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Zanderpants - yep, I put that one in there as I thought references like that might not be too bad. A Mongol faction is a definite option at a later date ~:) .
anti_strunt - er, yes.. cough, maybe. Well spotted :bow:
Unseen Potato - mad isn't it, I just noticed that too! I just hope the mod lives up to peoples expectations, I'll try my best. Cheers for all the support from everyone.
I notice that a lot of the map is copied. The demon continent is central europe and the north of the eastern continent is is asia minor! (that's why cyprus is in there) You shrewd devil you. :devil:
It has to be copied because it is hard coded. unless hoggy has found a way to uncode it because i have tryed before it is insane
Map looks great...I think the path that you are taking with the mod is going to work well... ~:)
Keep up the good work!!!
OT: Was taking a lil' browse around and noticed that the Ultima mod has what at least appears to be a 'from scratch' map Emperor Eric.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...782#post653782
Given the work I guess the Blue Lotus map is finalised, still, the computers tendency to build insane fleets worries me, unless that's re-codable?
Cheers
favorite units and difficulty is able to recoded and ill check out that map you were talking about
Your above link didnt work Kallimachus
Yep, I basically started with the world map and moved provinces that didn't fit my new map. It is possible to start from scratch, DJ has done an excellent tutorial but at the time this way worked best and crashed least so I went with it. I've moved alot of borders to fit what I'm after province wise and the terrain is significantly different so when you play the game you don't notice the similarities.
edit: Starting on the Chinese armies now. Here are bamboo spear peasants:
http://www.awrate.com/chrishogg/images/peas.jpg
Can't wait to see these in action ~D
Still OT: Sorry, quite right you are Eric, academic now I suppose but here's the right thread
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=38835
What do you mean hard coded eric?
Have a look at these two threads:
In progress: Editing the campaign map
Making a new campaign map.
Chinese armies! Finally! I've been waiting to see these for ages. Bamboo peasants... lol. Good work.
Ahh yes that map was beautiful Kallimachus.
and yes i thought it was hard coded as i could find it but obviously i just suck lol
This is looking GREAT! Hoggy, you have so much talent!
Really great work hoggy, i would pay just to play your mod ~:)
The chinese bamboo spear unit looks very similiar to the Yunanese, Nanman and Vietnamese spearmen (the cone hats, and the cloak wich looks similiar to rattan armor) during the 3 kingdoms period, so how about calling them Nanman infantry (just for uniqueness), they were also good fighters in forested areas.
i would suggest a rice straw vest if they are to be peasants.
Eto... not sure how to say this but...
When I looked over the campagin map I realized a mistake I had made in one of the names.
Houkyo
alright, this will take some explaining. When Romanizing Japanese, there is a problem with "long" vowels, both the "o" in houkyo are long vowels. The Japanese deal with the problem by adding a "u" after the syllable to stress that it is "long", thus the u after ho. When Romanizing, one can either add a u, or add a hyphen above the o. Since we can't add hyphens, I decided on the u, but the kyo then, also needs to be kyou. Houkyou looks kind of wierd. If fact, if we used this system for Tokyo or Kyoto, we would have Toukyou and Kyoutou. Neither of which look right. Thus, I advise the much romanized version: "Hokyo".
Sorry about that
Excellent work on the may by the way!
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/index...howtopic=16149
This campaign map editing tool would speed up everything by a lot! This is really easy to use guys...
I think it's faster than manuel editing...
. Here are the light spear unit:
http://www.awrate.com/chrishogg/images/light.jpg
Thanks to DJ and Tosa Inu for making me a senior member, cheers guys!
And you deserve it! :medievalcheers: Let the beer flow freely! :barrel: May this mod prosper, cheers!
hehe looks like the guy in the pic in bottom left is stabbing his friend.
anyway hoggy as I said before this mod looks brilliant.
and General_sun the link you posted dosent work.
I know i told u this already Hoggy...but shouldn't a ninja unit be added? I know many peeps will love it...just a suggestion. Any way I can help, just ask.
-Shi
:xmas:
Oh and try not to strain urself to much over the Holidays ;)
I might add ninja at a later date, not sure. They just don't seem to suit the battlefield to me. Anyway here's the last unit before Christmas, Heavy chinese spearmen:
http://www.awrate.com/chrishogg/images/hchin.jpg
Beautiful beautiful Hoggy. Since you are coming close to being done with the original factions can we expect a possible beta release?
Is it just me or do other people think that Hoggy's models and textures are improving in quality as time goes on? I mean, the newer units seem to have a greater level of detail in their textures and models than the older ones.
Maybe it's just me. Capital job hoggy!
And I say no to the ninja idea too, not right for a battlefield.
And please don't forget my one request for this mod: change the samurai mounted archer's armor and helmet to the same kind used by the heavy cavalry . This is much more historically accurate, also don't forget to give them a nice long curving katana.
Again, capital job!
PM me or post if you need any help naming units or anything else for that matter. I am decently well versed in the Chinese/Japanese languages and military history.
I don't know about improving in quality, but the one thing i can say for certain is that the older ones are fantastic and the newer ones are fantastic.
I also think that there shouldn't be battlefield ninjas, if you can make a strategic ninja (though i doubt it) that would be wonderful, but for battlefield use, they don't fit.
Like i've said earlier, the models are great but i'm worried about the animations. The spearman shouldn't be too bad because you can use regular R:tW stuff (not the greatest anim., but not too bad), however the troops with Katanas and exotic weapons need a whole new set.
Also if you really want this mod to be detailed, you can change the general's speechs and add a few quotes. And as i said earlier i think it would be cool to add a Buddhist side (disregard the irony).
long curved katana? During the sengoku jidai, heavily curved swords weren't used by cavalry.... Or is this during the 1300s-1400s? It is fantasy though, so I guess it's irrelevant. lol. Also, I do agree, Hoggy's models were already superb, but they just keep getting better and better! ~:cheers: ~:cheers: ~:cheers: Three cheers for Hoggy! :bow:
May I make a suggestion? As the strat map will be divided into a fantasy China, Japan and demon kingdom, wouldn't it be cool when fighting on the terrain of the demon kingdom if you could get into the battlefield map generator and change the mapping of the skies to a more dramatic or spooky or frightening appearance with great towering storm clouds or heavy dark thunderheads?
I must say,..this mod looks very very good...I can't wait til its released. I love your models Hoggy, keep it up...
Small suggestion: Perhaps you can make the Japanese swordsaints wield dual swords? Just to show they are not regular swordsmen ~D
NICE!
The heavy spearmen look great, and they don't have obscenely large crests.
this mod looks incredible ~:eek: ~:eek: :dizzy2:
2 questions,
1. will there be a demo, and when?
2.how many units do u have so far?
sicilian fencer
:duel: engarde
Hoggy the spearmen look awesome but I have to say I never noticed how good the Samurai in that pic look. There armor looks real in a sense. and as for the improving over time I dont know I think they are all awesome
cheers for the responses guys,
Emporer Eric - a release won't be for quite a while yet (months), there's still alot to do besides the units and map to get the campaign working.
Dragoon - Animation is something I want to change but it will depend on time. Ideally I would change everything but it's just not possible. I might try and talk to the Sengonku mod people about some kind of work swap to use their anims maybe. still not decided.
Ferocious I - good idea, I'm going to look into the skies but I think they're linked to climate.
binsquared - twin swords again is a big animation problem. Demonarchangel suggested twin swords for the chinese guard unit and I'm going to test that to see how it looks.
Sicilian - If you check page one I try to update the army lists as I get stuff done.
many thanks guys I'm off doing family stuff for a week or two. Have a top Christmas and New Year.
hoggy merry christmas and happy New Year. I have question in the Blue Lotus mod do the AI get better, or same as it is from the rome total war? I hope you improve the AI, beacuse AI from the original rome total war is really bad. how old are you and what kind the job you have beacuse you are really good?
thank you for making this mod. ~:) ~:) ~:) ~:) ~:) ~:)
Merry CHRISTmas
Good job!!
This mod is fantastic! :jawdrop:
Only a question... :inquisitive:
Camels in China or Japan?
And one idea... :idea2:
Do you can make elephants, camels and evil horses more... dead or zombies? Maybe without flesh in some parts, with bones at sight.
Anyway, i wait for this mod with impatience!! :jumping:
Thanks for your work! :bow:
The camels are part of the demon force, so it's alright if they aren't native to Japan or China. And although they weren't native to China, historically the Chinese loved to import exotic animals to stock the Emperor's gardens, there are texts that suggest that they even had Zebras and Giraffes.
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Camels in China or Japan?
China has bactrian camels i believe. They fit in the game pretty well.
Back again. Hope you all had a good Christmas. As Dragoon says, the camels are part of the Demon force although I intend there to be a unit of camel cavalry for the Chinese armies too (they are also going to have a unit of leopard handlers).
Here are two more ‘Chinese’ units from the list, the imperial guard (like the heavy spears but with two swords and plumes) and the Tibetan Infantry with their peacock crests:
http://www.awrate.com/chrishogg/images/chinguard.jpg
that shit is crazy!!!!!!!
Oh yeah, a Mongol faction for the future would be some crazier shit!!! :charge: :charge: ~:cheers:
Ok, I've been thinking over Christmas and the next full faction after the chinese is to be the Indian faction. Here is their army list. Currently titled the Rajpur I could do with some good faction title ideas and unit ideas if you can think of any good ones.
Indian Kingdom:
Infantry
Peasant Infantry (loin cloth, buckler and scimitar)
Rajpur Infantry (ornate turban scimitar and shield)
Rajpur Spears (ornate turban spear and shield)
Gurkha Infantry (powerful close combat troops)
Babur Infantry (ornate gold helmet early cone style)
Babur archers (ornate gold helmet early cone style)
Holy Warriors (dreadlocked with loincloth and club)
Cavalry
Horse Archers/Scouts
Rajpur Lancers (ornate turban spear and shield)
Arjuna Chariots (ornate gold helmet early cone style after hero Arjuna)
Elephant Archers
Elephant Spears
Royal Elephants (ornate white elephant with minaret palanquin)
Special Units
Tigers
This is likely to be the last style of full faction besides the Monks. Mongols, Koreans and a whole number of other strange units will appear as rebels/mercenaries/assorted small scale factions (ie. factions with fewer unit types).
You mean kinda like Dacia or Gaul where they only have like 9 diff units? So you will have the Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Demon, Monk and then a few more with only a few units? That makes sense but Dont you think the Koreans should also be a full army since they are Imperial like? anyway just a thought great spearmen btw
Yes, So a mongol faction would have perhaps just 4 infantry and three cavalry types and work work as a localised mini faction. Silver Rusher put forward an army list for a full Korean faction but I've been unable to find any good visual reference for them. If anyone knows of any good sites/ imagery for koreans (and mongols) please let me know.
Well your concept art is amazing so could you not simply draw it off a description? Well I suppose that is alot of work but a full korean faction would be awesome.
Hmm, excellent idea w/ the Indians, but a few suggestions.
Firstly, i thought it was Rajput not Rajpur but i could be wrong.
Secondly you've included Rajputs and Baburs, who quite frankly hated each other, in the same army. Although the Baburs did incorporate Rajputs into thier armies, the Rajputs always had pure Rajput detachments and these detachment were few and small. Also the Rajputs were mainly calvary, using other peoples as grunt troops, while they turned the tide with calvary shock.
Thirdly i'm a bit concerned with Gurkhas. They didn't exist until the 1500s and they were in Nepal, and i don't think the Baburs had much contact with them. I would suggest replacing them with Kushans, though few after thier time, they were still around and used as elite infantry by the Rajput, Sultans, and Baburs.
Fourthly, could you elaborate on Elephant spears? I don't think you can really use a spear if you're on the top of an elephant but i could be wrong.
Finally, i'm not sure about the Holy warriors, Indians didn't really use fanatics in thier armies, i can understand this being a reference to the Vedic legends and thier great heroes, but it seems a bit out of place.
Sorry for the great, and once again, great job so far. And I'd love to see Tigers and/or Tiger riders.
Gah! Sorry. Last line should read:
"Sorry for the rant, and once again great job so far."
...bloody lack of edit feature...
Righto, have to agree with DragoonXXIV on the idea of making the Indians more cavalry based with massed but weak infantry (discounting the elite units but if these were made skirmishers also they would be suplementary to the masses rather then holding the line by themselves). Also, would it be possible to include Indian tribal skirmisher javelin units (I'm thinking akin to Cilician pirates).
Additionally, though I doubt the historicity of it, ancient Indian hunting dogs were said to be able to tear apart a lion (well, alledgedly three of them could) and never run from battle, so you could considor these as a kind of 'Tigers lite' unit if you dont mind filling the army list up with animals (though it leaves more scope for some of the more nature based generals retinue characters such as master hunter etc.)
And once again, incredible work, the scope of this mod increases every time I read this thread ~:cool:
Cheers
I was just thinking since this is a fantasy mod WHY BE HISTORICAL???
use your imagination and im sure that it dosent matter too much that rapjuts and baburs are in the same army.
One of my activities for this Winter Break (since it is no longer politically correct to call it Christmas Break), has been to finish the Heike Monogatari (The Tale of Heike). It is the definitive chronicle of the Genpei War and to many events before and after it.
Anyway, through my reading I have a few things to say about the Monk and Demon factions.
For the monks, there should be warriors who look just like regular samurai! The book makes constant reference to "helmeted and armored monks". The fully armored monks are knowns as "worker monks" those who are older and less martial are the "scholar monks". Perhaps there should be a druid style units for the un-armored, un-armred scholar monks? Also, palaquins! (spelling?) Yes, the sacred portable shrines of the Enryakuji monks. Instead of having a general's bodyguard unit, have a palaquin with a few ceremoniously dressed monks.
For the Demons, there should be a unit that is just one big giant floating head! Yes, there have been reference in the book to such creatures haunting cursed samurai.
One BIG unit recommendation for the Mongols: timberwolves! The Mongols had great respect for wolves (few in their land). And with wardogs, it'd be a relatively easy job.
I completely agree with Turin about the monks. They should be samurai, give or take a few units. As for a giant floating head for the demons... well i can think of dozens of Japanese monsters that weren't used in this mod, face it there are just to many. Pardon the pun ~:) . However i just want to point out that wolves are nothing like dogs, they're bigger, and have a completely different build, extremely different than European breds. Don't think you can just retexture wardogs and get wolves, you'd need a completely different model. That being said... Wolves would be awesome.
They weren't "timberwolves" specifically but...Quote:
Originally Posted by Turin
The gray wolf is the patriotic animal for most Altai people, such as Turks and Mongols. But we never used them in battle, it's just our mythology. I don't recall the Americans ever sending bald eagles to pester the British redcoats.
If anyone has a specific question about Mongols or other Turkic people please ask.
Aha, slight mix up with the terminology I think. I must admit I used Rajpur as a placeholder for the name of the Indian faction rather than meaning Rajput. Where I have put Rajpur spears etc I just mean turbanned, later style Indian units. Babur equally is just refering to the earlier style. I'm mixing units from completely different periods as I did with the chinese and japanese factions .
Emperor Eric - I'm not really even sure of the style of Korean units, did they look like chinese units? Does anyone have any descriptions of what they wore or links to sites?
Dragoon - as mentioned above I don't think my descriptions were very good. I'm doing concepts for them soon so hopefully it'll be clearer. Historical animosities will be left aside for the fight against the demon horde ~:) .
Turin - top ideas, I'm going to need some help when I do the monk faction. The monks are going to be made of at least two or three factions made up of a mixture of monks from different periods and different factions. Each faction will only have a handful of monk unit types but they will have numbers and some heroes or elite units.
Zafer - Definitely interested in help on the mongol faction, wolves are definitely in as are shamans, cavalry archers, light cavalry and heavy cavalry. Any more ideas for Mongol units? Would it look too wrong to have shamans fighting as a unit in a fantasy environment?
cheers for all the input folks
Hey All, first off I'd like to say hi and how are ya'll :)
Now on to buisness as it were, Hoggy IMHO if you'd like to find a group of "warrior monks" that could be truely unique maybe you should aim for the Chinese monks instead of Japanese? Or with the Japanese monks (obviously not on the same faction list) because the Chinese monks and their Kung Fu added a slew of new weapons and fighting styles that would be possible within the RTW engine :)
Here is a link to a site with LOTS of ancient chinese weapons:
http://www.chinese-weapon.com.tw/english.htm
http://store.martialartsmart.net/chi...s-weapons.html
My favorites are the Rope Dart and Chain Whip :) all of which are quite possible inside RTW's engine.
Oh BTW those ShiShi Riders look perfect for a chinese Lion
http://www.jowgakungfu.com/cgi-bin/m...lts/ml=16.html
That site has a lot of info on a specific style of Kung Fu (one that I take) but the pictures on that site are a good idea of what "chinese lions" should look like :) and yours are nearly perfect.
Another unit for the demons: Harlequins! I know it is quite a western word, but it can be applied to anything. The literal translation is "devil's horsemen" or something like that. They could be all dark and fiery and their horses could be completely black except maybe with red streaks? Anyway, good luck on the mod, the indians look pretty good. Looking forward to seeing some elephant stompin' action! But one thing though, I noticed from the map of the campaign you made that each kingdom will now be subdivided into different "clans". Why? I much preffered the previous idea of just having one kingdom per cultural group. I think a demon kingdom, a chinese kingdom, a japanese kingdom, an indian kingdom, a mongol kingdom (minor), a korean kingdom (minor) and of course the monks would be a much better idea. I understand you would want more factions, but IMO that is enough for anybody.
here are the elite imperial guards:
http://www.awrate.com/chrishogg/images/chinel.jpg
Wow! I've just got to say this mod is everything and more what I wanted a mod to be in R:TW, thanks so much.
Tight!
Amazing. This mod looks to be the bee's knees.
And for hoggy to be doing all ths without all the pomp and fanfare associated with some of the other mods is even more impressive.
Nice work!
Hoggy, your talents are awe inspiring. Consider me in on downloading this mod when it's done.
I don't want to be a turd, but I noticed in the later threads that Korea wasn't included on the campaign map. Can you still include it as a faction?
On a historical note, Korea had quite a swashbuckling history. Some other units could be:
Hawrang-Do (Flowering Youth:- These were sons of nobles dedicated to martial learning and academia. They were expected to excell with the compound bow, sword, horsemanship and science.
Horse archers:- Korea had an accomodating relationship with the Mongols during their reign, and as a result, inherited the exrtemely powerful compound bow. I studied Korean Traditional archer for several years in Seoul, and these weapons are quite powerful.
Hero Units:- Both hero archers and lone swordsmen. During the Hideyoshi invasions of Korean archers held off against Japanese arquebusquers.
Korea's esoterical and mythical stories are sources for good units also.
Guardians:- The heavily muscled, fanged and shaven headed warriors that guard the entrances to Korean Buddhist temples.
Gishin:- Korean ghosts, that glide across the earth in flowing white robes.
Also, just a thought, and I can't remember if a thread already exists, but have you considered including minor dieties in the game? The four winds, or cardinal directions for Korea and China, for example, are depicted as fearsome, fanged warriors armed with bow and heavy-bladed pike. Perhaps they could be uber-units, recruitable only if a faction has their largest temple?
Anyhoo, Blue Lotus is pretty much my mod of choice, and I can't wait for its release. I really hope there's a Korean faction. I wish I was more computer savy, I'd do some artwork and post the picks.
-Doglover
super-awesome looking mod hoggy! i don't really know much about the cultures you're sort-of representing, but i can toss out some random ideas..
the mongols/koreans/etc.. you may be right in making them unplayable factions. i think your mod would benefit from having some "3rd" parties, so to speak. that said, here are a couple of sites with mongol-ish pics (for unit design).
http://www.buryatmongol.com/shamanism.html
this is a general info site about mongolian shamanism, i think the mongols had several sacred animals.. maybe you can have different kinds of shaman in their armies (falcon-shaman, horse-shaman, wolf.. etc).
http://www.newmastersgallery.com/ArtistsT/tseng.htm
this is a gallery of an artists paintings. probably not uber-historical, but very colorful.. look like they'd be fun for you to model :) notice the warrior with falcon.. maybe you can expound upon that idea and just kinda invent some units ~;)
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/Photo_shows...Mongolian.html
that's a chinese actor playing a mongol barbarian on the great wall.. probably even less accurate than the painting :sweatdrop:
http://www.le.ac.uk/geology/wdc2/culture.htm
some modern "culture" photos.
http://www.atarn.org/mongolian/mongolia.htm
a crap-load about mongolian archery. see this: http://www.atarn.org/mongolian/mngtchnq.htm
this whole asian archery research network is pretty cool (http://www.atarn.org/frameindex.htm)
just a couple of googling images..
14th c. warrior
modern wrestlers (wrestling is very big in mongol culture, i believe)
as for music, why not use some tuvan/mongol throat-singing? it'd be very distinctive.. but maybe not the best battle music. oh, you should check some throat-singing cd covers for visuals too (like huun-huur-tu, chirgilchin and the like). what about the mongol invasion expansion for STW? i never played that game, but wouldn't there be some good starting points in there?
oh, and take the elephants from the demons and give them to the indians, imo. obviously the indians should/will have elephants, but i don't like seeing those noble animals serving in the demon army :embarassed: besides, with he dragons, do they really need more mounts?
lol hope some of that helps or something, anyway good luck with the mod, it looks sweet :bow:
Similar to what doglover said concerning deities, for the Indian faction including some of the more fearsome gods(Durga and Kali come to mind) as high level very powerful very expensive units would give the Indian faction and the game more flavor.
http://www.sanatansociety.org/hindu_...sses/durga.htm
Durga
http://www.sanatansociety.org/hindu_...esses/kali.htm
Kali
http://www.sanatansociety.org/indian...mayana_ram.htm
Ram or Rama
http://www.sanatansociety.org/indian...of_hanuman.htm
Hanuman
oh also.. i think you should remake the map to be a stylized map of asia instead of the completely fictional one. imo, your map, by divorcing the factions from their lands, really hurts the atmosphere of the game.
by "stylized" i mean making your own using ancient asian art styles as a guide..
http://pasture.ecn.purdue.edu/~agenh...s/art/pic2.gif
etc..
you could have the demons emerging from an erupting volcano island in the south-east.. or from siberia.. the monks could be in tibet/nepal.. lol
Galen - excellent reference for weapons there. I'm going to have each monk faction have it's own style of monks ie chinese monk faction or japanese monk faction.
Silver Rusher - I've split the chinese and japanese into two clans each to add depth to the gameplay and to allow for improved multiplayer options. crossing fingers it works.
Doglover - Some excellent unit ideas for the koreans there, I just need to find some visual reference.
Big John - top mongol reference. Not sure about the map yet IthinkI'going to playtestthis one first. I think there is a case that it might make naval power too important so it may need some work.
"Doglover - Some excellent unit ideas for the koreans there, I just need to find some visual reference.
Hey Hoggy, if someone can "school" me on scanning and uploading pics I can do some sketches of Korean infantry/archers/horsemen/heros as well as the coolest looking of their Buddhist deities."
I'll do all I can to get the Koreans in there as a playable faction ~D
I have a small idea.
For the Chinese have a Terra Cotta Army guy.
I'm pretty sure that this may have been suggested, but in the pages I've seen there hasn't been any.
Doglover - It's ok, been looking tonight and I've found a few things so the Korean mini faction is looking possible
Marshal Murat - I think the terracotta army units are pretty much like the imperial spears in BL (but terracotta statues have no helmets)
actual terracotta warriors (enchanted kinda like golems i guess) would be pretty cool.. they'd be very elite units i guess.
a couple of korean army pics (mostly three-kingdoms era, i think.. maybe later)
http://www.korea.army.mil/pao/hwaran...3%28JPG%29.jpg
http://www.kimsoft.com/2004/ (be sure to navigate all 5 pages)
http://www.lifeinkorea.com/cgi-bin/pictures.cfm (ehh not great, but maybe some ideas? like here and here)
http://img71.exs.cx/img71/6007/hang1.jpg
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/9967/chiwoomu0910-2.gif
http://img154.exs.cx/img154/5500/ans...ortress-1a.jpg
found them all here: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=141
(see the 2-4 pages especially!)
[QUOTE=hoggy]Doglover - It's ok, been looking tonight and I've found a few things so the Korean mini faction is looking possible
Sorry Hoggy, what is a "mini-faction"? Is it playable, or perhaps just a smaller faction than the japanese or chinese? Kinda like the thracian faction for rtw? I'm still open to help with concepts, just let me know if you need anything. ~:cheers:
fantastic reference Big John, a lot better than I'd got.
Doglover - I'm going to do the Mongols and Koreans as mini factions like the thracians so not as many unit types but they will be playable. At a later date we can add more units to the factions to round them off but to start with we can just have the most important units. It's a matter of modelling time really.
(edit) Here are the concepts for the Indian Infantry and updated armylist:
Infantry
Peasant Infantry
Krishnapur Swordsmen
Krishnapur Guard
Golden warriors
Golden archers
Fanatic Tribesmen
Gurkha Infantry
Cavalry
Horse Archers/Scouts
Krishnapur Lancers (ornate turban spear and shield)
Arjuna Chariots (ornate gold helmet early cone style after hero Arjuna)
Elephant Archers
War Elephants
Royal Elephants (ornate white elephant with minaret palanquin)
Special Units
Tigers
http://www.awrate.com/chrishogg/images/India_Inf.jpg
here are the chinese archers. I modified these slightly from the original concepts (demon archangel input) to make them look less manchurian:
http://www.awrate.com/chrishogg/images/chinarcher.jpg
Gorgeous models, Hoggy, they look like an original build. Thanks for the info on the mini factions, I look forward to playing them agains the ods :duel:
I just thought of something and cant remember if its been asked yet: Will there be family portraits and character traits?
doglover - yup, all BL models are original builds rather than just reskins. Portraits and traits will be modded too.
Here are the 'Cho ku no' or repeating crossbow unit. It's a change again from the original concept to make them wear lamellar. Still to do proper crossbow animation at a later date.
http://www.awrate.com/chrishogg/images/chincross.jpg
I hope you do get a good animation on those crossbows, hoggy. But judging by your previous work I'm certain you will anyway.
Hoggy: For the indians, be sure to use a chariot unit, and give the tribal fanatic an indian 2 handed mace instead of that club.
THAT LOOKS ABSOLUTLY FANTASTIC! Especially the chinese they look great!
how far are you in the project? are you finished? if so reply telling me where i can download it because it looks great! :duel: :charge: :bow:
from the all-empires forums again:
http://www.allempires.com/forum/foru...?TID=1606&PN=1
see bottom of page for chosun dynasty armor/dress.. there's a lot of pictorial examples of korean and chinese armies on that forum.. less about japanese, some about southeast asian, didn't see much indian or mongol info :no:
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/...=ZVE&code=8003
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/...=ITA&code=6020
13th c mongol army toy soldiers, not colored but you could use them for model guides.
here's a couple of painted mongol toy soldiers:
http://www.hz-forum.de/galerie/ga_herrick.htm
http://users.adelphia.net/~ftduq/Eastern.html
here's a couple of painted mongol toy soldiers
a little more mongol stuff:
http://www.csen.org/Mongol.Nadaam/Mongol.text.html
i really think there should be a mongol wrestler unit, not sure how you'd implement it though.. it could be like the berserkers, high damage, low defense, small unit, good for smashing into the back of engaged units.. i dunno :dizzy2: probably sounds better than it would actually be.. just sounds funny and cool to me..
also, i know osprey makes several books on the mongols (http://www.ospreypublishing.com/sear...491328a9ce378e)
if you're so inclined, you could buy a couple..
also, if you make a somewhat realistic map, i'd suggest moving india (and tibet/nepal) over to the east so they are more south than southwest of china, shrinking southeast asia and bringing japan down a bit.. it'd be better play, imo.
http://acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu/~p...es/mongmap.jpg
awesome models and concepts as always :bow:
Maybe Buddist for the Japanese, or perhaps you could substitute Sohei, orQuote:
Galen - excellent reference for weapons there. I'm going to have each monk faction have it's own style of monks ie chinese monk faction or japanese monk faction.
Yamabushi priests if no appropriate monks can be decided upon.
And how about some Ninja, either as a special unit, or perhaps they could
be substituted for the spy and assassin units. They serve pretty much the
same purpose!...........Just a thought! ~:)
WOW...I was hoping you'd add India to your list of factions, Hoggy...and you've outdone yourself again. I love your drawings...you're a superb artist..the tribal fanatics in particular are great. I can't wait to see them in 3D..
BTW...what courses have you taken for your 3d work? any Gnomon DVDs or courses?
There have been a few points raised about the current campaign map that it would focus the game too heavily on naval power and also that it is perhaps too fantastical. The armies are at least based loosly on historical factions and the map isn't. Here is an idea for an alternative campaign map. It is very rough obviously but shows the basic idea of a distorted asia map with japan attached to the continent and all factions (except the monks) reachable by land. Any thoughts, preferences? It essentially should be a choice of which will play better and give the best feel for the Blue Lotus mod (hmm, I may even do a poll...) Note: current map is on page 8 of this thread.
http://www.awrate.com/chrishogg/images/BLmap.jpg
you know i prefer the new map ~:) ~:)
demons in siberia is a good move, imo. i don't really like the japan solution, but it's probably necessary.. what else could you do? give them an early edge in naval? that'd be hard to balance for sure.. but what are you going to do about the monk island? how ever you deal with their navy/position you could do equally with the japanese.
i think the monks would be better in tibet/nepal ~:)
poor mongols will have a devil of a time with the demon faction ~:mecry:
(pun intended!)
now you must show us more concept art! i like it as much as the models ~:cheers: