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Rome´s diplomacy at its best :dizzy2:
Playing a H/M campaign with the Julii, I constantly came up with that answer, even when all I offererd was a ceasefire :inquisitive:

Well this Julii campaign is pretty much fun, though the Senate is slow with outlawing me - again. I´ve got forty-some provinces, wiped out Gaul, Britannia, Spain and Carthage (after I made them my protectorate first, but then I had to go to war with Egypt, who at that time was Carthage´s ally. Oh well, they had only two provinces left anyways), Germania is still my protectorate (their only surviving ally, Scythia, was being wiped out by the Bruti). I wonder what could make the Senate first love and then fear me more. The Scipii, though having a much smaller empire region-wise (they went east, taking southern Greece and Asia Minor), have risen to highest appreciation and then took the deep plunge with the Senate (but they never got anywhere with the plebs and were therefore unable to start the Civil War themselves - if the AI can do that in the first place), so I think it may also have something to do with army strength as well, as their army, according to the overview graphs, is about twice as strong as mine. Then again, I went fairly slow about my expansion and let a few Senate missions fail, when I didn´t want to go to war with too many factions at once.

Well, the Plebs just love me, and I could start the Civil War myself, but once, just once, I´d like to have the Senate ask my leader to commit suicide. That´s never happened to me and there´s not much fun in a Civil War when I have already fulfilled my fifty-province quote and just have to grab Rome. It´s supposed to be more trouble.

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Originally Posted by Garvanko

Update:

Have taken Nicomedia, Tylis and Campus Getae. I'll use Porrolissum (Thracian's last province) as a buffer between me and the Romans while I carry on the war in the East.

Pyrrhus making a name for himself in Asia Minor
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Fog of War revealed some interesting developments, including the Seluecids eating the Ptolemics alive, for once!

Alexander the Great?
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That could not be him as he was from macedon. But if it was ALexandria are in trouble. :skull:

Alexandria was taken. Egypt is almost crushed - Im waiting for the Faction Destroyed pop-up any turn now!

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Originally Posted by Bombasticus Maximus

Whats The Greek Citites like for a campaign as I've played as them a few times but not really fell for them. Whats the income like, how hard are the Romans to beat on say medium/hard?

And where did the guy who made this post go?

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Greek Cities is a lot of fun, but you should play a mod, as there is greater depth to them - more units, etc. And also depends whether you like playing around with the phalanx and hammer/anvil tactics.

Romans are not hard to beat. Just hold the line and hit them from behind with your Cav. Obviously, kill the Brutii off early or they will be a pain for the rest of the game.

I usually go up italy. Whats the highest income you ever got from a turn? As I am starting to make money everytime I play the starts a little touch and go but I get there...

Highest I ever made was in my recent Julii campaign - approximately 150,000 denarii per turn profit. You honestly don't need more than that when you hold half the known world.

Best way to get rich?

1. Coastal cities - Build Ports - Markets - Roads - Farms (in that order)
2. Landlocked cities - Build Roads - Farms - Markets (ditto)

And of course the relevant temples as soon as they become available/necessary..

I just keep building them like that, and I end up have profit every turn. I also let the AI handle my taxation and automatically sets the highest taxes possible in every settlement.

Early game - Try to make as much as 4k profit
Middlegame - Try for something between 8k and 20k
Lategame - If all goes well (and by then it usually is), then I usually break the 50k barrier

And trade rights and alliances? do I tare with the eastern units as they get the most money?

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Originally Posted by Bombasticus Maximus

That could not be him as he was from macedon. But if it was ALexandria are in trouble. :skull:

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Better explanation: could not be him because he was DEAD.

The Selucid Empire didn't exist 'til he was dead.

Thats what I meant. As the seleucid in RTW he starts in Sardis. I took the fiight to the romans in Messana as I knew they was going to attack me sooner or later. They had a small army of two hastati which attacked me.
https://img359.imageshack.us/img359/...e0054bo.th.png

Alexander was born in 356BC. It's almost impossible for him to be alive in that game. Also, Phyrrus must have been getting on a bit by the game start.

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Originally Posted by Bombasticus Maximus

And trade rights and alliances? do I tare with the eastern units as they get the most money?

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Goes without saying. Every single turn, always try and find a way to build up your economy. :book:

On Alexander.. Its only because I saw the name that I started to wonder - maybe he was reborn, Total War style.:inquisitive: Seems to have helped the Seleucids, though.. For once, they're thriving!

It's good to see the seleucids finally getting payback on the Egytpians. I have allied with carthage and gace them messana. as I plan on going east after I take italy anyways.

Alexand of the Selucids is NOT the great, I repeat. Alexander III died, otherwise the Diadochi wars wouldn't have happened and the Selucid Empire wouldn't be formed. The only possibility is some other person called Alexander. Alexander III's son Alexander IV was also dead by the game's start. Anyway, RTW vanilla is not historically accurate, CA just tried to make a fun game.

Garvanko: why go for so much profit? Making the armies larger keeps your lands safer, and keeping your money down is always good: keeps the family members less corrupt and useless.

I agree Tiberius. I was only mentioning how much I make. Usually, I try and spend as much of it as I can every turn (90%) by queuing up units and buildings.

My campaign has hit a mjor phase - Open confrontation with the Romans and Seleucids. And the Selucids are now training Elephants and Cataphracts. I'll post shots later.

Queuing is a waste of money, though, and kind of an exploit. You should just hire lots of units and make a lot of armies. When even that isn't enough, bribe a few enemy generals.

Its the only way to keep under 50k and reduce corruption when your loaded with cash.

My war with the romans.
I have control or Capua so Carthage and Numidia are safe, I have a army of light lancers x5 One general and the rest armoured hoplites martching down onto Julii lands to take them down. I also have around 5 units of armoured hoplites and 3 units of archers taking one of the brutii settlements. So all is going well. When italy is mine I will work on macedon, dacia and thrace then swing around into asia minor.

Campaign going well so far. making slow inroads into Asia Minor in the West, the baltics up north, and down south...

..early days, taking on the Romans in Italy.
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Asia Minor shots.

Pyrrhus having fun in Asia Minor.. The young General Assandros merely there to learn from a Legend.
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Seleucid sends its big guns.. this looks like it will be a test of courage..!
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Alas, what was the enemy thinking..? killed off by Militia Cav!!
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Lots of fun in this campaign. The Area of Recruitment gives access to so many new units in the different regions, my armies are now highly flexible.

Is there anyway for me to get macedon cav without getting a mod.

Apart from playing with Macedonia? Only if there´s a mercenary variant, bribing a Macedonian army won´t do you no good, unlike MTW you don´t take over bribed units, they disband immediately.

Well i'll have to look for a tutorial that allows me to change the units. Is there one on this site?

Nice set of pictures Garvanko. Some big stacks fighting it out.

I am early in my first VH/VH campaign. I dont have problems making money and these Egyptians are making a fortune already. Yet ive just got a taste of what this highest difficulty is going to do on the campaign map.

Pontus declares war with a reasonable force seiging Tarsus. Seleucid also starts a seige of Antioch. Also a big stack of rebels pops up in the middle. Theres a stack of Perthians on the loose down the bottom right and another Seleucid stack heading for Palmyra.

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Time to go shopping.....
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I had to start again as the mal followed every AI army. I started as Dacia someone I have never been before. I went top war with the thrace and took Campus Getae which made them pretty mad. Screenshots soon.

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Originally Posted by Severous

Pontus declares war with a reasonable force seiging Tarsus. Seleucid also starts a seige of Antioch. Also a big stack of rebels pops up in the middle. Theres a stack of Perthians on the loose down the bottom right and another Seleucid stack heading for Palmyra.

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Amazing how the AI always gangs up on you in these situations. I bet Pontus and the Seleucids have a rock solid Alliance going..

My Greek campaign is hitting a wall with the Seleucids. They keep sending Elephants and Silver Shields.

I lost this army to one such attack - notice the General was re-armoured into a semi-cataphract!
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Pyrrhus is dead! Gone to meet the Gods at the ripe old age of 78. His son succeeded him as Faction Leader, and followed his father's footsteps in defending Asia Minor from the threat in the East!

Hell, RTW cd won't load. It keeps going back to the desktop before it gets to the intro.

Might lose my campaign! Arrggh!

Edit: Its not the Mod causing it.

Good luck Garvanko. Your save should be ok though shouldnt it ? Even if you reinstall ? Im no expert on these things but hope you will be ok.

Outnumbered I dont expect to win this sally forth from the seige of Palmyra

https://img435.imageshack.us/img435/...lly45jw.th.jpg

But I will kill a few peasants before letting the battle timer run down and end in a draw. Infact it turned out that it was my slingers who did most damage. Big stones fired into the backs of hoplites cut down the size of this army.

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I expected the beseiging army to assault Palmyra on its turn. And sure enough the old battle music started. But surprise. It was the beseiging army sure enough..but it had lifted the seige. It had gone back to attack my field army.

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I was far better equiped to fight this battle. After a big fight between the mounted men it became a shoot out.

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Men on the bridge made a nice target.
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Result! Enemy attack me and I get man of the hour...despite having my best general also in the battle. I now have two generals with the same unpronouncable name.
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PS.And my main general has got a gold chevron. Thats my first ever in an Imperial campaign and earned the hard way.

Its gone Severous. Had to do a completely new installation. That was one decent campaign, I lost. Going to start a new one as the Seleucids.. :gah2:

Well done on getting a MoTH, though. Can't remember the last time I had one!

On second thoughts, think i'll try the Egyptians as well.

Egyptian campaign started well (XGM Mod). Got an Alliance with the Seleucids which allowed me to focus on the economic build early on. I also took Siwa and Petra pretty quickly. Rebels have proved a headache in and around the triumvirate of Alexandria (one rebel army actually had the audacity to seige my capital!), Memphis and Thebes.

I then launched a strategic attack on Kydonia and Rhodes!
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The Greek Cities didn't like it, but accepted a ceasefire straightaway! Naval trade will get a boost and my economy is really picking up again - making 10k profit (almost!). It needs to grow quickly though, as the Seleucids have just revoked our treaty arrangements and are looking to pick a fight soonish.

My army at Sidon should be able to handle the first few waves if and when they arrive..
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The triumvirate are growing as rapidly as one expects given their grain resource, so most of my troops should come from there. I built highways early on, so moving them about will be easier. Now I just need to keep training Desert Cav, Chariots, Archers and Axemen for the eventual showdown with the SE.

Note to self: Don't mess about with moddable files!

Sorry to hear you lost your campaign. I dont mod partly because I fear such outcomes.

Nice to see another Egyptian campaign. Havnt seen one of those before and can now see what you are doing. I see you will soon overtake me...I played only one battle yesterday.

Day before though I had a bit more time and fought for Tarsus.

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This was the second Pontic army to seige Tarsus. I sally forth as shown. But couldnt cripple the Pontic cavalry so a draw. Later in the same turn I brought up the Antioch govornor. His chariot added to the reinforcements allowed a second battle that same turn. The garrison this time was the reinforcements and the batle fought in the hills outside Tarsus. General made all the difference and that Pontic force was sent on its way.

Greek battles coming later this week.

Garvanko, next time this happens, copy the save file and put it somewhere safe so you can play it again even after reinstalling. Sorry to hear you lost your save. To keep you treasury under fifty, just bribe a lot of generals or create multiple elite-only armies, which should drain your coffers pretty quickly. Doesn't exactly take a genius to figure that one out :wink:

Ah well, that campaign was fun while it lasted I guess. Cheers, guys.

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Originally Posted by Tiberius

To keep you treasury under fifty, just bribe a lot of generals or create multiple elite-only armies, which should drain your coffers pretty quickly. Doesn't exactly take a genius to figure that one out :wink:

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Im not a fan of fielding lots of elites. And as for bribing generals - never do it because the prices for them are unrealistic. Keeping under 50k isn't hard, keeping under 100k is.

My latest campaign is with Dacia I have destroyed thrace and I am going into asia monor where the real money is like for instance I am getting over 1000 a turn from the two greek settlements. I sent my diplomat to rome for trade rights and see this.
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Atilla in the early days...
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I did not want to send him west as he might attack romans :laugh4:

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Atilla in the early days...
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I did not want to send him west as he might attack romans :laugh4:

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Heh! Well, we all got to start somewhere!

My campaign rolls on, slowly.. I managed to get the Alliance with the Seleucids back but, like clockwork they revoked it again! This time, I don't think they'll want to talk..
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I took Halicarnassus, but the AI surprised me with a quick two pronged attack..
https://img141.imageshack.us/img141/...ises7fr.th.jpg

I won the bridge battle easily.. I just find it funny to see the AI rout straight into my spears. Relieved the settlement, and continued to build up my forces at Jerusalem and Sidon.

Targets for the next 10 turns or so.

1)Take Antioch, Palmyra and Damscus.. Tarsus if possible.
2)Harass the Seluecids near Sardis - keep them occupied on two fronts
3)Take Cyrene
4)Get Trade Agreements with Rome, and agree ATM packages with Gaul and Spain.

my julii campaign

marius reforms still not occured ~:(

seleucids are doing quite good ,that because i've weaken egypt by modifying te troop aspects for example...desert axemen...i made them light infantry wit 3 attack and 1 charge instead of heavy infantry...all the units I've weaken them ~:)...and the results you can see tem in the campaign map

Im at war now with Carthage,Gaul and Germania

I conquered Marsilia and Narbo Martius but i lost them...now im preparing a strong army at Osca to get them back

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I want to achieve world domination in this campaign so i will come back with some new screenies

An update on my RTW V1.5 Vh/Vh Egyptian Campaign. Done a few more battles.

Have captured Crete and Rhodes from the Greeks. Also attacking Perthia and Seleucid as I work my way north. Rule the eastern med seas except for a pirate stack of 3x50 ships. Allied with Carthage who have their hands full against Roman and Spanish so wont be a threat to my African interests.

Think the Greeks will send armies to Crete on a regular basis so expecting to earn tons of experience. I deliberately send few troops against the Greek attackers in order to create unfavourable odds and thus more experience for those combatants I want to develop.

With odds in the Greeks favour this will be Heroic if won.
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Chariots riding through enemy Peasants dont kill them. They stand up again. Target practice for the archers.
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Enemy general (Faction leader) is the primary target of my archers. But if infantry present their backs downhill from the chariots then they become targets.
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Was a Heroic victory soon after this shot. Cut that a bit fine. Nearly run out of arrows.
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Orgahs, you should really consider trying a mod. Vanilla's just so boring and repetitive...

Usually people recommend a mod in posts like that... :idea2:

try EB which you can find in the EB subforum. in the Mod subforum you can find quite alot of mods though most are not finished.

Rome Total Realism is also very good. i though their site was www.rometotalrealism.com but you can find their link and also links to alot of other mods on www.twcenter.com

I decided to allow TS go gain a +1 I guess.

Almost all the mods are good, so why just recommend one? Different people enjoy different mods after all, and I'm no expert on them.

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Rome Total Realism is also very good. i though their site was www.rometotalrealism.com but you can find their link and also links to alot of other mods on www.twcenter.com

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Actually, www.rometotalrealism.com was the R:TR forum, but is now owned by someone that is not connected (anymore?) to the R:TR team. The real R:TR website is at www.rometotalrealism.org. You can get the latest updates and find the forums there.

Otherwise, I agree completely with you.

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Usually people recommend a mod in posts like that... :idea2:

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I absolutely recommend the Extended Greek Mod.


My campaign with Egypt is going steadily so far. Ive been defending Sidon, Damascus and Plmyra from large Seleucid stacks for the past ten turns or so. This has weakened them somewhat, and I thus felt sufficiently confident to contemplate a major counter-strike..

Strategically, the goal was to isolate their biggest roving army. Captain Pamiu prepares to attack the seiging Seleucids at Palmyra.
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But first Heruben, my main General, must deal with the key battle of 254BC - defeat the garrison at Antioch as they sally forth to meet him on the field. Heruben gets +3 command when defending! He's no slouch.
https://img242.imageshack.us/img242/...ioch9ik.th.jpg

I'll have screenshots of the battle for Antioch later tonight, I hope!

As the Seleucids grow weaker in the East, my forces are beginning to amass in Asia Minor. Taking Antioch is key, though. Its the most advanced city in the area, and will be a launching pad for my conquest of Pontus, Parthia and Armenia.

Alexandria and Memphis will handle the growing Carthaginian threat - already a full stack has showed up along my western border in Libya.

Antioch was taken - the battle took the full 40 minutes as i just sat outside and let them sally while I shot them to pieces. Tried to go in at one point, but boiling oil and towers were causing too many casualties - I play with unlimited ammo (unrealistic I know, but it I love Archers)..

Battle ended in a draw..
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But the Archers were the real heroes today..
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I got a Man of the Hour fighting the Seleucids - a certain captain Pamiu - remember him!! That big stack seiging Palmyra did as i expected and tried to race back to relieve Antioch. Pamiu held out and made a name for himself!
https://img84.imageshack.us/img84/49...hour0gg.th.jpg

And another even better one fighting some rebels!
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Pontus getting flanked by Levy Phalangites (or Nile Spearmen in vanilla).. Instant rout on that one!
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Just Tarsus to take and the Seleucids will be ready for a ceasefire agreement. I really hate Pontus, though. Along with the Gauls they really are a despicable, opportunistic, knife in your back faction.

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^Garvanko. Big battles you are having. I see your general has managed to get 3 gold chevrons. He must have shot a few thousand to achieve that.

My Egyptians are also fighting Pontus (and Selucid, Greece, Perthia, Pirates)

Here is my attacking force pushing out of Tarsus into Pontic lands. It built a fort at the limit of its movement. Too many Scythed Chariots around to risk camping out in the open without fortifications. Pontus attacked anyway. Laid seige to the fort. Three chariots in that army meant it would have been tough had they caught me in the open.

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On my turn I attacked. Sally forth. Well me General in his chariot did. The rest of the army stayed safe inside the fortifcations.

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Fire !

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Running amok towards their own lines.

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General took up position on the hill. Firing down into the Pontic army.

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Heroic Victory and my third famous battle marker of the campaign. Onward to Mazoka next turn.

Severous, Im seiging Mazaka myself right now. Should be fun to see how you deal with them

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^Garvanko. Big battles you are having. I see your general has managed to get 3 gold chevrons. He must have shot a few thousand to achieve that..

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Generals in this XGM mod have a bodyguard of Heavy Cavalry, not Chariots.

Heruben the Conquerer
https://img55.imageshack.us/img55/21...erer4zn.th.jpg

Key Retinue
1. Swordbearer +1 Personal Security, +1 Valour of Bodyguards
2. Chief Eunuch +2 Personal security, +1 Valour of Bodyguards
3. Bodyguard +2 Personal Securoty, +2 Valour of Bodyguards

Traits
1. A Bit Paranoid +3 Personal Security
2. Security Consious +2 Personal Security
3. Been in the Wars +2 Hit Points

He's also my faction heir +2 Personal Security.

Is he immortal?

This guy will probably die quietly in his sleep somewhere in deep in Scythia.

You go first with Mazaka. My account is somewhat special but in a boring sort of way.

Edit: Here is Africa. Putting down a rebel General.
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Grabbed the high ground in the centre and was never threatened. High ground gave me longer range against the enemy Bowmen who never got a shot off. Lost only 4 of my Desert Cavalry who met the Enemy Generals charge. Later worked out that the enemy only killed one of my men (in the whole battle)..the other three were lost due to friendly fire into the melee.

I have to decide next turn if this general goes West. To break my alliance with Carthage or not. :sweatdrop:

Ive got Heruben as well. 10* ! Last action was alone against 121 rebel peasants near Susa. Odds in his favour 10:1. Killed them all for no loss. Went from no experience to 2 experience.

Taking Mazaka

Started with a pretty strong lineup.

5 Phalangites
2 Cicilian Pirates
2 Ethiopian Axemen
4 Camel Archers
4 Desert Cavalry
1 Merc unit (Cav)

https://img397.imageshack.us/img397/...neup2cs.th.jpg

Attacked with the ram. Infantry moved in slowly, while Camel Archers kept the Pontic missile units at bay.
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Once I was in, it became a streetfight. Who were the stronger phalangites, i wonder? Who would win out in the end? Time for my Axemen and Pirates to get involved..
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Pontus was pushed back to the town square, where I rushed in with my shock troops..
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Camel Archers provided missile support and took out the enemy peltasts..
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In the end, it was fairly comfortable. Heruben probably wished he was back in Antioch.:book:
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Next targets.. Hatra and Ancyra.

Nice big fight well presented. Thanks Garvanko.

Heres my Egyptian capture of the same city.

My forces could just reach the town walls.

No seige was necessary. Spys opened the gates. So I assaulted same turn I arrived.

There were only two defenders. Scythed Chariot and a General.

I sent the Scythian Horse archer mercenaries in through the open gate you used. When they got in range of a unit in the plaza they fired at will. The enemy came after my horse archers which I withdrew out through the gate. This drew the enemy towards the gate. My ranged units outside the town fired at will once the enemy was lured into range. Then enemy soon tured back to the plaza.

Repeated this 3 times. First time it was the general who came down the road, then the Scythed Chariot.. twice. On its second pursuit it was hit by a big volley and 'ran amok'. I was running my troops away from the gate incase it came my way. It didnt. Instead it went into the plaza where the AI general was standing. Chariots killed its own general. The city was mine. Couldnt believe it. I wish I was quicker with the print screen..missed a great shot of the Pontic general being mowed down by a Pontic chariot.

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https://img72.imageshack.us/img72/92...aka18hv.th.jpg

Haha! Thats just class. Killed by his own crazy Chariots. Brilliant stuff. I was gonna say 'why not just auto-resolve that?' but I guess seeing that was worth the effort. Fantastic.

How much money are you getting out of Jerusalem?

Heres where I got up to tonight. Seleucid and Pontus destroyed.

https://img54.imageshack.us/img54/74...260s9nq.th.jpg

My first Egyptian faction leader to die. 64+ years old. He died the first turn I moved him out of a city and left on the road to another city. Wonder if thats a coincidence.

The two pirate ships in the corner have been ignored so far. They have been sitting doing nothing all game. Until now. I dont recall ever seeing a rebel pirate ship blockade a port.

Armenia attacked me over that same end of turn. I had been hoping to go west into Greece with most of my Egyptian army. Insead I will now go north..as well as west. The mountain passes of northern Armenia will make a good defensive line once Ive added their regions to mine.


Sardis was the last Seleucid city. Both Faction leader and heir were present. Both were killed by a single amok Scythed chariot.
https://img293.imageshack.us/img293/...dis38pm.th.jpg
That chariot was the top killer of the battle. I believe it caused all 167 of the enemy 'friendly fire' casualties.


PS. Will post Jerusalem Income figure tommorrow evening.

My campaign continues to mirror yours Severous. Carthage decided to attack me as soon as they finished off Numidia. I was prepared for them though - I had three stacks waiting for them on my western border in Siwa province.

Bit of brinksmanship ensued before I ganged up on one of their big stacks.
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The AI Reinforcements was taking a few too many risks with its General for my liking.:sweatdrop:
https://img91.imageshack.us/img91/46...anyrisk.th.jpg

My own General held it together though, and soon the enemy was routing.
https://img91.imageshack.us/img91/89...gfun9yl.th.jpg

Wouldn't you love to get behind one of these - not sure how you hold on, though!
https://img91.imageshack.us/img91/85...these9c.th.jpg

Victory and Glory!
https://img240.imageshack.us/img240/...hage2sg.th.jpg

Ive pushed the carthaginians back with my solid defence and am now forcing my way into their territory. Heruben the Conquerer also arrived on a massive Trireme fleet to bolster the command:2thumbsup:

My next targets - take Lepis, Thapsus and Carthage, then Sicily.

I have also started a campaign as the egyptians on m/m and all is going well. I am not fighting the seleucids just yet as I plan on taking parthia's settlements and then circling round into asia monor. This is the settlement plans for my biggest profit cities.
Jerusalem.
https://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5214/jerusalem5wp.png

Salamis
https://img238.imageshack.us/img238/502/salamis5vf.png
I even got over 10,000 a turn.

Jerusalem will have to upgrade to a Councillors Chamber in a turn or two, so best not to queue the buildings like that!

Maybe so but if they start to get unsure or rebel i will just lower the tax for a while then put it back up.

Yeah, but if you lower taxes, you will get in the red very quickly, and won't be able to afford anything, let alone all those buildings.. Rebellious cities make losses, and low taxes isn't going to bring that cashflow back anytime soon. As soon as a government building becomes available, it should take priority, especially with Egypt. Egypt has unbelievable population growth throughout the game, and every settlment will surely rebel if it doesn't have the best possible govt building at its centre.

Academies and Execution Squares are also very important for the law bonuses.

Academies + Temples, especially to Set or Horus + Govt building + Execution Square = Paradise. :2thumbsup:

In any case, I generally find that queuing lots of buildings early on generally leads to bankruptcy.

Once again the campaign is becoming too easy for me and I want a challenge. What is the best numidian infantry unit and what's there best cav?

Numidian Legionaries, but they require a high barracks level I think. Numidian generals, but they're rare (obviously). Numidian Cavalry should be good, being decent in melee and quite powerful with their initial javelin volleys. They're also easily replaceable.

Hmm only if they had armoured horsemen.

Good evening.

Here are the Jerusalem income details requested. Not as good as yours.

https://img358.imageshack.us/img358/...alem4sy.th.jpg

Its all that land based trade. Best roads are important here. I only build one thing at a time and check out the income gain from each before selecting what to build next. Military building dont tend to be built until there is nothing else to build.

No Govenor here which is probobly a mistake given its large income. Antioch has more income at present.

I moved my capital from Alexandria to Jerusalem in the past year. Jerusalem is more central to my expanding empire.

My faction leader died last night on the final turn before going to bed. He was on his way to Jerusalem and died on the road.

Cavalry only army take Selucia
https://img389.imageshack.us/img389/...cia12mv.th.jpg
https://img285.imageshack.us/img285/...ia179ot.th.jpg
Chariots are not very good inside towns.

The generals would split up after this. Best to go north, worst south to hunt down a Perthian army known to be on the loose...and build a few watchtowers in Arabia. Maybe he can go into Jerusalem when he is done. Other one mybe sticks around to build a few improvements before heading west.

Even without a governor you're still making quite a bit of money from Jerusalem, Severous. Not as much as Bombasticus Maximus, but he's got a larger population.

A large population doesn't seem to have helped me, though.. As soon as the Palace and Pantheion are built, Im building an Execution Square and Crop Rotation.
https://img459.imageshack.us/img459/...alem1uj.th.jpg

Stick up your tax rate to very high. ?

Then build the bazaar next ? Execution is a law building is it not...dont think you will get much benefit from that...unless it has a mod in your game that adds some income.

Gross income is high in your game...net income is lower because with a big population Jerusalem is paying for a huge portion of the overall army upkeep.

I see a camel trade route of some sort in your built items. Whats that ?

Ive got to get a govenor in there. Thats a dimension of the game Ive overlooked. My govenors are primarily military oriented whilst the others tend to move around seeking trait increases by being present in cities when buildings are completed.

This defeated Selucid General did a long retreat into 'safe' territory'
https://img447.imageshack.us/img447/...reat4br.th.jpg
I attacked him again same turn with another army
https://img286.imageshack.us/img286/...eat37lf.th.jpg
He got away again.

Remarkable....he was only one man. One man fled the first battle. He was two men in the second battle. As soon as his companion died from an arrow he routed. I couldnt catch him so he got away again. Tried to bribe him with my diplomat...after all he is just one man so maybe would be cheap...but no joy. He is now a rebel general as his Seludic faction was destroyed soon after. Wonder if he will still be in the Armenian mountains when my armies march north.

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Stick up you tax rate to very high. ?

Then build the bazaar next ? Execution is a law building is it not...dont think you will get much benefit from that...unless it has a mod in your game that adds some income.

Gross income is high in your game...net income is lower because with a big population Jerusalem is paying for a huge portion of the overall army upkeep.

I see a camel trade route of some sort in your built items. Whats that ?

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The AI is managing my taxation, and sets taxes as high as possible - I handle all unit training and building construction. Very high taxes would probably drop public order to 70% (red face and riots), so I'll probably have to wait till my Palace in built in a few turns for higher taxation.

I need the Execution Square so that at least I have the 5% law bonus before the poulation hits 30,000. Generally, with settlements like this where population hits 24000, I tend to concentrate on public order buildings. Jerusalem again, this time the settlement details..
https://img359.imageshack.us/img359/...alor2fm.th.jpg

As you can see unrest is at 50%, while squalor is at 80%. Can't do much about squalor until the palace is built, but the unrest needs to be quelled quickly or I'll have a blue face on that settlement for the next ten turns.

The camel route is a Trade caravan/Spice Road - it gives me access to lucrative trade from the East. Really boosts my economy. Its been implemented in BI as well, I think.

I run my cities on 70% and red faces. Not often run below that level as they will riot..but not on 70%.

Very high tax rate curbs city expansion.

I dont trust the AI to run anything. I like micromanaging the detail.

I will build public order buildings when the need is high..like if Im forced to lower taxes to 'High' in order to maintain order.

Something is bothering me about unrest at 50%. Why is it that high ? Population overcrowding doesnt cause this does it ? Or is it the lack of highest grade government building? I would suspect an enemy spy is causing that unrest if it wasnt for the gov building you need.

The AI does a excellent job on taxation, imo. I don't think I could micromanage the taxation in every single settlement - I'd go mad!

On the unrest, I don't think its an enemy spy, as I have agents in the settlement to watch out for them.

The garrison is around 40%, and its full up with peasants. So, yeah, the population is a problem - that should partly be solved by the Palace being built, and partly by the subsequent temple, execution square and crop rotation - in that order. I think a more comprehensive investigation of squalor and unrest can be found in the Ludus Magna.

Nevertheless, Jerusalem is one of the more rebellious settlements on the campaign map, along with Tarsus and Croton, among others - see frogbeastegg's guide.

Carthage blocked my route through Africa by land, so I grabbed Heruben, placed him and an army on a fleet and swept into Sicily.

Poorly defended, the Island fell quickly. Carthage a couple of turns later. Im going to try and take Thapsus and Lepis Magna.

Then i might end my campaign there..

I have started again as the germans. Which one of the shrines allows you to have berserkers? :help:

My Egyptian general looks like he might bite off more than he can chew

https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/...thia5no.th.jpg

He has 10 star in attack or defense...the Perthian leader 6.

Difficulty vh/vh

Think I will send him after an Armenian city instead whilst I bring up some more troops.

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I have started again as the germans. Which one of the shrines allows you to have berserkers? :help:

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Dude, go into the in-game tech tree. Pick a city that hasn't got a shrine yet, open the construction menu. Click the tabs on the left. One of them will be a tech tree. Scroll down to the bottom (where the shrines are) and click the most advanced sacred groves for each god.

One will give Beserkers. The others may be for wealth/health or some other things. You want to build the shrine that will eventually give you Beserkers.

Thanks. Screenshots soon :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Severous

Stick up you tax rate to very high. ?

Then build the bazaar next ? Execution is a law building is it not...dont think you will get much benefit from that...unless it has a mod in your game that adds some income.

Gross income is high in your game...net income is lower because with a big population Jerusalem is paying for a huge portion of the overall army upkeep.

I see a camel trade route of some sort in your built items. Whats that ?

Ive got to get a govenor in there. Thats a dimension of the game Ive overlooked. My govenors are primarily military oriented whilst the others tend to move around seeking trait increases by being present in cities when buildings are completed.

This defeated Selucid General did a long retreat into 'safe' territory'
https://img447.imageshack.us/img447/...reat4br.th.jpg
I attacked him again same turn with another army
https://img286.imageshack.us/img286/...eat37lf.th.jpg
He got away again.

Remarkable....he was only one man. One man fled the first battle. He was two men in the second battle. As soon as his companion died from an arrow he routed. I couldnt catch him so he got away again. Tried to bribe him with my diplomat...after all he is just one man so maybe would be cheap...but no joy. He is now a rebel general as his Seludic faction was destroyed soon after. Wonder if he will still be in the Armenian mountains when my armies march north.

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you killed my poor Seleciuds!!!!!!!! lol

Ive started a new campaign as the Scipii. In this mod, they only start with Capua, while Carthage holds Messana and Lilybaem. Syracuse is held by the Syracusan rebels.

I quickly sent a fleet full of my best troops and generals to Sicily and easily took Messana and Syracuse. Carthage seiged Messana in retaliation, but I held them off and seiged Lilybaem. I offered them a ceasefire and trade rights in exchange for Lilybaem. They accepted.

I got the settlement, with a garrison of 1 Hastati, 2 townwatch and 2 velites. I then took time to kick the Carthaginians out of Sicily.
https://img226.imageshack.us/img226/...cily6ha.th.jpg

Retrained my troops, then sent them straight to carthage before they could build up again. Took the city, exterminated the population , but now have to contend with an almighty population boom.
https://img226.imageshack.us/img226/...boom5mr.th.jpg

Carthage is the only city I have exterminated so far. Everywhere else I have occupied. Im making about 12k profit at the moment.

I took Thapsus fairly quickly after that, but Im now at war with the Carthaginian allies, Numidia. Ive also attacked caralis. I will probably expand west towards Spain, as im not too keen on running around in the desert right now, especially after just finishing an Egyptian campaign.

Nice bit of diplomacy Garvanko. Who broke the ceasefire between Scipii and Carthage ?

Im still playing my Egyptian campaign. Had time for a little more play.

I am allied to a strong Carthage. My diplomats and spies report I am no match for them..yet. First troops have gone ashore next to Greek held Athens. Hope to beat the Macedonians to that town. Want to ally to Thrace prior to the fight against Macedonia.

Its in the east that most challenge lies. Forces were not strong enough to take the Perthian capital. Too many Perthian horse archers are massed there. So its Armenia who is going to face the Pharohs might.

Instead Pharoh has faced an unexpectedly strong Armenian stack.
https://img48.imageshack.us/img48/38...aign0cx.th.jpg
Amyrtaios is a 4 star general with 430 men. Has a captain led reinforcement army of 55 inexperienced Archer Chariots. He faces these 1616 Armenians. Outnumbered 1:3 the battle odds take into account the stars and quality and report odds 1:2.

Its a bridge battle and I am the attacker. Looks bad.
https://img48.imageshack.us/img48/56...dge15gj.th.jpg

When the odds are against you, you can rely on the defender to take the offensive. My archers and chariots tried to shoot it out against the Horse Archers. Mistake. Despite open formation my Bowmen were decimated and routed. Waste. Bowmen usually kill loads...they would be the unit with the lowest kills by the end of the battle.

I fell back from the bridge to the high ground. Out of range of the Armenian Horse Archers. Now I can fire on the enemy who are now streaming over the bridge. First fight about to occur. Will Nubian Spearmen in phalanx be up to the task? Eastern Mercenaries wont...they are my reserve and going into action now to stop the flanking.

https://img103.imageshack.us/img103/...dge21ji.th.jpg
Did you see the friendly fire casualties my phalanx are sufferring. Archers still routing.

The Armenian Eastern infantry have low morale and break quickly. Wave after wave go the same way.
https://img147.imageshack.us/img147/...dge33ly.th.jpg
Remaining archers are back in the game.

Chariot archers just touch a flanking Eastern infantry unit and the Armenians rout....just like the others.
https://img125.imageshack.us/img125/...dge40vn.th.jpg

Recovering my ego now after the loss of so many archers. Pleased with my cheap infantry dishing out death. Chariot archers and Desert cavalry going off killing routers.

Infantry line up in good order eyeing the menace that remains on the far bank..the Armenian Horse archers have started to move forward.
https://img125.imageshack.us/img125/...dge51rp.th.jpg

Pride comes before a fall. Much has happended since the previous picture.
https://img88.imageshack.us/img88/11...dge69jx.th.jpg
My general, chariot archers and Desert cavalry have all routed, and recovered since you last saw them. The problem...me. When those Horse Archers came across the bridge I rushed them. Thinking they were hemmed in I could catch and kill them. Well I killed lots..but there were loads of Eastern Infantry (spearmen) milling around. They poked my horsemen/chariots to pieces routing them. Many of the routing enemy have reformed and are returning to fight.

Nubian Spearmen taking casualties but phalanx moving forward into horsemen is having predictable results.
https://img275.imageshack.us/img275/...dge73an.th.jpg
My weakened Desert cavalry and Eastern Mercenaries are chasing routers to the north. Theres a unit of horse archers (and other troops) that has recovered morale and threatening to turn the tables. Would send Chariot archers to help.

Armenian General gives a definant gesture before routing away.
https://img128.imageshack.us/img128/...dge81os.th.jpg

This earnt the fourth famours battle marker of the campaign. Heroic vicotry with lots of troops involved.
https://img238.imageshack.us/img238/...dge97we.th.jpg

https://img45.imageshack.us/img45/21...ge105yx.th.jpg

Overall position in the east. The battle above was on the western edge of this shot. In the east troops moving up for the assault on Perthia. That Perthian city is the only city on the map I have never ever captured.
https://img135.imageshack.us/img135/...ge112ef.th.jpg

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Nice bit of diplomacy Garvanko. Who broke the ceasefire between Scipii and Carthage ?

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I did, Severous.

I gave them three turns to leave Italy by boat, but they didn't seem interested. So I attacked them, won the battle and any remaining forces disappeared from the map. Such a waste by the AI. It did make war in Africa a little easier, though.

I would add that I am able to build any Roman temple (so while I have temples to neptune in Sicily, Caralis and Capua, I have built a temple to Mars at Carthage and Cirta, and a temple to Vulcan at Thapsus. I can also upgrade any temple on the campaign map as well.)

Regarding your Egyptian campaign...

I see you're having lots of fun fighting Armenia. From my experience, they are best fought from higher ground. This negates the strengths of their horsearchers and gives your own Archers greater range - Need to be on the defensive though. As you say their infantry have low morale, so imagine what climbing up a hill with missile pouring down on them does?

Good luck.

The easiest Famous Battle marker of my Egyptian campaign came with the capture of Athens from the Greeks.

There were three Greek units in a stack outside the city and one as garrison. I attacked the three outside the city so the battle took place there with the city garrison acting as the Greeks reinforcements. Egyptian missiles killed all the Greeks - all were Armoured Hoplites. This left Athens undefended allowing my troops to walk in and enslave the town.

The first 8 of the units that now make up the Athens garrison were the troops that captured Athens. No losses sufferred from the Armoured Greek Hoplites defending it but did loose 11 from friendly fire.

https://img210.imageshack.us/img210/...hens8yu.th.jpg

Haven't played RTW for a few days, so here's an update of my Scipii campaign. Ive started to make inroads into Spain, and finally destroyed the Carthaginians at Numantia.
https://img65.imageshack.us/img65/84...ntia6om.th.jpg

Marian reforms happened a few years back, and Im making quite a bit of money at the moment. Ive concentrated a lot on economic build, with Temples to Neptune really doing wonders for my economy. Added to upgrades to my farms and markets, and Ive had a fairly comfortable game so far. The challenge ahead looks tougher though - Germania has expanded and destroyed gaul, while The Julii are gaining influence in Western Europe. I hope to counter that with a quick expansion into the north.

Interesting to see the Greeks and Thracians doing well, as are the Seleucids in the East.

Garvanko...your Romans have an Elephant ! Batter those wooden walls down with it :wall:

I dont know how good those other troops are...never played post Marius...but I suspect you will soon own those two towns and most of Spain.


Meanwhile on the other side of the map my Egyptian campaign slowly takes a few more turns.

Here Carthage, my ally, and the strongest faction after Egypt decides to attack me. Maybe it didnt like me advancing towards its town.

https://img106.imageshack.us/img106/...age19dl.th.jpg
Campaign map shows my easterm borders are now secure. Passes between Sythian and ex Armenian lands are guarded with forts. Rest of my troops stream west...against Carthage and against Greece/Macedon.

Theres a lot of them. I have drawn up infantry on a hill.
https://img112.imageshack.us/img112/...age26yl.th.jpg

Im too outnumbered to flank the bigger army of Carthage. But my cavalry try and pick out exposed enemy. Shooting up the enemy horse is first priority for archers and slingers.
https://img106.imageshack.us/img106/...age37fq.th.jpg

Low point for the Egyptians
https://img154.imageshack.us/img154/...age44wn.th.jpg
Desert cavalry are good. But not that good. Bit off far more than they can chew by charging skirmishers who rushed back into the Carthage main lines...where many troops..and elephants were waiting/counter charging.

Going well now.
https://img154.imageshack.us/img154/...age55dx.th.jpg
Desert cavalry routed away but recovered. The enemy elephants have left the main battle to chase the Desert cavalry. As the enemy general is on the elephant that means the general cannot encourage his troops. Carthage troops do seem to be routing easily. (this is vh/vh). Dealing death with missile troops whilst Hoplites stand idle. Their time will come.

General taking fire from Carthage missile cavalry but I was more interested in the Hoplites. They had to face backward to deal with an enemy that was after the missile troops on the hill.
https://img105.imageshack.us/img105/...age60ve.th.jpg

Hopites are in real danger. They are engaged and being charged from the rear by multiple Carthage units. Fortunately they rout the enemy to their front and were able to turn, a bit, to meet the enemy.
https://img105.imageshack.us/img105/...age75yg.th.jpg

Cavalry and chariot general rush to assist the hoplites.
https://img95.imageshack.us/img95/14...age87dx.th.jpg

Carthage break. Morale effects of cavalry and chariots too much for them. Watch out...Elephants are coming back.
https://img98.imageshack.us/img98/74...age94md.th.jpg

Fire with fire. Slingers in open formation run for their lives.
https://img234.imageshack.us/img234/...ge100re.th.jpg

Archers were not so nimble and got gored. Hoplites spot an opportunity to do some more poking.
https://img154.imageshack.us/img154/...ge114cc.th.jpg
https://img107.imageshack.us/img107/...ge124sw.th.jpg

Carnage all over the battlefield. Carthage is broken but not down. A nubian mercenary unit routing away after too many losses whilst others try to finish the elephants.
https://img154.imageshack.us/img154/...ge136fr.th.jpg

Forgot to tell my archers to stop using fire. Still town watch wont like this salvo very much. Several got burned.
https://img154.imageshack.us/img154/...ge145it.th.jpg

Cavalry and Chariots having fun.
https://img134.imageshack.us/img134/...ge153ap.th.jpg

An Amok elephant was the last enemy killed. Seemed really hard to kill. Won but took losses. Its a long way back to Siwa for replacements so need to capture the Carthage town.
https://img148.imageshack.us/img148/...ge165eq.th.jpg

Nice haul of experience gains for these green troops.
https://img148.imageshack.us/img148/...ge178wn.th.jpg

Immediately after this the GreeKs attacked near Thermon.
https://img154.imageshack.us/img154/...ece10ro.th.jpg
That battle was easy..missiles against hoplites..but I lost my faction leader as I missed a Hoplite phalanx march up to the chariots a poke em to death in a twinkle.
https://img137.imageshack.us/img137/...ece24he.th.jpg
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Haven't played RTW for a few days, so here's an update of my Scipii campaign. Ive started to make inroads into Spain, and finally destroyed the Carthaginians at Numantia.
https://img65.imageshack.us/img65/84...ntia6om.th.jpg

Marian reforms happened a few years back, and Im making quite a bit of money at the moment. Ive concentrated a lot on economic build, with Temples to Neptune really doing wonders for my economy. Added to upgrades to my farms and markets, and Ive had a fairly comfortable game so far. The challenge ahead looks tougher though - Germania has expanded and destroyed gaul, while The Julii are gaining influence in Western Europe. I hope to counter that with a quick expansion into the north.

Interesting to see the Greeks and Thracians doing well, as are the Seleucids in the East.

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How do you get elephants as the romans.

They are Mercenary War Elephants. I recruited them in Africa.

Update.

Took Lemonum from the Germans (senate mission), before I went for rebel-held Narbo Martius.

Taking the gates at Narbo Martius
https://img190.imageshack.us/img190/...arbo0mr.th.jpg

Infantry lining up and pushing on to take the town square. Cav in the background.
https://img190.imageshack.us/img190/...ngup1sh.th.jpg

Carrying the war to Germania at Alesia.
https://img190.imageshack.us/img190/...ania2gw.th.jpg

Im gaining ground on the Julii in Western Europe, so that should slow down their expansion a bit. The Greek factions (Macedon aside) are very powerful in this game.

Having fun.:2thumbsup:

I have put my Egyptian campaign down for a while.

So I can participate in the Carthage campaign being run as a multiplayer campaign ...in the PBM section of this forum. (Throne room)

Here Carthage takes on Roman Brutii (and Scipii). Pay back time for the many assaults sent against Carthage lands.

https://img78.imageshack.us/img78/40...rn401kw.th.jpg