As far as I know, you Sasaki are not starter of bandwagons.
Why the sudden change??
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As far as I know, you Sasaki are not starter of bandwagons.
Why the sudden change??
doing it on the first round out of fun as hardly anyone is posting?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius
Sasaki starts a ton of bandwagons. Most people just don't follow him unless he posts some convincing evidence to go along with it.
Warluster, however, is IMHO a good lynch. So far, it looks like his three outcomes are:
1) As Hugh mentioned, WoG bait. Therefore, no big loss if lynched (although I would like to see his humiliation).
2) Unhelpful townie. No big loss.
3) Mafia. No big loss.
Caius, you're acting weird. But that's usual for you. Please try to be more of a help.
I'm waiting for other people's input.
GH why is lynching a mafia no big loss? If we got a mafia lynched on the first turn? Scummy noo?
EDIT : Compltly ignore what i just said GH is dead. LMFAO
WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill
Lynching mafia is a gain. or "no big loss".
GH is dead. He is proven innocent, it is not scummy, but that is.
But you have acted like this in every game you have played. Expect to be lynched some time. I doubt you will be killed because you will draw votes.
Vote: Warluster
I am going to see a trashy band play on a ute...close to a wagon.
I LOVE THAT SMILIE!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Unvote Ichigo
Vote Warluster
@ Pevergreen
See, told you I suck at mafia games lmfao, I always draw votes to myself
Vote: Sasaki...er...whatever his last name is.
Yeah yeah, I had a role. I can't believe I died via mosquito injected nanites... very creative though. :yes: So, which of you mafia has a grudge against me to take me out the first round? :inquisitive:
And why is this Mr. Two?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xehh II
If my brain is working and wants to remember, I'm pretty sure that you were the first to go on about me being "fake".Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Read up through Siggy's, but I have calls to make.
Back on later to finish etc.
Edit:
Okay, I have scanned the whole thread. I will go back through and begin the vote-log.
So far, I'll join GH & Sasaki. GH sums it up nicely.
This thread seems active and juicy for round one -- pity Kommo can't analyze it for us.
So is debate :yes: Bandwagons sadly tend to limit that. and of course you have to remember the possiablity of the mafia hiding behind them.Quote:
bandwagons are good.
Why? Did I miss the reason? Is it me or have you been acting differently this game? For now it's just a gut suspision, for lack of anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Vote: Saskii
How Ironic :bounce:
Well destro why did you join my bandwagon?
The reason wagons are good is that we can ask the people on them questions. There's little to debate if people just spread out their votes.
Yes, concentrating votes once we have the nesscary debate is necceary but blindly urging people to follow you is bad for the town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I also find it ironic, you say bandwagons are good but go after others for that very same reason.
You still havn't answered the question, what is you reason for voting Warluster?
To start a bandwagon so we have something to talk about. He's no loss.
Bandwagons are good because I can go after somebody for them.
Vote: Warluster
Concur with GH's summary.
Still dodging the original question, surly theirs someone more supious then a lurker?
Like who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Destroyer of Hope
I don't see anyone.
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro
Ah, a signal of intent. Not even a meatball from Sasaki, and I am left
disappointed as a result.
This is by far the stupidest thing I've ever seen. How does Vote:someone give you something to analyze? You know cause I'm confused :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
Heartwarming, Csar. I shall keep you in mind and aim to impress every time.
:thumbsdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Should have been more clear I was talking about the bandwagoning. Sorry about that.:laugh4: :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by rdeče.jabolko
Because of that awesome bandwagon smilie, no more, no less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Well we've spent the last page talking about it ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Christ, if he's Detective I'd have hoped he wasn't that obvious. It brings back memories of RTWguru in Godfather 2. You remember that, I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
What is this meatball and signal of intent and why are you disappointed I'm so confused.Quote:
Originally Posted by rdeče.jabolko
You've forgotten the meatball? Devastation once more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
~:(
Oh course, but it's still a possiblity, and you know it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
That gives no good reasoning why it's a good idea too bandwagon someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
*checks glossary*
It's day one and I had a reason.
I'm not terribly surprised to be under lynch threat today given last game...I can confirm my innocence by tomorrow though, so I'd appreciate some unvotes.
Are you trying to shut down discussion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
There are no good reasons for votes day one. Are suggesting we don't vote day one? But then how will we vote day 2?
You've started some good discussion.:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
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Originally Posted by HughTower
peverQuote:
Originally Posted by pever
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Originally Posted by Disco
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Vote: Sasaki...er...whatever his last name is.
You've created a lot of bandwagoning, but no useful discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus
This is supposed to help I suppose?
um yes. Those people were all willing to bandwagon. From their posts we may sometime later be able to judge why. Also many people have talked about other things including you and me right now. We're already well over half the size of the last game.
You're usually more pro-discussion than this.
I just don't think it will be helpful to bandwagon Warluster. And then they'll just be "Well Sasaki thought it was a good idea he had to be right" that's the answer you're going to be getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I'm pro-discussion always, but I'm not pro-bandwagoning.
bandwagons create discussion. I don't think there's any point in saying this again; numbers don't lie.
*276*
Yeah, but that's 46 posts that's only a smaller part of the night phase.
Hell, I don't think your game got 46 posts in a day. That's starting to look scummy.
Hey, since I will probably miss it when I am in the hot seat, I bandwagoned just because I like the bandwagon smilie.
Alright whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
May I ask how?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
The first voting period will end at about 9 am EST. (Note that I'm not really sticking to a hard-and-fast 24-hour rule in this game; my schedule won't really permit it.)
He's obviously crazy:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Destroyer of Hope
Was unaware of a glossary entry, but that is certainly nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Your reason was no better, in my view, than a meatball sighting. That being the
case, I felt the least you could have done was give us a meatball. [Smilie worth
an honourable mention.] You didn't, and so disappointment followed.
Why are you so eagre to defend him?Quote:
Why should he post? What's he done? The kills have just been posted & instead of giving us your thoughts on the nature of the kills, game mechanics & anything else that comes to mind, you rock up, mis-read the the thread & chuck a lazy vote out at a relative newcomer. If you want to make people speak, ask them a question, don't threaten them with a lynch as a first resort (however empty it might be). My question to you then, CountA, is what has Roadkill done to warrant your close attention?
Check back over all the recent games. I start with a random vote at all times. It generates discussion, which helps the town.
Unvote: Roadkill
Vote: Hughtower
Now I'll read the rest of the thread.
Unvote : HughTower
I'm not joining the bandwagon. Lynching a townie, even a bad townie, will do us no good. Besides, there is already enough pressure on Warluster for now.
Disadvantages for bandwagon: 1) mafia can hide on it by a) putting their vote, hiding in the crowd b) not voting at all since it's not necessary, a townie will get lynched which is fine for them, no need to draw attention to them by joining the "discussion" ; 2) it puts pressure on only one player, other players aren't under threat and won't bother to talk.
I prefer votes a bit spread with a real threat for several players to get lynched because that will generate more discussion...
That said, I will :
Vote : Discovery1
You and Ichigo both knew about BlackAxe's role and now he is dead.
Right, I see heaps of people voting for me, but I see no reasons, give me reasons!
And the person who started the bandwagon:
Vote:Sasaki
This doesn't convince me. Why would they kill him and then claim to know his role... unless of course...Quote:
You and Ichigo both knew about BlackAxe's role and now he is dead.
DAMN YOU WIFOM!
Sasaki, who conveniently happens to be the one with the most votes, next to you...Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
Usually, the mafia doesn't start a bandwagon. If the mafia even bothered to vote, the third, fourth, ... voter is probably mafia, but chances are big the mafia didn't even bother to post/vote now, since a townie will get lynched anyway (assuming you are a townie...).
Why don't you read through the thread and answer Sasaki's and GH's argumentations in a decent way?
And do you have any other reason to vote Sasaki than a) retaliation b) saving your own skin?
Just read through the two pages I read, and its complete crap. Explains nothing, says nothing and theres no real argument just nonsense.
In avoidence of getting Lurker-Lynched, I'm now posting.
However, since this is my first game, I know almost none of you, and all the arguements seem to be based around bandwagoning the person that's trying to bandwagon you, I:
Vote: No Lynch
I'll change that if I see a half-way decent arguement or if I get bored.
Vote:No lynch
Reason: the first lynch is (more often than not) useless. There are many roles in this game, and the Pro-town roles section has not been updated (yet) by Kommodus. If there are more than ~10 townie roles, we have a chance of 1 in 3 of lynching a pro-towner. Whereas, I believe the chance of lynching a Cosa Nuova operative is something like 1 in 15.
We would do better to wait, and I'll remind people that bandwagoning is BAD for your health.
Although no lynch bandwagon is not that evil, I should say.
A lynch gives us something to go on. If they were mafia, who they voted for, why and who they were protecting gives us a good insight. Same goes for a townie lynch. Its not the most desirable, but its inevitable.
So we're going with what I said: lynching Sasaki since it's more safe to us?
Seriously GH's reason to vote Warluster was good and why does Sasaki have to be punished because others are bandwagoning. It's not like Sasaki was totally serious when he posted the bandwagon smiley. Others are bandwagoning. They just join the bandwagon, Sasaki just made a first post, that's hardly a bad thing is it?
Well you could contribute yourself ofcourse, you are being less helpfull then Sasaki on normal days, might change my vote to you. If I do that, people will say I bandwagon (just as all the 5 others who did), but they will vote for me. Those people who then change, they are the ones we're after. But I won't change my vote as I'm convinced Caius is suspicious (but then he always is)Quote:
Just read through the two pages I read, and its complete crap. Explains nothing, says nothing and theres no real argument just nonsense
You have to come with something better than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
If you are a townie, you should do a serious effort to avoid getting lynched, in the intrest of your team (the town).
Don't think your vote on Sasaki will save your skin. Just like Stig, I'm willing to vote you. A vote is quickly changed. So, if you don't come up with a better defense and good arguments, I might switch my vote to you to make sure you're the one to hang and not Sasaki. If necessary, Stig might change his vote as well.
@Sasaki: why will you be proven innocent by tomorrow?
In plain & simple language then, Warluster, you are being voted for because you add nothing to the discussion - no opinions, no musings, no whimsy, apart from the fact you are indecisive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
We are not here just for our votes, but for our fine forensic minds.:idea2:
SK has called for a bandwagon on you to try & squeeze some discussion out of you. He, as well myself, Seamus & pevergreen, will remove our votes if you make some attempt to participate in the hunt for the mafia. Andres has promised to join it if you don't.
These terms are very clear.
In Sasaki's defence (although he probably doesn't need one from me), his behavior of voting for various people, without necesarily giving a reason IS indeed to begin discussion. Remember Stealth Danger Mini-Mafia, recently finished. He just went down the list of people having joined to fuel discussion.
And, pevergreen, we already have a rather good amount of people having voted. I think we already have something to go on.
Well vote tally:
Sasaki 5
Disco 2
Hugh 1
Warluster 5
Caius 1
Myrddraal 1
No need to vote Warluster yet
@Kommodus: what happens in case of a tie? Re-vote, no lynching or both players get lynched?
Vote Tallies as of 1010 EST 4/4/7:
Sasaki Kojiro = 5 (Caius, Destro, Redce, WarL, Xehh)
Warluster = 5 (Disco, Hugh, Pev', Sasaki, Seamus)
No Lynch = 3 (Ichi*, Fr3nzy, W Horus)
Discovery1 = 2 (Andres, Sigurd)
Xehh II = 2 (Omanes, Road')
Caius Flaminius = 1 (Stig)
HughTower = 1 (Arach)
Myrddraal = 1 ('khaan)
Not Voting = 10 (Rabbit, Dutch, Iggy, Kage, Motep, Myrddraal, Sapi, Tran, blade, Xdeath)
* Ichigo withdrew his vote from Sasaki, but did not actively vote no lynch
Points to consider:
-- Say what you will about Sasaki and his bandwagons, we've got 20 of 30 voting actively in the first round! 67% suggests FAR fewer wogs than average ahead.
-- Persistent vote shifters include = Andres, who voted for 4 different people this round (and a 5th before it closes?)
-- However, participation isn't keeping up with voting. 13 players have fewer than 4 posts. Our murder victims Axe = 4, Hanky = 15; have more participation going!
Andres always does that, it's how he plays the gameQuote:
-- Persistent vote shifters include = Andres, who voted for 4 different people this round (and a 5th before it closes?)
Probably so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
It is possible to use this approach as a "white noise" kind of buffer though.
When Sasaki starts pointing fingers, he often draws return votes; Andres does not seem to when he does his pressure voting.
Still early days in the analysis stuff.
Also, GeneralHankerchief has a correct reason to post a lot. He's a Mafia Veteran, who will then wish to help the town.
On the other hand, some people won't want to post as much, since a Mafioso will post just enough, although some will go highly active, and others will lurk.
Townies will want to say what they can to help, except saying "yeah, I agree with you, ergo Vote:person" is suspicious. It's bandwagoning. When are we others supposed to know when it's truthful, though? That looks like suspicious activity from that guy who posted about once or twice, so you lynch him. Except, he's only the nice townie who's got nothing else to say.
Half of those lurkers are probably busy with Real Life, the bane of the Orgahs.
That's because I put pressure in a gentle and friendly way :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Sasaki can be a bit harsh which sometimes draws votes to him.
I indeed tend to shift votes often, trying to put pressure on several people in the same turn to get more players talking.
Questions combined with a vote are a tad bit more difficult to ignore than just questions, me thinks.
OOC: What's a "white noise kind of buffer" ?
'White noise' is similar to static from an untuned TV & radio.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning
Seamus means that by saying a lot in such 'helpful' fashion, you could be using your 'noise' to act as a 'buffer', thereby skilfully hiding dastardly intentions.
But, you wouldn't do that, would you, Andres?:thinking:
White Noise Buffer = so many postings/accusations/etc. that it becomes difficult to keep track of suspicions/defenses while at the same creating the image of a poster who is apparently active and helpful of discussion. This can be used as a "shield" to divert attention.
Currently the vote is tied - 5 for Warluster and 5 for Sasaki Kojiro. Rather than have a re-vote, I'm going to keep the voting open until the tie is broken. If it's still tied at the end of the day, we'll do a re-vote between the leading candidates.
I'm still wondering why someone would want to take me out right away. I'm new at mafia so I'm not as much of a threat for lynching the mafia, as I have no skills. I suspect someone who knows me a bit better than the average mafioso... maybe someone from the chat... :inquisitive:
Well I'll break the tie then. Since I believe Warluster is the better lynch then Sasaki, tho mostlikely both will be townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Unvote: Caius
Vote: Warluster, for reasons mentioned before by others and me
Voting closed.
Warluster has been lynched. I'll write this up in story form this evening. However, the night phase has now begun, so go ahead and send your PMs please.
Ah... but Stig; WHY break the tie?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
The pressure was on the Mafia to break this tie as they want to get the game moving forward. The more time we spend discussing and contemplating the closer we get to unearth Mafiosi.
You put yourself right up on the top of the suspect list.
I have to think that you didn't think when you made that vote. :wall: :wall: GAH! Stig GAH!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
After he was killed Andres...Quote:
Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning
Answer what Andres? Bandwagoning is essentially voting someone with little to no reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Even so, imo it was better to lynch Warluster then Sasaki. So in order to allow Sasaki to live someone had to vote Warluster, would someone vote Sasaki first, he would be lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
If this puts me on your suspect list well fine to me
Hmmmm why the sudden change in attitude towards Sasaki?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
There is no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
He's still unhelpfull imo
But Warluster was even less helpfull
I don't agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
That's your problemQuote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Actually that's why your always lynched.:no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
Ah. Why didn't you say so before my friend? I almost took a plane to the USA to lynch you and Disco personally :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Off course, I'd like to see a confirmation from BlackAxe, but you and Disco are no longer on my suspect list for now.
I thought that was "meatballing".Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
@Stig: at Mafia VI I hated extended lynch rounds. I was mafia than. So it's normal people think you are suspicious for breaking the tie. Kommo said that if the tie would have lasted for a whole day, we would have had a re-vote. Another possibility would have been that the tie would not have been broken, but instead another player would have come under heat. So by breaking the tie so fast, you prevented more discussion... But we will see what happens during the night. No need to give the mafia any more clues right now.