Announcing my absence again. Off to school.
:bow: See you in the next game!
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Announcing my absence again. Off to school.
:bow: See you in the next game!
Good game, all.
I skimmed the mafia thread. My mind is reeling a bit with the amount of not only skill, but also effort, put into the game. Well played.
"This is Good Pelican"
"No way this is bad pelican"
"nah pelican isn't a wolf"
---Things dumb people say
i really did hate pelican's posting but i probably would not have shot at him.
I was obv looking at Hanky as someone I thought was wolfy
figured pizza would get lynched but i didn't have wolfy feelings for him.
the inactives would have been targets too just because i am so sick of inactives coasting in games/not helping that killing them seemed a good idea.
modkilling john without getting a replacement....boooo...
but grats pizza....being THE PERSON up for lynch EVERY DAY and talking your way out is pretty cool
now i realize what happened...every day i saw the statement "today's the day we lynch pizza"
then none of novice, mursska, or atheotes fought their own lynch :(
"today's the day we're going to lynch the piiiiiiiizza"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxFIGWm9M6w
Monty posting his way to town reads everywhere was pretty impressive, btw. I haven't seen Monty as scum and WIMming it up before, as he did this game.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
WIM?
I don't remember not fighting my own lynch. Although much of it happened in my sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonFox
By the way, was Monty really being himself?
Not much. I was busy, as I mentioned a bunch of times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stork
Wants It More.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
It's a shorthand of referring to the concept that the player that posts hard, tries hard, and is the most townie-looking will win the game, regardless of alignment.
This is unfortunately valid, if you're a player who doesn't make any long analysis posts or if you don't post frequently enough, it's tough to swing people's opinions.
I think players in the game sometimes under-value the contributions of a player that is, in fact, participating, voting, and making cases that seem valid, but isn't in the top half of the posters list. Anything above the minimum is just icing on a cake, dressed up elaborately and covered in sprinkles. But the cake underneath is still delicious.
The trouble with the WIM theory is that sometimes, even a guy like me does not want to post 500 times that game and I will get lynched for it, and I'm probably a townie when that happens. Although I have allowed myself to slack off in some recent wolf games to give myself breathing room too.
And, if you're someone who doesn't have the time to "impress" people with WIM, then it can feel like the game is rigged against you.
A vote for a scumbag is worth as much as any other vote for a scumbag. The post count / word count / WIM of the person who made it shouldn't be a factor, but it is.
Murska, for example, is among the better players on his home forum, and voted scums in this game, but had trouble getting people to follow him.
The only solution off the top of my head is to sometimes give one of those lower posting players a megaphone and a big stick and help them attack their suspects. Decide on your own if their suspect is scummy, or if they're townie, and then give them more support.
If I want to post more and try to clear myself that way, I can clearly do it as scum. So don't let the post count alone sway you. Monty can do it. Plenty of people on other websites can do it. Visor can do it.
Postmore =/= townie.
Good work all.
I fell for atheotes' trap and died for it - fair enough.
I wish I could have had more time to work with Khaan.
Dp101, in my first game ever here I contacted Visorslash and Ishmael privately in a vanilla game because I thought they were townie and tried to organize cooperation in the thread. IIRC, Visor played it off well but he was last surviving non-inactive scum and he used us to win the upcoming endgame. But old habits rarely change. I would have had a field day with Stork's role.
Sort of. After I got onto the Pizza train D4, my post-trend diverged heavily. As town, my activity would alternate between lurking and berserking, increasing in volume as the game progressed. I never start heavy like that and try to maintain it. By how much I was posting, a guess would bring you to assume this was a game with private communication, though obviously that wasn't the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
Also, my self-defense on D2 was a bit whinier than usual, but I attribute that to culture clash with you guys.
The Riedquat thing was hilarious. We had been tracking you, and you even were willing to work with Mafia, in the end, but it seemed nothing short of, "We are Mafia vote this way for God's sake" could have gotten through to you.
So we had to spank. :shrug:
At least I can follow his thought process now. Riedquat, we trusted you and we knew you had scanned two of us. Turns out, you couldn't actually see us properly, lawl. But still! That's a huge risk on our part. You should take a leap of faith and trust me once in a while, what could the harm possibly be, said the guy who killed you in cold blood and buried many villagers in two faced fashion.
Ok, it was a strong point until I finished that sentence.
I think the funnier part was that me and Monty were directly and somewhat openly telling the neutral that we were scum and that we knew he was trying to work with scum, and to unvote a mafioso, repeatedly.
Then, the next day, three villagers trusted me again.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Mind control ray. No, you can't have one.
Dang it, real life, I don't even get an achievement unlocked for THAT?
Scientists are wrong, we're not living in a simulated reality. Otherwise there would have been like a sound effect and a visual cue when that happened.
That's nice of you to say, but I didn't do jack other than I guess draw out CF's role with my body. After skipping a phase out of annoyance to mellow myself out, I was naturally totally lost, and didn't have the time or energy to catch up, hence my absence from the qt. Besides, this game had me out of of my element. If it's not capo, 3200 posts is just too much for me and I won't lie, 70% of it sure looked like meaningless fluff to me. Excellent work and praise to my teammates for captaining the boat. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Edit: And of course, thanks to Zack for the game. Yes, I'm editing a post! BWAHAHAHAHA
Thanks for another great game, Zack.
And, as per my comment in the dead QT, congrats to the scum for a magnificent performance. This game contained plenty of hazards for them, but they fairly strolled it home.
I fell for it again, too, and kept thinking you were town. Well, that, and I didn't see you and Monty being scum together the way you'd been interacting all game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I should know better by now that there's no way I can ever be 100% sure if you're town. If I have a truecop result saying "Pizza is 100% Absolutely Townie," I'm still not going to be completely sure.
And gah, Pelican. I caught a huge scum whiff on him around day 3 but I thought he was teammates with Stork and then Stork flipped neutral and I backed off my Pelican read.
I'd add to this that there's a point - relative to the player roster of any given game - at which higher overall activity levels stop benefiting town and start benefiting scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Heh, Bender had to kill most of your opponents and keep one of you alive to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
And kill me, now that I think of it.
I'm glad he died.
depends on how much wolves are posting and how much townies are postingQuote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
the ratio is important
edit: and monty + pizza had about 1/3 of the total posts in the game thread
Oh, rules question, was I categorised as human or robot? Since I believe my character is a cyborg or something. Anyway, time to ISO myself to see where I went wrong and where I was right.
Generally, it should count as human, since the jar is merely a life-support device that doesn't fundamentally change your constitution as a human being (unless I'm missing a canon detail).Quote:
Oh, rules question, was I categorised as human or robot?
You could have won by:
1. Listening to me.
then
2. Listening to Winston.
:wiseguy:
I'm well aware that I could have won, but in all honesty your sniping comments every time I dared to even approach working with Pizza put me off trusting you.
Oh, that was in reply to ISOing where you went right. You came closest in endorsing my case on Pizza, and in endorsing Winston's case against me and Pizza.
I don't have much guile. I was sniping only when you came closest to abandoning Pizza, so if that proved counterproductive then it would be exactly in character with my town game. :)
Also depends on what's being said. Sometimes the town is way more active than the mafia but they're all going after each other and letting the mafia skate by with little pressure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
It's also about how much reading people are able/willing to do. Stuff that looks uber-scummy when you haven't properly followed what went before can look straight townie when you have, and the same is true in reverse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
actually i'm sorry for this post. what's done is done.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonFox
i'm just an asshole
i'm the asshole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAvVe92mi5k
Apology accepted on my part. I really enjoyed playing with you, even though it seemed some of the regulars here thought you were too... unfiltered. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonFox
Don't worry, you weren't that bad. Sure you were sometimes overly aggressive, but under all that you were still trying to solve the game.
The biggest thing to remember about Mafia/NOTW is that this is a game based on lying and deception. There will always be players with agendas that are unclear to you. It can be really easy to get frustrated with people not listening to you, being aggressive towards you, twisting your words and using them against you, etc. Generally speaking, they are not doing this because they are being asses or rude. They either have an agenda, or rightly believe that you do too – even if you really don’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
It’s hard to walk away from the heat of the moment, but I find if I am getting really frustrated that is a big sign that I am on to something and need to dig deeper.
Anyway, fun game while it lasted. Sorry my participation dropped significantly after I was lynched. RL became much more of a distraction and frankly when you are dead it is harder to stay engaged. Scum did a great job here, but I really should have pushed harder post death on Pizza. The engineered CFD on me felt forced and I could have countered it harder. Monty and Pelican though would likely have stayed off my radar for some time.
If you want exclusivity on that, I will fight you for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrimsonFox
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