A lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
Seamus' Last Activity: Yesterday 20:06. That's 23:06 his time (EST). The mafia plot wasn't even hatched then.
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A lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
Seamus' Last Activity: Yesterday 20:06. That's 23:06 his time (EST). The mafia plot wasn't even hatched then.
Kukri...he posted in the thread last page.
Anyway it should be considered as mere propaganda until Seamus declares it in the thread. An issue of such relevance should be made public, it´s a fundamental rule change after all.
that PM is true, ask Seamus :P
Well, now that the mafia revealed publicly, it would only make sense to retract their voting rights since chief Seamus, being a good guy, would never count their scummy votes in the town meeting. Basically every revealed mafioso should loose his voting right. Hey, you get what you want, then we should have a free wish as well...
And remember this game is mainly about telling a believable story...
If you want to play that game...Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
*pulls out machine gun in broad daylight and shoots all the townies*
I love cellphones, they allow me to call 911 in seconds :P
How can we believe a liar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
If you are pro town why do you favor Craterus's mafiaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ironside
If you are a townie why do you favors Craterus's mafia?Quote:
Originally Posted by PM from Ironside
FOS at Ironside
:laugh4:
Get your guns ready, boys!
The truce is over!
Well considering the size of the mafia families, I think it is pretty cowardly to all gang up.
In a normal mafia game, there's one or two mafioso, maybe at most three. Of course it's an easy win if all the mafia families combine. The whole point of Capo is that they have to fight each other as well.
I agree, this seems like a Wallmart victory. The Mafia deserve no congratulations, I wouldn't call this winning, but game-breaking.
Sasaki, I guess I forgot one important thing when trusting you, just because you started townie doesn't mean you can't go mafioso. I guess I didn't think enough in terms of Capo. I only considered two options, that you were townie (and therfore trustworthy) or a made with a townie friend. :wall:
TOWNIES, VOTE ELITE FERRET, SAVE KUKRI!
VOTE: Elite Ferret
Select: KukriKhan
Just to make sure my votes get counted.
Also elite ferret, if what you say is true then perhaps you would take a screen shot or have seamus post it himself.
Since I was a n00b at the beginning of this game, I polled several veterans about the reputation of various players. Sasaki's reputation: Hates playing pro-town and will figure out a way to be pro-mafia unless his role makes it impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
Seamus can't change the winning conditions. Its written before the game starts, and you can't change it cause of a bunch of scum W(h)inners.Quote:
Mafiosi Roles:
Don(na)
A Don is the leader of her/his crime “family.” Their objective is to eliminate all of the other dons in the game, and to have more members in their crime “family” than the total of innocent townies and opposing criminals, thus gaining control and becoming the “Capo de tutti Capi.” There will be 5 families: Corleone, Tataglia, Barzini, Stracchi, and Cunnio; bold for small game]
The question that one needs to consider about Sasaki is whether to lynch him now or later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
Why should it matter to elite ferret. Maybe he knows his mafia cant beat the other ones so he needs help to elimnate other townies. Very scummy.
Couldn´t agree more. It´s a pity that the mafiosi these days shy away from walking through the fire to achieve victory. Pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
Include the opinions in your writeup.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Seamus told me the following:
"I will allow the town to create a new family: the Flaminius. Caius is the Don (I will send the PM with all the info), KukriKhan the Luca and Shlin, Norwegian Nerd and Leet Erikson Made Gangsters. You will win if the families do win also"
You´re kidding, right????
Voting closes at 1300 EDT/1700GMT.
Latest tallies are:
Lynch:
Kukrikhan = 9 (CA, Crat, Ferret, Gibs, Joe, Sasaki, Scott, True, Xehh)
Elite Ferret = 6 (Caius, Iron, Kukri, Leet, nerd, Shlin)
Caius = 1 (Kage)
Not Voting = 2 (Prole [cnv], 'blade)
Director:
Craterus = 6 (CA, Crat, Iron, Sasaki, True, Xehh)
Kukrikhan = 4 (Caius, Kukri, nerd, Shlin)
Elite Ferret = 1 (Ferret)
Proletariat = 1 (Prole)
No Selection = 6 (gibs, Joe, Kage, Leet, Scott, 'blade)
don't blame me about the combined victory, it wasn't my idea and I was only dragged into it because my ex-made had to reveal my name to save my life. As for Seamus's PM, I cannot screenshot it because it is against the rules and Seamus cannot say as he is host not a player, you could just ask him like I did when I was skeptical of the idea.
Select: Elite Ferret
Simply put, Mafia FTW.
Silly mafia, you forget that you are mafia. You cannot trust each other. If all of you obey the truce tonight, that will give one family the opportunity to kill you without risking themselves. When you wake up in the morning, you will be weaker and that family will be stronger. You will then slowly die while they win a true mafia victory by themselves. Because you are mafia, you cannot trust that everyone will abide by the rules. Therefore at least one of the three families will break the truce simply because they want to be the ones to do it first, as the others will do it eventually. The bloodbath is coming, you cannot avoid it.
Welcome to the Prisoners' Dilemma.
Funny, with the mafia out in the open and with currrent tally, if 2 wiseguys vote for Elite Ferret instead of Kukri, and with some vigi kills this night, it would be a quick change into the towns favour. Mafia loss here would be really, really funny. :laugh4:
But they'll probably do the cowardly move and go for the big happy mafia family minor victory instead (well it is only game breaking in capo with perma-alliances within the mafia so I doubt Seamus will grant full victory points for that one).
Well, if the town cannot win, better to screw up the mafia enough to ensure that they won't win the cowards way. Or will the next capo start with 15 mafia that can recruit and will work together for the next of the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by norwegian nerd
This is fishy, what is your role. What are you getting from craterus in return? Why craterus why not elite ferret or another don? Something is really fishy and its not the salmon I had for dinner.
I can absolutely assure you that Ironside is not mafia.Quote:
Originally Posted by norwegian nerd
Amazing game, Seamus. You are brilliant. Thank you for being such a gracious host now and in the future.
This isn't over yet.
You're now playing prisoners dilemma with Sasaki. This truce won't hold. Especially since the town can form 2 vig groups tonight.
What happened to loyalty to one's family. These are sad times for mafia everywhere.
I'm not affiliated with a family, and the town won't be able to form any vig groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Then why does he want mafia to win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
He wants only one of the Mafia families to win. The way it should be.
Sack: Prole, Select: Kukri
Congrats on shooting for the lamest win. You're all kinda the Boss of Bosses. :2thumbsup:
Unvote: Caius and Vote: Kukrikhan, Select: Craterus
You town folks were truly a great adversary. My hat is off for the town. This is nothing personal, just business. Let us see how this will end.:bow:
One minute to go...
Seems the Whiners are losing their best asset.
:smoking:
TC has a point, it would be easy for the Cunnio's to break the truce if Craterus wins the position of director, as he looks set to do so.
Think like that and the town has a chance. Just finish up what's been started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
Eyes on the prize, gents. Eyes on the prize.
Have the Cunnio's killed at all this game? I thought they were going a nonviolent approach. Haha
The directors can be lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
This is main thread post #3561
“Where you eat food, snatch plate, wherever drama come
Live by the gun, die by the gun
When it jump off - make it pop, you be the only one
Live by the gun, die by the gun
In this game of life - play hard, you only got one
Live by the gun, die by the gun”
-- Tragedy Khadafi
Sunset, Day 13
This evening’s meeting had been…different. No longer did the Committee mingle. Instead, as if by some unspoken choice, they had gravitated to opposite sides of a central aisle among the chairs. One side held a few more people than the other, and the expressions on several of those faces was nothing less than feral. Those grins only got more wolfish as Craterus was selected to be Director for the next two days. The counting continued.
Proletariat looked incredulously at the slip of paper with the vote talley. Her blue eyes narrowed to slits, and through gritted teeth she spat out:
"KukriKhan, it's all over," Proletariat gulped hard and then continued. “Hand over your firearm, and accept your destiny."
"From my cold, dead hands!" shouted Kukri as he went for his own hand-cannon.
He'd always fancied himself a Mike Hammer-type guy, even going so far as to affect the worn, cheap double-breasted suits and fedora of that dark hero of pulp fiction novels. He'd also taken to loading his own ammunition for use in his beloved .577 Webley revolver. But this morning, perhaps because of last night’s events, he'd mis-counted. Three extra grains of gunpowder were in the shell that just this instant found itself spinning into position in front of the hammer that would strike its cap – just three little grains…
"Die Scum Sasaki!" Kukri raged, aiming the Webley at Kojiro.
<<BANG>>
The crowd ducked, but no slug left the barrel on its deadly course. Instead "the only one who understood" Kukri exploded in his hand, mangling fingers, thumb and palm into what looked like ground beef. Kukri paused, swaying slightly as the meeting room echoed with the concussion of the explosion.
Kukri fell back, silently crumpling to the floor. Kojiro fell back into his seat – he’s knees not willing to hold him up. Commissioner Fermanagh walked over and gently lifted the battered fedora from Kukri’s head. Fermanagh immediately saw Kukri's fate. The Webley's broken hammer had imbedded itself more than an inch into Kukri's skull, crudely lobotomizing him – and killing him instantly. Fermanagh looked at Proletariat, shook his head <<no,>> and tenderly placed the fedora back to cover Kukrikhan’s face.
“We’re done for tonight,” spat Proletariat with an obvious edge to her voice, “…here.”
OOC
1. Night PMs for night 13 are due by 1500 EDT (1700GMT?) tomorrow, 10 March 2008. At this stage of the game, it is important that ALL of you PM me with your actions -- or inactions -- for the night.
2. Vote Tallies were as follows:
Lynch:
Kukrikhan = 10 (CA, Crat, Ferret, Gibs, Joe, Kage, Sasaki, Scott, True, Xehh)
Elite Ferret = 6 (Caius, Iron, Kukri, Leet, nerd, Shlin)
Not Voting = 2 (Prole [cnv], 'blade)
Director:
Craterus = 7 (CA, Crat, Iron, Kage, Sasaki, True, Xehh)
Kukrikhan = 6 (Caius, Kukri, nerd, Prole, Shlin)
Elite Ferret = 1 (Ferret)
No Selection = 4(gibs, Joe, Leet, Scott, 'blade)
:inquisitive:Quote:
Kojiro fell back into his seat – he’s knees not willing to hold him up
I mean...what a good actor I am!! Pretending to be scared like that.
Doesn't matter much if one of the families manages to cripple the others tonight. It seems you're all planning on attacking the town, which makes it the perfect opportunity for one family to renege and attack their largest opponent. The largest family gunning for their next main opponent, or perhaps the smallest family gunning for the largest one as a pre-emptive attack to prevent their own defeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
You know what would be really useful in a situation like this? An extra unaffiliated wiseguy willing to join them. Where could one of the families find one of those? Oh, yeah... Sasaki. Anyone know which family Sasaki has negotiated his way into? I'll give you high odds that that family is going to betray the other ones tonight.
If your family has the balls to grab a true victory here, my hat is off for you, Kage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Just BTW, Seamus´ silence regarding a multi-family-victory is quite telling ...
Wait a second...who was afraid and ran to Seamus, almost peeing in their pants, asking for a different win option? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Its not our fault that we are better organized then town. Our first and foremost objective is mafia victory.This goes ahead the victory of individual families.:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
We did put a pretty good scare into them, didn't we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
One little reveal, and the mere threat of a mass-reveal which would un-mask them, made the scurvy scum desperate, and now look where they are.
Town loses, but so do they. A weak, dishonorable statistical victory at best, instead - and one not yet acknowledged by the host.
-edit-
cool death scene. :thumbsup:
Bit harsh don't you think ? The mafia outplayed the town, and I'd say the living members have the right to end it as they see fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
Just like the townies have every right to nag about it, and try to play the living dons out against eachother.
:balloon2:
Butchering the townies is a means, not an end
Perhaps. On the other hand, the Families start out with a built-in advantage over townies, and pro-townie roles: they already know 2 other characters that they can trust (the Don, his Luca, and first 'Made'). It takes detectives several night phases to get believeable enough results to know who is trustworthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
So, yeah: maf-scum outplayed the town, but only because they have less ambiguity, and start out ahead in the game, in my opinion.
If I, as rogue detective, knew from Day 1 that I could trust Husar and JimBob (for example), and they knew they could trust me and each other, we could have made significantly quicker progress toward organizing the town.
If the town had been a little more proactive with vigilante groups they could have bumped off quite a few more mafia. Scottishranger got revealed on what, day 3? Yet he's still alive...
just got this from sasaki
"Hey Ironside,
in the thread norwegian seems to be on to you. I think I have a plan to throw him off track but it needs some work, you got any ideas?
Sasaki"
Nice fake PM
I amuse myself :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by norwegian nerd
Didnt the town win the first Capo?
And ill tip my hat to those trying to pysch us out, but unfortunately its not gonna work.
Yea...I got caught trying to start two mafias, yet somehow I am still alive. The town had better people to lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Anyways, wondering what news the night will bring.
I disagree that the mafia outplayed the town. Almost every WoGed player was townie, which put us at a massive disadvantage. In addition, the only reason the mafia was able to pull off the Kukri lynch was because a few townies went over to the mafia at the very end of the game. The mafia doesn't deserve much credit for that. If the townies had simply stayed pro-town, it would have been a town victory. The only people that deserve any credit at this point are the original mafia members who managed to remain hidden and alive this entire time, particularly Craterus, Kagemusha, Elite Ferret, CountArach, and gibson (nicely done, my friend). The people who simply jumped ship at the end are nothing more than opportunists, not grand strategists in any sense. People like Louis and CR deserve far more praise for their early game efforts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Kinda sad to not see my name on your list of greatness :sad: After all, i am the first Made Cunnio..and I DID gain your trust pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
One wiseguy switched at end. We had a majority without him. Town could have played much better, face it :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
@Kukri, it is not the information that the mafia had which is an unfair advantage. The whole point of mafia is that it is meant to be the informed minority vs the uninformed majority.
And that statement also encapsulates the the reason this more of a game-break than a mafia victory.
The informed minority...
In most mafia games, there are at most three mafioso. Anything more and the game gets unbalanced. CDTC can afford to have more mafia because they are supposed to be against each other, as well as the town.
There are certainly mafia players who deserve congratulations, but they deserve it for they play exculding participating in this whimp out of a 'victory'.
As an aside, I like to give heartfelt thanks to Seamus for hosting this game. It has been very fun. I wish it could have ended with a little more daring and tension, the way CDTC is meant to be, but it's still been a great game. One of the best in my inexperience opinion.
What part dont you people understand.It says in each original mafia role description that mafia victory is more important then victory of individual family. If we had not organized in few turns we would have been picked one by one. Maybe that would have make the town more happy and you could have said, what a crappy mafia you were against. I hope we could stop the mud slinging and play the game to the end.:candle:
^^what he said^^
There's not much tension in going down a list of detective results and checking them off one by one. Look at the day Hiji was lynched. There were what, 40 posts tops?Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
Oh I dunno, I bet the mafia were pretty tense :wink:
Coming from you, that means a lot. Let's see if I can go 2-0 with KOTR, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Aw, don't take it personally Kage; you and the others will get a well-deserved "gg m8!" when the game is actually ended. In the meantime (and we're probably looking at another week of play), dead townies are doing what they (we) can to demoralize, confuse and harrass the mafia. We're supposed to do that, according to Seamus' rules and role explanations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
My lynching, though important, is just a battle won, not the entire war. Now, instead of picking on defenseless townies, you have to guess which of your sneaky brothers-in-arms is gonna turn on you first. Then correctly time your assault on him.
Much tougher task.
O RLY? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Well played, remaining mafiosi :2thumbsup:
Now, kill those petty townies :evil:
Hehe. Hey Andres: I've finally decided; I DO wanna come over to the dark side. :laugh4:
The town could have played better, for example by utilising all of the townies, as a large number of them (including me) were mostly doing nothing :dizzy2:.
How did all the mafia manages to get to get into Tincow and CR's inner circle anyway?
I'll tell you when the game is actually overQuote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
I was under the impression that several (current) mafioso were townies not long ago. Being dead, the situation is somewhat unclear to me. My apologies if I offended anyone. I do believe that anyone who started as mafioso and is still alive played very well.
or just didn't play much and was largely ignored. :P
this was the first game i've played decently.
Good night,sleep tight town of fatlington.:sharky:
Hmm... I think I've found a flaw in the mafia plan. With all the townies dead, who are they going to shake down and extort? Congratulations, you've cut off your own source of income. You have also conveniently killed all the garbagemen and sewage treatment plant workers. I hope you enjoy living in a very smelly town. Need I mention the fact that when all the doctors are dead, you're probably bound for a slow and painful death?
Silly mafia never think their plans all the way through.
Aye, Craterus and Kagemusha and a few others definately deserve a big congratulations for a game well played.
Do you guys actually think that I can keep a straight face when talking about family loyalty? How many times did I switch sides in this game? 4, 5, maybe more?
If the first thing listed in your victory conditions was a mafia victory no matter what family then I guess y'all aren't doing anything wrong with this mafia truce.
I can't believe the town let Sasaki live this long. TinCow's evidence was the strongest case we could ever hope to have against Sasaki in this type of game.
I'm still curious about who Tiberius of the Drake's Don was.
Well, where were you guys going to drink and gamble when you'd lynched all of us? :smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I was going to study how to place explosives and sniper training.
Guys, let's not get philosophical. One family should be perfect balance.
lol, looks like it'll be Crate's family, though.
We have the same amount of people as you guys, and no Luca, so what do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921