Cosa Nuova II: The Cult of the Cosa Nuova [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning

Think about it. We lynch a suspect and another possible suspect gets WoG'ed... Besides, you voted Roadkill and now you are calling him a townie. You voted him, so you should be convinced he is mafia, so why are you upset about a mafia getting WoG'ed...?

The town is doing great, the CN got only 2 kills in the last two nights. At this pace, we can eliminate all suspects (i.e. not confirmed innocents) and win the game.

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I suggest you might like to 'think about it'.

Because the more likely he is to be WoG'd, the less likely he is to be Mafia - you & I are in complete agreement on that. However, my vote remains on him in the increasingly vain hope that it pressures him into turning up.

If, on the other hand, you (or any of the other confirmeds) can tell me that khaan is definitely scummy, then he'll have my vote too.

And, yes, we are going to win if the CN keep killing at this pace, & if they do, I'll happily tie the noose around my own neck, because it won't make a blind bit of difference. But, if they don't, then we're going to need the safety net of as many townies as we can lay our hands on.

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Originally Posted by HughTower

Because the more likely he is to be WoG'd, the less likely he is to be Mafia - you & I are in complete agreement on that. However, my vote remains on him in the increasingly vain hope that it pressures him into turning up.

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Your vote won't pressure him, since GK is in the lead with a large margin. The threat of a WoG is pressure enough on him.

In my post 1170 you'll read why I am convinced both greaterkhaan and DoH are guilty. You are in balance with Caius.

Hugh look at this:

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We assume the worst case scenario: all 3 original CN's are still alive.

Process of elimination leaves us with 5 possible suspects (TB converted, he is on the side of the CN, but we don't need to lynch the converted ones to win this game):

Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Roadkill
Caius

Roadkill will get WoG'ed or at least didn't care about getting WoG'ed.

4 left:

Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
Caius

Caius got watched by Stig and was at home last night. HughTower got blocked by Sigurd the night before, but the CN managed to get two kills.

So Caius or HughTower are innocent. This means greaterkhaan and DoH must be guilty. You were in the running with Roadkill. To avoid lynching Roadkill and to make sure all 4 (3 original and 1 converted) votes of the CN wouldn't be able to lynch a townie, all townies still intrested in this game needed to vote you, to make sure a CN gets lynched.

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That's how it is. End of it.
DoH and Khaan are mafia. Twilight is the converted and you or Caius take the 3rd spot.
The only other option is that Sigurd is mafia, but that change isn't really big.

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Originally Posted by Stig

Unvote, vote: Khaan

I doubt Sigurd told anyone who he did block

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This is not entirely correct.
I pm'ed pevergreen who I was blocking last night and yet he proclaims he only got two pms.

Some things are a vague at best. pever claims knowledge that Twilight is a converted townie. How about sharing that info?

Roadkill is in danger of WoG that is right, so is DoH. If neither is Casanova we are doomed as that will make us loose 3 players this round. They better vote before midnight (Eastern).

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

This is not entiredly correct.
I pm'ed pevergreen who I was blocking last night and yet he proclaims he only got two pms.

Some things are a vague at best. pever claims knowledge that Twilight is a converted townie. How about sharing that info?

Roadkill is in danger of WoG that is right, so is DoH. If neither is Casanova we are doomed as that will make us lose 3 players this round. They better vote before midnight (Eastern).

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DoH voted two rounds ago. He needs to vote next round to avoid WoG, not this round.

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Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning

DoH voted two rounds ago. He needs to vote next round to avoid WoG, not this round.

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According to my tally he missed round 4 and 5. If you base your knowledge on Kommodus' posting he did not put DoH up as a no vote in round 4 but if you look closely you will not find him amongst the voters either.

[edit]: I see Kommodus is seeking two replacements to this game...
That tells me he wants the game to last a few more rounds and that RoadKill and DoH probably are innocent

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

According to my tally he missed round 4 and 5. If you base your knowledge on Kommodus' posting he did not put DoH up as a no vote in round 4 but if you look closely you will not find him amongst the voters either.

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Maybe you're right

DoH and RK: WoG
Mafia: HughTower, Caius and greaterkhaan ?

Who did you block last night Sigurd?

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Originally Posted by AndresTheCunning

Maybe you're right

DoH and RK: WoG
Mafia: HughTower, Caius and greaterkhaan ?

Who did you block last night Sigurd?

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If the players above are the Casanovas... then HughTower and Twilight? must have been active last night
I blocked greaterkhaan.

So that would be why there was only 1 kill.
GK would have targeted Stig, and because of the block it wouldn't have worked. The "attacker" was Sigurd, if I understood correctly?

No I'm pretty sure I was protected ... intuition

before I forget:

vote: greaterkhaan
the reason should be obvious.

So, Stig, you're saying there are 3 mafias left... Unless we're making a mistake with lynching GK.

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

So, Stig, you're saying there are 3 mafias left... Unless we're making a mistake with lynching GK.

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Yup 3 mafia left.

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
greaterkhaan
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus


Innocent
Unknown (either Caius or Hugh is mafia)
Mafia
Mostlikely innocent
Converted

Last night neither Caius or Khaan could do anything.
This means that the kills where done by the converted (Twilight) and the other mafia (DoH).

Other options:
-DoH is no mafia and both Caius and Hugh are mafia (small change)
-Sigurd is mafia (in which case we have lost)

In light of Roadkill's imminent WoGness, I succumb to the logic of the thread.


Unvote, vote: greaterkhaan.

It appears that you must be Mafia.

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Originally Posted by HughTower

In light of Roadkill's imminent WoGness, I succumb to the logic of the thread.

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Reluctantly ~:)

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The very opposite - I want us to stop taking things for granted. There are a number of assumptions being made which are potentially dangerous & I am challenging them - no more, no less than that.

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assuming there are more mafia then there are isn't dangerous.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Reluctantly ~:)

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Feeling the need to put words in my mouth, Sasaki? Am I not providing you with the case you'd like to make? What a shame!

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

assuming there are more mafia then there are isn't dangerous.

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I'll spell it out for you, although you know what I'm getting at, shall I?

If there are 3 CNs left, then that means Xehh, Dutch & you are all innocent, which means that your input & guidance can be considered in the town's interest. HOWEVER, if there are less than 3 left then, it means that one of you were CN, & your past, present, & future participation in this thread should be considered in this light.

And that, my friend, is why making assumptions about there being 'more mafia than there aren't' is dangerous. :smash:

EDIT: It wot was bad grammer, like. EDIT

Uh, guys, I'm not sure if you noticed, but Kommodus posted in the "Mafia replacements thread", saying something about two potential replacements.
We've got two players who are about to get WoG'ed. See the relation?
And, remember, replacements get to keep the role of the person they replace.

I only recieved PM's from Seamus and Sigurd. One from Warmaster Horus saying i was pretty stupid to post something that i did. :shrug:
EDIT: Yes Horus, it has been pointed out in numerous posts.

Ah, right. Just to remind the town that Roadkill and Destroyer of Hope aren't necesarily innocent.

Doesn't matter, this will be over in a couple of hours, and no-one wanted to replace yet, which means WoG

AH... I'm terribly sorry guys, I have been really caught up with school, and did not have to time to play, terribly sorry, so i guess i'll just bandwagon for now Vote: great kahn

Vote: Roadkill

Im sorry, not enough of a reason.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Vote: Roadkill

Im sorry, not enough of a reason.

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I concur, but will let my vote ride unless we, en masse, wish to shift to roadkill.

EDIT:

Early meeting, so off to bed.

Kommodus: if permissible with you, I grant Andres my proxy for a vote change on my behalf from GK to RK should he deem it necessary.

Voting closed. Stand by for execution.

Day 6


It was a scene many had hoped they had seen the last of years ago. Although heroic efforts had been devoted to cleaning up the devastation from the more than decade-old genocide, it still occasionally happened that a new discovery would be made – an impromptu mass grave, a ditch stuffed with corpses, a body thrown down a well. These constant reminders of the atrocities humans were capable of always carried the stench of death, even days after the cleanup crews had finished their work.

This same odor permeated the atmosphere of the once-pleasant field where the people of Gisenyi assembled to discuss important matters. The days when these assemblies had been brotherly and constructive affairs had been erased from most memories. Blood stains on the ground were a vivid symbol of this change. The despair was palpable, and enthusiasm for their grisly ritual had dropped to a dismal level.

Nevertheless, the people pressed on stoically, desperately clinging to the hope that they could still save some of their countrymen. To give up would be to accept their fate, and then there would be no reason to do anything other than go home and wait to die. Many had thought of leaving town, but there was simply nowhere to go. In this part of the world, violence seemed to pursue those who fled.

At this particular assembly, it didn’t take long for greaterkhaan to be accused. A relative newcomer to Gisenyi, he had immediately made efforts to become a part of the community, contributing when he could. Now, however, these efforts were coming back to haunt him.

“Isn’t that exactly how a criminal trying to stay hidden would act?” someone pointed out when greaterkhaan tried to defend himself. “Anyone can pretend to be helpful; but then, what good have you really done for any of us?” The tide of public opinion turned swiftly and irrevocably against the condemned man.

Having observed the fate of so many of those accused before him, greaterkhaan soon abandoned his feeble defense. “If this is indeed the will of my countrymen,” he said, “so be it.”

As he was forced to his knees, greaterkhaan met the gazes of his accusers evenly. “I want you to know that I only tried to help,” he said with resignation. “I bid you all farewell.”

With that, the machete separated his head from his body, and more blood stained the once-green grass.

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One individual had not been present at this particular assembly; for that matter, he had been absent from many. At about the same time the session was concluding, Destroyer of Hope was racing down an uneven dirt road north of town in a barely-functioning Ford Escort, his errand unknown.

The previous night’s rainstorm had turned much of the road into a soppy, sticky mess. The Escort’s tires spun and slid through the mire as the small engine strained under the demands placed on it. The darkness of the night didn’t help as DoH tried to guide his small car along the winding road.

Suddenly a sharp turn materialized directly ahead! DoH slammed on the brakes and spun the wheel rapidly, causing the vehicle to slide straight off the edge of the road. Two of the tires found their way into a ditch filled with mud, and the car came to an abrupt and jarring halt. DoH groaned as he felt it settle a bit deeper into the mire.

Cursing, he grabbed a flashlight and got out of the car to survey the damage. The tires on the right side were almost completely submerged. How was he to free the car from this mess? He opened the trunk and began rummaging about for a tow line.

However, his search was interrupted by a low growl coming from the bushes at the edge of the road. DoH whirled about and shone his flashlight in the direction of the sound. A pair of menacing, glowing eyes peered out at him from the jungle!

Instead of retreating to the safety of the car, DoH panicked. He screamed, turned, and fled down the road in the direction he had come from. The mud sucked at his feet as he ran as fast as he could, certain he could hear breathing and the padding of feet behind him, growing ever closer.

He felt a glimmer of hope as he neared a bridge he had crossed earlier. The river below offered sanctuary from whatever large predator pursued him. Racing down the bank, he dove into the dark water. Only when he had placed some distance between himself and the shore did he allow himself to look back.

He was greeted only by the soft night breeze and the full moon. The tiger he had imagined was nowhere to be seen. With a huge sigh of relief, he began to head back to shore.

At that moment a great vice-like force clamped down on DOH’s leg! Panic rose in his throat again as he instinctively thrashed against it. However, the alligator’s bone-crushing grip would not loosen. DoH screamed and sputtered as its teeth bit into him again and again, dragging him beneath the surface. A few moments later, his neck was snapped and his struggles ceased. The alligator settled down contentedly for a meal.

Vote Count

greaterkhaan: 7 (AndresTheCunning, HughTower, RoadKill, Seamus Fermanagh; Sigurd Fafnesbane, Stig, Warmaster Horus)

RoadKill: 2 (greaterkhaan, pevergreen)

Not Voting: 3 (Caius Flaminius, Destroyer of Hope, TwilightBlade)

Status List

Murdered

BlackAxe3001
GeneralHankerchief
Crazed Rabbit
rdece.jabolko
Kagemusha
discovery1
CountArach
Xehh II
Killfr3nzy
sapi

Lynched

Warluster
Tran
Xdeathfire
Sasaki Kojiro
Dutch_guy
greaterkhaan


Suicide

Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Ichigo

Died of Mysterious Causes

Ignoramus
Motep
Myrddraal
Destroyer of Hope

Still Alive

AndresTheCunning
Caius Flaminius
HughTower
pevergreen
RoadKill
Seamus Fermanagh
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Stig
TwilightBlade
Warmaster Horus

You're going down Roadkill

And how on earth did DoH manage to miscount.
Mafia:
Khaan
Roadkill
Hugh or Caius (50-50, tho Caius didn't vote this round)

Roadkill voted Khaan because he was death anyway


Or we allready lynched a mafia, but lets take it like this

I think Roadkill is innocent. Which leaves Hugh and Caius.

Townies, please pm me your actions so we can coordinate to some extent.

:laugh4: You'll be lucky to get two PM's sapi, this co-ordination is terrible.

Roadkill is our next lynch though.

We probably shouldn't discuss this right now, but I'm not sure RK is a good idea...

Will discuss in morning, to be sure.