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FoS: the townies who are trying to mess up the minds of decent, honest and hard working mafiosi.
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Originally Posted by Andres
Elite Ferret, I put this to you: Who killed NN? I have only two members in my family. That gives us one kill. It had to be NN, crossbows have not been seen in the game until this stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
Kage has two kills at his disposal, one (AFAIK) is accounted for.
Also, and I promise you this, the Cunnio family signature DID contain roses (originally, we had a crossbow bolt with a red rose tied to it) and now that we've had our first kill, Seamus may have removed the rose part for both families so as to avoid (or create?) confusion.
Fact is, I could not possibly have killed you. I told you both in PM that I would be going after Norwegian_Nerd and he is now dead. No-one else has claimed this kill and no-one else can claim the kill signature that was used on him. Your death clearly came from elsewhere and I'm looking at Kage.
There was no rose left in the elite ferret write up. We were not responsible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Unvote: Shlin28 Vote: Kagemusha
There was no rose left in ours. However, that message I sent so long ago clearly said "We will use crossbows with a rose attached to the bolt or left in the victim's breast pocket of their suit."Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
However, I don't think I have the PM anymore, inbox has been frantic for the past month. So, we are stuck without an explanation. At least until the end game.
We couldnt have killed EliteFerrets.We have to leave a rose to all our kills,simple as that. Also i wouldnt give away my protection to kill anyone.EDIT: Craterus,you cant use our insignia, so missing your roses is waste of time.
If anyone knows and doesn't mind telling, who are/were the "Italian Destiny" family? Those guys were my #1 fear for a long time, but now we're down to roses and crossbows, so they seem to have disappeared.
Firstly Kage, you made it quite clear to everyone that attacking you would be fruitless. This certainly made it fairly risk-free to go killing last night.
As for the rose: I have already said that a rose was part of my own family's kill signature. I asked you a few days ago if you had sent in about roses because, as my family had not killed at that point, I did not know if the kill signatures had been randomised through the families. I wanted to find out if you had been assigned roses, or really had chosen them because, believe it or not, I really did choose roses for us too. Red ones though.
Now that my family has entered into the business of killing, there will be 2 family signatures with roses. Seamus may have decided to abandon that part of the signature. I don't see why not.
Its the Tataglia, i bet they can tell themselves who they are. Currently im puzzled about these events.I have been voted by one Cunnio and one Tataglia,what are you people doing? Specially Gibsons? Did you betray your own family for Cunnio´s?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
There was only one rose left. All the barzini kills have had a rose. So you suggest craterus, that seamus decided that one barzini kill tonight would leave a rose and the other wouldn't? Your story is full of holes :bow:
Well what part you dont understand? We cant kill without our insignia, was our insignia on ferrets corpse? And why is your guy voting me? It seems you have had a pretty nice plan to get rid of us other Dons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
I have PM'd Xehh, no answer yet. I'm not sure what he's doing.
Hmm, I meant to check if a rose had been left on your other target. Crossbow was used on NN, but not on EF. It was nothing to do with the Cunnio. Perhaps the EF kill needs to be re-read looking for 4 participants?
Could Kage's family have killed Elite Ferret as a called-on favour for another family? This would explain the original description with the rose, but also the new description with the message. I don't know if they're allowed to reveal whom they did it for, but if they did, who should be blamed? Kage for killing Ferret, or the other Don for calling in this favour?
The original description didn't have a rose, it had elite ferret surviving after being protected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Hmm...interesting.
Kage, you have the word of the Cunnio that our hit was on NN. We invited one of yours (we discussed this) to kill with us, but you didnt want him infaltrating us. Ask him for the PM that will prove that we didnt do it.
Also, I thought of the bloody rose. Ask CA, in a PM he and I laughed about it, saying great minds think alike. Craterus suggested a crossbow. I personally wanted Cunnio carved into it, but Craterus suggested that would distract from the killing. So, there you have it. CA can prove that i already told him we had a rose too, and you yourself can ask ---- (no name sorry town :laugh4:) to send you the "night orders".
So there are two possibiltys. 1. The barzini killed EF in an attempt to accuse the Cunnio. They were doing this so that the remaining Tatagalia allied with them.
2. The town has people we know nothing of. Perhaps 3 wiseguys, or maybe a rogue killer?
Either way, EF died, and it was not at the hands of the Cunnio.
I owed our favor to Tataglia and Tataglia has got it in form off our made investigations.Don Tataglia can confirm this.maybe the Don Cunnio would be so kind and tell who owed them a favor and has it been collected?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Long ago. And it was wasted. Don Tataglia owed me the favour.
Didn't it? Then what's all this talk about roses? Can someone with more inside knowledge explain?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Thats your answer? I guess we have found the backstabber.:shame:Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Are people ignoring what I posted? :inquisitive:
So it was Craterus calling on Don Tataglia? Who is Tataglia, anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Elite Ferret is Don Tataglia, he can tell you. But if you're going to accuse me based on such a thing. I asked for the death of kamikhaan. Believing him to be in charge of a vigilante group, I thought it was a good idea. Turns out Prole (my second choice) would have been a much better idea.
Thanks for giving a decent answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
But there was no mention of favours in the description of kamikhaan's death, and that was the only attack he'd experienced. How does that match up with your claim of kami being Tataglia's favour for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Seamus has pointed out multiple times that the game is not over. The town may yet have weapons at its disposal that the mafia know nothing of.
If a Don is lynched today, I suspect that the last Don will be murdered during the night, resulting in a townie victory. :shame:
Uh because I can remember what happened? He got lanced. And I'm fairly sure the kill even said that he seemed an unlikely target. Haven't checked.
Also, why would I have saved my favour until this point in the game? They need to be used early or risk becoming obsolete.
Mafia:
What on earth are you doing??!?!
This is nuts. At least keep it together long enough to kill all the townies first.
The kill was done by the Italian destiny group, whatever that was. Was that a mark of a favour? Can the other Dons confirm that the destiny group is the work of families carrying out their favours?Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
If Craterus' story is confirmed, then this still means EF was killed on the orders of another Don, but no-one knows which, nor who ordered it. Unless, that is, the Dons pipe up themselves, which isn't likely. A comparison of favours asked and favours owed may be useful here, although it may be more difficult to confirm early kills, since the actors may be dead and unable to confirm anything now.
I assure you Pann, Tataglia are the Italian Destiny Group.
Quoted for the truth. look at those people who are currently voting mafia. I really wonder whats up with them. I think im the only mafia player together with Sasaki voting town.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Omanes has said this so I think I'm ok to re-iterate.
To my knowledge, each Don was owed one favour and owed one favour to another Don. Oddly enough, mine went to EF (on kamikhaan) and Kage's came to me (Andres). Unless EF took the hit out on himself, this wasn't the product of a favour.
Vote: Caius
Again, the mafia has spoken :whip:
Yeah, I doubt many realise Kage has about three votes on him at the moment. Not necessary with the still living townies, now is it ?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
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If that's so, then the only answer must be whichever family whose trademark hasn't been seen before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
FWIW, the message translates as (according to googletranslate) "The captain, with love".
kage 5 (prole, xehh,shlin,caius,gibson)
cauis 3 (kage,sasaki,truePraetorian)
You are allowed variations upon your calling card. Yellow rose, white rose, black rose etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
To prove it, we will kill one of you annoying townie rats tonight. We will of course tell Barzini and Tat who it is, so they can watch for the Calling Card. That will prove it.
Finish the remaining town? Those 3 leftover innocents? lol.. you have bigger threats on your own side. I still wonder who and how they did it, but it must've been a mafia hit on EF. Why? well, look at the remaining pro-town's. Their roles. They aren't capable of killing with 2 people. No matter how strange it must be that EF was killed by mafia, it's the only option.
btw, fine tally
It seems I really am being ignored.
Is there a blank, empty post for anyone else right above this one? Must be some board error.
So whose calling card would that "Dal Capitano" message be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I see FactionHeir's post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Do I have to report you to Andres for being offensive...:devilish:
Neither do I see a post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Bah, no luck surviving tonight. :thumbsdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
3. A few mafia (and/or wise guys) got some special objectives that involves eliminating all dons to become a new family with an own don. That would probably mean that lynching dons at this point is bad for all of you mafia, before you can figure out who was doing what. :book:
IIRC the wolf had to eliminate all dons last capo, so Seamus might've put something like that in this round. He seems to like groups with special roles this time around.
Mafia would certainly explain how the killers knew that 4 lucas were dead and that the fourth luca was EF:s.
TP you mentioned that Craterus lacked a luca, making me trying to find out in vain who the two remaining lucas was. No idea to attack dons if they're defended by lucas aren't it? Killing lucas would open up the field if some mafia family wanted to brake the peace (and someone certainly did), while killing dons would only get the town closer to the final loss.
Didn't have enough time and people to arrange a vig kill to get one of those luca candidate to open up the endgame though, in case you wonder what the town was up to. :no:
But this was a nice surprise. :beam:
Is dal capitano italian? I don't know languages very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Yes, it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Check with Babelfish or Googletranslate. GT translates it as "The captain, with amor".Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Dal Capitano, con amor = From the Captain, with love.
Makes you wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Vote: Caius
Don't shoot me if I've got the numbers wrong (too late for that) but on rough tally from the story thread Rose mafia and Destiny mafia had 7 successful kills each. Most of those 14 were later confirmed as townie pests.
Cunnio's according to their own story here finally decided to turn up and put there sig on a killing last night.
Thanks for all the help securing the mafia win you'd now like to share guys... :thumbsup:
Now could someone actually remember to get rid of the obvious remaining townies before it turns into a sad tale of mutual destruction?
Vote Caius
Kage, I wouldn't be so surprised why I voted for you, considering you and your family killed my Don.
TinCow, you were right to fear the Italian Destiny gang - after Myrddraal, your surgeon, you were next. Too bad you got lynched and I never got revenge, haha.
In what do you base that? Thats nonsense and you know that.If i would have killed your Don,our mark would have been left there.Funny that not even your Don is not accusing me,but you are? All the mafia will vote Caius,are you a traitor townie? Im bit confused about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921
Die traitor. Vote: Caius
RIP Caius, great fighter of the Fatlington cause.
You are being surprisingly naive for a Don who has lasted so long. Cunnio killed EF and they're trying to frame you for it. It appears that they have at least 4 members other than their Don. With Craterus as Director, their Luca was free to kill last night, allowing them to get 2 hits in. One was whichever townie they claim to have offed, the other was EF which they somehow disguised the calling card on. They will probably switch their votes to you en-masse at the last minute to get you lynched. That will leave them with both opposing Dons dead in one Night/Day cycle, and with their Don in the Director spot. With at least 4 other members, they can do two kills at night, which will allow them to gut the remaining Barzini tonight. After tonight, Cunnio will be the only group in the game able to make kills at night. Game over, victory Cunnio.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
Erm, TinCow, two things:
1) Lucas can't kill alone
2) My Luca is dead
Fine, but by my count you still have 4 people other than yourself. Mades can kill with wiseguys, so a Luca is not required.
Kage has 4 people other than himself. Neither of us is in a position to win this. There's a reason for the truce, you know, and the remaining townies are priority #1 of course.
Bah you mafia cowards, can't even put up a proper fight . :furious3:
There is 3 of Cunnios. You almost got us against each other with your stunt.Good job remaining town.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Does everyone know which way the wiseguys are aligned? If they're not all accounted for, wouldn't they be rather "useful" for families with an odd number of killing members? Ie. we only have 3 members, thus we can only manage 1 kill - neglecting to mention the loose wiseguy who can up this to 2.
Well seeing as I've missed a bit I'll Vote:Kage due to prompting
Well, seeing as i dont want to be left out...
Unvote: Caius
Vote: Kagemusha
Die mafia scum! :whip:
Sorry Kag, its just business
Vote: Kage
kage 8 (prole, xehh,shlin,caius,gibson,TwilightBlade, scottishranger,truePraetorian)
cauis 5 (kage,sasaki,Joe Monks,CountArach,LeetErickon)
Are you one of the remnants of the Tataglia?Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
I've been wondering about mafia on mafia hits, and whether they have to leave calling cards in these cases. It might be worth checking up with Seamus on this, and if it turns out they don't need to leave signs, then those thusly proving their innocence would look very dubious indeed.
Bah, these mobsters don't deserve that name!
They're scared of a few remaining townies. Sure says something about their confidence when each individual family outnumbers the remaining townies, but they still quake in fear! Bah! Tis not a great shame to lose to killers, but to lose to a bunch of pansies...
:shame:
Or wait...
So, the 'truce' lasted for all of 1/2 a night when the chips were down.Quote:
kage 8 (prole, xehh,shlin,caius,gibson,TwilightBlade, scottishranger,truePraetorian)
cauis 5 (kage,sasaki,Joe Monks,CountArach,LeetErickon)
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CR
How do you explain Dutch_Guy killing on his own after the strachi family was ripped apart?Quote:
1) Lucas can't kill alone
However, If I'm not a 1.000 miles off your luca is indeed dead.
I think DG was killing with gibson or another of the Stracchi recruits.
Trust me, Lucas cannot kill alone.
For God's sake... :wall:
LOL. Looks more like the Cunnios have stopped bothering trying to play it sly. They're just going to lynch you. The only chance the Barzinis now have is to work with the remaining townies to lynch Craterus. Good luck trying to get that one organized. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
TinCow, would you mind posting that Illuminati declaration now? I need something to take my mind off this mess.
The Barzinis are finished, Cunnio just has to mop up the rest of the opposition.
Though if the mafia must win, I'm glad it's the Cunnios. Heck, I feel almost like family.
:beam:
CR
well well, looks like scum can't be trusted after all.
Theres no honour among thieves.
He is a Cunni(ng) manQuote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Firstly, an apology to Kage. The mafia could never function properly with the 2 of us opposed. There is too much suspicion and disunity. I know you were probably planning my demise so I decided to beat you to the punch while I had the advantage. You were/are (the former, I hope) a worthy adversary.
This brings me to my second point. I implore what's left of the Barzini family to join mine. A family war now will hand the game to the town. I propose that we stop the killing (I'm a pacifist ~;) why else were the Cunnio so quiet for the whole game?) and take the win. Of course, if you really must take revenge, then you can go for that but in the interest of a mafia win, I suggest the first proposed plan of action. The greater good and everything.
Let me know guys.