run their chariots. The entire unit stuck in the building's garden (and probably in the rooms, too. As I can't see so many chariots patroling the garden.

Last night one entire enemy general (80-men chariots) got stuck in a building of Alexandria, and they couldn't find any way out throughout the siege. My wardog also couldn't find a way in to attack them, they tried to squeeze through a narrow (like 1-foot) opening but can't get through.

I occupied the town center for a good 3 minutes to declare their loss. ~;)

Hi there. To me the biggest bugs that to my mind need serious attention is the battle speed, stupid troop behaviour in groups and so on (many forms of that), campaign map AI stupidity for not consolidating its forces and not attacking forts (the game would be much harder, if it can be solved). The AI is real pain and I don't want to play the game anymore because of that. CA, please fix AI, I beg you :bow:

Damn it the game is too fast, I hate pausing my game all the time, otherwise I get crushed. In MTW there was no such problem. What a perfect game this would be if CA really corrected all the bugs in this thread! I'm optimistic. Can't wait for the patch. Meanwhile back to MTW, cause I can't stand this AI stupidity. The game is a masterpiece, a king of strategy, combining elements of MTW, Civilization 3 but those bugs are so painful. Please CA, fix those bugs! Oh how I'm eagerly looking for the patch! ROMA VICTA!

I think I found a bug with the phalanx formation within the seleucid empire when you're defending your town ( but I dont know if it is just with this faction)
I found that if you arrange your men to go into phalanx formation before beginning battle, put them behind the gate, and then open the gate for whatever reason, they cant move or their formation becomes messed up. They basically freeze in their spot, telling them to move just creates the moving icon which quickly disappears. They wont move unless you put them into normal formation, send them a few feet away, and then from there you can put them back in phalanx formation. At that point your men can be placed at a minimum of say 10 feet behind the gate which leaves alot of space for the enemy to move in around you and eventually surround you.

Is this a bug or just someone's attempt to create confusion in the ranks

I think the length of this thread is a testament to the shoddiness of Activision's production quality. These clowns really need to get their act together before releasing another TW product.

Anyway, I found a bug at the very beginning of the game when playing Scipii. The Senate hands down a mission to take Syracuse... But the second I lay siege to Syracuse they cancel the mission on me.

EDIT: That should be 'Creative Assembly', not 'Activision'.

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I think the length of this thread is a testament to the shoddiness of Activision's production quality. These clowns really need to get their act together before releasing another TW product.

Anyway, I found a bug at the very beginning of the game when playing Scipii. The Senate hands down a mission to take Syracuse... But the second I lay siege to Syracuse they cancel the mission on me.

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Being pissed at Creative Assembly for a canceled mission is a bit rediculous. Heres what most likely triggered that an alliance or an alliance the Romans had with someone that had an alliance to the Greeks causing the mission to be canceled and since the senate was not at war with them yet they canceled your mission. Or the easy explanation did you take more that 10 turns to take Syracuse. If so that is why it was cancelled

:help: i cant get first legions with the romans does somebody else had them
personnely cause the computer had them but i dont :help:

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:help: i cant get first legions with the romans does somebody else had them
personnely cause the computer had them but i dont :help:

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That's not a bug. First Legions are currently only given out by the senate as rewards for completing missions, and that only happens very rarely.