meh, you have director tho.
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meh, you have director tho.
Bah. A bunch of wussies, these mafia families.
CR
Relax, CR, we'll have our fun still. :yes:
See, there is not going to be an all-mafia victory. Here's how they could have achieved an all-mafia victory: the lucas and mades of all but one family start killing under the banner of one single family. Once all members of a family are mades to this unified family, their dons are left without family members and can start killing too, to work their way to made status with the one, united mafia family. The rules allow it. In fact, it is the only way within the rules for a unified mafia win. Also, seeing as how the rules clearly allow a unified victory in this manner, there is absolutely no reason to accept any other way. The rules are very strict on how to achieve a unified mafia victory, the option is clearly presented, and the mafia didn't take it. So I wish some mafiosi would play like men and stop littering the thread with their incessant whining for new conditions, like they have been ever since it became clear that the town had pwned them.
If the mafia wanted a united win, the option was there. Alas, the mafia didn't see this option, didn't desire this option, or simply couldn't pull it off*. So any cries since yesterday of a 'shared mafia win' must be considered a ploy by some mafiosi. And / or a desperate attempt by some other mafiosi to run crying to the referee for new victory conditions.
So either:
- the mafia families really follow through with their plan of not attacking each other plus whining to the referee to allow new victory conditions.
- or, they won't stick to their truce and we can say 'told you so' to a great many of yesterday's panicing mafiosi. Their boasting about their victory was a bit premature, it seems. Like the town told them it was.
The former option means that all, and the latter that many, of the mafiosi left alive at this moment will not end this game as the cunning players they have been bragging they are, but rather as the laughing stock of .org mafia. :beam:
Because it's one thing to lose. It's another to be a panicing wussy trying to bend the rules. But to be a wussy AND to brag how you've won AND to lose anyway AND to have been told in advance...:smash:
(*However, they can still pull it off, at least to a fair degree. Hence, I suggest that all town players attack each other tonight. We must not allow the mafia enough kills for them to form into a unified family.)
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
I am laughing because the mafia arent the ones whining.
Would you (or any other Don/Made/Luca who reads this) please quote your victory conditions here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
The town is just mad because they failed.
I would, but Alas, I am dead and hence it would be breaking some game rules. Oh, there are some nifty red pieces in there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
How does it feel townies? having a big LOSER written on your foreheads. :laugh4:
I googled the term "sportsmanship".
Look what I found:
:shame:Quote:
Sportsmanship expresses an aspiration or ethos that the activity will be enjoyed for its own sake, with proper consideration for fairness, ethics, respect, and a sense of fellowship with one's competitors.
Often the pressures of competition, individual achievement, or introduction of technology can seem to work against enjoyment by participants. As a result, sportsmanship is often contrasted with its converse, gamesmanship.
Poor sportsmanship can either be the winners "rubbing salt in the wounds" of the losers, or the losers expressing their frustration at not winning, even to the point of holding a grudge.
I think there is some poor sportsmanship on both ends at this point. We won, but we should be gracious in victory. Similarly, we won and the Town should accep that.
Lol. 'you' don't win. :balloon2:
Feel the love.
Criticize sportsmanship after the game. Most of this gloating is baiting for crowd effect. Watch these next couple turns and you'll see, there's much more game to be played.
Methinks the lady doth protest...correctly.
Come on ...
It's our Germanic warrior genes.
We feel the urge to taunt the enemy before the battle. Can't help it. :sweatdrop:
It's a shame that the town is defeated. Nobody left to annoy with wrong tallies, senseless accusations, no more trying to convince them to lynch a detective or an innocent townie :bigcry:
Can the mafia just leave one of them alive? I need somebody to play with and, more important, to keep cleaning my gravestone...
My own pet slave, you know.
Well, I always wonder how much the dead can be credited for such a victory or defeat anyway, they can pull some strings behind the scenes but they cannot vote anymore and cannot post a whole lot of evidence or whatever in the public discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
On a different note I think more things should be written in stone by the gamemaster before the game starts, alterations to game rules or anything like that should only be done during the game when they apply to all player groups in the same way.
But I'll stop whining here and will just conclude that I'm not up to the task of mafia games and might want to stop playing them as my track record went only further downhill the more of them I played. :shrug:
If it makes you feel any better, I considered you one of my most reliable men. You were always a top pick for any important hit. Of course, so were TruePraetorian and Caius, so perhaps that's not as nice a compliment as I want it to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
:juggle2:
The funny thing is, I am neither whining nor being a poor sport. All I am doing is posting a crystal clear analysis of the situation. To think the mafia needs a town player to explain it all to them. :smash:
Anyway, the first family to acknowledge that Louis has been right wins. The others lose. I don't care which one it will be. Far from being a poor sport, this family will get my congratulations for their win after the game. :2thumbsup:
Until then, I will have my fun though. You're all living players and there's nothing unsportsmanlike in provoking the living.
The option for setting up a single family for a unified mafia victory was there. The mafia didn't take this option. Similarly, the option for town players to join a unified family was there as well. We didn't seize it either. Now you don't win the game by shouting that you did, you win it by winning. By being part of the winning fraction. This is what I meant earlier with 'the town might as well claim to be part of the winning fraction'. We aren't, and neither are most mafiosi (yet). So any call for unified win was a bit premature. At best. More probably, a lethal mistake for most.
It looks like the pwned mafia managed to get themselves in a tight spot yesterday. There really wasn't any masterplan. There was only mass panic. We now get to enjoy the spectacle of people who have been high fiving each other with their win having to kill each other. Through pre-meditated betrayal. Or, more probable and even better yet, unwillingly.
Now, either the pwned mafia does what the town tells them to do, that is, start killing each other against their will. Which will be a great laugh. Or they don't, in which case the mafia families don't win after all, which will be a great laugh too.
That's what I meant with this town's mafia being the laughing stock of the .org. ~;p
Well, the mafia still have one common goal: kill all townies. They will succeed at that.
Once the townies are all dead, the mafiosi can decide: fight each other in a great, heroic Mafia Battle Royal or stick together until the host has no other option then to declare this game over.
One thing is for sure: the town will not win :shrug:
Brilliant analysis, Louis.
Mafia certainly have some hard work set out before themselves - much tougher than just deciding which unsuspecting townie to snuff.
Who will be the first to break this unholy "coalition of the willing", unleashing the bloodbath of rival mafia murders?
Most interesting to the reader (and dead player) will be the daytime lynch cycles, once all the townies are gone.
Better than TV, my friend. There can be only one "Capo de Tutti Capi".
Speaking as a volunteer pro-townie (now deceased) I must say: town did a pretty good job of staving off relentless attacks from 5 (five!) mafia families, given the amount of information they were allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
My only personal regret was that I revealed too late. I should have done so soon after Crazed Rabbit got lynched, when the 'tipping point' of town v mafia numbers was more town favorable. Maybe I (we) could have awakened our slumbering (then WoGged) lurker townies.
The town did very well indeed :bow:
But the town is also the strongest faction in this game.
Don't forget that one family (mine, and I'm the one to blame :wall:) was already taken out before the game even really started. Alot of mafiosi got killed or lynched in the first few days of the game.
By forging an alliance, the mafia families made the right decision. It was (and still is! So stick to your allies my mafia brethren, at least until the town is exterminated!) their only chance of taking out their strongest and also mutual opponent: the town.
After they have taken care of you guys, well, we'll see what happens next.
Should have been more precise. The question was adressed to living mafiosi. Actually dead Dons are of little interest to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
So which living mafioso wants to prove me wrong once and for all and quotes his mafia victory conditions here in the thread?
Unfortunately we dont have to proof anything anymore. The control of the situation has passed to us. You can take one or two of us with you, but thats about it.~:smoking:Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
So you´re dictating the rules to the game host and are proud of it? That´s poor sport, if there ever was one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
No.The game host dictates the rules, thats pretty simple. What im saying is that there is no need for mafia to start handing out their role pm´s to the town to prove anything.:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
I don't believe Kage is dictating the rules to the host, he's merely stating the current situation. Namely that the town lose if everything goes as it seems to be going, and that there is little the living townies can actively do to stop it. Quite frankly, the power has shifted, and the ball is in their court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
And I'm also going to use this post to remind everyone, and no one in particular, that this is still a game and should be treated as such. Some seem to have forgotten that essential fact, and it's ruining a great game.
:balloon2:
~:idea: Simply for the continuing amusement of the 50+ "dead" players, Gameroom staff should maybe start a poll, listing the remaining mafia families, and the remaining 3 or 4 nights, asking the question: "Who will be the first family to 'crack' and attack another mafia family, and when?".
Then we could all place our bets.
Just a thought.
How about a poll: "Which townie will be left alive to serve as cleaner of Andres' gravestone" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
LOL, I'm all for it. Though your poll might get fewer votes than my proposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Or maybe I underestimate the popularity of gravestone cleaning chores.:laugh4:
I agree that this current discussion is not really useful. It was natural and proper for the mafia to celebrate as a group when it became clear that the town had been defeated. They deserved to have a short period to pat themselves on the back for a job well done. However, there are still three families remaining and I think we all know that they will fight it out to determine which one is the winner. There's plenty of entertainment to come for us corpses, so let's just sit back, watch, and perhaps speculate where appropriate. The next few night and day phases will be interesting, so let's let them take their natural course.
I guess you´re right.
Apologies to Kage, Sigurd and everybody else.
There is nothing to apologies. Lets just see this journey through.:bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
How's it feel to be dead, receiving your just desserts in the afterlife? I'm up on a heavenly ski slope sipping cocktails and you're cleaning the toilets in Hell. All that criminal activity kind of loses its luster when your dead, doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
:beam:
And don't you work with computers and networks? Shouldn't you have thought of IP tracking? And yet you were found out by a engineering student who hasn't taken a class related to computers since his freshman year of highschool.
:beam:
And for my money, Crate's family seems to be in a very good position; they don't have to protect their don tonight.
CR
I'm just having a very nice, friendly "game's almost over"-chat with my friend Don Kage, don't see what your problem is. Because he's my friend I also told him that his victory is lame of course. ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
For host's convenience, the deadline is extended by one hour until 1600 EDT (2000 GMT).
Numerous orders do not match. If you have ANY concerns, a fresh PM would not be amiss. My notes are chaotic at present and clarity would help.
Thank you.
There is no hell. Why? Because I said so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Never knew you could do that stuff CR... You get a star in my book. :2thumbsup:Quote:
And don't you work with computers and networks? Shouldn't you have thought of IP tracking? And yet you were found out by a engineering student who hasn't taken a class related to computers since his freshman year of highschool.
I guess I masked my IP's a little too late.
I got you back though, Don Cunnio... :beam: Too bad I hadn't time to do a decent fake reveal, the kind that would keep me alive. A little more time for the hitman role to sink into the minds of the town and mafia ... it could have worked.
Triudecanoctis finis est. Writeup to follow when possible.
Host a bit ill, and not quite as up to speed as he'd like.
Sounds interesting. :beam:Quote:
Numerous orders do not match. If you have ANY concerns, a fresh PM would not be amiss. My notes are chaotic at present and clarity would help.
CR
This is main thread post #3639
"King of the castle
More room at the top
All sorts allowed
Now the gloves are off
Heya! hello neighbour
Benevolent mother
Smother the child
The benefactors are in denial
The banality of evil"
-- Nine Horses
Summary, Night Thirteen
Elite Ferret was headed home after dinner, walking alone as was his custom. The streets weren’t deserted, but he hadn’t passed anyone for blocks. Previously, he’d found these walks calming, but tonight he started off feeling a bit relaxed – after all, without pretense it was easier to just get things done. Though relaxed, he hadn’t let his guard down completely. When the stranger stepped out of the alley a few feet ahead, his hand was into his coat and his revolver out of its holster quickly.
“Relax,” said the shrouded figure. “I only have a message.” The figure knelt and placed an envelope on the sidewalk in front of Elite Ferret, then backed away. Elite Ferret walked forward and knelt…
The <<Crack>> of the sniper rifle sounded the moment Ferret squatted and became immobile. The thirty-ought-six round struck the back of his head, killing him instantly. He crumpled softly to the pavement. Inside the envelope was a simple typed message: “Dal capitano, con Amor.”
On his way home, norwegian nerd tried to play it safe. He stuck to busy streets, paused to wait for a beat-cop to “shadow” him where possible, and always kept an eye out for escape routes. But he couldn’t avoid the lobby of his own building.
As he walked in, the night clerk of his building seemed strangely quiet and unmoving. Nerd paused long enough to note that something was wrong, when the first bolt struck from behind, through the doorway.
The heavy steel quarrel, though slowed by the armored vest, was a non-deforming penetrator, so it wen’t through the vest and into nerd’s left kidney. He staggered forward.
A man stepped from behind the night-clerk – who’d been dead for 20 minutes and only stood courtesy of the spikes nailing him to the front desk, now slumping with nobody holding his head up from behind – leveled his own crossbow at nerd and fired. The bolt took nerd in the pit of the stomach, puncturing the diaphragm.
The shooter spoke as he leaned behind the desk for a second crossbow. “So, who’s your buddy?”
A second man stepped into the doorway nerd had just vacated, leveling a second crossbow of his own. This man didn’t speak, he just put a bolt into nerd’s other kidney. nerd dropped to his knees, unable to get a deep breath and bleeding badly from internal wounds.
“Having trouble talking?”
The inside shooter leveled his crossbow.
“I’ll help clear your throat.”
The quarrel took nerd straight in the Adam’s apple, transfixing his throat and burying the point of the bolt into his spine. Nerd fell over and died quickly, passing out before death finally took him.
The silent shooter turned on the “room available” sign as the killers departed.
Shlin28 ran when he heard the footsteps behind him. Paranoia wasn’t an illness in Fatlington, it was a survival skill. In his haste, however, he’d ended up in one of the few alleys on the block with no exit…of all the luck. His luck continued as he fumbled and dropped his weapon as he turned to face his assailants.
The two assassins behind him weren’t interested in neatness – just results. A pair of fragmentation grenades bounced into the alley next to shlin. Neither went off. Both assassins went for their pistols next, while shlin knelt to desperately try and find his own weapon.
Just as the two killers opened fire, the heavy metal back door of the neighboring restaurant opened into the alley, providing a heavy metal shield for shlin – who decided he’d had enough luck, bad and good, for one evening and ran into the restaurant to make his escape. The perplexed dishwasher watched as shlin raced by him, then went to dump the trash. Both grenades went off and turned him to hamburger.
Neither of the attackers was ever identified.
Ironside had made it home safely…when he noticed his front door was ajar.
<<Not good!>>
He backed away, scanned the surrounding area, and then went quickly to his neighborhood café to use the phone. He’d just sat down in the booth when the phone rang – and then blew to pieces from the hidden explosives placed there. Ironside was killed instantly.
The man sitting at the counter reading the newspaper put the paper down. He picked up the gun hidden beneath it and gestured for the counterman to turn around.
“Just so you’ll stay quiet,” he said, and cracked the man over the head with his pistol. He dropped a white rose on the torn corpse of Ironside as he left to join his accomplice at the phone booth down the block.
The counterman died two days later, never regaining consciousness.
Morning Meeting, Day Fourteen
“So that’s what we know about last night,” said Fermanagh. The Commissioner looked around the room. It was tense this morning and the chief was anything but comfortable.
“Our follow-on investigations have produced the following results. Night 11 appears to have been a battle. The town lost two good citizens, Myrddraal the Surgeon and Doctor Draco Leman. Our losses were heavy. Caeser the III was an innocent townie by all accounts. We had one success. Warluster, whoever killed him, did Fatlington a favor by dieing. Our sources have confirmed that he was a mafia Luca. Unfortunately, we lost two doctors to the Mafia’s one. Your lynch choice was sound, Charge checked out as a Made Gangster working for one of the families. I wish the news were better.”
“The news is adequate,” said Craterus. “Adequate enough to our purpose I assure you. Now, as to tonight’s “departure….”
Craterus smiled faintly.
“…we’ll follow our usual...democratic...approach to the vote."
OOC
Significant Change necessitated by un-pardonable error on part of host. I regret the inconvenience that I know this must cause. I offer no excuses. If a majority of you wish to discontinue play, I will honor that request.
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1. Day Fourteen Lynch vote commences. This day phase will finish 0900 EDT (1300 GMT) on 3/12/8.
2. Results/promotions/etc. will be sent later as time permits (no later than tomorrow 1200 EDT 3/11/8).
3. Current List of Players:
Still Alive: (14) Caius, CountArach, Craterus, gibsonsg91921, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Leet Erikson, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Xehh II.
Attacked: (36) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Brave Sir Robin (N7), Caius (N3), Charge (N9), Craterus (N6), Crazed Rabbit (N6), Cowhead418 (N2), Elite Ferret (N10, N12), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Ichigo (N9), Kagemusha (N6), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5, N6, N7, N8, N9), Sasaki Kojiro (N5, N7), shlin28 (N13), taka (N2), Tran (N5, N7, N8), TinCow (N7), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)
Murdered: (36) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4), Chimpyang (N5), Kamikhaan (N5), Motep (N5), Rythmic, (N5), woad&fangs (N5), ajaxfetish (N6), FactionHeir (N6), Lt. Pinard (N6), Louis VI the Fat (N6), Husar (N7), NorthNovas (N7), Makanyane (N8), Sarathos (N8), Tran (N8), Haudegen (N9), Cowhead418 (N10), Ichigo (N10), LittleGrizzly (N10), Myrddraal (N11), Warluster (N11), Brave Sir Robin (N12), Elite Ferret (N13), Ironside (N13), norwegian nerd (N13).
Killed During an Attack: (1) Evil_Maniac from Mars (N8).
Lynched: (13) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), Andres (D5), Xdeathfire (D6), Dutch_guy (D7), Sigurd Fafnesbane (D8), Hiji (D9), Crazed Rabbit (D10), Charge (D11), TinCow (D12), Kukrikhan (D13).
Removed from Play: (15) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4), Warmaster Horus (N5), Rob_the_Celt (N5), molonthegreat (N5), johnhughthom (D8), Alexander the Pretty Good (N9), Big King Sanctaphrax (N9), Roadkill (N9), Caeser the III (N11), Draco Leman (N11), JimBob (N12), Jubal_Barca (N12).
Wow.....
I can see our peace lasted... :tongue:
IMPORTANT MESSAGE:
Due to a mistake in the first write-up of the previous night, the host has requested to delete all messages posted before the correct write-up had been posted.
I assume the host will now extend this voting round.
So, I'm confused. What's the mistake? Has it been corrected?
Is it night or day?
In the first write-up, Elite Ferret survived the attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
It's day.
Weird, I swear when I logged off this morning there were 123 pages, now there's only 122, what happened?
The write-up showed Elite Ferret being attacked and surviving. There was then several hours of debate and voting. Then the night write-up was changed to show that Elite Ferret was killed. All the posts made before this change were deleted, because they were based on an error that did not exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xehh II
As to the 'new' events, Elite Ferret was killed by 2 people. Obviously the mafia truce has not held.
Which makes for an interesting and bloody finale. :duel:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
My condolences to Tataglia family. It is unfortunate that one of us is dead, but this doesnt change anything. In order to respect EliteFerret and his family, Vote: Caius traitors should die.
Yeah... Good going mafia :wall:
I am hoping there was a plan behind this, because there will be retaliations against Kage or Craterus. I bet this is orchestraded by the brain dead goons not responding to the Don meeting invite.
:no:
BTW: Elite Ferret's family will receive Corleone reinforcement. I was holding on to my surviving members for just such a betrayal.
Vote: Shlin28
I'll get him ere the day is gone.
Kag, try to split vote on him and Caius! The traitors will be dead by midnight.
Sigurd, my family leaves roses behind. I had nothing to do with Ferrets death and i can control my people so there couldnt have been an "accident" either.
A combined mafia victory was never possible, CA. The game mechanics don't allow it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
At the last footbal (soccer) World Cup, the final four remaining teams were all from the EU. This led to some boasting about an 'EU victory'. For those identifying with the EU maybe morally it was, but not in fact. If the EU wanted a unified victory, the EU should've unified fully and send in a single team. They didn't. If the four EU teams would've refused playing each other after reaching the semi-finals, they would've been disqualified, and the best quarter-finalist from the other countries would've been named the winner.
An apt parallel I think. The mafia families can play together and beat the town. However, if they wanted a unified victory, they should've all unified themselves fully by joining a single family during the game. The rules allow it, but it didn't happen. And similarly again, if they would've refused to play on (ie family v family) after killing all townies, they would all get disqualified (WoG'ed). Meaning a town win by default. So at some point the mafia war had to begin, voluntarily or unvoluntarily.
Louis was right. One family heeded my advice. They will win. :book:
It was either town or one of the families. If it was town, i congratulate for an succesful hit. If it was a baskstab, it will doom the trecherous family. Your logic is flawed, aggression will only give death in this kind of situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Kage, what do you mean? Two of the remaining families are doomed anyway. You really think there's some truce still?
Vote: Kage
So you think Prole. Town is doomed if anything is doomed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Yeah, the town lost. Just like two of the three families will. Not sure why you're pretending there's another possible ending.
Im not pretending anything. All i can say is that i didnt kill don Tataglia. Either it was town,trying to drive us and Cunnio against each other, or Cunnio, which would be very stupid of Cunnio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Well, it couldn't have been town. The hit was by 2 people. That means that it was a mafia hit. Under the somewhat bizarre circumstances of the current end-game situation, I could see the possibility of Seamus allowing a "town mafia" family to be created, but even that would require two Mades, to allow for a "town Don" before the family could operate with two person kills.
Even assuming that the town had multiple wiseguys on hand with enough kills ready to move immediately up to Made status, they still would have had to make at least two kills in three person groups to get two people up to Made level. The town simply didn't have time to achieve this. By the nature of the fact that it was a 2 person hit, the hit HAD to be carried out by the mafia. Obviously they declined to leave a calling card because they did not want to identify themselves so blatantly. So, the question is simply which family did it, not whether it was mafia or town.
Each family has a signature.You cant leave it out from a hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
unvote:shlin,Vote:Cauis
Must make sure the town is eliminated.
I am Vote: Kagemusha
I guess a made and a wiseguy can successfully kill.
Me thinks the mafia should go through the list of vig nights to see which of the townies that have participated in enough killings to reach a status where they can operate in twos.
There must be a reason Seamus made that initial mistake and one would be that it normally wouldn't succeed.
Arent you a Cunnio?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xehh II
I'll take your word for it. The 'taunt' left by the killers does seem somewhat familiar with the early game hit on Andres that was later edited out because he was Director. I know we were talking about this a few (game) days ago. Didn't that hit have a similar comment said to the victim? If I remember correctly, it said something about Don Barzini. I have no idea who belongs to what family anymore, so I can't point any fingers at a particular person or persons, but if you're right and a calling card is mandatory, my money would be on whoever it was that tried to off Andres early on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
The mistake seems clear to me. The original version sounded like a failure due to luck, which we all know that Dons have the first time they are attacked while unprotected. Since Elite Ferret was never attacked before N13, that should apply to him... unless it only applies to people who started the game as Dons. If EF's original Don was killed and he rose to that position, he probably wouldn't have gotten the luck ability that all starting Dons had. Thus, Seamus probably just forgot that EF wasn't a starting Don and gave him a survival by luck that he shouldn't have had. Of course, this assumes that EF wasn't a stating Don. Again, I have no idea who is in what family, so if EF was a starting Don, you can add a +1 to the "really confused observers" column.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
That hit was a "favour" hit. Each Don had a favour that they could collect from one other Don. I had to give my made investigations results to Tataglia as a favour. Don Cunnio made that hit as a "favour" for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
The town might just be wanting to frame a mafia family for the hit.
Note that a sniper rifle was used as in previous hits that occurred.
Secondly, the town might still have a serial killer pro town who paired up with a bystander townie (who would have no input in the kill other than be present) to make the kill and have it appear as a mafia hit.
Why did you want me dead so early in the game? I thought you loved me :bigcry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
No way, the mistake was a Luca protection clearly. Someone pulled up in a car, pushed a girl to take the bullet. EF leapt in, and drove off. The driver said "Sorry about the girl" EF says "That's ok".Quote:
The mistake seems clear to me. The original version sounded like a failure due to luck, which we all know that Dons have the first time they are attacked while unprotected.
But obviously the mistake was simple, the Luca was not protecting his Don. It seems to me that someone knew that EF would not be protected, and informed one of the other families. Finally some proper, cunning play.
If this is the case (and it's only a theory, but it would be cool if it was), then I say bravo! you deserve to win Don Capitano :bow:
Kage, I gave you my word and I kept it. My family did not attack Elite Ferret.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
We used our one (and only) possible hit on Norwegian Nerd (EDIT: as was agreed) and the Cunnio calling card has now been seen for the first time in the game. We use crossbows (and oddly enough, planned to drop roses at all the deaths, but since that's your signature, I guess Seamus has omitted that part of the family signature - clearly we think alike). My family does not use guns, we did not kill EF.
You must have done, Seamus would not have let Kage change his sig for this kill, the town cannot kill with just two people and your sig has never been seen before. You killed me and should be lynched for it.
edit: my luca died ages ago as everyone should know as a detective had results on her.
Ah, that finally explains the comment that confused us townies for a long time. "Prego Don Barzini" was a statement saying you're welcome for fulfilling your favor. Is it possible that the EF hit was also a favor being called in by another family? You say that Barzini and Tataglia used their favors, and Stracchi is dead. However, that still leaves Corleone (who apparently still have some members left) and Cunnio. Perhaps the Corleone people did the hit as a favor for Cunnio, or vice versa?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Maybe i wanted the attacker or atleast one of them dead. you were protected that night by your guards as you were a director. Or maybe i just made a honest mistake by using my favor on target that was automatically protected. or maybe i just wanted to see what would happen.~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Vote Kage, die mafia die! (We can't lynch directors right? Grrrrr...)
If anyone wants to attack me, try to do that :yes:. This doctor still has several tricks up my sleeves... :beam:
Thats possible in theory.but only the original Dons could call in the favors, so that leaves us with only the Cunnio in theory, since the Corleone Don is dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Vote:Kagemusha
If I'm still alive, this vote goes to you. Because I'm such a good guy :beam:
FOS Caius, clear bandwagon.:laugh4: Am i now the main evil in the eyes of town?You do also remember that you can lynch a director?:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
2 killers + dead target = mafia hit
:beam:
Funny how some mafiosos don't see the end of it yet.
CR
What's the point? FOS Teh Evil MafiaQuote:
FOS Caius
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
FoS Craterus and his family, they broke the truce.