The Megapolis

@Tommy1950:


Well, I´ve also made some of those historical battles, on which you´re working, but no problem:

Please don´t use my old landscapes (if you want to do) of the battlefields for them, some of them are not uptodate.
You know I´ve made a landscape for each of the 7 historical battlefields in my map-pack.

And please don´t name them with the same name as I do: I´ve named them simply like the battle: Marathon, Plataeae, Thermopylae, Chaironaia, Granikos, Gaugamela, Issos: Use a "Tag" in front or behind of your battle-names please.


greetings:

Antalis

btw: A screenshot of a reworked rivermap.
It has two bridges:

http://max45.250free.com/mountaininlandriver02.jpg

Hello guys,
i was testing HTW r.2.0 and I should notice you some problems :

-customized battles :
It persists the problem of the money, that it increases although we buy more weapons, shields and honor ;

-campaign :
I was playing with “the Phrygians” and I got these problems :

1) I couldn’t leave the region “NICOMEDIA” in order to invade the region “BYZANTION” although they are linked ;
I thought that it depends on the straits but there were not a naval block, because I wasn’t in war with anyone, and besides, I had ships all around the seas of “NICOMEDIA”.
Why couldn’t I invade “BYZANTION” ?
2) then, the only way to land in Europe for me, was to land in “MOESIA”….strangely I could recruit mercenaries even if I had not the “Inn”, why ?
3) then, I built the spear maker, the blacksmith and other similar buildings, and although this, I couldn’t recruit spearmen or war tribes men, why ?
4) observing the buildings available in other regions, I had noticed a connection between the taverns and the brothels and the availability of new troops or buildings….Is it true ? (in “CYZICUS” for example, I couldn’t go on with the “keep” until I had built the tavern and the brothel )
5) regarding the ships :
5a) the time on stocks of the ships are actually too short : enemies can easily block the sea with many ships, preventing you any other landings for a new invasion, besides, the enemies don’t join the ships, so you have to sink the enemies ships one by one, spending many years, hoping, in the while, that a new enemy doesn’t advance
5b) the “Phoenician Triremes” have more offensive, defense and speed than the “Large Egyptian warships” (only the power is a little lesser than the “Large Egyptian warships”)… why ?
Because there’s a huge difference for cost and time on stocks (850 florins/ 2 years against 1400 florins/ 4 years
6) the siege machines still miss in the game even if in the Great Alexander period they just existes, why ?
Consider that many castels are impossibile to win with a minium of war machines
7) there’s a little problem in the software when you create the “temple” (church) that I solved typing “escape” on the keyboard…
even if I don’t understand why with my Muslim faction (“The Phrygians”) I managed to build the church…could you tell me more about it ?

For the rest I’m glad for the excellent work, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif and, thanking you for all I greet you.
Thank you again….bye bye

El cid.

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The battle of Leuctra won't be easy to do. How are you going to make the allies stand there until it's starting to look like the Spartans will win?

You can download the Time Commanders battle from here:
http://www.strategyinformer.com/forum....6e3aa6a

You need to be a member to download it :(

Hi CID007,

OK I know the money problem ... it is being addressed but I can’t understand why it is happening.

Now with the rest.

1) I couldn’t leave the region “NICOMEDIA” in order to invade the region “BYZANTION” although they are linked ;

- NO they are not linked they seem to be connected but they are not.

I thought that it depends on the straits but there were not a naval block, because I wasn’t in war with anyone, and besides, I had ships all around the seas of “NICOMEDIA”.

If you had a naval force there should not be a problem there but if the one that had the province had a naval force there you should eliminate his naval force first

2) then, the only way to land in Europe for me, was to land in “MOESIA”….strangely I could recruit mercenaries even if I had not the “Inn”, why ?

The building file has been remade so the rules of MTW are not 100% correct here. Having a big castle is good the get mercenaries having an inn is even better.

3) then, I built the spear maker, the blacksmith and other similar buildings, and although this, I couldn’t recruit spearmen or war tribes men, why ?

hmmm ... here it is my fault I have to make a list with what buildings you get to build the units you need. ... it is a bit complicated depending on the units.

4) observing the buildings available in other regions, I had noticed a connection between the taverns and the brothels and the availability of new troops or buildings….Is it true ? (in “CYZICUS” for example, I couldn’t go on with the “keep” until I had built the tavern and the brothel )

Not a brothel ... but a Stoa or a Provinsial Govenors Estate first this s why the northern tribs can’t build more that that.

5) regarding the ships :
5a) the time on stocks of the ships are actually too short : enemies can easily block the sea with many ships, preventing you any other landings for a new invasion, besides, the enemies don’t join the ships, so you have to sink the enemies ships one by one, spending many years, hoping, in the while, that a new enemy doesn’t advance

Yes there is a problem with the ships ... I think it is fixed now ...

5b) the “Phoenician Triremes” have more offensive, defense and speed than the “Large Egyptian warships” (only the power is a little lesser than the “Large Egyptian warships”)… why ?
Because there’s a huge difference for cost and time on stocks (850 florins/ 2 years against 1400 florins/ 4 years

Well there is a big difference with the ships in MTW and in HTW. I have made a huge effort to put the ships in order. There is a multitude of factors that determine the ship factors, time-to-built, cost and support (this is ~20% of cost but goes per year)

6) the siege machines still miss in the game even if in the Great Alexander period they just existes, why ?

Well the first siege weapons were invented much later and you will see them in the second triplet with the rise of Macedon ... well when flip does all the chariots ... I can ask him for a battering rum unit ... but it will be a really worthless unit.

7) there’s a little problem in the software when you create the “temple” (church) that I solved typing “escape” on the keyboard…
even if I don’t understand why with my Muslim faction (“The Phrygians”) I managed to build the church…could you tell me more about it ?

Don’t take religion literally ... this will change they go some thing like this
Orthodox – Oligarhic / Monarhic – Dorian
Catholics – Democratic – Ioneans / Achaeans
Muslim – Eastern Empires – Eastern people
Pagan – Barbarian tribes – Northern tribes

Hi all,
i d would like to congratulate everyone involved in the development of this mod. Excellent work people. Cant wait for the next version. I have to tell you that this is getting really popular in Greece(at least in Thessaloniki that is...). A friend pointed me to this mod and now a number of people play it spreading the word... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg.../gc-gossip.gif .
Keep it on.
An xreiasteite bohtheia me fotografies kai istorikes anafores(an kai prepei na einai ligo arga gia ayto), mporo na sas thn prosferw, exw plousio fotografiko yliko apo thn Makedonia kai thn Hpeiro kai h biblio8hkh tou panepisthmiou(Aristoteleio..) einai dia8esimh. Kalh synexeia.

Hi Dimitri,

Well since you offered your help ...
Can you see what you can dig out about the 2000 - 1200BC period in Greece / Asia Minor, what factions we need to make, ant there placement http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

A wise man said "be very careful about what you wish, it might come true"

PS ... I know it is strange to talk to a Greek in English but the people in here are mostly Non-Greeks we have to respect that Send me a PM about what you find out.

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Quote[/b] (Antalis:: @ Feb. 22 2004,17:40)]@Tommy1950:


Well, I´ve also made some of those historical battles, on which you´re working, but no problem:

Please don´t use my old landscapes (if you want to do) of the battlefields for them, some of them are not uptodate.
You know I´ve made a landscape for each of the 7 historical battlefields in my map-pack.

And please don´t name them with the same name as I do: I´ve named them simply like the battle: Marathon, Plataeae, Thermopylae, Chaironaia, Granikos, Gaugamela, Issos: Use a "Tag" in front or behind of your battle-names please.


greetings:

Antalis

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Antalis:

Not to worry - when the folders are extracted into the Batinit/battle/historical battles folder, they will have a year suffix such as : Leuctra 371 BC. Also, I created original maps based upon available resources. The MAPS will be suffixed with a year notation such as: Leuctra 371 BC. I believe this should suffice as a qualifying tag - but
I will change if you are not satisfied.

Thanks again for your oustanding work.

Tom Sims

They're coming...

http://filipeabranches.web1000.com/Pics/dendra.gif

When do u expect them to come? I hella cant wait for them

it looks amazing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/cheers.gif

Hello Komninos and you all,
thanks for the answer, and I’m here to sum up the situation :

-customized battles problems :
the problem of the money is on development stage ;

-campaign problems :

1)I finally reach the real reason of the problem that doesn’t allow me to invade “BYZANTION” and I understood the reason starting a new campaign with “The Lakedomoni” : the program was been altereted preventing me to invade a region by sea, if I am allied with the faction which own that region
In other words : contrary to the original game, you can’t make an amphibious landing if you are allied to the faction you want to invade.
This is wrong and must be correct according to the original game.
2)The problem of the recruiting mercenaries without the “Inn” seems not to have a solution (if I have understood well of course)
3)and 4) The problem of the link between buildings and new units can be solving with a technological tree, but the development of it, is quite laborious.
5a) Time on stocks of the ship is on development stage.
5b) I don’t understand the connection between costs/times on stocks and the probability to win a naval battle, because costs and times on stocks more higher should correspond to an higher skill to win a naval battle, but it can’t be possible with the actual situation, because no one would build a ship that costs more money and has a power of fire lesser than another that costs less and has half times on stocks Do you agree with me ?
6)For the siege machines I agree with you, but at least you have to decrease the strength of the fortresses and castles, because they are very spectacular in the game but really impossible to win with only the troops.
7)Religious buildings : all the situation regarding the religions is being to be changing.

I think it would be all….if there’s something wrong or something to add, please replay me.
Excuse me for my notes, but I’m trying to give you a little help.
Well, congratulating with you for the great work, I greet you.
Thank you again….bye bye

El cid. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

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Quote[/b] ]-customized battles problems :
the problem of the money is on development stage

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no clue here sorry ill look into fixing it

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Quote[/b] ]1)I finally reach the real reason of the problem that doesn’t allow me to invade “BYZANTION” and I understood the reason starting a new campaign with “The Lakedomoni” : the program was been altereted preventing me to invade a region by sea, if I am allied with the faction which own that region
In other words : contrary to the original game, you can’t make an amphibious landing if you are allied to the faction you want to invade.
This is wrong and must be correct according to the original game.

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the modification that has been made is graphical and scripting no changes have been made to the code so the rules that apply to MTW apply to this again ill look into this but i can say with complete assurance no changes have been made to the MTW code

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Quote[/b] ]2)The problem of the recruiting mercenaries without the “Inn” seems not to have a solution (if I have understood well of course)

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ok heres how it works - the Port acts as the recruiter if you have a port you can recruit mercs - the Inn makes mercs more likly

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Quote[/b] ]3)and 4) The problem of the link between buildings and new units can be solving with a technological tree, but the development of it, is quite laborious.

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yeah a tech tree should be written but at the moment it will change on next release so...

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Zitat[/b] (Tommy1950 @ Feb. 23 2004,18:46)]

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Antalis:

Not to worry - when the folders are extracted into the Batinit/battle/historical battles folder, they will have a year suffix such as : Leuctra 371 BC. Also, I created original maps based upon available resources. The MAPS will be suffixed with a year notation such as: Leuctra 371 BC. I believe this should suffice as a qualifying tag - but
I will change if you are not satisfied.

Thanks again for your oustanding work.

Tom Sims[/QUOTE]

I think you should use your name as tag, like "Leuctra 371 BC [TS]", something like this.



Antalis

Vre Komnine, when are you going to send me the stuff? I have some time during this week but in the next couple I won't have a minute. So, send me the descriptions so I can work on them during the week.

BTW I have reworked all the faction descriptions and added some stuff. I'll be sending them to you and zimoa.

Hi Sir Moody, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

regarding my point 1) :


1)I finally reach the real reason of the problem that doesn’t allow me to invade “BYZANTION” and I understood the reason starting a new campaign with “The Lakedomoni” : the program was been altereted preventing me to invade a region by sea, if I am allied with the faction which own that region
In other words : contrary to the original game, you can’t make an amphibious landing if you are allied to the faction you want to invade.
This is wrong and must be correct according to the original game

I'm sure that the things stay in this way
Likely there would be another reason for the bug that we are talking about, but in the original game i can invade any regions in which the seas are not blocked.
so, if i haven't broken any alliances, I'm able to go wherever i want, also invade a friend region
Of course, as soon as i have invaded a friend region i can't move another army in that region, until i have sinked all the enemy ships staying in the sea near that region, but until i haven't broken the alliance with the faction i want to invade, i'm able to go wherever i want.

Yesterday, for example i'm playing with Lakedemonis, and i had ships in all the seas, and i'm not in war with anyone : only in the regions of the neutral factions the program allows me to make an amphibious landing; in the region owned by my allies i couldn't move my troops, that is, i couldn't invade my allies

Anyway, i will make more checks about this problem and i will verify the mod with other factions, in order to understand if this problem may depends on other factors.

Hi to all, see you soon.

El Cid http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

Komnine,
the amount of information i found about the bronze age in greece and asia minor (up until 800b.c.)with a first look at aristotelio library is quite terrifying ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/gc-lost.gif It will take me a couple of days just to sorten out what is needed and what is not. Also, i found some very very interesting documents about the celtic presence in the northern balkans, and the contact they had with the kingdom of makedonia from 1200b.c. until the roman occupation of Greece. Are you people interested in that? I mean theres enough information in there for a hole new faction... Anyway,i ll keep in touch...Why can i not send a PM?

ah i think im understanding cid - that isnt a HTW thing thats VI patch thing - since the patch u can no longer attack via the sea if the guy you are attacking has ships that block the path - allied or not

Update, the Dendra Mycenaean armour Chariot is almost ready.
Here's some screens with an oriental flavor.

http://filipeabranches.250free.com/MTW/Units/car17.jpg

http://filipeabranches.250free.com/MTW/Units/car18.jpg


26 Fev
PS: Its ready http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/cheers.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...gc-stunned.gif

WoW, WoW, and a Infinite Wow's.

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Exactly Sir Moody http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/idea.gif
This is Huge handicap for the game that reduce the expansion of the only by ground http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/gc-wall.gif
If it is possible, there will need an urgent solution to the problem, in order to check the mod in a complete way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/gc-book2.gif
I'm going to proceed to checking other factions and other ages : at moment i'm only on the Proclassical age.

Ok...see you soon and many thanks

Ciaoooo http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

El Cid.

sorry cid it sint anything we can do - the Guyz at CA made the patch that way and it does kinda make sense - if you want t oinvade that said ally destroy his ships first

Hi Sir Moody,
I appreciated your interesting for the problem, and I'm very frightfully for listening that there's nothing that we can do to solve this huge problem.
The only way in order to play in affable way is to make the production of the ships more hard, in order to reduce the number of the ship to sink before an invasion, and reduce the movements throught the seas, in order to limit the possibility to block the seas.
Unfortunately, i don't see other solutions, otherwise we can surely say that the goal of the mod it's not reached http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/frown.gif
Anyway, you all did your best, and we can however appreciate the good design of the units and good work to recreate the ancient atmosphere http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/gc-blush.gif
Bye bye guys, hope some days someone can solve this bug, in the while, I'll check the campaigns game anyway.
Thank you again...byeeee

Ciaooooo http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

El Cid.

in the next version ship production has been reduced i believe so you should see less ships in the future

can´t wait http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/mecry.gif

Dimitri there is something wrong with your PM folder ... is it full?

So here I go ...

Don't get creasy with the info you will find a huge amount of info on culture, history of arts, architecture, ... etc we actually don't need that ...

What is at the moment interesting for us is the larger factions of the era in the area covered be the map but not the ones that were too close (i.e. Mikines and Argos).
The second thing at the moment is what you can find in weapons used, weapon technology, battle tactics, army units and there equipment, nobility titles and stuff we can incorporate in MTW so we can build Bronze Age HTW.

The era we are looking is the 2000 - 1200BC in the area of the HTW MAP.
Make also a more extended search for the grater East Mediterranean basin and the Middle East. Bronze Age HTW is just the Prelude of a greater mod in a map that has been built and sits in my disk till its time has come http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

how big is the final map going to be?

what i've modded in my games is :

making the Shipyard a uniqe building.
This way a nation will not be able to have 5 provinces creating ships.

Also i've thripled the amount of time it takes to create a ship.

in the same area, i found that it is hard resist making money on trade (which i feel is almost like cheating)
so i'be made the trading resources less profitable

The result is few ships in the ocean. Nations are not going to war that often. (i can't explain this one)
However, i did find that most nations are refusing to make good ships.

Hi Julius Caesar,

I think you can find an image of it in the mapping library project thread ... or at least a description of it.

USMCNJ,
All these come from the behavioural patterns in the file. The ship patterns were not moded and were very high that is why every body was producing ships all the time.

It is hard to mod the behavioural pattern but you can copy paste the behavioural pattern of a not top priority unit like Peltast over the ship ones. Be very careful. You can also reduce from the percentage of the trade income to 20% but also increase the farm income by 2 (at least) in the regions.