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How? The mafia can still be killed by a vig, so you still have the same probability of being killed as a townie. So you are not less likely to be guilty.Quote:
btw, being vig killed makes me less likely to be guilty, not more.
Plus the vig sounded very... determined to save the town, hardly an example of a pure evil serial killer.
Haven't got a clue who to vote for.. there seem to be a few candidates without much to go on... and then everyone else who hasn't really attracted much suspicion and possibly deserves some...
BTW sasaki encouraging lynching of first person to do 3 line vote is a good way to scare people off voting
The game is still going.Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin
I was suggesting the opposite. We wouldn't want people posting just to say " I dunno" would we...Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Vote: Seamus
I didn't have a case against either TevashSzat or Atpg, but picked Atpg, after Tevash claimed detective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Not long after placing my vote (on Atpg), I was contacted by Atpg via PM, asking me to reconsider, and not to dismiss his case.
I decided to give him a chance to defend himself, and changed vote. If changing my vote would put TevashSzat in the lead, I wouldn't have done so. A tie however can be simply overturned by another vote.
I stayed online to keep tab on the thread...Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Simply put, I wasn't very convinced that TS would be a better lynch that round, and was ready to change my vote back the instant Atpg wasn't the top/tied for lynch candidate
In this I agree with Shlin, Kojiro-san. Your death -- if we presume a Vig of sorts -- neither clears you of suspicion nor signals your guilt. I have tentatively assigned you townie status thus far because I have seen you doing what seems to be a fairly normal job for you of hammering suspects. You're correct about 'khaan's PM to me. The fact that I knew it was a fishing expedition prompted my response. Even if I weren't a townie, I suspect I'd have responded about the same regardless of what role I had. I did report all the PM stuff for everyone's review, and 'khaan can confirm I haven't altered anything.
Right now, I have concerns with Taka -- for a virtual lack of activity which, as I and others note, is not pro-town in its effect.
I also have concerns with Beefy. He is always around, always in tune with the discussion, and has posted more in this one thread than I think he has in both Capos combined. This is Beefy with 83 posts -- only about 12% behind Sasaki. Folks, this has NOT been his track record. I know he's been more active in mafia this last 6 months, but that's 2.76 ppp!
Of the two, I have been more adamant about lurkers for several posts, so for now I'll
Vote: taka
And yet you were convinced that only the Godfather was left even before this most recent write-up:Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
You also seem to be the only person who actually believes anything written in the mafia kill write-ups. This is not something new either:Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
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Originally Posted by shlin28
You are also pretty much the only person who continues to refer to the blatant framing attempts in the nightly write-ups. The rest of us have dismissed them for the WIFOM that they are, but you keep mentioning them:Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
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Originally Posted by shlin28
After re-reading many of your posts, I've noticed that you have a distinct tendency of not committing yourself on any attack against anyone. The only place I've seen you take any kind of firm stand was against ATPG, but that was just self-defense after he attacked you. You've remained almost entirely non-committal the entire game, yet very active. You post as if you're just having fun watching the chaos that is going on. You also make numerous statements about how you are a townie, even when they are unprompted and completely unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
Let's finish off this post with another appropriate quote from you:
Summary:Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
- Non-committal with any argument, except when personally accused.
- Cites the mafia kill write-ups as evidence multiple times after they have been dismissed by everyone else.
- Refers to own role as "townie" multiple times without prompting.
- Was convinced that both grunts were dead after N5, then claims that he thought that because of something in the N6 write-up.
FoS: shlin28
The above case by Tincow is certainly something to think about. It is certainly odd how he is making such a big deal of 'but I'm townie, honestly' when under very little pressure. Taka would also seem to be a decent choice, lurking, and given the last game I know that he was in (Chicago Soiree) it is possible that he is trying a similar tactic (am aware of potential WIFOM issues. Quintus still seems a little off to me as well.
Will reserve vote until this afternoon. Be back later.
1) The PM to Seamus was after I died.
2) Seamus altered the PM.(No smiley :mellow:)
3(for seamus)- Are there any actions I took in the first lynching round that would make you inclined to believe somewhere along the lines of the reasoning for which you would theoretically kill me so early?
To be fair, I died reasonably early on both capo. And speed of discussion on Capo was way too fast for me.. Also I had high school when Capo took place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
As my high school finished, the only hobby I have besides studying is the Org, few other sites mainly sports news and ORG. This explains the sudden boost of my post. Also, I was asked to post more to avoid ATPG double posting.
I cannot and will not vote for taka just yet as a part of our mutual trust treaty. Him being a lurker is soo suspecious but I have taka guilt sensor and when he is guilty I should notice it..
As Tevash was 80 percent scum, why don't we look for the peoples who he called to be innocent? Or do you guys think, he would avoid investigating peoples in his crew?
Vote: Reenk
I'll continue voting for him for all of his scummy posts back during the ATPG-Tevash tiebreaker.
Shlin, stop reading into the write ups. Its often a dead end, even when it isnt it is hardly ever helpful.
Ares and Shlin are still the top of my to-lynch list, but I can't actually field any substantial evidence.
LG, I'd like to see you put a vote down.
Vote: taka
Come out, come out wherever you are.
This is worth a shot:
I ask everyone who will for my sake to vote for Seamus. :bow:
Listen to him people. Either vote Seamus or someone serious, like Reenk himself. And stop voting for lurkers, there are better lynches out there. If the game is still going later, then lynch the lurkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Ok im still very unsure on my vote, but for the moment i will Vote Seamus for the reasons that have already been listed, theres a few others im unsure on... but i think the others are more down to gut instinct rather than any evidence... and my gut instinct was possibly a little off with Jolt, so ill stick with this vote for now...
Boo. im here :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
first thing i'll admit is that im no good at keeping up with the big games, seems smaller games fit me better - theres kinda too much to read in a big game which i havent read through (as i mentioned to beefy)
looking back at some of the more recent posts, i think that Tincow has made quite a few reasonable points about shlin. even though he is our CoP, i find him highly suspicious that i dont think he's actually contributed to helping town much at all considering his position.
for now i'll hear to reenk's plea and
vote: Seamus
but next round, unless something drastic happens, im gonna vote shlin.
Reenk....you must give more then that.....:stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
hmmmm....could tie it I guess...Vote:Seamus
and where are the other guys...are we not missing four votes???:whip:
I still think of Reenk as Loki, so no thanks, not just yet.
Loki was good in Midgard 2:juggle2:.....and the whole PMing role fishing Khaan getting knocked off is weird.....:dizzy2:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
The Godfather comes up as innocent...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
No, it doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Do the rules allow private communication after dead?Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
I really don't see the reason of lynching Seamus.
Taka will be my vote, but he will not get my vote until we are down to 10.
ATPG, give me 10 reason why I should vote for Seamus.. Gogogogo!!:smash:
Gah! Just had a long post almost finished and internet died on me.
Gist of it here.
I'm disappointed in the number of people supporting Reenk without questioning anything.
Courteous Vote: Reenk Roink in protest. I'd like to here some reasoning.
Tincow makes a very good point regarding Shlin.
Killer seemed to have a grudge. Seems to think he is avenging Sasaki. Boombox guy killing Unicyclist?
Thats all for now, back tomorrow.
Tevash's attempted reveal as detective probably means he's got a role, I am inclined to think of him as a mafia because he failed back up with a PM and if he was town then he had no reason to lie to the rest of town. Despite self-preservation lying to the town about being a detective is one step too far for a simple townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
Could Shlin be the godfather? I know Shlin has most definitely been investigated in this game, but godfather shows up as innocent and I’m starting to suspect Shlin…
No rules have been broken.
I agree that Tevash was likely mafia. For a while, I thought his lack of response was simply due to inactivity or RL issues. However, I just checked and he was online yesterday. If Tevash was the real detective, he almost certainly would have posted in here berating us for being idiots. His silence after that detective reveal and lynching seems to be a pretty strong suggestion of his guilt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quintus.JC
shlin has some interesting behavior when Tevash suddenly became vulnerable. He had a total of three posts between ATPG's 'Skynet' mega-post and when the heat got seriously turned up on Tevash. All of them were either jovial/joking in nature or completely lacking in serious analysis, which is consistent with shlin's previous play style. However, once Tevash's lynch starts looking more likely, he suddenly drops the silliness and gets serious with actual arguments, which is inconsistent with his general lackadaisical participation in the game. First, he proposes sparing Tevash for a round. Shortly after this, Tevash claims he is the detective. shlin's response to this is to spare Tevash and look to see if he gets killed by mafia as proof of his innocence. Note that instead of asking for more evidence from Tevash, he focuses the 'proof' of Tevash's claim exclusively on the mafia killing or not killing him in the future. This is then followed up with serious posts with decent reasoning. He then makes no jokes at all while waiting to find out Tevash's fate. After ATPG's lynch, shlin then put a decent amount of effort into explaining why ATPG was a better lynch than Tevash, even though the issue was already decided.
After the following night phase, despite Tevash not getting killed by the mafia (which shlin had previously theorized would be proof of his guilt), shlin discourages a lynching of Tevash. He then provides excuses about why Tevash hasn't replied yet, followed by posts which defend Tevash.
So, up until this point, shlin has gone out of his way to defend Tevash. He stopped posting in a silly/joking manner and put forth effort on actual debate and analysis. He spends a very long period of time specifically giving Tevash every opportunity he can think of, and even when he acknowledges that Tevash might have some scumminess about him, he encourages that he not be lynched and that the town wait for the mafia's actions to prove whether Tevash is guilty or not. And then, when the votes start piling up on Tevash...
shlin makes a complete 180 degree turn and goes for Tevash's throat. Voting is then closed with Tevash in the lead, and shlin chooses that moment, before the lynch write-up is even complete, to claim that both the grunts are dead and that only the Godfather is left.
Where does he go after this? Why, back to his non-analystical and joking posting style, of course. He then reminds us again that both grunts are dead and claims this is due to a write-up which occurred AFTER he stated this the first time.
GeneralHankerchief, are the dead allowed to communicate with the living through pm about this game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rules
Check your inbox.
Excellent post TC.
Unvote : taka
Vote : shlin28
shlin28 indeed seems like a better option than taka for the moment.
Vote: Shlin
the lurkers can wait...