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Originally Posted by ladd

wagons before wisdom makes their last post and vaimes makes all the mechanicall stuff

atp i think it was actually fairly reasonable to think wisdom could die over visor







level of confbias: villagery (probably)



it's funny that cape and taffy are actually the 2 players who seem to be most confident in their wolfreads (wisdom and taffy respectively)



still think this is a villagery post

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what makes my confidence villagery and Taffy's confidence wolfy?

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Originally Posted by ladd

i know hally this read too but i genuinely don't get it since obviously he wasnt able to be around as both alignment

it's 1 thing if he was around and posting limp but he just could not post which is as NAI as it gets



this seems like it will end up being correct



gonna be funny reading d2 and finding out what changed eheh



and now d1 is over and visor is ded

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

he flips wolf

idk if i have the time to d2 now but i should be able to read it on Sunday before EoD

vote: Taffy

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looking at this, I don't like how much Ender was gassing up his EoD like "oh i was the first to sus Visor" when he clearly got "cold feet" (im confbiasing fake cold feet in this instance) around the Visor wagon.

yall i think im coming down with something blehhhhhhhhhh i hate it here

@Hally

Maple Noone else has claimed town PR so

Cuth I actually don't believe wolf!Ladd would try to clear a partner like this bc if one accidentally gets outed through mech or a mistake then they both die. So Cuth is cleared either way imo.

Hally The truth is I can still see you play exactly like this if you're a wolf, but I'm the only one and it's not like I can make a convincing case or anything.

Cape I haven't really given any thought to Cape since what I told Ladd here. His reasons for pushing me are believable. His SoD post didn't move me one way or the other. There's some reason for why he could be paired with Ladd but that's tomorrow's problem.

Ender I townread Ender for this D1 interaction with Rask bc after Rask flipped PR I remembered it and I thought Ender had figured it out and was offering to cc him to draw the NK, which is not something a wolf would do imo. Visor's post could be a bad push, or distancing, but more likely the former since I don't think Visor expected to die there. The reason he isn't higher is that he changed his mind on Wisdom the wrong way from thinking she was town D1 to wolfreading her for her Rask interactions D2 after Rask flipped green which sort of contradicts my first point bc if he had known Rask was PR he should've already wolfread Wisdom D1.

Syn I've been saying Syn has had two bad EoDs which specifically is these three posts from EoD1 and D2 where he originally was voting me and joined the Maple wagon half-heartedly while still telling me I'm a wolf, joining the Ladd wagon briefly, then ending on Maple in the end for no reason, all the while posturing and daring ppl to vote him. I think he knew Wisdom was town, and voted everywhere else, without ever defending her (the one thing he said about her earlier that day was actually ok-ing the wagon).

Ladd Ladd wasn't at EoD1 and Visor died. He dogmatically pushed Wisdom over D2 despite expressing doubt both D1 and D2. I said yesterday that I would reread Ladd, and I noticed how he's echoing Waza to make reads: Waza townreads my takes on SoD1, Ladd agrees. In that post he also outright sheeps Waza's Cape read, and sort of defends Wisdom. Later he shades Wisdom's readslist bc of a post I made, which influences Waza to vote Wisdom, and only then does Ladd vote her himself (but remember following him onto Visor feels lame). D2 he claims that overnight he and Rask thought there could be a wolf in Cape and me (with my name being there bc Rask didn't like my second half of D1) but afterwards repeats that he's sheeping Waza on Cape, then modifies it when Cape questions him to "Cape and I were back in PoE when talking overnight but Cape is not a wolf anymore". He asks me for my thoughts on Cape but afaik never does anything with the answer, then brings up Waza again to dissuade Ender from looking into Cape at EoD2.

And today he's pushing me so he'd better be a wolf or we're cooked imo.

That is pretty much all you're going to get from me though, sorry

Taffy why did you go through all that effort linking posts when all you did was just write a report on what the posts linked were

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Originally Posted by Syn

Taffy why did you go through all that effort linking posts when all you did was just write a report on what the posts linked were

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the one original thought ("I think he knew Wisdom was town, and voted everywhere else, without ever defending her") does not parse either, at least FMPOV. if I was going to have a pet villager for the town read equity, surely I would have done more or been more vocal instead of be indignant in a couple posts and then move on. what is the wolf value in how I treated wisdom? no one would say "syn's behaviour around wisdom was really towny" and I haven't once pointed to someone's treatment of wisdom as a reason to wolf-read them, so if this was some wolf plan using TMI, I can't at all see what the intended result would be

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

@Hally

Maple Noone else has claimed town PR so

Cuth I actually don't believe wolf!Ladd would try to clear a partner like this bc if one accidentally gets outed through mech or a mistake then they both die. So Cuth is cleared either way imo.

Hally The truth is I can still see you play exactly like this if you're a wolf, but I'm the only one and it's not like I can make a convincing case or anything.

Cape I haven't really given any thought to Cape since what I told Ladd here. His reasons for pushing me are believable. His SoD post didn't move me one way or the other. There's some reason for why he could be paired with Ladd but that's tomorrow's problem.

Ender I townread Ender for this D1 interaction with Rask bc after Rask flipped PR I remembered it and I thought Ender had figured it out and was offering to cc him to draw the NK, which is not something a wolf would do imo. Visor's post could be a bad push, or distancing, but more likely the former since I don't think Visor expected to die there. The reason he isn't higher is that he changed his mind on Wisdom the wrong way from thinking she was town D1 to wolfreading her for her Rask interactions D2 after Rask flipped green which sort of contradicts my first point bc if he had known Rask was PR he should've already wolfread Wisdom D1.

Syn I've been saying Syn has had two bad EoDs which specifically is these three posts from EoD1 and D2 where he originally was voting me and joined the Maple wagon half-heartedly while still telling me I'm a wolf, joining the Ladd wagon briefly, then ending on Maple in the end for no reason, all the while posturing and daring ppl to vote him. I think he knew Wisdom was town, and voted everywhere else, without ever defending her (the one thing he said about her earlier that day was actually ok-ing the wagon).

Ladd Ladd wasn't at EoD1 and Visor died. He dogmatically pushed Wisdom over D2 despite expressing doubt both D1 and D2. I said yesterday that I would reread Ladd, and I noticed how he's echoing Waza to make reads: Waza townreads my takes on SoD1, Ladd agrees. In that post he also outright sheeps Waza's Cape read, and sort of defends Wisdom. Later he shades Wisdom's readslist bc of a post I made, which influences Waza to vote Wisdom, and only then does Ladd vote her himself (but remember following him onto Visor feels lame). D2 he claims that overnight he and Rask thought there could be a wolf in Cape and me (with my name being there bc Rask didn't like my second half of D1) but afterwards repeats that he's sheeping Waza on Cape, then modifies it when Cape questions him to "Cape and I were back in PoE when talking overnight but Cape is not a wolf anymore". He asks me for my thoughts on Cape but afaik never does anything with the answer, then brings up Waza again to dissuade Ender from looking into Cape at EoD2.

And today he's pushing me so he'd better be a wolf or we're cooked imo.

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So today I tried pushing ladd over you and in my SoD post had the same general Syn and Ladd suspicions that you have... and it didn't move the needle for you?

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

@Hally

Maple Noone else has claimed town PR so

Cuth I actually don't believe wolf!Ladd would try to clear a partner like this bc if one accidentally gets outed through mech or a mistake then they both die. So Cuth is cleared either way imo.

Hally The truth is I can still see you play exactly like this if you're a wolf, but I'm the only one and it's not like I can make a convincing case or anything.

Cape I haven't really given any thought to Cape since what I told Ladd here. His reasons for pushing me are believable. His SoD post didn't move me one way or the other. There's some reason for why he could be paired with Ladd but that's tomorrow's problem.

Ender I townread Ender for this D1 interaction with Rask bc after Rask flipped PR I remembered it and I thought Ender had figured it out and was offering to cc him to draw the NK, which is not something a wolf would do imo. Visor's post could be a bad push, or distancing, but more likely the former since I don't think Visor expected to die there. The reason he isn't higher is that he changed his mind on Wisdom the wrong way from thinking she was town D1 to wolfreading her for her Rask interactions D2 after Rask flipped green which sort of contradicts my first point bc if he had known Rask was PR he should've already wolfread Wisdom D1.

Syn I've been saying Syn has had two bad EoDs which specifically is these three posts from EoD1 and D2 where he originally was voting me and joined the Maple wagon half-heartedly while still telling me I'm a wolf, joining the Ladd wagon briefly, then ending on Maple in the end for no reason, all the while posturing and daring ppl to vote him. I think he knew Wisdom was town, and voted everywhere else, without ever defending her (the one thing he said about her earlier that day was actually ok-ing the wagon).

Ladd Ladd wasn't at EoD1 and Visor died. He dogmatically pushed Wisdom over D2 despite expressing doubt both D1 and D2. I said yesterday that I would reread Ladd, and I noticed how he's echoing Waza to make reads: Waza townreads my takes on SoD1, Ladd agrees. In that post he also outright sheeps Waza's Cape read, and sort of defends Wisdom. Later he shades Wisdom's readslist bc of a post I made, which influences Waza to vote Wisdom, and only then does Ladd vote her himself (but remember following him onto Visor feels lame). D2 he claims that overnight he and Rask thought there could be a wolf in Cape and me (with my name being there bc Rask didn't like my second half of D1) but afterwards repeats that he's sheeping Waza on Cape, then modifies it when Cape questions him to "Cape and I were back in PoE when talking overnight but Cape is not a wolf anymore". He asks me for my thoughts on Cape but afaik never does anything with the answer, then brings up Waza again to dissuade Ender from looking into Cape at EoD2.

And today he's pushing me so he'd better be a wolf or we're cooked imo.

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Also, exactly like what?

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Originally Posted by Syn

Taffy why did you go through all that effort linking posts when all you did was just write a report on what the posts linked were

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Imagine if I didn't add the links then the inevitable follow-up question is just "can you show me posts for what you're talking about here"

but nice shading

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

Ender I townread Ender for this D1 interaction with Rask bc after Rask flipped PR I remembered it and I thought Ender had figured it out and was offering to cc him to draw the NK, which is not something a wolf would do imo. Visor's post could be a bad push, or distancing, but more likely the former since I don't think Visor expected to die there. The reason he isn't higher is that he changed his mind on Wisdom the wrong way from thinking she was town D1 to wolfreading her for her Rask interactions D2 after Rask flipped green which sort of contradicts my first point bc if he had known Rask was PR he should've already wolfread Wisdom D1.

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the bolded is a wild read

parses as possibly villagery and not w/w with ender?

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Originally Posted by Cape90

So today I tried pushing ladd over you and in my SoD post had the same general Syn and Ladd suspicions that you have... and it didn't move the needle for you?

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That's really not how I read your post. To me it's more like you're stream-of-conscious detailing your struggle to decide between us

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

Imagine if I didn't add the links then the inevitable follow-up question is just "can you show me posts for what you're talking about here"

but nice shading

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reading the second half of my question would probably make it clear that I wasn't shading the links but rather the simple reporting of what happened

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Also, exactly like what?

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Hally's overall posts, solvy and villagery. But can I pick out three that explain why? No.
And that's exactly the impression I had when she was wolfing, even with host tmi

I don't know what else to tell you

i really don’t know lmao

vote: ender

i’m just doing this

he isn’t villagery and his turnaround on wisdom was stinky poo poo

vote: Ender

well that's boring

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Well, at night I reviewed what you all were saying in defense of Taffy, and I did find myself agreeing and thinking that I might have just been in over my head, but I think Syn is town today. I think Taffy/Ender looks viable unless Taffy was trying to distance ladd last pop in, but I found Ender's pop in super underwhelming, it's like he doesn't want to commit to scumreading me today when he felt so confident the other day

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At what point have I been afraid of pushing a scumread as mafia even against consensus?

Like ignoring meta on me, what would be the point in me not just pushing my scumread on you if I was wolf?


The short answer to all this of course is I honestly haven't been sure where your partner is after rereading. But that's the town reason.

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Originally Posted by Cape90

looking at this, I don't like how much Ender was gassing up his EoD like "oh i was the first to sus Visor" when he clearly got "cold feet" (im confbiasing fake cold feet in this instance) around the Visor wagon.

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I was gassing up my start of day/mid of day. My end of day was poopoo. Also by that point as wolf getting "Cold feet" is pointless unless another wagon has momentum and there wasn't another wagon with momentum.


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I'll be honest, I'm kinda lost.

I keep spinning around who I think is wolfy. Syn/Ladd/Taffy/Maple all have reasons for me to townread them. And I don't think I'm wrong on 2.

Hally has that immediate attack on Visor and good posting.

Cape I obviously wolfread but I need to work out where I'm messing up.

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Originally Posted by Syn

well that's boring

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Try not being boring.

flavor

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FOR EFRAÍN HUERTA

I’d like to write lighthearted things for you.
We’re up to our necks in
catastrophes and petty sadness. Not images,
maybe lips, hair, and a girl who plays
with a doctor’s bag. I don’t know, Efraín,
what the heck to say now that I’m thinking
of you. It wasn’t just your kindness that helped me; but also
that sort of inscrutable honor, the ease with which
you leaned against the window of your apartment
to observe, in a t-shirt, the Mexican
sunset, while at your back the poets
drank tequila and spoke in whispers.

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votal

taffy - ladd, cuth
ender - hally, syn
ladd - cape

Top tier thought:
Hally snowing everyone again because of one good bus on Visor.

I don't have the energy after the last few days to fight a wagon on me. I don't know if I believe in Taffy being w to even self-pres there.

Vote: Cape

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

I don't have the energy after the last few days to fight a wagon on me.

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:confused:

I need to go to bed so I have to stop being a coward

Vote: Ladd

also Ender asked very nicely not to bus

man i just don’t get what ender is doing if he’s a wolf

unvote

i hate this game

Sap

Exausted but ill be around for a bit

ender is town reading all the people he could actually mislunch and going for me/cape instead ???

i’m kinda talking myself into to pulling the trigger on ladd lol

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Originally Posted by Cape90

can you quote some of these sentences?

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there was on d2 that triggered that post in particular but i cant find it atm. still:

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

ngl I feel like I would've been a better clear I played what was probably my best town game ever over the holidays and it was largely bc I got to be cleared town for four days

I mean I'm happy for Cuth and I guess he had a better chance of being a wolf but I'm the one who gets misyeeted every game

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idk this seemed believable when i read it

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

not a planned bus but if they felt certain town!Wisdom was going to get yeeted might've been planned distancing for after one of them flipped later
I'm glad you said it's tinfoil bc that's stuff to consider in FX not now

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this one i noted cause it seemed not w/w with ender

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Originally Posted by Cape90

what makes my confidence villagery and Taffy's confidence wolfy?

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you seemed like a villager who had a wolfread they suddenly believed in (taffy) while taffy seemed like a wolf who was trying to create a narrative wrt wisdom/rask

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Top tier thought:
Hally snowing everyone again because of one good bus on Visor.

I don't have the energy after the last few days to fight a wagon on me. I don't know if I believe in Taffy being w to even self-pres there.

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hally being a villager has nothing to do with visor (at least for me). Them being a wolf would probably be the most surprising flip since lissa flipping villager in anni 2020 for me lmao




i am just as lost as everyone else tbh. taffy post seems a bit more narrating what happened rather than saying why it is wolfy to me but also the stuff giving me cold feet on them keeps adding up so uh ya not confident at all