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I can confirm this, because I was one of them. 4 of us were assigned to protect Glenn, but I am guessing from the write-up that 2 of them either didn't get their orders in on time or intentionally gave false orders. I will refrain from naming names until I have more evidence about which of these two options it was. If it was the latter, I think we have some more necks to stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Oh god damn.
Nos missus per Deum nosque salus est suprema res pro minoris populis!
NON NOBIS, DOMINE FERMANAGIO!
taka: Killed by group of three. No calling card. Wise guy group?
Caius: Failed attack. Looks like another group of three to me, with one of them failing to appear.
Beefy: Killed by some bible quoting mafia. Edit: now I see this is also weather balloons, most worrisome.
EMFM: Don't know what to make of this exactly. Two attackers, but failed.
Zorg: Not clear who he was killed by.
Andres: only 1 Attacker, and what looks like a doctor save to me.
Pannonian: killed by ballet slippers mafia.
The Stranger: Weather balloon mafia?
GeneralHankerchief: neither attackers no reason for failure clear.
Glenn: Weather balloon mafia? Apparently they have enough members for two kills.
3 kills by one group. At least 6 members.
Glenn? What happens to the blade and axe now? will you never be any good to the town?
Just because he can't be wogged any more doesn't mean he should reveal any red parts of his role PM. Wait a few weeks, and we'll know everything in the writeups for this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Monks
I wasnt expecting glenn to get wogged tho. If he was, surely seamus would have done it on night 2, after glenn and jimbob managed to get glenn saved on Day 1.
How does that help anyone at all? Why not get it all out in the open?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Well, Andres and GH both sound like solid lynches to me, so we might as well go for the double.
Vote: GH
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If we find the crown, we'll have something to work with. Hopefully we can get to a place where we won't need Glenn to act. Hopefully. If not, then at least we're still firmly on the town's side. We were in contact with a detective, and I'll continue to serve as a conduit for him.Quote:
Glenn? What happens to the blade and axe now? will you never be any good to the town?
Sic Semper Furibus until all the town is dead, or the mafia is gone.
I can confirm being a second. It seems orders did not get where they needed to. We shall see what comes of this.Quote:
I can confirm this, because I was one of them. 4 of us were assigned to protect Glenn, but I am guessing from the write-up that 2 of them either didn't get their orders in on time or intentionally gave false orders. I will refrain from naming names until I have more evidence about which of these two options it was. If it was the latter, I think we have some more necks to stretch.
To shed some light on the details of the kills, mostly the Biblical.
Glenn's kill quotes Jeremia, 48:10. "A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!"
Someone doesn't like the fact that we haven't struck at the mafia yet.
From Beefy's death 216 is 6x6x6 and is associated with the Mark of the Beast.
I'm still looking up LQKI.
So we have someone who knows something of religion in one of the mafias.
That was a bloody night, but remember, we won Capo I with only a handful left. The mafia are still outnumbered, let's get them dead.
Okay, analysis:
First of all, it seems like the two targets that look like they had protection last night were Andres (LaSalle) and Caius (Librarian - maybe). I haven't heard anything from or about Caius, and the Librarian might not even be a protector. However, there has been lots of speculation that Andres was a Don - could his savior have been a Luca? Possibly.
If Andres is a Don, that puts minor suspicion on those who voted for him as Director on D1. They are as follows:
ajaxfetish
Andres (self-vote)
Beefy (:skull:)
Craterus
Crazed Rabbit (although I'll discount this one considering later events)
hannibalbarc (:skull: - also, considered highly suspicious)
Ichigo (something's off with your behavior)
jonhugthom (inactive)
kamikhaan
Sarathos
shlin28 (first person to do so - reasoning: "Might as well select a mod")
Tran
Zorg
Secondly, weather balloon mafia. Upon further inspection, they, as Sasaki said, killed three people last night: Beefy, Stranger, and Glenn. Finding their Don is imperative.
Thirdly, vig-kills. There seem to be a lot of unidentifiable killers. This is worrisome. Luckily, their attacks seem to be uncoordinated.
Fourthly, if a lot of these are vig-kills and three of them are done by the weather balloon mafia, that begs the question: where the heck are the other families? The "Asian" Mafia is totally gone, disappeared into the twilight after they attempted to kill me on N2. Aside from the ballet slipper mafia, that leaves two families entirely unaccounted for.
Since I believe finding the weather balloon Don to be the most important thing in the game right now, I'm going to hold off on voting until things come into a clearer picture.
Vote: Present
Edited for formatting.
The bible-balloon family are probably using their Luca as a Made, so as to get in more kills and thus promote recruited wise guys quicker. My guess would be that they're doing this because their Don is protected as a townie of some sort, possibly even the Director. This may point towards Louis, but I'm thinking Andres as well as they might have got used to the idea of him being protected (as in the night before).
GH and Andres would certainly be good choices for a double-lynch, but people should have a look at their communications with others as well. Louis' strange arguments and enthusiasm in D2 certainly has my suspicion. While he's like that in the Backroom, he was much more circumspect in Capo 1. Still, since that was a year ago, perhaps his eagerness for the next installment can account for this.
What if the balloon Mafia was actually Glenn? Protected by unknowing townies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Joe
The balloon mafia are not Glenn, for the simple reason that it was they who killed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Monks
"We are sent by god and our life is a great thing for the little people!
Not us, Lord Fermanagh!"
I find it very interesting to note that Zorg and Stranger were killed last night also.
Zorg - no use hiding now, come forward, who do you know that knows me?
Zorg was a fine confident of mine and I kept him close on all matters, but seperate from all others for the sake of his safety.
Due to his nature, I did not think he would of made any enemies at all - this leads me to believe someone knew he was a good contact of mine - reason enough for him to die if he was also a detective.
Needless to say, I don't think my chainmail and chausses helped me at all last night.
Stranger was also a close contact of mine - he knew a great deal about the infallible three, yet I steered clear of him admittedly when I saw how often he talked to Andres.
I want to say this, because I find it odd two of my closest contacts were murdered on the same night - with neither attracting as much attention to themselves as Jimbob or Sasaki.
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Before I spam any further, may I ask how acceptable my speculation is after my death? Can I still PM?
I have read the rules on the dead- but it is simply another rule of thumb and you are expected to be honourable, I want to know how to be honourable.
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I don't like Joe Monks logic.
Or how Mr. Monks first spends almost every post trying to have me lynched, and then suddenly repents subtly in his post and asks me almost tauntingly how I am going to help the town now.
Well Joe Monks, you haven't come to brag about killing me have you?
Don't let anything slip now.
Then obviously the Balloon Mafia have killed their own Don then.
Edit: I wasn't trying to taunt you Glenn. I was genuinely curious about what you could have done if you had found the third member. I am actually laughing at myself because Panns reply makes me look like a *******.
Anyone know what this means?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
GH is being helpful so for now I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
At this point I'm not sure who to vote for.
Glenn, when you're dead, confine yourself to commenting on already public information. If you have private information that leads you to suspect certain people, only comment on those people if there is public information to lead that suspicion. It has been standard practice for some time now for no reveals after death, and no disclosure of private communications either (Kung Fu Mafia was the first to make this last part explicit IIRC). That's why I said it's a good idea to share your information in case you die. If you die without sharing that info, it dies with you.
I thought you were capable of detective work or somesuch - how could you do this if you were protecting Glenn?Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBob
He did not investigate anyone last night - he volunteered to help me - unfortunately we either had a traitor or a layabout amidst us.
Thank you Pannonian, I will continue to contribute what I can if it is listened to. And I can assure you that if anything I gave away too much information.
Ichigo - I translated what I said - it was just roleplaying, no codes involved.
Wow, things are certainley picking up around here with so many attacked already.
Don't have any insights to offer mainly because I skimmed most of the stuff and is still about 10 pages behind in careful reading.
Vote:W&Fs
I just got some info that someone got a criminal investigation on him.
I've already admitted to being a wiseguy. Pann will back me up on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Then your source must have been wasting his time, as w&f claimed wise guy 400 posts ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
I have no idea, Vote: Abstain for now.
Now wait a second!
We have several other criminal results, and Pannonian, who is dead might I add - has at least moderately close ties to W&F through PMs.
Pannonian, what is your comment?
Wow, that was quick...
Same, Vote:AbstainQuote:
Originally Posted by Xehh II
I don't want to get anyone in trouble if it was a simple error. There were some complications that resulted in two changes of orders within 90 minutes of the deadline. It is very possible that someone didn't get their orders in on time because of this confusion. Given how paranoid this group is, I don't want to point fingers at people for unintentional acts. Once I find out one way or another, I will let you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I think we need to lynch either Andres or GH today.
Unvote:W&Fs,Vote:AbstainQuote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
I was under the impression that WGs would appears as innocent if investigated.
I thought we already knew w&f was a wiseguy? And I think they appear criminal in investigation.
"Asian" mafia = ballet slipper mafiaQuote:
The "Asian" Mafia is totally gone, disappeared into the twilight after they attempted to kill me on N2. Aside from the ballet slipper mafia, that leaves two families entirely unaccounted for.
More thoughts on the events of the night -
Was it a mafia group that killed Taka? There was no sign or symbol left. So vigilante group? Why would they want taka dead so bad?
Caius got attacked by a vigilante group short a member or two it seems.
Beefy got killed by the weather balloon mafia.
EMFM got attacked by a vigilante group short members, or maybe a wiseguy group who didn't get Don support.
Zorg got killed by the yellow rose mafia.
Andres was protected by someone after being attacked by one gunman.
Pannonian got offed by the ballet mafia.
The Stranger was killed by the weather balloon mafia.
GH survived by luck like Beefy, it seems, from a vigilante group.
Glenn was attacked again by the statue/weather balloon killer, who this time succeeded though Glenn's protection was greater.
CR
Could the following players please state what they did last night?
GeneralHankerchief- the apparent lynchee
Andres- apparent lynchee #2
CountArach- Is a wiseguy and with the large number of bible/balloon mafia members it would be wise to also root out the wiseguys in case they're trying to join.
Norwegian Nerd- I think that he's a wiseguy based off of what he has said so far. See above