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Yes, that is right StoneCold, but the orders I got from Scherer during the diet via PM were to take Paris and then go and capture nearby French settlements. Before we took Paris, we already bordered Bruges, Angers and Toulouse as well, so those would be legit targets.
Now where's our resident lawyer to help us clear up what this CA actually means :tongue2: Not like I really want to go capture every French settlement in sight, but I would have to, if its legal.
hmm... maybe... Still dubious about that. Maybe TC can gives us his excellent ruling on that bit of law. But you can following it and see where it goes. With the western border undefended as such, the SHA on the attack, and the BHA in the east helping Austria, EIA heading north to the Danish threat and FHA in the northeast against the Russian... if any towns falls in the west, you can blame it all on the the swabians... :P Remember we are still pumping 10K a turn into their economy, I hope you are still doing that, so a full stack or two could appear out of nowhere any turn.
Fun thing is that France has 4 Citadels and only 1 city left. With the huge cash injection they get each turn, it should get interesting.
The French forces are basically all but destroyed in the area close to Paris due to the recent battles. Northwestern france is in shambles and last time I checked they barely got any garrisons. Only area where forces are present are southwestern France, but it would take them a while to assemble a large army again.
Not really. From what I read, the AI do not have a limited recruitment pool like us human players, so as long as they have the cash, they could get new troops. So there is not as much time as you think there is. Also, as you say, the north is in shambles, the french troops are in the southwest where the HRE do not have any armies, both swabians and bavarians are deployed elsewhere, only garrisons.
In the northeast, there are your SHA and the EIA, which will be there soon.
As a Duke, I think you should be more interested in protecting what lands you have, especially traditional swabian lands, than going on a conquering roll.
The way the rule works, the Chancellor must obey (legal) Household Army orders that are submitted to him at the beginning of his term. Offensive operations can only target a single settlement. As the SHA instruction indicated Paris first, then Paris seems to be the single settlement target that the Chancellor had to let them take. The SHA orders about other settlements were invalid because they specified multiple settlements at the same time (plus they indicated territories which were not adjacent to Swabian lands at that time, which is also invalid). Therefore the initial SHA orders were fulfilled when Paris was taken.
The Duke of Swabia can give new orders for the SHA at any time and it is perfectly legal for him to specify further targets, so long as does it one at a time. However, any orders submitted after the start of the Chancellor's term are fulfilled at the Chancellor's discretion. So, whether the SHA continues to advance or not is totally up to FactionHeir. If he let's the Swabians do what they want, that is legal. If he makes them hold back, that is also legal.
OK thanks for clearing that up TC. How much do we owe our lawyer? :D
I think just send his avatar soonest to the nearest battle and be knighted should be enough payment... hahaha
econ: Good catch on the max 2 GB per stack. Totally forgot about that clause and was about to join the young boys with Jonas. Guess he'll have to pick up one at a time then or have them come in as AI or self controlled reinforcements.
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Reason I mention GB vs knight is that GBs counts as Knights, Cavalry AND GB in terms of army composition. Since we got a limit of 2 per stack, I thought making them not count as knight would be fair.
In RTW and MTW, GBs would destroy entire armies, but not really anymore in M2TW with shield fix etc. GBs are still strong against low grade units like town militia and peasant troops, but you normally won't see a single GB take down more than 3 high quality infantry unless you got unit support to get into their rear. GB also can at best kill 2 medium quality cavalry. Of course that's all speaking with 0 valor.
TinCow is right about the legalities regarding the Swabian Household Army - it is down to Factionheir but please, let's not rush France. Remember the Citadel thread from the HRE player who won the game by turn 14 or something? We don't want to go there. Without France, what's Swabia going to do? I think we should let the Swabians defend their new conquests for a while. At least let's put the conquest of France to a Diet vote - it did not even get a seconder at the last Diet.
too bad neither me or sigismund is knighted cuz then we could travel ourselves
Econ: edited my post above about the time you replied.
I sent Xdeathfire a PM already asking him to name at most 1 settlement ICly OOC for obvious reasons.
It seems that my cavalry force will be at the best tiny.:sweatdrop: Im not so sure that the Austrian mostly infatry army can take on another so heavy cavalry army like this one was. I think that this was the closest battle so far for me in this PBM and i could have lost it.
Cav heavy armies are devastating, especially Mailed Knights. Those are the cheap and effective even in late game. I used those to kill Mongols in SP (high valor veterans of course) :D
i love cav heavy armies
The battle report is up.:yes:
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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921
That's why we have to limit them. They are too powerful.
God forbid someone actually loses a battle in this game. The lose of face would be huge :beam:
Will someone running this show tell me when I'm knighted...otherwise I'll be getting drunk somewhere and beating dogs out of frustration!!!:wall:
Holy Hell Kag,
50% casualties and you won. That was a close call.
Get your trousers to Ragusa, we can re-arm and then lets go kick some Hungarian ass cheeks.
Sorry to the rest of you fella's but I'm pulling rank on this one :whip:
geez! the AHA is in tatters
AG: Hans lost his first battle. Check the reports section ;)
Kag, good battle there, very close... :)
AG, you could lead the reinforcement to the Durrazo to reconstitute the AHA.
Edit: Ok, saw that FH did this already. :P
I have no idea what's going on now :inquisitive:
Are we going north to relieve Zagreb and Budapest or are we hanging around Daruzzo and spanking Venetian's?
I'd suggest Kag and FH that the priority is to defend what we already have rather than taking anything from the Venetian's at this stage.
Do we have a latest save?
FH updated his chancellor report. Apparently all of you austrian nobles are galloping south to reinforce Jonas near Durrazo. Not yet in the position to initiate siege yet, I think. So still have time for a change in plan.
Maybe abandon the infantry in the AHA, allow them to slowly follow behind, and go north as a full noble force and use the forces from BHA to reconstitute a traditional army?
Arent the Bavarians moving to take care of Hungarians? I bet that if we can get just atleast little more men=cavalry to AHA.We could siege Durazzo and fight an defensive battle againt the Venetians sallying from there.Assaulting the full stack there could be a suicide.:sweatdrop:
Thanks SC, I'm going to read the report now.
Keep in mind the Army composition Kag.
Econ and myself reminded FH about that. There are 4 nobles in Ragusa plus enough foot to reinforce you nicely.
That's why I said I'm pulling rank. There can really be on two General Body guard's in one army...that mean's you an I Kag for the purposes of Knighting.
It's clear now that Lothar Steffan is going have a shot at Zagreb, and there are reinforcement being sent to Budapest. As there is only 2 units sieging it I guess FH is going to auto calc that.
Yes, TC offered to use 5 regiments to fight the Hungarians and we'll see what he's worth ;)
In other news, Dutch_guy fought and won the battle at Thorn losing only 130 men and occupying the fortress. Ansehelm should be very happy.
FH are you sending all the infantry in Ragusa down south also?
What are you going to do with all these GB's? :beam:
They are. But I think AG wants to be the one to save his dukedom. :P Not to say he doesn't trust his friend, but it is his to save...
I think I agree with him, Ragusa shorten the massive Austrian border but taking of Durrazo will lengthen it again. I think Leopold always intends for the attack to be more of a raid than a take and hold battle.
Edit: bleh, need to type faster... :P
Maybe we could hire few Frankish merc knights?Im pretty sure that if we leave the Venetians be they will follow us shortly.But then we will have time to get some reinforcements also, basicly its same to me.After you are knighted Aussie the problems on that front will be all yours.~;)
Hey chaps.
SC, I've got no problem with Lothar lifting the siege at Zagreb. He and I go waaay back to pre-primary school for nobles :2thumbsup:
Kag, that's a good idea about the Mercenary knight's. FH can we do that?
And you correct Kag, once knighted you can leave me with a boarder the size of China...I'll have to blood your sons so I can split the House Army in two to do this work.
And Leopold's excursion into Venetian lands was not to take any provinces but to simply go raiding. I have no intention of taking Durrazo at the moment.
At the moment, I have sent AG down with 3 pavise crossbows to Kagemusha who is standing outside Durazzo (not sieging as this would provoke a sally and he might not win that). The rest stays inside Ragusa for now as garrison.
I'm shortly going to put up the first events of 1224 into the C&G reports, but in short, the most important news are:
Hungary has taken Zagreb and occupied it.
Milan besieges Florence and has attacked a regiment of pavise crossbows on the road with another small stack they landed. I retreated from battle so we wouldn't lose those. We are thus now at war with Milan.
Hungary has been excommunicated by the pope.
Markus Steffen and Siegfried von Kastilien have come of age.
Aussie I think in that case we just have to go and pick a fight with the Venetians when we meet them somewhere. I think my character and his pagan magigian has lot to do after the commanding duties of Von Mahren are over. I think its about time to add some gazolin to the flames of Reich´s politics.:2thumbsup:
Btw what are the Danish doing? I would love to get up into North to kill some of them bloody vikings.:smash:
Kagemusha - can I just check, it's only your sons and not Jonas who have joined the House of Austria? Sorry I missed that. Please confirm and I'll change the playlist.
Yes, according to the story that is right, econ.
Yep.Jonas didnt join Austria but his family did. He is still the count of Magdeburg.There will be more about things concerning these issues in the stories thread soon.:yes:
Just to inform you that Hans has engaged the Hungarian rear guard (3 dmt feudals) and defeated them and as he looked for the large Hungarian host, he found them besieging Constantinople. Since his army was too weary to assault them this year still, he decided to take only his cavalry and engage the Hungarians in hope of aiding our Byzantine allies.
Now, this would be fine normally, but I should note that the battle I'll be fighting in a minute, has my force at 4 knights and nothing else (Hans' GB, 2 Feudal, 1 Mailed Knight) with the Constantinople garrison against a full stack Hungarians. Odds are 1:2
Hope no-one minds this ahistoric composition, but that is the only way of helping our allies in time and I think it can be justified as above.
Fry me after the battle :)
Chancellor's Report 1224 AD is now final. Going over to 1226.
Good Battle there. I would have thought it would be a closer affair, guess the lack of a general really tip the balance.
Why not send Jobst to help out the English in Antwerp, they are still there right?
I've lost count how many times we've saved Constantinople. . .The Byzzies definitely owe us a fruit basket or something.
I look forward to the battle report, should be an interesting read.
As for moving the cav ahead of the rest of the army, as long as it is a temporary thing, I don't see a problem. When I was Chancellor, I moved the BHA's cavalry ahead to seize Marseille, the rest caught up next turn.
StoneCold: Yes, good idea. He's almost at Frankfurt anyway which should allow an easy transition over :)
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
OK: As long as they keep the alliance and don't start attacking us, I'm happy :D
Hope that Bavaria feels better with the Milanese gone now too.
Btw, I've just added the end of turn savegames for 1222 and 1224 to the end of the reports. Didn't have a 1220 end of turn save anymore however...
Please also comment ICly in the diet on the report and its contents and whats happening in the empire and the usual bickering :feedback:
Yes you are part of the battle AG, now get out of the diet :p
Sorry!
I'm getting excited!!:oops: :beam:
Feel free to fight the battle in SP to see how it is if you want to.
I most certainly will tonight, but after Kag does the honours.
Maybe before hand if he is late.
Still I wont tell anyone.
At least this battle allows me to spend some time writing up mine. ~:) Its already up to 30% in the battle reports section, mainly introduction and pictures with arrows.
wow, I stay in rome for a bit and the BHA is dismantled and usurped!!!
:D:D
I've got no warts which is good, TC is taking part of the BHA to Zagreb to relieve the siege? or an army assembled from garrisons?
I still have to read the diet, stories, and battle reports, but it look sall good so far~:cheers:
@ AG Comming to Canada? if you are in Northern Ontario gimme a Call!
The BHA is still well above the recommended strength but currently led by Captain Kurt as there is no qualified commander for it, other than yourself.
Lothar Steffen has taken 3 dismt feudals and 2 armoured sergeants to besiege Zagreb, which luckily had most of its garrison removed by the Hungarians. I guess if he's unlucky, the Hungarians will return and try to lift it, but that should be rather unlikely as I have moved the rest of the BHA about a turn's march from him. He was confident to use his small force against the full garrison however, so if they attack him in a field battle, that shouldn't be too big of a difference. Good way to get knighted.
Ok so it seems there are quite a few Canucks around.
I'm going to be in:
Toronto from the 9th to the 11th.
Ottawa from the 12th to the 13th.
Montreal from the 14th to the 15th
Then back to Toronto from the 15th of June to the 17th of July.
Anyone in the area that would like to catch up should PM me.
Please note...drinking will be involved. Those of you who are allergic should not attend. I am Australian!!
And I love Canadian Beer!!
Pitty the Senator's are getting destroyed in the Stanley Cup.
Battle report with pictures is now final. Results are considered sent and known to the diet.
And if anyone is wondering why there has to be a limit on GB's and Mounted Knights in our armies...please read FH latest Battle report.
Excellent work FH. :beam:
My losses would have been much higher if their artillery didn't start going mental and rotate 180 constantly until the Byzantines arrived to divert some attention :p
Cav is strong, yes, but only if you know how to use it properly and if you have ample opportunity to hit their rear/flanks. Having reinforcements basically solves that problem. If it were just my 4 knights vs their horde. Probably an average or close victory.
Having looked at the latest save, it looks like Damascus is a party and everyone is invited. Keeping the Crusade intact while wearing down the Mongols and taking the city is quite the strategic problem.
Fret not, for your chancellor has made all necessary arrangements ;)
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Pssst don't spoil it. You can post about endings after they have occurred timewise, but not before, without spoiler tags and warnings.
Crap, should I delete?
Put in spoiler tags at least. Best two of em.
And the battle is more than easy if you do it smartly. If you want to know how, PM me.
Having flipped through my English (Australian) to English (American) dictionary, I'm LMAO. Such language in the Diet. :no:
What would the Queen think?
She would be "not amused"
well, I just got the save, have to figure out what that whippersnapper Hans has done to My BHA ~;)
I'll be on later tonight.
Yes I went a little overboard but it was extremely boring with you all not saying anything.
The language is colourful without going too far...I hope:laugh4:
It is role playing of course. Arnold does have some type of foul mouth trait. And as for the Queen, well as much as she is the Queen, some humour is always welcome.
Been reading the :gah2:zette just now and found the M2TW articles to be well written. And TC's comment about the early internet was more than a funny read.
Almost feel tempted to let 3/4 of the empire rebel :D
You might be joking FH, but engineering a mass rebellion (a civil war being impossible with the game mechanics) might serve as an effective OOC brake on our expansion. I still want to take out the Aztecs and see Panzerphants.
Think of it, the Reich's rolling along, triumphant but for a few hiccups and suddenly, with the death of Kaiser Henry perhaps, half or a quarter of the provinces rebel. It sounds far fetched, but large empires often fragmented after the death of a strong ruler. Think of how we would have to scramble to reestablish control while our enemies circle around us gobbling up loose provinces.
I'm sure it could be doable by abandoning cities or console commands. Of course it would require a OOC vote.
Just a thought.
Hmm, a rebellion would work. I was thinking of perhaps waiting for the Black Death but that's way off.
A rebellion would be interesting, but it wouldn't really seem right unless there was a serious split in the Diet between two very different parties. It could happen in long-term sense, but right now there simply isn't enough conflict to justify it. Several players will be dying and getting new avatars relatively soon. If they chose to play dissenters or otherwise ally themselves with radical groups, it could build to something.
I wasn't proposing a Civil War (avatar vs avatar), just a peasant uprising/fragmentation where the Diet is intact but several territories go to the rebel "faction".
Nice as that is, I doubt any players would be willing to give up their city to rebels.
Hmm... there's an idea for future game rules (not KOTR). Rebellion mechanics. Is it possible to give cities/castles to other factions by console? Autorebellions might be interesting, but there would have to be an easy way to do it. Knocking down all the happiness buildings and disbanding the garrison would be annoying.
i think we should focus on attacks from the exterior before we have interior woes.
I'd say we keep plugging away.
The plague will hopefully do something when it comes, plus the Mongol's should do some damage and well as the Tank Elephant Nation.
I'm cooking up some stuff, so it should get interesting sometime soon.
I think we are at a tipping point - the AI posed a significant challenge at the end of my term in office. We had to pull back from Krakow; were stalled - and counter-invaded - when we went for Thessalonica; had to give up on Edessa. We took only one European province in 10 turns (Rheims) and lost another (Thorn). That gave the AI time to build up significant forces. The battle Kag just fought with 50% losses is an example of the result.
But if we start taking bites out of France, Hungary, Venice and Denmark, it will soon be all over. If we do want to spin the game out long enough to get to America (which I do, although I am not fixed on that), I think we should hold the present frontiers for a while - if we have to conquer something, give it back (without demolishing everything). We are big enough already and should find something to do other than just expand everywhere. This is mainly OOC reasoning, but even from a role-playing point of view, Medieval nations did not ceaselessly try to expand their borders.
Agreed.
We could start coming up with IC issues. Not that they should be artificially created to fit the OC reasons, but there were many issues to expansion that were greatly effected by the internal working of medieval nations.
I just took a look at the game and, contrary to what I had been led to believe, France is not out of it. Just from what I can see with FOW on, they have several full stacks defending their cities and near our borders. The Danes also have big stacks around the area and we already know that the Venetians and the Hungarians are causing problems. Top that off with the arrival of the Mongols and I think we'll have more than enough battles to worry about without even thinking of expanding. Let's just let things play out naturally and I suspect it will be fine.
Even with full stacks, we've proven that the AI armies stille can be thumped quite convincingly.
I am worried that with a fully fledged empire it is now up to us to how quickly we win.
On another note, do any of the KoTR veterens want to join Magna Carta as non-playing barons? I understand that not everyone's keen on fighting multiplayer battles, but I would welcome up to 5 non fighting players(like the Will of the Senate Upper House).
Yeah, I think we'll have enough in store for us without creating problems OOC just yet. Not that I'm opposed to an IC rebellion that is.
Sorry for my absence of late, but I have been busy and have fallen into a small motivational pit. I'm back on top though and have just surveyed the situation.
The situation around Damascus is tempting to strike at the Mongols. Mabye go down in a blaze of glory, but taking four other avatars with me, might not be considered good sportsmanship. Have to find another way to get out of this one.
We can always hope another obscure game mechanic will blow up in our faces, just like automatic Crusade ambushes did. :laugh4:
well, we could always try and re-conquor the roman empire of a thousand years ago, but an IC rebellion sounds like more fun.
and last night sucked, Ottawa lost, then I go to console myself in M2TW and find that while gerhard has lost the warts, his 'feeling poorly' has gotten worse to 'hypocondriach(sp)' with -6 hp I'm a little hesitant to send him into battle.
You could always have a glorious death. There are plenty of Steffens to go around.
Yes it's looking grim for the Senators now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
Gerhard's just not have a good time of it now hey. Maybe it's time to just retire and take a new avatarv :)
that's what I was thinking, although with 1.25a the no-going back trigger is gone I think, there may be hope after all.