The Council of Villains- Large Mafia Game [Concluded]

its day right?

vote: khaan

seems like hes doing us bad more than good

I'm voting khaan because he didn't kill grizz when I asked him to. Take that!

Did i say i was voting 'khaan... could swear i meant sasaki...

Im almost tempted not to vote for him because he didn't kill me... despite your offer...

Also for ATPG's innocence he has been in contact with pro town roles all game, i think beefy is only one he knew that died... and i don't think that can be blamed on ATPG...

Though i did know pro town roles in midgaard for a while and we left them live... still im pretty sure puizza is innocent... if he's not we are all screwed...

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Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan

What am I supposed to be taking blame for?

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You were given a much longer hitlist, and a shorter one, because the shorter one indicated that we had narrowed it down further and I didn't want you hitting investigated people. You decided to go off the hit list because you "didn't like the choices".

At least you admit that much.

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I didn't particularly like your two person hit list(the other two were wog bait),

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Case in point.

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so I went for someone else.

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Without telling me, without consulting me first, without informing me until the last minute. Literally, right before the writeup. I even covered for you and said all the troopers got their orders in on time. What a lie.

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I notified you before the kill, admittingly late, and I tried to alter it at the last second, only to be informed it was too late.

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How much time did you have to inform me of your kill? all last day phase, and all this extended night phase.

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And I would like you to use a bit more creativity.

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I'd like you to use better judgment.

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At the very least, you could have given me a fake list of "proven innocents" and seen if they died instead.

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I apologize for not trying to deceive you. Won't happen again. That would have proven nothing; you could have avoided killing them to get on my good side, by the way. So, bad idea all around.

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You are going to lynch a person of complete villainous when you could just investigate me instead and be proven that I am with you guys.

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Sorry. Won't waste an investigation on a disloyal and dangerous villain. Rather use it to find the heroes. Rather use the lynch to dispose of a disloyal and dangerous villain to ensure no more mistakes.

But! It's not my decision. This time, EVERYONE is free to make their own choice who to lynch, I won't interfere. And BTW, they always had that choice; they follow me voluntarily.

-Bowser

Here's my proof, that Chaotix's writing style may not always leave clues... I'd like at least ATPG to read this, so we can maybe stop gang-lynching anyone mildly suspicious, i'd also like bandwaggoners to read it too.


It's a long read, so I spoil tagged it...

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Night 2

Shadow the Hedgehog walked alone down the hallway, towards the Council Chamber, a blank look on his face. Or at least, he believed he was alone, and paid little attention to his surroundings. In reality, someone lurked in the shadows behind him, all but undetectable to most eyes.

When he reached the chamber, he continued walking up to the podium at the center of the room. He mindlessly stepped over the many times decapitated body of Orochi, which the Egg-Bots seemed to be having trouble in cleaning up. The figure in the shadows moved towards the fringe of the room, and, finding a cardboard box, quickly hid himself under it. There was something about Shadow that he had noticed earlier; something wasn’t right with his behavior. Or perhaps there were a few things peculiar about his behavior…

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Lurking in a box? A very Big boss move, I can admit to having followed Shadow... but..

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Big Boss was still crawling back to his quarters under the cardboard box. All of a sudden, he heard maniacal laughter, and the sounds of a scuffle taking place in the hall. He cursed under his breath.

Outside the box, Big Boss heard the unmistakable sound of Meta-Knight’s voice, which was much too deep, it seemed, for his short stature. The other voice he could not place, but it kept repeating the words “Burn!” and “Die!”

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Why was I NEAR this battle? I didn't choose to watch this or anything remotely like that, it was purely a choice of Chaotix's to help build tension on my character I suppose.

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Finally, it appeared that Big Boss had made it back to his quarters safely. He could now tell the other villains all about what he had discovered this night. Soon, the traitors, for it seemed there were now a great many of them, would be captured.

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According to that I had seen a great deal and had much to tell my fellow villains, alas...

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His mutilated corpse was found in his room the next morning…

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I submit to you all, that despite the fact that things happen and people can have night actions. I don't think we should utterly gang-lynch them. I ask that we at least give some benefit of the doubt...

Now, regarding 'khaan, though we lost a valuable ally i'm sure there's a resurrection thing around here, but what he did was still pretty miffed up IMO.

TBH, I like the idea of having him around, but he needs to listen better if so..


@ 'khaan
Trust me, the list of suspected people is really small, the people that you were given were probably not people given to detectives, so that will eliminate at least a couple (maybe three?) players from the list, and no offense but as always, the less information that is spread out, the better.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

You were given a much longer hitlist, and a shorter one, because the shorter one indicated that we had narrowed it down further and I didn't want you hitting investigated people. You decided to go off the hit list because you "didn't like the choices". At least you admit that much.

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Of course I admit it. I didn't like the choices, so, again, I killed whom I thought was scummy. I don't know why you refuse to accept this. Same as with Psychonaut, same as with the others. Only now do you raise a big fuss.

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Without telling me, without consulting me first, without informing me until the last minute. Literally, right before the writeup. I even covered for you and said all the troopers got their orders in on time. What a lie.

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Not a lie. My order was in the same day that the day phase ended. I chose not to tell you until later. Further, I had no idea it was right at the last second. I was figuring the night would end at around 8 PM CST, much like the other nights. I was wrong.

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I'd like you to use better judgment.

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Was my choice a bad one this time? Yes, it was, IN RETROSPECT. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. I could not have known Beefy was a protector unless you told me he was, which you refused to do despite the inherent logic that would make it good to do so.

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I apologize for not trying to deceive you. Won't happen again. That would have proven nothing; you could have avoided killing them to get on my good side, by the way. So, bad idea all around.

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Good, you should apologize. Mafia is all about the art of deception, even if one must use it for good.

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Sorry. Won't waste an investigation on a disloyal and dangerous villain. Rather use it to find the heroes. Rather use the lynch to dispose of a disloyal and dangerous villain to ensure no more mistakes.

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I see. You would rather waste a lynch than an investigation. Clearly good judgement. How about, instead of the current plan, we try and find an actual hero for the lynching phase?

One thing, if that resurrection thing is a multi use, can I please be ressurrected to see khaan lynched? :grin:

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Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan

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Of course I admit it. I didn't like the choices, so, again, I killed whom I thought was scummy. I don't know why you refuse to accept this. Same as with Psychonaut, same as with the others. Only now do you raise a big fuss.

Not a lie. My order was in the same day that the day phase ended. I chose not to tell you until later. Further, I had no idea it was right at the last second. I was figuring the night would end at around 8 PM CST, much like the other nights. I was wrong.

Was my choice a bad one this time? Yes, it was, IN RETROSPECT. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say. I could not have known Beefy was a protector unless you told me he was, which you refused to do despite the inherent logic that would make it good to do so.

Good, you should apologize. Mafia is all about the art of deception, even if one must use it for good.

I see. You would rather waste a lynch than an investigation. Clearly good judgement. How about, instead of the current plan, we try and find an actual hero for the lynching phase?

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I reject this entire argument as poppycock.

I accept that you killed whoever you thought was scummy without consulting me first. That's why you're going to die here, now. You chose not to tell me until it was too late. You were very wrong. In retrospect, you could have killed from the list of people I gave you. You want a list of people not to kill?

Take the list of players.
Cross off everyone I told you to kill.
Done.

The art of deception... so, you're arguing, because I didn't lie to you all game, it is my fault you picked two power roles to kill? Weak. You're actually convincing me this is a very good move to lynch you.

-Bowser

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I reject this entire argument as poppycock.

I accept that you killed whoever you thought was scummy without consulting me first. That's why you're going to die here, now. You chose not to tell me until it was too late. You were very wrong. In retrospect, you could have killed from the list of people I gave you. You want a list of people not to kill?

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What do you want? I didn't like the players you had on the list; they didn't strike me as guilty based off of thread behavior. I'm not a goon.

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The art of deception... so, you're arguing, because I didn't lie to you all game, it is my fault you picked two power roles to kill? Weak. You're actually convincing me this is a very good move to lynch you.

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No, now you are putting words into my mouth. I never said it was YOUR fault. I was saying it was NOT my fault for targeting players I could not have possibly known were pro-town.

Why didn't you at least discuss your other suspects with pizza... im sure if you had discussed it between the two of you, you could find someone you thought was suspicious and that was on pizza's list ?

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

Why didn't you at least discuss your other suspects with pizza... im sure if you had discussed it between the two of you, you could find someone you thought was suspicious and that was on pizza's list ?

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The list was two players long. I didn't think either was all that scummy. Pizza didn't give me much to work with.

I was purposefully hopping on bandwagon to make my self look scummy, so I can survive as lynch bait.

But me chanting "I'm black knight! I'm Black Knight" earlier rounds didn't seem to help..

Good luck town!

Actually I just remembered I'm at war with The Koopa troop... unvote:khaan for now.

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Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan

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What do you want? I didn't like the players you had on the list; they didn't strike me as guilty based off of thread behavior. I'm not a goon.

No, now you are putting words into my mouth. I never said it was YOUR fault. I was saying it was NOT my fault for targeting players I could not have possibly known were pro-town.

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1. You did what you wanted, with disastrous consequences.
2. Whose fault is it? You made the choice. I gave you safe kills. I could NOT reveal who was pro-town. And by the way I still had to do so when you made the choice to kill beefy. But you decided to wait until heck froze over to let me know who you were killing. Again, your choice.

You won't budge, fine. It's just a fact, I did everything I could have done, safely, to prevent this. You decided on your own to not tell me who you were going to kill until it was way too late (why? This is the interesting part. You never explained why, if you trust me to defend you all game, in thread, out of thread, with power roles and defenders, not waste an investigation on you... even get into a fight with Sasaki trying to save you from death... you decided not to tell me who you were going to kill. You delayed intentionally, for no reason at all.)

Bottom line, you don't want to say it's your fault, and this isn't about assigning fault. If that were what we were doing, we would have gone after you for killing Reenk Roink earlier. We would have lynched you for being even remotely uncooperative. This isn't about fault or blame.

This is about making sure we know who you are going to kill so we can spare the pro-villain roles before it is too late. You didn't cooperate, as such you're as much a threat to us as any "hero". You've killed far more valuable people than they have. This isn't about anger or revenge or spite or even punishment. This is about ensuring the people we are working with are willing to cooperate. You aren't.

I defended you all up and down at great risk to my own credibility, without knowing your alignment. I wasted a defender on you, we wasted a lynch protecting you. Now, you've shown me, perhaps others, that you're not willing to follow direction or at least inform us of your kills promptly, when you send them. As such, you're a continued danger to the town, and by the authority vested in me by the people who actually want to use their pro-villain abilities without being taken out by a vigilante or a serial killer or a "hero", I smite you with a Thwomp to the head. That's my judgment but fortunately for you, I don't have any control over anything besides my own vote, and I gave you a chance to defend yourself.

Nothing personal, it's just business.

-Bowser

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Nothing personal, it's just business.

-Bowser

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Don't you know that killing is his business?

and business is good...

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Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan

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The list was two players long. I didn't think either was all that scummy. Pizza didn't give me much to work with.

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Let's gloss over the list of 5 people I gave you to kill, with optional 2 additional players as WOGbait in the "Letter from Bowser" message. You could have asked for more too, if you didn't like those. You didn't.

The case has been made, this discussion is going in circles. Make your choice peoples.

-Bowser

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

1. You did what you wanted, with disastrous consequences.
2. Whose fault is it? You made the choice. I gave you safe kills. I could NOT reveal who was pro-town. And by the way I still had to do so when you made the choice to kill beefy. But you decided to wait until heck froze over to let me know who you were killing. Again, your choice.

You won't budge, fine. It's just a fact, I did everything I could have done, safely, to prevent this. You decided on your own to not tell me who you were going to kill until it was way too late (why? This is the interesting part. You never explained why, if you trust me to defend you all game, in thread, out of thread, with power roles and defenders, not waste an investigation on you... even get into a fight with Sasaki trying to save you from death... you decided not to tell me who you were going to kill. You delayed intentionally, for no reason at all.)

Bottom line, you don't want to say it's your fault, and this isn't about assigning fault. If that were what we were doing, we would have gone after you for killing Reenk Roink earlier. We would have lynched you for being even remotely uncooperative. This isn't about fault or blame.

This is about making sure we know who you are going to kill so we can spare the pro-villain roles before it is too late. You didn't cooperate, as such you're as much a threat to us as any "hero". You've killed far more valuable people than they have. This isn't about anger or revenge or spite or even punishment. This is about ensuring the people we are working with are willing to cooperate. You aren't.

I defended you all up and down at great risk to my own credibility, without knowing your alignment. I wasted a defender on you, we wasted a lynch protecting you. Now, you've shown me, perhaps others, that you're not willing to follow direction or at least inform us of your kills promptly, when you send them. As such, you're a continued danger to the town, and by the authority vested in me by the people who actually want to use their pro-villain abilities without being taken out by a vigilante or a serial killer or a "hero", I smite you with a Thwomp to the head. That's my judgment but fortunately for you, I don't have any control over anything besides my own vote, and I have you a chance to defend yourself.

Nothing personal, it's just business.

-Bowser

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1. If its not about whose fault it is, then please stop ranting about me owning up.

2. You wanted me to kill people I thought were not scummy. Two people is simply NOT a list to work with. I need more options than that. Surely there were more "safe kills"(not pro-town roles) than that.

3. Why did I wait? Because I'm taking 18 hours in College, its finals approaching hard and fast, I have a speech tomorrow and I'm fretting over trying to get a decent summer job. I slept 12 hours yesterday because I'm wasted tired. It honestly didn't even occur to me until today that I should probably check with you, and that's what I did when I some decent time after my last class. So, my bad.

I'm gonna leave before I say something I shouldn't...

1) Kill khaan
2) Why would anyone join Atpg's townie group which probably will be infiltrated
edit 3) kill Atpg he's not helping either

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Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan

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1. If its not about whose fault it is, then please stop ranting about me owning up.

2. You wanted me to kill people I thought were not scummy. Two people is simply NOT a list to work with. I need more options than that. Surely there were more "safe kills"(not pro-town roles) than that.

3. Why did I wait? Because I'm taking 18 hours in College, its finals approaching hard and fast, I have a speech tomorrow and I'm fretting over trying to get a decent summer job. I slept 12 hours yesterday because I'm wasted tired. It honestly didn't even occur to me until today that I should probably check with you, and that's what I did when I some decent time after my last class. So, my bad.

I'm gonna leave before I say something I shouldn't...

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I am truly sorry. I'm not trying to pick on you, and I did say we are still cool and this is just a game, a few times. In-game, we have an issue that I needed to address with the town. Out-of-game, I couldn't care less about the game. Tis' just a game and I am sorry if I have upset you. Apologies for making you feel singled out or harassed; was never my intent. This is for the game only, I hope I've made that clear.

Roar, bowser, etc.

A note: AggonyDuck will be replacing BlackReaper! It's an honor to have him.

OOC: GOD,

Please don't ever try to get anyone from our school into this site again please @_@

2 Successes and what... 4 failures is not good imo :P

(Even if Blackreaper's not anyone from school, (I think it's phil though...))

With that, welcome AggonyDuck.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

A note: AggonyDuck will be replacing BlackReaper! It's an honor to have him.

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Curses and drat! I was hoping to cross another person off my list of suspects. :clown: Magikoopa, summon me some more plumber statues, I need to smash something!

Welcome, AggonyDuck!

Sorry 'khaan but with a few dead villians by your hand you've got to go.... and also you may not have killed the black knight but may have stood a chance against his other attacker without you to stand against

and when i said discuss with pizza and maybe you'll agree to a suspect on his list i didn't mean on the list presented to you but i meant on pizzas whole list of suspicious players...

Beefy i didn't notice and by the amount of time you survived it didn't seem anyone did...

I'm at war with The Koopa troop

Is that helpful ?

ohh and Vote 'khaan

Psst guys don't piss him off to much, ive seen his pic in the frontroom ~;)

Edit: welcome ducky!!

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

Sorry 'khaan but with a few dead villians by your hand you've got to go.... and also you may not have killed the black knight but may have stood a chance against his other attacker without you to stand against

and when i said discuss with pizza and maybe you'll agree to a suspect on his list i didn't mean on the list presented to you but i meant on pizzas whole list of suspicious players...

Beefy i didn't notice and by the amount of time you survived it didn't seem anyone did...

I'm at war with The Koopa troop

Is that helpful ?

ohh and Vote 'khaan

Psst guys don't piss him off to much, ive seen his pic in the frontroom ~;)

Edit: welcome ducky!!

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I don't want to piss him off at all. It pains me to know I've upset him, period. :cry:

Not a fun day today. We still need to decide whether he's in or out or if you want to risk having him around next night phase, unfortunately, but as I said, the arguments have been presented, and I won't be harassing him about it anymore.

-Roar, bowser.

I think people should take a step back and realise its just a game...

anyway back on topic...

Pizza i wouldn't look at it too badly having ducky come in.... im fairly sure wog's are mafias best friend... they usually cut out a decent chunks of townies for the mafia to kill...

And guys what about the guy that killed beefy, is he just one of the usual killers we have had through the nights or something different ?

I stick with my theory that the mysterious ninja-like sword wielder is none other than Grey Fox of the MGS series...

This only serves to further my suspicion (thank god for safari spell check, I hate that word)

If you guys have a good suspect, one that we haven't looked into yet, I'm willing to entertain the idea. I still believe khaan could be a vigilante and if he would make sure he tells us who is going to die ahead of time, we could risk leaving him alive. I am not saying that's the smart move, but it is a valid, albeit dangerous option. But we need to either take care of this this round, or not at all. Let's find a good suspect or ensure fewer deaths per night; choice is yours.

Anyone have a personal list of suspects they want to post and/or send to me privately?

-Bowser

Shinseikhaan should die for being a savage dog let on too loose a chain.

It's curtain for you pup.

Vote: Shinseikhaan

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Shinseikhaan should die for being a savage dog let on too loose a chain.

It's curtain for you pup.

Vote: Shinseikhaan

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Well that one is my fault. I could have insisted he kill the precise person I said to murder, or he would be lynched. The "loose" chain is my bad.

I have been put in the position of being the head of networks several times before; my first game I was an investigator who managed to bluff his way into being the "spokesperson" for the investigator and lived most of the way through the game. As such I formed a pro-town network. I was part of a mason group more than once, as such I formed pro-town networks. I was given a lynchproof role as Stewie in the Family Guy game, as such I formed a pro-town network. I recently was made nearly indestructible... :shrug: basically proving that I'm a townie, which means I can be investigated all day long and defended and nothing can touch me. Which means... form a pro-town network. Again.

As such, people are probably sick and tired of following my direction. As such, it's less fun for everyone. As such, I have been trying not to be a leader so much as a spokesperson and protector of secrets. In one or two instances (protecting Shinseikhaan) I've flexed my muscles, and I've helped ensure things weren't wasted, like defenses or investigations, etc. But no one is under orders to do exactly as I say, and they can suggest their own path forward and I can see if it makes sense and meshes with the plan. I've tried to be as hands-off as possible.

I will accept blame for not keeping a "tighter" leash on the roles. But I will say that I set certain fair guidelines and boundaries, and allowed for discussion, encouraged it, and simply wanted to be informed. That's all, no biggie. Trying to keep the game fun in spite of my annoying role not only as Bowser, but once again, the head of a pro-town/villain network. Again.

Roar, Bowser.




@El Diablo, below-

:laugh4: thanks, needed that.

Ha ha, I asked if ATPG was innocent and my computer froze and crashed or an hour.

Vote Khaan

So is the will of the people.

Egh. Whatever. Lazy lynch, happens. Bye bye, town.