I don't think the celts in northern britain were expansionist and were devided fighting each other, but if there is another british faction (i hope there will) i would rather it be a welsh or another english tribe
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I don't think the celts in northern britain were expansionist and were devided fighting each other, but if there is another british faction (i hope there will) i would rather it be a welsh or another english tribe
Just about factions in general: if the EB1 factions are all kept as they are for EB2, and with the addition of Attalid Pergamon, we have so far
6 Macedonian/Succesor States (including Epeiros)
In terms of completeness, with the addition of Pergamon, the gang's all here as far as the Macedonian States of 272 BC goes.
3 Celtic Factions and 1 German Faction
There were many more strong Celtic groups than the Averni, Aedui and Casse, and if I can consider them together with the Sweboz, there definitely seem to be room for more Celts/Germans; Belgae, Boii, Cimbri, Teutones: everyone has their favourite.
3 Iranian-speaking Peoples
It seems to me that the Saka, Sauromatae and Pahlava cover most of the bases as far as steppe riders go: there were still significant areas of Scythian control into the EB time period, but their 'great power' status had definitely waned. Someone correct me here if I'm wrong.
2 Devolved Persian/Alexandrine Satrapies (Hayasdan & Pontus. 3 if you want to include the Pahlava here rather than above)
Hayasdan and Pontus are only two of many former satrapies-turned-kingdoms: there's also Commagene, Bithynia, Sophene, Osrohene, Atropene, Cappodocia, Colchis, Adiabene, Galatia: probably most of these were too small or insufficiently independent to merit full faction status, but a case could maybe be made.
1 Dacian/Thracian Faction
The Getae were not alone in Thrace/Dacia: the glory days of the Odrysian Kingdom were gone but some independent identity remained; perhaps a case could be made for the Triballoi, Scordisci or someone else.
1 Iberian Faction
There clearly was a heck of a lot more going on in Iberia than just the Lusotannan: I'd bet money that at least one of the new factions will be here: Cantabri, Averaci, Aquitani, Celtiberi. There could possibly be overlap here with a new Celtic faction
1 Arabian Faction
I'd guess there won't be another Arabian/Axumite/Meroe faction, mostly 'cos the team has said there won't be.
Carthage
Rome
There's only one Rome, ditto Carthage.
1 Greek Faction
In real life the Greek players on the stage at the time were the leagues in Aitolia and Achaea, neither of which really included Athens or Sparta. "Koinon Hellenon" is a construct of the EB team to represent a temporary (and unsuccessful) alliance between the two latter city-states, some of the stated reasons for doing so being an unwillingness on the part of the team to overload Greece with cities (you'd need at least one more in the Peloponnese for the Achaeans) and a similar unwillingness to give up a faction slot to have two virtually identical factions (at least as far as culture and unit rosters go). There has been statements by the team that the KH will stay, although it may be changed somewhat, and at least a broad hint in Mithridates Aitolian League thread that there may be another Greek faction. This may all be deliberate misinformation to keep us from thinking that we know what's going on. :joker:
9 to be revealed
Now team-members have said that 'filling in the map' is not how they go about choosing new factions, but I think that completeness does play some role. For example, they have decided not to leave out one of the successor kingdoms. Within the types of factions that I have outlined above, EB already has most of the major developed states of the time (leaving aside small, independent city-states such as Syracuse, Massilia, and so on). The kinds of factions that are least well represented (in proportion to their numbers in real life) are the various tribes of Iberia, Gaul, Germany and the Balkans. There were a dozen tribes in Gaul, according to Caesar, about the same in Iberia, and a good half-dozen that I know of further east. So i bet we'll see at least one more Celtic faction, perhaps in Iberia.
So from the 9 slots left:
1 for scripting purposes is rumored
2 for the Cimmerian Bosporos (I hope :pleased:)
3 one at least for Iberia (I am guessing)
4 for the Lugians in southern Poland (were in the running for EB1)
5 for Massylia/Massaesylia/Mauretania seem like a good bet
6 for the Belgae
7 possibly for someone like Commagene/Bithynia?
8 possibly for Aitolian League/ another Mainland Greek faction (unlikely but hinted at)
9 ?
So there's 3 to 5 new factions that'll be hard to predict, eh? For what it's worth, from the EB website, the factions that are subsumed into the Eleutheroi include but are not limited to
Pergamon, Belgae, Scythians, Massylia, Massaesylia, Garama, Mauretania and Nabataea.
Of these Pergamon is already in. I'd guess that of the 4 African factions one will make it in.
You better be careful, boy. It's generally considered bad form in this forum to make such a statement without stating a source; such actions could be returned with people flaming-ly demanding sources. I'll be the first. :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by lenin
Really? That's interesting, do you have a source to prove this?
Probably not, which is kinda the problem with the Brittish Isles at the time, there are so few sources for them. And no, I don´t have a source for that, just the word of the EB team (and we all know how trustworthy they, right?).
Yeah i did't have any sources but other people have said the same things and have had sources to back their claims, but i should have done the same thing.
As I remember, it's not a widely held belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by lenin96
What about.. say, a reenstatement of the Yuezhi or a Turko-Protomongoloid race (Forgive me, but I lack the knowledge and resources of the common EB forum goer). Or how about changing the AI Baktrians about the Indo-Greek Kingdoms by giving them Taksashila and making the unit roster more Indian. On that note, we could add the Mauryans, seeing as how they had at least some influence on the Indus valley. But, if we had to choose them, we might as well expand the map to include the rest of Saka territory (Yes, sadly, I went there) and the early Yuezhi, and I bet few people really want that. Well, not in a Roman centric game.
And to those who want city-states and mini-kingdoms in. Look, I know they had unique histories, and had some impact, but if you place an independent kingdom near the heart of the wars between two superpowers, you probably will be beaten quickly into a bloody stain on the landscape. I propose instead to put more signifigant cities and kingdoms (The Numids, the Crimea, Pergamum, you know) into another faction like the eleutheroi, only with the ability to attack cities (Although not as frequently as other powers), raise armies effectively, and build up territory. Who knows, Saba might be replaced with a stronger bandito faction.
Of course there's the problem of hardcoded AI...
This is not really a problem. It is possible to code the AI in such a way that the larger factions will not attack the smaller ones (otherwise the HRE in vanilla would have stomped everyone into the ground). This can be used so that the Arche Seleukeia will focus mostly on fighting the Ptolemaioi, and not to fight Pergamon, Pontos, Hayasdan, etc.Quote:
. I propose instead to put more signifigant cities and kingdoms (The Numids, the Crimea, Pergamum, you know) into another faction like the eleutheroi, only with the ability to attack cities (Although not as frequently as other powers), raise armies effectively, and build up territory.
I'm also against including a "General Greek City States-faction" (as you call it), since this would not be historically accurate.
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Originally Posted by Ebikiyo of Kophen
:furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3::skull::thumbsdown::embarassed::shame::wall::whip: ::no:
Europa Barbarorum is not a Roman centric game. Europa Barbarorum strives to represent all factions equally within the limits of the game's engine.
Rome: Total War was a Roman centric game. Europa Barbarorum is not. Hence the name, and the proverb which explains the name:
Quisque Est Barbarus Alio; Everyone is a barbarian to someone (actually "another", but what the hell, that just sounds wrong).
EB is more of a Hellen-centric game but the Eastern Mediterranian was pretty Hellen-centric IRL.
Even more so, now that Asia Minor has been filled with another Hellenic faction.
It's not any-centric! There are only more Hellenic factions because they were historically significantly more unified and powerful in this era then say most Germanic or Celtic tribes and because sources are far more common about the Hellenic factions.
Guys, relax. Ebikyo actually came with some good arguments, he's not Rastapopoulos here.
Who? What? When?
I'm sorry, I just sawand freaked out.Quote:
Roman centric game.
Relax General. Tis no harm done.
What I meant by "Roman Centric" is that the original game's events and gameplay were more or less tailored for a Roman player. Hell, one game I played had me controling Skythia, Greece, Egypt, Asia Minor, and Spain during the Civil war (Funny Thing: Right before, I was bribing lands from the Jullii in Getai and Pannonia). Europa Barbarorum feels more like a more Hellenistic and "Barbarian" oriented field of play. I said the phrase because I've come across numerous conversations where modders would shoot down a faction because of their influence during Rome's Rise To Power (Not the Yuezhi, but somethen' else).
Also, isn't the Eleutheroi one faction? In fact, if a regular player took the reins of all of the independents, ruling the world might be too easy. The "banditos" faction would operate like the Eleutheroi, in that all of the states would have a different name and separate AI targeting specific factions or states and sending armies to conquer them. They might attack eachother, although that might cause a CTD.
Oh well. No matter what can be said, there is always a valid reason to challenge it.
Can someone say if this is possible?, It would be good if it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebikiyo of Kophen
Wouldn't that be exactly the same like having about 200 different factions? Which isn't possible.
The province limit is 199, so I would say 145 (Eleutheroi provinces in game start).
Sooo...your point besides nitpicking is?
1. Pergamon (Obviously)
2. Numidian faction, either Massylia/Syphax OR Garamantes
3. Goidils/Siluri
4. Lugii
5. Nabatea
6. Celt-Iberians
7. Helvetii/Belgae
8. Illyrian Tribe?
9. South Arabian Tribe?
10. Atropatene
11. Masilla
Compiled thanks to this guy's maps
http://worldhistorymaps.info/maps.html
And in particular
http://worldhistorymaps.info/images/East-Hem_300bc.jpg
http://worldhistorymaps.info/images/East-Hem_200bc.jpg
Sources
http://worldhistorymaps.info/TAL_Sources_pg1.html#bc300
http://worldhistorymaps.info/TAL_Sources_pg1.html#bc200
Ofc, one of those won't be included, but I think that those are the most likely contenders.
Well, a 'nomad' faction has been confirmed. But where?
Oh, Appo - you're simply too much! :laugh4: :yes:
May the Jagstaffel 11 be with you.
Stop spamming, desert.
Really?! Nice! Can you gimme a link? :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Spawn of something or other...?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=111049
There you go, Methuselah.
Also, right back at ya'.
Wow, a nomad faction? Africa? Arabia? Imma go check out that thread. Thx a lot, desert! :beam:
Oh come on, are you people actually trusting Moros?
EDIT: nvm, not allowed to disclose information.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by General Appo
Aww do share :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by gamegeek2
Please...:smash:
Please :whip:
I still would like to see a Indian Faction and Syracuse though. But I see AtB is working on the Indians :2thumbsup:
Heh. When I found the post and noticed it was Moros who released this information, my hopes collapsed like water on rocks. I still trust the EB Team, of course! Just not Moros...Quote:
Originally Posted by Appo