Out of character thread XVI

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Yes, but for Jan it was an accident. For me, I wanted my avatar to have an army. That and I wanted to spark something fun and interesting for the game. :2thumbsup:

For Jan though, everything that resulted was quite a surprise. If he lived through Bern, he'd feel pretty bad about everything right now. :shame:

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You certainly succeeded in that goal! :yes:

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Originally Posted by Zim

You certainly succeeded in that goal! :yes:

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Well, I was just the catalyst. OOC, I am blaming TC for everything. ;)

How dare TC tempt me with a nice shiny new army!!!

:laugh4:

Here is a "slightly" exaggerated version of the conversation between TC and I.

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TC: If you put out a call against Dassel for religious reasons, I will spawn Jan a full army but; it will destroy the game, everyone will hate you both IC and OOC, I will kill your character, and I will come over to your apartment and eat your cat.

PK: a full army? WhooHoo!!!! :2thumbsup:

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Ooh! Ooh!, Tincow, can I get a full army, destroy the game, and have everyone hate me? Please?
I'll pass on the whole dying character thing, but you're welcome to eat the cat. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Zim

but you're welcome to eat the cat.

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Be sure to provide ketchup...

I blame econ for telling me how Dassel could manage to escape in turn 5. If it weren't for that, I would have withdrawn south and waited for Jan.

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Actually, there is some truth in it :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

I blame econ for telling me how Dassel could manage to escape in turn 5. If it weren't for that, I would have withdrawn south and waited for Jan.

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:clown:

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Actually, there is some truth in it :sweatdrop:

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I'm actually quite amused that all three avatar deaths were a result of decisions each avatar made. It really does fit the fables that GH and Econ wrote at the end of the battle.

1.) Jan could have waited before hitting the square. But I assumed GH would come back into the city and I knew my army could not survive a grinding battle for the square. So I had to get there first, beat his reserve forces (which Jan did not know what they consisted of), and try to block the roads.

2.) Hans could have withdrawn south to join with Jan's cavalry which he could see way off in the southwest corner in the deployment zone. But he didn't want Dassel to escape and he wanted to make things easier for Jan's forces.

3.) Dassel could have spared Hans before surrendering. Such a move would have guaranteed his survival if captured. But he wanted some sort of victory out of this and wanted revenge on Hans for getting his old friend, Jens Hummel, killed in battle.

So, the more I think about it, the more I really like how the battle played out. :yes:

I think Jan should have known about the forces in the square after the battle feedbacks. The map clearly showed that only Dietrich's cavalry had not been seen yet, so they had to be in the square (in addition to the side note by econ in the OOC thread).

While obviously we all are a tiny bit bitter, its interesting how each of us actively got our characters killed based on the level of feedback that we received.

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I think Jan should have known about the forces in the square after the battle feedbacks. The map clearly showed that only Dietrich's cavalry had not been seen yet, so they had to be in the square (in addition to the side note by econ in the OOC thread).

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While it was simple for me to do a process of elimination based off of the army list in the Bern thread, I could not find a way to justify how Jan could know that IC. So, not wanting to meta-game, I played it as Jan not knowing it. As far as Jan knew, it could have been a single half regiment of peasants. So he rolled the dice and the rest, as they say, is history...

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While obviously we all are a tiny bit bitter, its interesting how each of us actively got our characters killed based on the level of feedback that we received.

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I'm not bitter at all. I went into the battle fully accepting the possibility of avatar death. You roll the dice and take your chances. :yes:

I wanted to have fun and a lot of the fun things in this game involve putting your avatar into risky situations. But to me, it was all worth it. Jan was fun to play and he went out with a bang. :2thumbsup:

I just wonder how it would have turned out if the cavalry had followed their final orders. Jan would have been countercharged and, I think, smashed. Wonder if that would have caused a rout.

TBH, Cavalry charges in the streets tend to be very ineffective. They would however have better chances at striking at Jan's BG and isolating him from the rest of his BG there. However, charging of out the square would have made them vulnerable to routing and the infantry would have gotten to them faster.

In a way, your cavalry disobeying got Jan killed :grin:

Oh, and I always thought you wanted the cav to exit Bern and hit Hans' rear btw. That is what I would have done anyway.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I just wonder how it would have turned out if the cavalry had followed their final orders. Jan would have been countercharged and, I think, smashed. Wonder if that would have caused a rout.

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GH,

Is best not to go there. Three whole turns of inactivity from you cavalry is a game turner in any language.


You would have overwhelmed Hans and been able to more than likely hold off Jans cavalry also. I'd say you would have come out with a victory and a small but effective force at the end.

three one's, in a row on the same division...bloody hell. :oops:

I'm assuming what FH thought and you would have ordered them into the field to have them help you attack Hans.

TBH, I thought I had you with my infantry. The plan was to give Jan as much hell as possible while I finished up with you and then marched into the city to deal with his inferior army.

I saw an opportunity with Jan all alone at the gatehouse and wanted to take advantage of it.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

TBH, I thought I had you with my infantry. The plan was to give Jan as much hell as possible while I finished up with you and then marched into the city to deal with his inferior army.

I saw an opportunity with Jan all alone at the gatehouse and wanted to take advantage of it.

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I had no idea at the time how close I came to Jan getting charged. I just didn't think of it. I thought my Great Cross could hold the door. I wanted the rest of the army up on the walls because I thought the big battle would be fought up there. Dassel sallying out really threw me.

This is what I loved about the battle. I had to make definite decisions with incomplete knowledge of the situation and limited communications with Jan's ally. It made things really exciting and nail-biting. :yes:

"no battle plan survives first contact with the enemy"

One of the decisive actions at Bern actually occurred on the first turn of the cataclysm. If Friedrich Karolinger had kidnapped Hans' double gold Feudal Knights, they would never have reached the city. That would have significantly decreased the power of the charge into the flank of the low-level Lutheran mob on turn 4, probably preventing them from being routed off the field. They also would not have been available to help Hans kill off Hugo and carve through the Zweihanders and Forlorn Hope.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

One of the decisive actions at Bern actually occurred on the first turn of the cataclysm. If Friedrich Karolinger had kidnapped Hans' double gold Feudal Knights, they would never have reached the city. That would have significantly decreased the power of the charge into the flank of the low-level Lutheran mob on turn 4, probably preventing them from being routed off the field. They also would not have been available to help Hans kill off Hugo and carve through the Zweihanders and Forlorn Hope.

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Another game altering variable was simply the turns that Jan and Hugo got on the field. If Jan was one earlier than he was, and Hugo one later than he was, it would have gone different. If Hugo was one earlier than he was, and Jan one later than he was, it would have gone different.

That part was nail biting too. I wanted in the battle so bad the anticipation was palpable. I knew OOC things were going on and had some IC hints as well. The random reserve army mechanic really tossed the whole battle into the air. :yes:

*in a very thick japanese english accent*

Ahhh grasshoppers...so many things...so 'w'ittle time to 'w'earn.

We must sink more on this in our next'a wesson!!

Now!! Brack to wrok!!

Eisenhower Quote
Plans are nothing; planning is everything.

I see we have a debriefing go on!

"What if, how come, I thought... "

It's good to get this out to prevent post traumatic stress. We don't want to loose any good commanders.

It's interesting to see that the communications are being questioned. It always comes down to the communications and to see what other people perceived in the heat of battle. Of course no two see the same thing and to even read the same feedback and take a course of action different then the other person because of experience, their own perception and their current situation.

What is really neat is the final results and how each individual action brought a unique set of consequences to the avatars involved.

I'm actually glad that GH did exactly what I thought he would do every single turn except the last one (I had thought he would run from the field rather than fight, although I had considered the possibility of him staying to fight as the main possibility)

As PK said, the turns when people entered the field were crucial. If PK had entered one turn earlier, I doubt any loyalists would have died in battle. If he had entered a turn later, Dassel would have escaped.

Regarding the feudal knights, I think it would have been difficult (prove me wrong) to kidnap them. Even if they had been, I think TC would have given me an extra unit pre-battle: I only received 1 DFK pre Bern because I had 19 units in my stack already.

I don't remember what the odds I had drawn up were anymore, but I do remember that I was going to give Karolinger a die roll to succeed in getting them.

Also, 1 additional raw DFK is far less useful than a full double gold unit of knights charging into a flank.

Fair enough. The main thing about the battle was that my units got +6xp but quite a few already had experience maxed, so overall, Dietrich benefitted from major stat boosts in comparison. Had I gotten a low xp unit, it wouldn't have fared much worse than a double gold: Double gold is 8 xp, normal unit would be 6xp.

Not planning to argue over who is right though as there is no issue to be arguing about :)

Personally I found it fascinating that both sides were so determined to force the issue as to make the siege become effectively a field battle. Given that even limited communication was possible between the city and Hugo, it appeared to me that Hans was walking the majority of his forces directly into a crushing pincer (And I gather that if the cavalry had obeyed orders things might have gone that way?). As it turned out, though, Dassel's lack of spearmen (And failed orders) was the decisive factor, even moreso than the poor quality and performance of Hugo's men. As usual in MTWII cavalry carries the day, even in a siege! I can't help imagining, however, what those swordsmen would've done to Jan's attack on the walls in the south.

...and if any of that seems like criticism, it is certainly not intended that way. I'm in no position make meaningful second guesses. :embarassed:

:egypt:

NOTE: As of 1pm EST today, I have not received orders for the following people:

Elberhard (econ21) - Orders received
Tancred von Tyrolia (Dutch_guy) - Orders received
Friedrich Karolinger (Warmaster Horus)
Dieter von Kassel (Mini Econ) - Orders received

If any of the above players want to fight battles in 1332, I must receive your orders by 8pm EST tonight. I suspect that the only person this really applies to is Tancred von Tyrolia (Dutch_guy), but the others are listed just to make sure. Orders that do not involve battles can be submitted as late as this Sunday. I am aiming to start 1334 on Monday, with a slim chance of Sunday night.

Had the cavalry obeyed orders for the first time, I think Hugo's army wouldn't have been gutted during the sally and Hans's would've been mauled from both sides.

Had the cavalry obeyed orders for the second turn, then we might have had the same events as the following turn, minus Jan's cavalry charging. Depending on how much infantry I had left I would have either ordered a (successful) withdrawal or sent my men back into the city for unknown results.

For the 3rd time, well, considering where I ordered them it wouldn't have made much of an overall difference. Jan might have just died earlier and Bern wouldn't have fallen so easy, but Dietrich (and Hans) would still have died.

Ah well.

I'm still trying to figure out how han's BG took out all 4 of Hugo's cavalry untis and suffered so few causalties, overall my, er, Hugo's men didn't do especially well.

p.s. and I never got your smoke signals GH

Actually it wasn't just my BG.

My BG, both my other cavalry, my infantry AND the archers behind your cavalry took out your cavalry, losing a DFK, my archers, half a AS and half my BG.

That makes more sense. After all this is Medieval II, not Rome.

*ba-doom tish*

Battles Pending for 1332:

All of the following battles must be fought by the end of Sunday, November 25th. I will still accept non-battle related orders until then. However, I will not accept any changes to orders that have already been submitted that appear to me to be reactions to moves that have been made in the new save. That would be tantamount to peeking at other peoples' orders and I will not allow it.

Also, please be aware that this current save game does not represent all the orders that have been submitted. I have only made the changes necessary to allow people to fight battles against the AI. All other changes will be done after the battles are completed.

Note to all players fighting battles: If you have depleted units, feel free to merge them in any way you want, before and/or after your battle(s).

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1332-3.zip

Ehrhart Ruppel (FactionHeir):

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You have traveled to Bern and taken command of the combined Loyalist and Catholic forces there. The army is pleased to have a leader once again and they eagerly await your orders. They stand ready to pacify Bern.

Note: I have already added the Small Church to the build queue, you do not need to do it. If you want to recruit any units from Bern at the end of the year with your new wealth, please let me know when you post your results.

Fritz von Kastilien (Ramses II CP):

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You have defeated the Danes, retaken Stettin, and sacked the city. You can continue on and fight any of the armies around and north of Magdeburg, if you wish. There are three full stack Danish armies, 1 full stack Polish army, and 1 half stack Polish army. You may attack any of them, all of them, or none of them, depending on your wishes. You may attack them in any order you wish and at any time you wish (i.e. you can wait until after Dieter Bresch makes his attacks if you want). When you are done, you can return to Stettin. If you run out of movement points while doing this, use the following console command as often as you would like:

character_reset "Fritz von_Kastilien"

Dieter Bresch (Elite Ferret):

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You have repelled the Polish assault on your citadel. It is now time to pacify the province and counterattack. There are three full stack Danish armies, 1 full stack Polish army, 1 half stack Polish army, and 1 rebel stack (representing the religious warfare). You may attack any of them, all of them, or none of them, depending on your wishes. You may attack them in any order you wish and at any time you wish. When you are done, you can return to Magdeburg. It would probably be best if you attacked the rebel army first. It must be destroyed this turn to prevent more damage to the citadel next year. Tancred von Tyrolia has offered to aid you in your attacks. You may use any of the units in his stack EXCEPT Tancred's bodyguards. You can pick them up immediately, or at any point during your fighting. For example, they may be good replacements for men lost in your first battle. If you run out of movement points while doing this, use the following console command as often as you would like:

character_reset "Dieter Bresch"

Karl Zirn (Northnovas):

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Your army stands ready to attack the Hungarian army that is pressing on Zagreb. Defeat them and protect your County.

Lorenz Zirn (Roadkill - BATTLE TO BE FOUGHT BY NORTHNOVAS):

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You sent a great deal of money to Ragusa and Arnold has recruited a powerful force for you. It consists of three regiments of DFKs, three regiments of Armoured Sergeants, and a regiment of Pavise Crossbowmen. All are outfitted with the best weapons and armor that the smiths of Ragusa can manufacture. Combined with the garrison of Vienna, you now control a strong host. However, this has taken a great deal of time and it is very late in the year. The only action you can take this year is to pacify the province. Do so immediately to prevent any further damage to Vienna.

Matthias Steffen (OverKnight):

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The Crusaders who have refused to leave Outremer have been brought to join your army at the Iron Bridge. Your force is once again a power to be reckoned with. There is a band of rebels just north of the bridge. They are not blocking any trade that is important to you, but you may eliminate them if you wish. You may also strike at any Byzantine army that is within range, if you so desire.

I have a question. Did Jan die?

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Originally Posted by RoadKill

I have a question. Did Jan die?

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Yep, along with Hans and Dietrich.

Taking the save

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Originally Posted by Zim

Yep, along with Hans and Dietrich.

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Wow how did that happen.

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Originally Posted by RoadKill

Wow how did that happen.

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They all died in the ill fated Battle of Bern, when Jan and Hans led armies against Dietrich von Dassel.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=95046

haha good to have you back roadkill. things are looking up for the principality of swabia, or as peter has dubbed them, the duchy of flanders

Battle fought and won. Sending details to TC.
Save: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1332-4.zip

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Ehrhart has his own battle marker now :grin:

Nice one, ~500 kills out of one company of crossbow militia! I don't think I've ever had a battle where 'militia' anything killed half so many.

:egypt:

Ramses II CP,

FactionHeir is a freak of nature when playing tactical battles.

If he is given even two regiments of cavalry he will usually be able to annihilate nearly twice his number.

He had four or five top line cavalry units here...he could have taken on one of those gold chevron stacks and won in my opinion.

Oh but cavalry I understand, I think we can all do a trick or two there; this is MTWII after all. I admit I usually play on medium unit sizes, but even in battles where the enemy was climbing that hill near Damascus I've never had militia kill like that. I have to confess I always preferred archers to crossbowmen too, before, and I can see from the screenshots kinda what his layout was... I think I learned something today, s'all I'm saying. :laugh4:

:egypt:

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Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

Oh but cavalry I understand, I think we can all do a trick or two there; this is MTWII after all. I admit I usually play on medium unit sizes, but even in battles where the enemy was climbing that hill near Damascus I've never had militia kill like that. I have to confess I always preferred archers to crossbowmen too, before, and I can see from the screenshots kinda what his layout was... I think I learned something today, s'all I'm saying. :laugh4:

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I always read FH's battle reports for that very reason...he's a freak and you can learn stuff from freaky people.

Just wait until you realise the level of destruction he can accomplish with cavalry...and it's beyond what you can think of. :beam:

i believe he killed 700 with 2 generals bodyguards

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

i believe he killed 700 with 2 generals bodyguards

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Does that fit in with what you expected Ramses? :beam:

I expect that's not even close to his record.

Keep in mind when I say "freaky" it is with a great deal of respect.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

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TC, did you move Arnold out of Ragusa to block the bloody sword wiedling merchants? I would expect the AI Venetian's to have a go that's all.

No. Like I said, only made the moves necessary for the battles that need to be fought right now. I will do the rest of the moves on Sunday after I get home.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

No. Like I said, only made the moves necessary for the battles that need to be fought right now. I will do the rest of the moves on Sunday after I get home.

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Yup...just ignore me. I'm reading but not understanding.

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

Yup...just ignore me. I'm reading but not understanding.

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I think he's only fulfilled the movement orders for characters being set up for battles this turn. When he comes back from his Thanksgiving vacation trip on Sunday, he'll move the rest of the characters to finish up the turn, presumably including Arnold.

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Originally Posted by Zim

I think he's only fulfilled the movement orders for characters being set up for battles this turn. When he comes back from his Thanksgiving vacation ttip on Sunday, he'll move the rest of the characters to finish up the turn, presumably including Arnold.

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Thanks for the summary Zim...I'm multi tasking like a maniac right now and it effects my comprehension levels :dizzy2:

it's clear now thanks.:2thumbsup:

Just to say, Mini Econ and I are boarding the boats to Europe this turn. Players can send IC PMs this turn and get one reply, but then we will be out of communication until we make landfall.

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Originally Posted by econ21

Just to say, Mini Econ and I are boarding the boats to Europe this turn. Players can send IC PMs this turn and get one reply, but then we will be out of communication until we make landfall.

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What if I send a boat half way to meet you?

Or in fact take one myself and finish the journey with you?

:clown:

i started an article in the wiki regarding the swabian civil war. please add to it - its just a skeleton now and i forget the name of the first battle.

https://forums.totalwar.org/wiki/ind...bian_Civil_War

Peter is not emperor yet and still he behaves as if we were not only that, but chancellor and supreme ruler too :laugh4:

well, einstein ( :laugh4: ), if you remember correctly, elberhard put peter in charge until he returns. until then i can do whatever the @#$%^& i want! plus this is a plan approved by elberhard, so there. mwhahahaa

:clown:

taking the save

Edit: battle fought and uploaded here: finally http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1332-5.rar

province pacified and one Danish army killed, although I released nearly 600 prisoners in exchange for a few Chivalry points :beam:
As well as Dieter gaining two command traits and some chivalry ones his bodyguard has gone from 2 bronze chevrons to 1 gold so I'm pretty chuffed.

screenies:
https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/...tartow1.th.jpg
https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/...nishfu7.th.jpg
https://img131.imageshack.us/img131/...tartay1.th.jpg
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https://img131.imageshack.us/img131/...nersbj7.th.jpg

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

i started an article in the wiki regarding the swabian civil war. please add to it - its just a skeleton now and i forget the name of the first battle.

https://forums.totalwar.org/wiki/ind...bian_Civil_War

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I added the entry for my character. I'm not sure if I can do much more, having just joined and knowing about most of the war merely from reading the history thread. Would anyone object if I took a crack at the Battle of Bern?

go for it, if its a bad one people will edit it. anything is better than nothing

Back for good. Sorry TC, school's been bothersome... I won't miss next orders.

Ok, I added an entry for the Battle of Bern. I'm not sure if its bad, but it is sorely lacking in pre 1330 information. Hopefully it is a decent outline of the battle and its consequences, but I'm sure it will require quite a few changes from more knowledgable players.

save finally uploaded, sorry for the delay.

its cool

nice battle of bern zim!

I have added the entry for the Battle of the Flemish Crossroads. I hope its satisfactory.

I will pick up the last save and fight the two Austrian battles.

Here is the latest save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1332-6.zip

Zagreb

First few minutes was a panic I never seen the AI rush like that but the boys stood their ground. Maybe worth a battle report.

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/...332zagreb1.jpg

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Prisoners were released. Zagreb has some breathing room.

Vienna

A little slow to get started.

https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/...332aVienna.jpg

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https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/...2aVienna91.jpg
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A good day at the office for Lorenzo

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https://i201.photobucket.com/albums/...2aVienna93.jpg

They were Rebels but if RK had his choice they all would have been executed.
Vienna pacified.

Nice NN.

Go Team Austria!!!

Roadkill, well done, and from sitting on the couch no less. *joke*.

Happy thanks giving

or

Grey Cup Weekend

or

World Cup Draw weekend


depending on where you are.

I believe that is all of the 'necessary' battles. There are two more remaining, for Fritz von Kastilien (Ramses II CP) and Matthias Steffen (OverKnight), but they are 'optional' given their submitted orders and the circumstances. If neither of those players have fought battles by the time I get home on Sunday, I will assume that they have chosen not to fight.

I am going to move the game forward on Sunday night, but there may be multiple battles during the AI turn, specifically for Fredericus Erlach (Stuperman), Arnold (AussieGiant), Peter von Kastilien (gibsonsg91921), and Lothar Steffen (me). Hopefully those can be done quickly enough so that I can post the 1334 turn report on Monday night.

FYI

OverKnight will be fighting my battles. I'm not sure how much partying he is doing for Thanksgiving so...

...anyway.

Happy Thanksgiving to all the State side boys.

I still have to take a look at the save. If I fight the battle it'll be on saturday.

Well, I chose to wait and see what Dieter did, and now I'm in and out of town visiting family with less than reliable 'net connections (How do they survive?!?!). Definitely don't wait for me, I'll fight that Danish stack to the west of Stettin if I find some time, but if not no big deal. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

Okay, it's only midnight, if I've got time to post I should fight that battle. Taking the save.

Done:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1332-7.zip

So I got my cavalry mauled at Stettin and decided I would only use it for routers here. All the way at the end of the battle, everything is routing except two companies of War Clerics, and there's Fritz chasing right in the middle of a sea of fleeing red. I look away for a sec, and then I hear the 'Charrrrge!' horn. Look back, and who should be charging through their own routers but two companies of War Clerics headed right for Fritz.

I admit I experienced a moment of combined horror and awe. That'd be a pretty funny way to die.

Naturally, though, they routed on contact with his guard. Ribaults+dread vs a captain led stack are almost an exploit.

:egypt:

Screenshots:

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Good job Ramses.

Good to see there are still some sphincter tightening moments...otherwise it would be boring.

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Thank you, Northvanus, battle well fought. And yes I would have executed every single one of them. :whip:

I've done some work on the Swabian Civil War wiki. It would be really great if we could complete the article.

It looks great, GH. Particularly the changes you made to the Battle of Bern entry. At this rate the article should be complete soon.

I wouldn't expect the Battle of Bern to be completely done for awhile. Much of the underlying politics concerns avatars that are still alive. But we can fill in those gaps later when enough time has passed. :D

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I wouldn't expect the Battle of Bern to be completely done for awhile. Much of the underlying politics concerns avatars that are still alive. But we can fill in those gaps later when enough time has passed. :D

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True, we may soon have a "Battle of Bern: Political Consequences" section longer than the description of the battle itself. :yes:

At the rate turns go in KOTR, it could take weeks before the Cataclysm ends, and weeks more before all of the rebellions and other changes from it are resolved by the diet. :clown:

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True, we may soon have a "Battle of Bern: Political Consequences" section longer than the description of the battle itself. :yes:

At the rate turns go in KOTR, it could take weeks before the Cataclysm ends, and weeks more before all of the rebellions and other changes from it are resolved by the diet. :clown:

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I was only talking about "Battle of Bern: Political Causes". The consequences will probably not be fully known for quite some time. :yes:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I was only talking about "Battle of Bern: Political Causes". The consequences will probably not be fully known for quite some time. :yes:

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Doh! :clown:

I think I'll retract my last couple of posts and just say "Yay! The article is looking more complete!".

Just a quick note to say I won't be fighting Matt's optional battle this year. I'm still pretty wrecked from the Holiday and travel and I don't want to fight tired.

Ok, I have advanced the game to the AI turn. I have autoresolved through the pending battles and the game consistently pops up only two for me:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1332-9.zip

Arnold (AussieGiant - Battle to be fought by OverKnight)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You took up a blocking position in the mountains to prevent the Venetians from besieging Ragusa. They are attempting to force the pass. Stop them or Ragusa will soon be surrounded.

This battle will be followed by one for Lothar Steffen, which I will (of course) fight. At least on my machine, Frankfurt and Genoa did not get assaulted when I clicked through via autoresolve. I assume this will hold true. If it does not, I will let you know and post the additional battles when they pop up.

Please do me a favor and DO NOT DOWNLOAD THE SAVE IF YOU ARE NOT FIGHTING A BATTLE. There are some changes that might raise a few eyebrows and I would like it if they could be introduced with my Cataclysm thread explanation showing why they happened. I still expect the 1334 turn report to be posted tomorrow evening, so I do not think that this is a major burden. If you simply cannot resist, please at least keep quiet about anything you see and do not send me PMs about it.

Since I'm one of those people who just can't resist fighting every interesting looking battle... I promise I'll resist in this case. I know the pain of a GM's hard work being spoiled and I won't contribute. :beam:

:egypt:

ooo im excited

yet surprised petey isnt fighting? thats weird. i guess i better sally soon if i want to not die

Let me get some coffee in me, and I'll fight Arnold's battle.