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10-11-2007, 15:57
AussieGiant

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Aer you guy's #$%^#@$ing kidding me!!??

Jan got married!!

I wish I had #$#$ing nuclear weapons!! :wall:
10-11-2007, 16:03
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieGiant

Aer you guy's #$%^#@$ing kidding me!!??

Jan got married!!

I wish I had #$#$ing nuclear weapons!! :wall:

One of the many reasons I find this so awesome. Now if Jan gets a boy soon, that will be icing on the cake. It would be even better if he names him Arnold. ^_^

"fat dumpy stuck up Jan" gets married while "chick magnet Arnold" gets shunned at the alter. I love this game. :beam:
10-11-2007, 17:06
StoneCold

Re: Out of character thread XIV

TC, Econ, with the news blackout, will we be getting a new update on the Imperial Library? For people without the game, aka. me, it is very difficult to imagine the state of the empire as of now without a map. I can't imagine going another 10 turns without one... :P
10-11-2007, 17:11
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by StoneCold

TC, Econ, with the news blackout, will we be getting a new update on the Imperial Library? For people without the game, aka. me, it is very difficult to imagine the state of the empire as of now without a map. I can't imagine going another 10 turns without one... :P

Funny you should mention that... TinCow was just saying that - with all the gamesmastering he will be doing - he will find it hard to update the library. Would anyone like to volunteer to do it for him in 1320 and 1340? If someone could take screenshots of avatars and upload them somewhere, TC or I could edit them into the library as required. There's also a fair bit of other material needs updating - I think Factionheir helped out with that last time.

But don't worry, the news blackout is for 1318 only. After that there may be some funky stuff going on in the saves (like Matthias in Timbucktu), so people probably should not post about it unless their character would know or TC has approved it. But the "do not load the save" instruction is for 1318 - the present turn - only[1].

[1]Now that Overknight has fought his defensive battle we are officially in 1318.
10-11-2007, 18:59
Northnovas

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by econ21

Funny you should mention that... TinCow was just saying that - with all the gamesmastering he will be doing - he will find it hard to update the library. Would anyone like to volunteer to do it for him in 1320 and 1340? If someone could take screenshots of avatars and upload them somewhere, TC or I could edit them into the library as required. There's also a fair bit of other material needs updating - I think Factionheir helped out with that last time.

I will do that just how often are the screen shots taken so many game turns/years? I just don't go through every save but if there is an event to an avatar of every 5 turns an updated photo I can do that and save it for future editing.
10-11-2007, 19:07
Tamur

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Updated the active duty list, I'll be out of commission till Friday night GMT.
10-11-2007, 19:16
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northnovas

I will do that just how often are the screen shots taken so many game turns/years? I just don't go through every save but if there is an event to an avatar of every 5 turns an updated photo I can do that and save it for future editing.

Thanks, Northnovas. :2thumbsup: The library is updated every 10 turns, so we are due an update in 1320 when TinCow takes over and 1340 when the cataclysm is scheduled to end. The tedious part is that characters have some many traits, one screenshot does not catch them - you have to take several of each character, scrolling down the traits, and then edit the first to overlay subsequent ones. However, there are only about 18 avatars.
10-11-2007, 19:18
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northnovas

I will do that just how often are the screen shots taken so many game turns/years? I just don't go through every save but if there is an event to an avatar of every 5 turns an updated photo I can do that and save it for future editing.

It is done every 10 turns (every formal Diet session) and the next one is due in 1320, which is also the start of my phase of the cataclysm. Taking the screenshots is not very time consuming. It is pasting them together to make single images that show all the traits and retinue for each avatar that takes up the most time. Some avatars, like Hans and Arnold, require 5-6 screenshots each just to make a single Bio mugshot.

The info itself will actually be far easier for me to update now. It was a pain before because I had to write it all down on paper or tab out every time I wanted to see where an avatar was located or how old a child was. Since last month I have gotten a new laptop and a wireless network at home, so I can post from that while still keeping the gaming running on my desktop: much faster. If someone could take care of the mugshots, I would be a very happy bovine. :yes:
10-11-2007, 19:59
Northnovas

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I will take the avatar profiles then and have them accessible for downloading when need. :2thumbsup:
10-11-2007, 20:39
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I would just like to point out that next turn (1320) will be the 120th turn of the game. That is exactly the number of turns that WOTS lasted before the Civil War. As such, when the cataclysm is over, KOTR will officially have exceeded WOTS in in-game length, as well as real-time length (which I believe we passed some time ago).
10-11-2007, 21:29
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Wow.

Big round of applause guys. It's been amazing. :applause:
10-11-2007, 21:43
Northnovas

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Wow.

Big round of applause guys. It's been amazing. :applause:

I will second that!:yes:
Not knowing about WOTS which appears to be the benchmark for PBEM this is amazing the strength of this game. It's hard to believe the real time length of the game and we still have steam to go.:tredmil:
I think a lot has to go to the participants, gamemaster(s) and the contributers of the outgame post like the library, history that record the the play of the game.:2thumbsup:
10-11-2007, 21:53
Warluster

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Wow, its been going for a while. How long has this game been going, and how long did WOTS go for?
10-11-2007, 23:32
Ignoramus

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Why are we moving on before the Battle for Normandy is finished. Because it's unfair, becaue Hans is getting closer, and Imperial armies are building up in Brugges, Caen, and Rheims.
10-11-2007, 23:55
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

The Battle of Normandy began at the end of 1316, which means neither side could have moved after the battle anyway. 1318 will not end until the battle is over with, which means the victor will still be able to utilize their full plans for the year. It doesn't really matter what order the rest of the events transpire in. econ21 is simply managing them in the most efficient way he can to keep things moving. At this point, the Battle of Normandy is the slow down, so he's preparing the rest of the game so that it can instantly move on once it is over.
10-12-2007, 00:03
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Nice story, GH. And everyone else too. The entire story thread has been very impressive lately. I think some of those Mead Hall people could learn a thing or two in here...
10-12-2007, 00:23
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ignoramus

Why are we moving on before the Battle for Normandy is finished. Because it's unfair, becaue Hans is getting closer, and Imperial armies are building up in Brugges, Caen, and Rheims.

Caen is yours, Ignoramus, but like the rest of the Reich it recruited nothing last turn (thanks to Theodora :flowers:)[1]. Even at the best of times, Bruges and Rheims just recruit militia and under my stewardship only enough to keep up with desertion really.

I am taking the Battle of Normandy to occur in 1316 (I know Factionheir suggested the move at the end of 1314 but the battle took time to take off). I know you are temporarily in a stasis field, but whoever wins will will get a move in 1318. Unless I hear otherwise, I am assuming if you will tag Bruges then head for Rheims; Warluster will tag Caen.

[1]I lie - Fritz recruited a bucket load of troops thanks to the expedient of sacking his own city. :dizzy2:
10-12-2007, 00:41
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I've made most of the moves for 1318. Only the Swabian battle characters remain.

There are two offensive battles:

Dietrich von Dassel (GeneralHankerchief):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

OOC: You can strike at the rear of the Byzantines besieging Bologna. You have hire some mercenaries, but many ran away when they saw the size of the enemy army. Even your fanatics have deserted you. Their fanaticism apparently left something to be desired. However, half the enemy army is peasant rabble and, if you think it necessary, you could call on the services of the Venice garrison to support you.

King Jan (Privateerkev)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

IC: Two regiments of Byzantine cavalry were on patrol when I took Antioch at night. I would be grateful if you could hunt them down with as many or as few as your men as you judge necessary. Matthias's army should be able to reinforce, but obviously try to minimise his losses. If my army gets involved, please look after me new Arnolds.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1318-2.zip

News embargo remains in place for the rest of this turn.

I think the moves I have made for everyone are uncontroversial EXCEPT Fredericus Erlach (Stuperman). I put him on a merc boat and sent him alone to Ajaccio. There he hired two merc crossbows and is training three regiments of dismounted knights. He will likely be besieged there on and off the cataclysm, so if he does not want to be there - tell me and I'll teleport him back to Italy. However, from Stuperman's in character comments, it sounded like the sort of thing Fredericus would want to do. I put Lothar in charge of BHAG and set him towards Florence, which is under threat. I figured with Lothar and Dietrich in north Italy, Fredericus was not really required.

I will not be able to end turn until the Battle of Normandy is over. I aim to resolve phase 1 on Friday night; phase 2 on Saturday night. But that will require Ignoramus and Warluster providing orders for phase 1 on time and for phase 2 during the interval between Friday and Saturday nights. If the latter is a problem because of limited weekend internet access, let me know and I will adjust the deadline.
10-12-2007, 00:46
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

My fanatics have deserted me???

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

I loved those little guys. They killed the Pope! :cry:

I'll fight in a couple of hours.
10-12-2007, 00:58
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

My fanatics have deserted me??? I loved those little guys. They killed the Pope! :cry:

Sorry, the dice gods are cruel. I've been disbanding XP8 knights and all sorts.
10-12-2007, 01:35
Stuperman

Re: Out of character thread XIV

After reviewing the save (I think I should know what I am up against), I'll stay on Ajaccio.
10-12-2007, 03:03
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Taking the save now.
10-12-2007, 03:10
RoadKill

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Okay econ you have to continue to take control of Lorenz Zirn still, I still cant solve the problem with my MTW 2. Could someone help me out. In "My computer" it knows that the MedTW2_1 (D:) disc is in the DVD-Drive, and even the MTW launcher pop ups, like what the hell, but when I click play the DVD-Drive makes a weird Techno noise and says that I either don't have the disc in or that I have inserted the wrong disc this is starting to fustrate me.
10-12-2007, 03:57
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Battle fought. As OK has probably discovered, a plus side to all of these strange full-stack Byzantine armies is that they're... well... not that good. Chain rout made me feel like I was back in RTW.

1:1 odds, prisoners executed.

https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/...R/kotr_192.jpg

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1318-3.zip

PK, it's all yours.
10-12-2007, 08:14
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

PK, it's all yours.

Got the hand off, save is mine. :beam:
10-12-2007, 08:42
AussieGiant

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

One of the many reasons I find this so awesome. Now if Jan gets a boy soon, that will be icing on the cake. It would be even better if he names him Arnold. ^_^

"fat dumpy stuck up Jan" gets married while "chick magnet Arnold" gets shunned at the alter. I love this game. :beam:

LOL that's pretty funny. :beam:
10-12-2007, 09:06
FactionHeir

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by econ21

Sorry, the dice gods are cruel. I've been disbanding XP8 knights and all sorts.

:gah: are you telling me you disbanded my knights can you shipped from Outremer?
10-12-2007, 09:19
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

AG: Don't worry, I'm sure Arnold will find true love...ur...true rodgering?...ur...true...something? :dizzy2:

Here is the save. Will pm report to Econ. Got an extra dread point but it is buried in Jan's many many layers of chivalry so you won't even notice. ^_^

Have 2 dread points but 13 chivalry. So Jan is simultaneously the "patron saint of knights" while being "cruel and cunning". I love how traits jive together. :beam:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1318-4.zip
10-12-2007, 09:50
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

are you telling me you disbanded my knights can you shipped from Outremer?

No, they teamed up with Bavarian Household Army Otto to make it safely out of Greece (with no navy to protect them, they have had to ride from Thessalonica). But I have separated them so that TinCow can identify them. You will have to liase with him to make sure they continue on to Swabia.

You PMd me to ask about your forces. Hans has a newly recruited Teutonic Knight regiment, but he has also just tagged Staufen which has a town militia, DFK and armoured swordsman. Ruppel has a DFK and three armoured swordsmen. The Prinz's army has been really hard hit by desertion - hence the absence of crossbows and veteran cavalry. Without taking the troops recruited at Innsbruck, you would have no army to speak of.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

As OK has probably discovered, a plus side to all of these strange full-stack Byzantine armies is that they're... well... not that good. Chain rout made me feel like I was back in RTW.

When I gifted settlements to the Byzantines, they created weird monotone garrison armies of the kind of mercs available. I added a balanced half stack to each to try to mask this incongruity. You just beat the Sicilian garrison, which was 10 peasant archers. The Outremer ones are rather scarey - 10 heavy cavalry - so we've been trying to avoid open field battles. I've also created more balanced armies that should provide more of a challenge.

One thing I can't do is create good generals to lead them, so that might explain the chain routs - along with your dread.
10-12-2007, 10:55
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Battle report for Antioch up.
10-12-2007, 11:04
Warluster

Re: Out of character thread XIV

econ, my orders for BfN are sent.

Is this is what was required?
10-12-2007, 11:14
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warluster

econ, my orders for BfN are sent.

Is this is what was required?

That should be sufficient, thanks.

Ideally, I would like you to upload a jpg of where you would like your units to be at the end of phase 1. i.e. download the zip:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/normandy.zip
Take the unit markers in the Word document and paste them onto the jpg of the map, placing them where you envisage them being after the execution of your orders.

It's not essential, but it might help you clarify your orders.

If Ignoramus does not make this afternoon's deadline for orders, I will execute yours and have his react according to his earlier orders/commonsense. The show must go on!
10-12-2007, 11:28
OverKnight

Re: Out of character thread XIV

My own battle report is up as well for 1316
10-12-2007, 13:43
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Battle fought. As OK has probably discovered, a plus side to all of these strange full-stack Byzantine armies is that they're... well... not that good. Chain rout made me feel like I was back in RTW.

True, but you still lost 1/3 of your army. What would happen if you had one of these battles every year with little to no reinforcements? What would happen if you were attacked by two full stacks at once?

MUAHAHAHAHAHA!
http://library.thinkquest.org/3890/EMPEROR3.JPG
10-12-2007, 14:22
AussieGiant

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by TinCow

True, but you still lost 1/3 of your army. What would happen if you had one of these battles every year with little to no reinforcements? What would happen if you were attacked by two full stacks at once?

MUAHAHAHAHAHA!
http://library.thinkquest.org/3890/EMPEROR3.JPG

Good God!!

What haev we gotten ourselves into!!?? :beam:
10-12-2007, 15:05
Tamur

Re: Out of character thread XIV

haha! oh dear.... where was that early submersible again? Fritz would like to hide for the next 22 years, please.
10-12-2007, 15:37
FactionHeir

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Well, you would be attacked constantly and smartly if TC were to use the files I sent him :wink:

Thanks for the update econ. Looks like I'll have to hope that Warluster wins or at least gets most of Hümmel's troops downed. Of course I could go and raise a few extra men from the pop, but we'll see.
One small note though, you meant feudal footknights rather than armoured swordmen right? The latter is an English unit (of course Lyneve might be nice)

As for the balanced armies, I guess Byz aren't the ideal faction to have a balanced army as they don't really have any spearmen worth speaking of to counter heavy cav. They do have nasty HAs though.
10-12-2007, 16:21
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Oh man, thank you so much for posting that Emperor picture. I've been looking for variations of him actually electrocuting someone.
10-12-2007, 19:29
Tamur

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_the_great

you smell worse than anyone I've ever met, and you'd be surprised by the people you meet in the holy land

lol! that was great, I'm glad we could have at least a couple of smelly soldier quotes
10-12-2007, 19:33
Ferret

Re: Out of character thread XIV

lol I had to have some kind of comeback, but even I'm getting annoyed by this army business now, I need some men to help with the story I've been planning, ah well never mind arguing is fun too.
10-12-2007, 20:30
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Battle report for Bologna is up.
10-12-2007, 21:05
RoadKill

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Econ, my MTW 2 is still not working. so you still have control over Lorenz Zirn, I dont want to pm it, so could you just get Lorenz to protect the borders to Budapest till the reinforcements arrive, and if they do join armies.
10-12-2007, 21:49
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob_the_great

lol I had to have some kind of comeback, but even I'm getting annoyed by this army business now, I need some men to help with the story I've been planning, ah well never mind arguing is fun too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tamur

lol! that was great, I'm glad we could have at least a couple of smelly soldier quotes

I assure you, that back in Outremer, Jan is grinning his arse off. :yes:

Of course, that could be because he has been "rodgering" like a coked-out bunny rabbit. :beam:
10-13-2007, 01:15
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

While the Battle for Normandy is still locked in its own little time bubble, I have pressed end turn for 1218. (I can use the console to give the Normandy armies their 1216 moves).

There is at least one, probably two defensive battles.

The one that must be fought first is:

Dietrich von Dassel (GeneralHankerchief):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Bologna has revolted, expelling the garrison. A full strength Byzantine army is bearing down on the hapless garrison - now out in the open, unprotected by the city walls. You have been called to assist and honour requires that you do. However, the odds are 1:2 against you and in truth, it is surely a fight you cannot win. The Byzantine army is a balanced one and the number of professional warriors in your force is pitiful. You would be best advised to try to get out alive with what men you can.

OOC: You can't retreat pre-battle; I am not sure about within the battle if you fight it manually. An auto-resolve should see you escape and with no slur on your name - it is the garrison that is attacked, not you.

After GH has dealt with his battle, it is likely that Northnovas will be attacked. GH please save when you get to the pre-battle screen for NN's battle.

Karl Zirn (Northnovas):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

You are in flight from Bucharest, but small force of Hungarian infantry seeks to intercept you. Your force is mainly cavalry - their's mainly spears. You will have to fight smart, but you should be able to triumph.

NN after your battle, there is a chance that the Hungarians will attack the gold chevroned Feudal knights. If they do, save on the pre-battle screen and upload it for me. It they do not, let the end of turn sequence run its course. Please open all the pop-ups and make a note of any significant contents - screenshots may be good. If offered any marriages or new avatars, accept - apart from any more adoptions for Hans. Thanks.

The save for GH:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1318-5.zip
10-13-2007, 03:44
Northnovas

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I will wait for GH to do his turn. This looks like a morning battle EST. I will make sure I am fueled with the caffine before I start.:coffeenews:
10-13-2007, 04:03
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

A'right, let me have a look as soon as I can tear myself away from EB 1.0.
10-13-2007, 04:17
Stuperman

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I didn't know that EB 1 was out....so much for productivity.
10-13-2007, 04:33
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Autoresolved.

https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/...R/kotr_194.jpg

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1318-6.zip

It's all yours, Northnovas.

Some news for econ:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Not sure if this is part of the news blackout or not, but it's good for the Chancellor's Reports.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

You shouldn't be reading this if you're not a Throne Room mod.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

From what I saw the Byzantines got into some action (read: bloodied) against the Turks north of Antioch, the Danes are periously close to Hamburg, and Thorn is besieged for the 79,483rd time.

-edit- I just DL'd it as a spur-of-the-moment thing; I hadn't touched any of the prior versions. But I knew about all the hype and I saw that 1.0 was released, so I thought I'd give it a shot.

Not disappointed one bit. :yes:
10-13-2007, 10:32
FactionHeir

Re: Out of character thread XIV

You should fight the battle, not autoresolve it. Autoresolve is cheap as it can never get your avatar killed unless you only attack/defend with your avatar :grin:
10-13-2007, 10:36
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I encouraged GH to autoresolve. I think it was a battle that he could not win, although you are welcome to give it a spin and see how it goes when fought manually.
10-13-2007, 10:42
FactionHeir

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I'm not allowed to load up the save though.
Still, I guess it depends on whether GH had any cavalry and the map.
10-13-2007, 11:01
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

If any one can help me fill in some of the battle statistics table, it would be appreciated:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=286

Specifically, Stig, Ignoramus, Tamur, Dutch_guy and Cecil all have fought battles that I have no numbers for.
10-13-2007, 11:20
OverKnight

Re: Out of character thread XIV

How close are we to a report on 1318? Due to the blackout I'm more curious than usual. I'm also surprised, and a little disappointed, that the Byzzies didn't want to have another go at Matthias.
10-13-2007, 11:43
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by OverKnight

How close are we to a report on 1318? Due to the blackout I'm more curious than usual.

I am aiming for tonight sometime. Northnovas has to fight his battle. I want to resolve the stop-start Battle of Normandy. Then there is the vexed question of who commands the Saxon Household Army to sort out. I would like to clear up this stuff to clear the stage for TinCow's takeover to begin with a bang.

Quote:

I'm also surprised, and a little disappointed, that the Byzzies didn't want to have another go at Matthias.

I think may be one improvement of the strategic AI over previous TWs. I've found the M2TW AI is much less keen to through itself into a bridge assault. That said, if all the Byzantine armies north of you did through themselves over the bridge, you would be doomed (I don't want to spoil the blackout, but there seemed to be a lot of them.)
10-13-2007, 11:44
Northnovas

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I have the save and will continue. If ther are no other defensive battle will finish the turn and take the screen shots for the opening turn.
10-13-2007, 12:08
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by econ21

Then there is the vexed question of who commands the Saxon Household Army to sort out.

I will say that the Franconian thread has been quite lively and made for some great reading. Nice to see some drama in there that Jan had nothing to do with for a change. :2thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by econ21

I think may be one improvement of the strategic AI over previous TWs. I've found the M2TW AI is much less keen to through itself into a bridge assault. That said, if all the Byzantine armies north of you did through themselves over the bridge, you would be doomed (I don't want to spoil the blackout, but there seemed to be a lot of them.)

I have found, that if you have a unit that can deploy stakes, and arty, that you can hold a bridge pretty much indefinitely. Unless the enemy are Timurids due to the ridiculous long range of their "Arnolds". In my SP games, I am always England and I have soaked up and destroyed a full Mongol horde (3 waves consolidated at once) in one turn. Once you pop their arty with counter-battery fire, they just march their horseys in a neat single file row right up to the Mongol shish-kebab that you set up.

Of course, I always play on E/E because I mainly play for the campaign experience. :beam:
10-13-2007, 12:55
Northnovas

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Karl's first European battle wasn't much:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/...deployment.jpg

The results:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/...8b-victory.jpg
https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/...288-4stats.jpg

There is another defensive battle for 1318. Some Hungarians came out of Sofia and attacked Karolinger's Army.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/...sivebattle.jpg

Here's the save ready to go:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1318-7.zip

Good Luck WH!
10-13-2007, 13:52
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I had no cavalry and about half the total force was militia.

After ARing I did manually fight myself and got everyone killed. :hide:
10-13-2007, 15:05
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I've resolved the battle of Normandy. Neither side pressed the attack, so it was an inconclusive draw.

Both sides will head back to their Citadels (under the cataclysm, as I understand it, captains can't move so if people want reinforcements, they will have to pick them up).
10-13-2007, 15:09
FactionHeir

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Since they are entrenched in their positions, moving off would result in some losses, right?

Time to bring on the artillery :grin:
10-13-2007, 15:16
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Since they are entrenched in their positions, moving off would result in some losses, right?

Well, I think it would be easy to break under cover of darkness. It was a bit of Mexican stand-off and neither side really seemed to want to press the matter.

But I will roll for attrition when I get the save back from Warmaster_Horus. Everyone else has already endured their roll for 1318 - I assume desertion will stop when TinCow takes over. As GH has found out, we will need the men. :scared:

BTW for Warmaster_Horus's battle, I'm going to apply a 24 hour deadline from the time of Northnovas's post and then autoresolve if necessary.
10-13-2007, 15:20
FactionHeir

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Well, you can continue desertion and once the civil war is over, have the men come back using create_unit (or somesuch) which also allows to control the amount of experience and weapon/armor upgrades. Just make a note of the units you disband.

IMO the battle should have continued reading the last post in that thread as Warluster was actively harassing using his xbows still while Hümmel was just sitting around.

If you insist on breaking it off though, I would suggest to have Warluster pursue Hümmel and besiege Caen rather than withdraw all the way to Staufen. Too many rebels in the way and Hans is moving towards Caen in a way anyway (will tag settlements along the way though)
10-13-2007, 15:23
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I think there was an urge to get the game moving again. Most of us are sitting in our foxholes waiting for all hell to break loose soon. The Normandy battle, while cool, was kind of just sitting there.

We've jacked up the tension and suspense to an insanely high level and then we make everyone wait. o_O

I for one am looking forward to getting this ball rolling again. :yes:
10-13-2007, 15:25
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Desertion and rioting will stop once I take over, but they will resume if avatars do thing which would logically create them. We're going to need all the help we can get.
10-13-2007, 15:30
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

If you insist on breaking it off though, I would suggest to have Warluster pursue Hümmel and besiege Caen rather than withdraw all the way to Staufen. Too many rebels in the way and Hans is moving towards Caen in a way anyway (will tag settlements along the way though)

I'm going to move them one turn back - a teleport, representing 1318 move - at the start of 1320 along their lines of communication. From their orders, I think they were too evenly matched for either to want to press things. Hummel actually wanted to press on to Bruges, but von Salza was blocking that. Von Salza pressing on to Caen would not be smart as Hummel has fresh troops being trained there and will outnumbered him. I know it may suit Hans if they mutually self destruct, but I'm giving them a time out to resupply and get more men. If they want to go back at it in 1320, they can.
10-13-2007, 15:35
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by Privateerkev

We've jacked up the tension and suspense to an insanely high level and then we make everyone wait.

Right now, it's the computer making us wait. I am not sure we had a single defensive battle under my stewardship and now it comes to an end, we have three! The AI is toying with us. :laugh4:
10-13-2007, 15:57
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

not a decisive battle at all. lol

they should fight 'er multiplayer.
10-13-2007, 16:35
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

FH, I hope you made some notes reading the Normandy thread. :wink:
10-13-2007, 16:42
StoneCold

Re: Out of character thread XIV

HAHA, GH you going to true ur hand at regicide too? OR should that be dukicide? :P
10-13-2007, 16:44
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

go for it GH lol. hans hates peter
10-13-2007, 17:11
FactionHeir

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by econ21

I'm going to move them one turn back - a teleport, representing 1318 move - at the start of 1320 along their lines of communication. From their orders, I think they were too evenly matched for either to want to press things. Hummel actually wanted to press on to Bruges, but von Salza was blocking that. Von Salza pressing on to Caen would not be smart as Hummel has fresh troops being trained there and will outnumbered him. I know it may suit Hans if they mutually self destruct, but I'm giving them a time out to resupply and get more men. If they want to go back at it in 1320, they can.

How come Hümmel can afford training troops and not suffer desertion at all while Hans' troops desert left and right and doesn't have any funds to recruit troops?
Hans doesn't want them to mutually self-destruct, but wants the rebellion to end within the next year so he can go and reclaim all those rebel towns. Have to wonder why towns actually rebelled even though Hümmel only really holds Metz and Caen while Hans sent out specific orders to the NPC governors.

GH: Not quite sure what you mean, except that Ignoramus would have let you send orders in his stead.
10-13-2007, 17:34
TinCow

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

How come Hümmel can afford training troops and not suffer desertion at all while Hans' troops desert left and right and doesn't have any funds to recruit troops?
Hans doesn't want them to mutually self-destruct, but wants the rebellion to end within the next year so he can go and reclaim all those rebel towns. Have to wonder why towns actually rebelled even though Hümmel only really holds Metz and Caen while Hans sent out specific orders to the NPC governors.

He has no chance at all of being able to end the rebellion within one year now that the Battle of Normandy is over.

Don't worry about desertion, though. Like I said, it's over with and you won't suffer any more unless you cause it through your own actions. Hans has relatively little military power at the moment, but he can quickly and easily assemble a great deal if he does the right things. In addition, Staufen is safe from foreign attack for the time being, while Caen is right on the front lines with France. Wolfgang will have to manage to hold off the French just to survive, let alone expand.
10-13-2007, 17:42
Warmaster Horus

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I'm solving my v1.3 problems right now, so you can expect me taking the save in the next hour.
10-13-2007, 18:23
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by econ21

Right now, it's the computer making us wait. I am not sure we had a single defensive battle under my stewardship and now it comes to an end, we have three! The AI is toying with us. :laugh4:

Then the ai must die. :D

but seriously, I guess I just am getting antsy in general. It's like running downstairs on christmas morning and having your parents tell you that you have to run an errand before you open presents. anyone else feeling that way? The buildup has been absolutely awesome. The stories and role playing that it has been generating have been top-notch. But it has made me all on-the-edge-of-my-seat with anticipation at the next step. I'll endeavor to not let my excitement get too naggy. ^_^

I'll go do something else today. That will help take my mind off of it. :2thumbsup:
10-13-2007, 18:32
GeneralHankerchief

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Play EB. :laugh4:
10-13-2007, 18:36
econ21

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by FactionHeir

How come Hümmel can afford training troops and not suffer desertion at all while Hans' troops desert left and right and doesn't have any funds to recruit troops?

In 1318, Hummel trained troops in Caen and Hans did in Staufen; in fact, every castle in the Reich maxed out recruitment. In 1316, no one trained anything due to the heist (except Fritz went on a spending spree after sacking Stettin). The slow resolution of the battle of Normandy immunised the two parties from desertion, but that benefits loyalists and rebels equally.

Quote:

Hans doesn't want them to mutually self-destruct, but wants the rebellion to end within the next year so he can go and reclaim all those rebel towns.

I have a feeling that TinCow's time may be more about losing settlements than reclaiming them. But I don't know how evil he is going to be.

Quote:

Have to wonder why towns actually rebelled even though Hümmel only really holds Metz and Caen while Hans sent out specific orders to the NPC governors.

In character, the towns revolted against both Hummel and Hans.

Out of character, Swabia has suffered the most from Acre being the capital. But I think things may balance out as Swabia has only one external enemy (France) whereas other Houses face multiple opponents: Franconia vs Danes, Poles & Russians; Austria vs Venetians, Hungarians and Byzantines; Bavaria vs Sicilians and Byzantines; Outremer vs Byzantines, Egyptians and Papists.
10-13-2007, 18:38
Warmaster Horus

Re: Out of character thread XIV

I've got the save. Expect an update in less than half an hour.
10-13-2007, 18:39
gibsonsg91921

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Yeah, it's time for Franconia to kick some a.
10-13-2007, 18:47
Privateerkev

Re: Out of character thread XIV

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Play EB. :laugh4:

It looks interesting but I have my general hesitancy about mods to contend with. I almost picked up "TW Eras" yesterday though. It's down to about 30 bucks. (remember I still don't own RTW) Got Medal of Honor: Pacific Assault instead because that is down to 10 bucks. :2thumbsup:

But instead of playing video games, I'm going to go to my gf's parents so they can celebrate our b-days. (She is the day after me) So, try not to let the whole Reich burn down until I get back tonight. ~;)
10-13-2007, 19:49
Warmaster Horus

Re: Out of character thread XIV

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1320.rar

Battle fought and won. No other battles. Expect battle results in a couple of hours.

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