The thing is, I know I am guilty, I will freely admit that I killed someone earlier on in a vig group. I dont get why I am showing up as criminal now. This makes me suspicious of Kurkri. Why am I just criminal?Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaxfetish
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The thing is, I know I am guilty, I will freely admit that I killed someone earlier on in a vig group. I dont get why I am showing up as criminal now. This makes me suspicious of Kurkri. Why am I just criminal?Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaxfetish
Kukri is making the suggestion because he is not the only one gleaning information on mafia affiliations. We can lynch those discovered by CR or Cowhead, or those we suspect are dons, none of whom Kukri can kill. Those he has found criminal or guilty he can take care of in addition to lynch targets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
Ajax
okay thanks mate
I suspect that's in case Kagemusha were a don and Sasaki his luca? Do we have any indication that don and luca could not vote for each other, especially if it's unlikely to be a winning vote? It's a shame we have no published detective results on either of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
Ajax
Quote:
Originally Posted by Me
Because I don't think they can. I think they are forbidden from voting for each other by their red text. If this is true, and they can't vote for each other, then we have found Sasaki's made: Kagemusha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
So the list of accused:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cunnio
Charge's accusation was edited out later. He seems very angry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
I'm inclined to believe Caius's accusation of gibson and scottish. They are known mafia supporters, and the pm posted supports his story. He hasn't given any explanation for his two don accusations. Elite Ferret I can't give an opinion on, caius you need to post ALL your pm's and give more reason here. Kage is likely a don.
I thought I was the secretive waiter. But it looks like I was the single trench-coated man. So Kage was most likely protected by a luca.Quote:
Kagemusha, sitting in a restaurant across town, came face to face with his own mortality at more or less the same exact moment. He was ordering a third martini when a pair of gunmen burst out of the kitchen door, knocking over a single trench-coated man who’d been barring their path. Both men leveled their heavy pistols and made a bee-line for his table. Kage stood to run, knowing it would be too late…
As the shooters opened fire though, a secretive waiter managed to a) push the sommelier between the shooters and Kagemusha and b) lob a tray of perfectly seasoned pasta dishes at the two gunmen. The shots would probably have missed Kagemusha, since they were aimed behind him, as though expecting him to be backing away from some other threat. They didn’t miss the surprised sommelier. He caught all 4 rounds in the torso and hit the floor dying. The pasta, however, was right on target, covering the face of one gunman with hot sauce and a plate knocking the gun from the other’s hand. Both took off in the ensuing confusion, as did the secretive waiter and the fellow who’d tried to block the kitchen entrance. Kagemusha did not finish dinner.
I'm not sure what to make of Charge's accusation. It's possible TP sabotaged the protection on Kukri and tried to kill him. He was the one who sent the pm's and possibly thought from the lack of response (he told me only shlin confirmed his) that kukri would be unprotected. His accusation of kukri today is bizarre. Craterus has been acting suspicious. But I don't see Charge's motive for revealing them or for editing it out.
Unvote:countArach,vote:Kage Our best plan is to lynch the dons and let kukri kill the people he has criminal results on.
I wish I could explain more, but I'm dead, trust me on this one. Sasaki cannot vote for his made.
My made contact died some time ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
And now, the last Don discovered, TruePraetorian!
Thats why the attack of the chefs failed, because Dons don't count in vig groups! Everyone sent the orders, but there were 2 attackers because Elite Ferret and TurePraetorians are Don's of two families.
BTw, can I post PM's relationated with dead players? If so, I will prove you all that my story is true.
@Cauis: yes if you are living you can post pm's from dead players.
TruePraetorian has shown up in vig groups.
:laugh4: Oh no! He found me out! :laugh4:
But really Caius, that is a pretty stupid accusation...ive been in pt/vig groups for the entire game ask anyone...im pretty sure that dons cant count in any townie groups, vig or pt.
And Sasaki, i have half a mind to think YOU didnt send in the orders. My accusation of Kukri is becuase the write-up says he was frozen and didnt complete any night actions, but says he got results on me...odd.
Back to the point, it was I, Sasaki, Shlin, EF, BSR, and XehhII. EF was a test..i thought he would fail, so i predicted 5 would show out of 6. That leaves, Me, sasaki, BSR, shlin, and Xehh. One of them is a doctor now. BSR is dead, so he mustve been pro-town.
So, Sasaki, Me, or XehhII didnt send in the orders. Xehh didnt even get online to recive the orders, it was unread by the deadline.
That leaves both Sasaki and I. If GH's post is false, the TinCow is pro-town. Before he died, he told me not to trust you...saying you have much experience and you can manipulate people. If TinCow trusted me, a new player, over you, an experienced player, then that must prove that YOU are the pro-mafia player and YOU did not send in the orders. TinCow also warned me you would try to kill Kukri last night, and there was an attempt.
Its possible to think Sasaki did not send in the orders and worked with his family (made contacts? please..)to try to kill Kukri, using the stare to avoid being revealed.
EDIT: But sasaki has been in pt groups before, so i am not going to vote for him, just a small FoS.
I thought if I left you for long enough to re-invent your story you would blow yourself up - based on your panicky reaction after *cough* someone apparently persuaded you, you might achieve fame and glory in this thread if you switched your vote at last minute to TC in order to win a place in a mafia family....:devilish:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
Gee I'm so sorry to dissapoint you, and that you didn't really get a real chance to join any of my old buddies...
TP has a criminal result according to pro-town detective kukri - yeah everyone go vote the rogue cop your next director .:evilgrin:
Don's can't under any known circumstance come up as criminal to a detective - so either you lying or kukri lying - Kukri confesses to killing me so personally I'd rather town lynches him - but unfortunately doubt they are quite that gullible.
on the off chance - ghost vote: kukri
Excellent, I can prove you all that Im not lying.
Unmasking the master plan
This is teh plan unmasked, the relationship between Sasaki Kojiro, and Kagemusha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
Sasaki seems to be mafioso as well, lynch him!
For those who don't believe the claim of Elite Ferret as Don, his buddy Charge explicits that:
Charge suggests their don, then he tells me that EF is the director, so i could vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
To Ajaxfetish, maybe this PM exchange will tell you something,
The mafia is already organizated.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottishranger
Hello Makanyane,Quote:
Originally Posted by Makanyane
Please, people, lets give a big applause to Makanyane, the ghost who allowed me to enter the mafia family.
Im very thank full with you, without you, the mafia could had won!
Wait, the pm said there are only 4 town votes... are we that outnumbered??? More than a dozen mafia against 4 townies??? :inquisitive: If that is the truth, they could have just said they were mafia and won anyway...
Capotally as of post #3375
Lynching
CountArach--3 (scottishranger, Craterus, Kagemusha)
KukriKhan--1 (CountArach)
Twilightblade--3 (KukriKhan, Elite Ferret, Joe Monks)
Elite Ferret--2 (Caius, shlin)
Caius--1 (Kagemusha)
Kagemusha--1 (Sasaki)
Not Voting: gibsonsg, Ironside, Joe Monks, Leet Eriksson, norwegian nerd, Proletariat (director), True Praetorian, Twilightblade, XehhII
Director Selection
KukriKhan--6 (Sasaki, True Praetorian, shlin, Elite Ferrett, KukriKhan, norwegian nerd)
Proletariat--1 (Proletariat)
CountArach--1 (CountArach)
Craterus--1 (Craterus)
Caius--1 (Caius)
Personally, I think Kagemusha is the best lynch target for today. Between the story of night 6 and his anti-town voting record, I'm convinced he's a mafia don. Twilightblade is a minor threat, in my opinion. He could join the mafia, but has been acting alone and harmlessly thus far. CountArach can be offed by Kukri tonight, and Kukri's director vote looks solid, so he should be safe (the only thing that could prevent him, I think, would be another blocking, which hopefully the mafia don't have available, or a townie protection group, which I don't think we need to worry about.
If you trust my judgment, please shift votes from CA, TB, and Elite to Kagemusha.
Ajax
edit: Caius' reveal doesn't strike me as genuine (and if it were the town would lose anyway), so I think it's best to ignore him. What have his past activities been? Anything suspicious?
Not so fast, my dear friend! We will fight to the last consecuences, the mafia won't win.
We need to vote those who can kill, I'd bet...
How come he appears twice in your tally
I changed my vote to myselfQuote:
Originally Posted by capo tally revised
Lets not vote for Kukri, I think that wont let him to perform night actions and We'll lose!
True, a protection group would do fine for Kukri.
Sack Kukri, Select Caius
three things:
* I trust caius
* truepraetorian is scum. not priority though
* FIND A WAY TO KEEP KUKRI ALIVE!
and, keep on eye on the tally's.. get those two dons lynched asap.
Interesting developments. I am not going to comment on everything, it's way too interesting for that yet. Some loose comments though:
Wiseguys show up 'guilty' on the night of a kill, and criminal after that. So a criminal result does not mean they haven't killed before. Kage shows up innocent, TruePraetorian as criminal. TP is not a don. Kage's write-up makes perfect sense now. There were two single protectors. :wall:
The trenchcoat protector (Sasaki) and the waiter protector - the luca. Between Kage's suspicious behaviour, mafia voting record and his crappy defense, there is little doubt about Kage being a don indeed.
All those boneheaded lynches of the last few rounds make sense too now. The mafia block voting is obvious. The same goes for many of those other crap lynches. And similarly for all those hits on townies with roles. I wonder if the town can still outvote the mafia. We need a master plan, at least consensus about whom to vote for.
There is probably a mafioso with 'the stare', one who might prevent Kukri from taking out a mafioso tonight. Let's hope there isn't though, so Kukri can take out one mafia gun. I think a director is allowed nighttime actions. And if we are lucky, no nighttime actions are allowed against Kukri. So Kukri can take care of CountArach or Scottish Ranger himself tonight. So why don't we all vote for one of Caius' four exposed mafiosi? That way, we can check Caius revelation too. Gibson has a guilty detective result as it is. Why not vote him? Voting don Kage will only prolong the killing, we need to take out the mafia guns first if the town is to stand a chance. I trust your judgement always, Ajax, but the dons will have to wait until after the guns.
So I say we Select: Kukri and vote: Gibson.
Everyone deselect Kukrikhan over the next 18 hours!!!
Seamus:
Can a director perform nighttime actions?
Can nighttime actions be performed against directors?
I will be killed, I had the threat sent by Charge.
Please vote me. Save KukriKhan.
2 things:
Will never ever play mafia again
Caius, enjoy my ignore list you *****
For one thing, I never sent a message to kill Brave Sir Robin.
For another, it's time someone grew a pair. The jig is up.
Vote: Kukrikhan
Why Kukri? He is pretty much a pro-town role.Quote:
Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921
And Charge, just because someone betrayed you (or something like that, wasnt reading the thread too closely), you dont have to lash out like that...
I betrayed him. I do not understand why he became THAT angry.Quote:
And Charge, just because someone betrayed you (or something like that, wasnt reading the thread too closely), you dont have to lash out like that...
Its game over. Thanks Seamus for a wonderful game.
There are 18 people left everyone, and by my count 9 mafia/9 townies. Director cant vote so guess what mafia has more votes and Kukri lynched. So what is that....9 - 8 mafia? 6 mafia can do killing (3 dons) so...3 kills tomorrow? Townies can kill...hmm with wiseguys id say 2 people, since Shlin28 is a doctor and cant kill. That leaves us with a whopping 7 - 6, and 1 mafia cant vote, so 6 - 6. Mafia votes one guy, town votes one guy, director lynches townie. Mafia kill off 2 people, town has 4 people. Town kills 1 mafia, so tally is 6 - 3. Mafia elected again, townies voted to be double/tripple lynched..endgame.
Now, I asked Seamus, and he says that if all mafia DO NOT kill each other for a night phase or two, and DO NOT vote to lynch each other, then he will declare a unified victory. Makes sense...he cant continue a game with no one killing each other it would just be a dead thread. And he cant WoG us if we keep vote:abstaining.
Soooo....Vote: Kukri
I will elect director when it gets sorted out who we are choosing. sack:Kukri
All Scum do the same, it for the good of the mafia :beam:
EDIT: Oh yeah, if i screwed up in calculations, only 2 stares have been used...with 9 mafia left. Id say we have at least 1 more stare, so kukri wont be killing tonight, possibly shlin wont be protecting tonight. Even if votes dont go our way today, we will have more mafia then townies next day phase and can kill whomever we wish.
The Dons Must Be Lynched.
Getting the others is unimportant.
The latest tally I could find:
CountArach--3 (scottishranger, Craterus, Kagemusha)
KukriKhan--1 (CountArach)
Twilightblade--3 (KukriKhan, Elite Ferret, Joe Monks)
Elite Ferret--2 (Caius, shlin)
Caius--1 (Kagemusha)
Kagemusha--1 (Sasaki)
Everyone must vote for Elite Ferret. Do not try to do any double lynches or other stupid moves.
Vote only for one person, EF. Do not vote for anyone else. The Town must act as one. There can be no pointless bickering.
Elite Ferret is the Don with the most votes right now. He must be Killed.
The Town Wins By Killing Dons, not hapless fools like CA and TB.
VOTE for Elite Ferret! Lynch him today and kill others in the night.
Also - sorry Caius, but Kukri needs the directorship. DO NOT ATTEMPT to change votes from Kukri to anyone else. Caius I trust, but the mafia WILL USE VOTE CHANGING AGAINST US. If Kukri is the director we can have townies protect Caius.
Gibson - you are very clearly mafia if you vote for Kukri.
CR
Bugger, overpowered by those mafia weaklings.
Blech, if I were mafia, it would be my family only, and not some pussy all family victory. Surely you can't all be this afraid of the town that you all have to cuddle up together like a herd of scared sheep. :no:
Hmm, maybe you are right, CR. Maybe we can also vote a mafioso as director. That way, it's one less mafia vote tomorrow. One protection group on Kukri tonight, one vig kill on a mafioso, one kill by Kukri. How many can the mafia take out tonight? Two? Maybe we can still win. We need some number crunchers on this.
You're right, a bunch of cowards they.
Back in my day, we killed all the other mafia families and then most of the town. And we likely would have won too, if only...
I'm not sure on the rules though- I didn't think any all family victory was possible - they're going to start killing each other sometime.
CR
IF YOU ARE TOWNIE, THEN VOTE FOR ELITE FERRET!
Ok. My opinion on the matter: You're a bunch of cowards.
This is game is meant different. You're meant to win as a single family. Think of what would it be like in real. Sharing power with another family? That's ridiculous.
Not that you'll listen, anyway.. bunch of scum :P
I shall advice town now to vote TruePraetorian. for using a fake 2nd account, and being such a coward-scum.. he desorved most not to achieve victory, I say.
oki, town will die. but please take as much mafia as possible with you in death. they deserve it. ~:)
:bow:
The reason is that he first voted for KukriKhan, then for Proletariat, then sacked Prole for himself. I missed it during my tally, and I'm uncertain now which one counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
Also,
Quote from Seamus
KukriKhan can still kill at night if he's director. I don't trust prot groups to be enough. He must remain director. If Caius is sufficiently afraid, he should be protected instead. Kukri is too important to lose.
Ajax
Current tally:
KukriKhan: 3 (CountArach, gibson, TruePraetorian)
Twilightblade: 3 (KukriKhan, Elite Ferret, Joe Monks)
CountArach: 2 (scottishranger, Craterus)
Elite Ferret: 2 (Caius, shlin)
Caius: 1 (Kagemusha)
Kagemusha: 1 (Sasaki)
Not voting: 5 (Ironside, Leet Erikson, norwegian nerd, , Twilightblade, Xehh II.)
Can’t vote: 1 (Proletariat)
Oki, another try:
- All town vote elite ferret
- cuddle up with confirmed townies and kill those mafia that are unlikely to survive but can kill more townies.
- select a mafia as director, this one is important
I don't think any mafia has votes for director yet? so we need a candidate. let's say select: truepraetorian. get that going!
Sack:Caius
Select:Kukri
Unvote:Kagemusha, Vote:KukriKhan
Unselect:KukriKhan
Who are selecting as director?
There will be no all-family victory. It's not in the rules. :book:
So maybe the non-Destino family mafiosi would care to vote along with the town? Here is what's going to happen: the Destino family will kill the town first. Together with the other family-less mafioisi. Then, after that, there won't be an all-family win. The Destinos are by far the largest family, they will simply kill off the other remaining mafiosi after the town. It's perfectly obvious.
So die you will anyway, smaller family mafiosi. But you have a choice how you go down: be played like a fool by the Destinos, or face destiny like a man.
DO NOT FALL FOR THIS!! THEY ARE TRYING TO TURN US AGAINST EACH OTHER!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
EDIT: Unnecesary insults
Wipe out the town before decking it out mafia...
The ultimate showdown would be three Dons in the last round.
MAFIA FTW!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Wrong Loius. If you were game master, what would you do if no one was killing each other? If everyone was abstaining? You would have to end the game eventually, and your wrong about "its not in the rules". Actually that is the main point, ITS NOT IN THE RULES. There is no rule against an all family victory. Also, if this larger family started killing off the smaller familys...obviously the smaller families would kill of the larger family.
Either way, your sad because town loses.
And personally I Select:Craterus, since the other Don already has protection from a Luca.
The mafia by definition use whatever evil tactic it takes to win :tongue3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
Townies on the other hand, are supposed to be honest...:smash:
Just a PM I forgot to post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makanyane
There won't be three dons in the last round, Sigurd. Just the Destino one and two dead fools.
It would be well above my personal sense of pride to have another family win over mine. It would be me, or the town. Not another family. That is the worst defeat for a family, the greatest shame.
I dont care...Elite wont be playing Julii if he has any plots :laugh4:
But really, I think i should get bonus points for my idea, Seamus, how about 10000 to me and 20 to Craterus?
But Seamus just to prove it, what will happen if no mafia are killing each other and we declare a truce? If you still have the old PM it would be great :yes:
Oho! You're a sharp one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
EDIT: MAFIOSI VOTE FOR KUKRIKHAN OR IT'S GAME OVER!
Care to explain again why 'your brothers' registers, just to start sending messages to players from capo2?Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
where did I claim to be correct? :dizzy2:Quote:
Just because you were the first one dead and pro-town doesnt mean you are always correct. IMO, you are rather annoying,
What's this nonsense? fosing who opposes me? what are you talking about? I've been dead for ages. no one opposed me, of course.. furthermore, fosing a lot creates discussion, which is never wrong for town..Quote:
always FoSing everyone who opposes you. Id choose Glenn over you anyday.
Ah, thanks. Please react in a more mature way, because else I'll start rapporting your posts.Quote:
:daisy:
Maybe not... but that would be the ultimate showdown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
You should do, you could not win if you dont stop they, you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
Drisos...i edited out my post, but im glad to see my handywork. You accusing me led to me attacking you, which was unnessary, and i appologize. But, so was bringing up the double account thing. It is not mine, it is my brothers. If you dont beleive me so be it..i dont need you to because it is the truth and that is better then your opinions anyway.
As for everyone else:
DO NOT FALL FOR THESE TOWNIE ATTEMPTS TO TRICK US!!!
Wow . . . just wow.
Well, at least I'll get to see how much of my information management was accurate and how much I misconstrued.
And who were the Destino :daisy:s who shot me down N6, eh??? :boxing: :brood:
Ajax
The PM is from Makanyane, so the Tataglia are conspirating against you, thats why they knew their names.Quote:
DO NOT FALL FOR THESE TOWNIE ATTEMPTS TO TRICK US!!!
Id like o publicly announce a "Welcome to the family!" to XehhII :laugh4:
He should be posting soon :yes: If not already by the time i post this.
I basically say that so i can say this: WISEGUYS IF YOU WANT VICTORY JOIN A FAMILY!!!!
and:
NO ONE LET CAIUS JOIN!!! HE DOESNT DESERVE IT!!!
unvote CountArach, vote KukriKhan
sack [whoever i voted for, possibly myself], select Craterus
VOTE: Elite Ferret.
TriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchT riplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTr iplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynchTriplelynch!!!!!!!!!
Lets form a family and we all win.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
I kinda meant Loius trying to say "if it were my family..."
But, it is not up to any of us if the Tatagalia want to attack us..i just hope that IF THEY DO, that the Barzini family will back us up...but again I doubt they will be attacking us.
And it doesnt matter anyway, becuase the town loses :laugh4:
What tricks? The situation is perfectly obvious. This will be a town win or a Destino win.Quote:
DO NOT FALL FOR THESE TOWNIE ATTEMPTS TO TRICK US!!!
The mafiosi from the smaller families can choose between voting along with the town to prevent the embarrasment of another family winning, or they can be played like imbeciles a bit more by the Destinos.
Destinos, I should like to remind you all, who have never shied away from killing off as much of the other families as possible until now.
Never seen. And I saw all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
Vote or die.
MAFIA, NOW IS YOUR MOMENT!!!
For all of those who have perished in our cause, for the fallen, for the betrayed, for the Dark Side... VOTE KUKRI!
Afterwards, the three families can duke it out like men, the way it should be.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Those tricks! Right there! :laugh4:
It is a trick to make us vote with the town...kinda late in the game for paranoia dont ya think loius?
The Destino's are the same size as the rest of the families.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
what the... umm,.... Blast you Pannonian!!! I would have stuck it out with the mafia if you hadn't come meddling about.
Can I ask who Tiberius of the Drake's Don was?
ALL SCUM!
Be proud!
Vote for Kukrikhan or loss is inevitable!
I would like to express my utter contempt for any wiseguys who have joined and are joining the mafia right now.
That is not a win you share in, it is just a cowardly act. So first the mafia all teams up in one family. Then all wiseguys join. And pat themselves on the back for it as well. Might I suggest next Capo we all join in one big family in this game and congratulate all of us on our brave mafia win then?
Really...:no:
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Good try with the psych-warfare, Louis. But it's over.
Gah, Louis. Don't bother. We'll tell them "We told you so!" after they're killed by who they held for their friends.
Still I have to say, you're all cowards.:shame:
Mafia. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
We'll see about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
We'll see some crying mafiosi before this is all over. There is not going to be an all-family win. There is only one Capo de Tutti Capi in this game. And apparantly, some mafiosi don't seem to know that losing to the town is way better than losing to another family.
I, for one, am looking forward to their tears when I rub in how they have been used by other mafiosi today. :yes:
I tend to believe everyone will want to be the only winners, and Makanyane said there was a conspiracy with the Barzinis against the Cunnios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
Couldn't agree more. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Then do it....your attempts are getting "glennish" and i dont think its hitting home :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Here mafia:
Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
Gah!
The victory conditions are well defined in everyone´s role pm.
Who are you to change them in the middle of the game? IMHO not even Seamus should have the right to do this. :thumbsdown:
I'm sure the final tallies Seamus is doing will give a player more points if their side wins, whether it's their family or not.
I can't wait to see Glenn's reaction to all this. :laugh4: