Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

Vote: Diana Abnoba

This is deeply depressing.

Unvote, Vote: pevergreen

You may find Beskar undiplomatic, but that doesn't mean he's in league with Andross. All the arguments I see is a bunch of cornerians who are angry their power roles almost all got killed and now they are lashing out against the only person they can.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Are you going to blame me if pevergreen turns out Cornerian?

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You are misreading/misunderstanding the post, intentions and implications. Also, you forgetting the situation I am currently in.

As for pevergreen, he is guilty untill proven innocent whether by investigation or when dead. He is a far better choice than the majority I have investigated or been otherwise cleared.

I think at this point Beskar should just post his list of unknowns, and then each day the town takes down one person on the list. Portions of the town are obviously becoming desperate (with good reason) and I think this may be the only way to calm the town down and re-set everyone's focus.

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Originally Posted by Frozen In Ice

I think at this point Beskar should just post his list of unknowns, and then each day the town takes down one person on the list. Portions of the town are obviously becoming desperate (with good reason) and I think this may be the only way to calm the town down and re-set everyone's focus.

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There is ample number of suspects named in the thread already, wideeyewanderer, Nightbringer, Chaotix, pevergreen, Death is Yonder, Shlin28.

There is only a couple more I don't know the identities of, which I won't reveal, as it will reveal who is definitely cleared.

At the current rate of +1 inv, +1 lynch, we should have definitely found the mafia in the max of 4 rounds.

Obviously lynching me removes the inv and wastes a lynch, which lengthens the game by 5 rounds to a total of 9. Then there are those who will not vote for these names for reasons beyond rational thought, like Khazaar who just voted for a previously revealed innocent, etc, Which pretty much spells the doom of the town and mafia victory.

Almost all of Team Star Fox revealed themselves openly and they were killed one by one because of it. I believe the reason Team Star Wolf is still alive is because none of them are known to anyone other then Beskar. Keeping him alive would give the mafia the best chance of allowing Team Star Wolf to be outed publicly so they can be night killed or possibly even lynched as we can clearly see happening here. If the other wolf members were outed, the town would have a field day lynching them out of frustration and to his credit, keeping them secret is the best move Wolf has made thus far. Let us not forget his role in pinman's demise and that has to count for something. However, I do disagree with keeping the list of unknowns secret since it limits the town to mostly voting for your chief suspect when the town may find others in the list more satisfactory to be lynched. Overall though, disregarding that particular aspect of it, it is a relatively sound strategy and it is only a matter of time before Andross is discovered.

Vote: pevergreen

Give wolf a little more time before releasing the hounds. For the moment, time is still an ally.

I would have set-up a TIN which would have been the "proven innocents" in it. But Pizza disabled that, due to people rulebreaking.

well it look like Beskar is advocating Pevergreen at this point. Since the Lynch attempt on Beskar seems to be safely failing im going to keep my vote on wideeyed wanderer because i think someone so viciously going after star wolf is pretty dangerous. and we do know that he isnt neutral. which could mean either town or mafia.
as to the suggestion of me, i suggest you scan me so i can be a trusted member of the debate and dont take up more of people's time

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Originally Posted by Renata

This is just false, Chaotix. Andross' kills have been anything but random for at least four nights running. Three outed Star Fox members and me. It's even plausible that Andross thought he might be killing a Star Wolf member when he attacked me, what with Beskar's "wink wink nudge nudge I know you're a cornerian" business -- though more likely I was just killed because I was obvious town.

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Then why hasn't Beskar been killed, by either Andross or Question Marks? With ???'s kill patterns, there's no way he could still be a pro-town vigilante, there's no way a vigilante could justify killing me unless he's killing people at random. They're clearly both mafia, and if independent of Star Wolf, why have neither of them targeted even one Wolf member yet? Beskar's been a revealed power role since day 4, even if neutral, you just don't leave power roles alive that long.

Vote:pevergreen

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

Maybe Andross saw Star Fox as a bigger threat and has focused on getting rid of him. or maybe andross thinks that star wolf will have an objective change that places them on the same side. all i know is that the venomian objective is still to defeat the big bad. with that in consideration, i am going to follow the best leader we have (Beskar) and vote:wideeyedwanderer

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Let's see...

Beskar: Leader of a power role team, probably protected
Double A: scanner that can't detect mafia and part of a power role team, possibly protected.

If I were Andross, and Andross were me, Beskar would be dead a LONG time ago. Way before Slippy.

The mafia can just get the town to lynch me, and thereby turning the town against the Star Wolf team and the Star Wolf team won't work with the town, because the town would just lynch them waton.

On the otherhand, Star Fox team has immunity from lynching, because of their name.

So killing off Star Fox makes Star Wolf look scummy, and turns the town against Star Wolf. Pretty simple and effective plan. Look at this phase, it is proof that it is working for them.

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Originally Posted by Double A

Let's see...

Beskar: Leader of a power role team, probably protected
Double A: scanner that can't detect mafia and part of a power role team, possibly protected.

If I were Andross, and Andross were me, Beskar would be dead a LONG time ago. Way before Slippy.

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Just going off what you said going after double a looks like a better bet. Beskar is the only revealed star wolf, so he is going to be protected every time. star fox and other power roles are revealing everywhere so they cant all be protected. just keep hitting star fox members and they will keep falling, in other words, exactly what has happened

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Originally Posted by Beskar

The mafia can just get the town to lynch me, and thereby turning the town against the Star Wolf team and the Star Wolf team won't work with the town, because the town would just lynch them waton.

On the otherhand, Star Fox team has immunity from lynching, because of their name.

So killing off Star Fox makes Star Wolf look scummy, and turns the town against Star Wolf. Pretty simple and effective plan. Look at this phase, it is proof that it is working for them.

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It's not simple at all. It easily could have been stopped if Star Wolf and/or Star Fox vigged someone, assuming either team had the ability.

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Originally Posted by Double A

It's not simple at all. It easily could have been stopped if Star Wolf and/or Star Fox vigged someone, assuming either team had the ability.

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vigged?

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

vigged?

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"vigilante kill"

refers to when non-mafia perform a night kill.

Unvote: Vote: pevergreen I will also follow Falco's and Beskar's advice. *crosses fingers, and hopes he is one of the mafia* Better an unknown player, than a pro town player people.

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Originally Posted by Secura

This is just plain rude; I have a playstyle of my own that, in just as many cases as it does not, proves to be better than Beskar's, and my votes have only correlated with Beskar's when there has been a genuine person that I've suspected.

I don't need to follow anyone like a sheep, and it's an unusual statement to come from one who keeps bleating anti-Beskar sentiment without thought for the ramifications that lynching him will have; have you not considered the alternative for why he's been kept alive?

You're chewing strips off him and that's exactly what the mafia wants; they don't need to kill Star Wolf when you're pushing for their lynches. I would urge anyone who is neutral in alignment, like Star Wolf, to ignore these inane ramblings and focus on finding the mafia.



How is it possible that Star Wolf and the Big Bad could have struck together a deal when private communication is forbidden? Even if such a deal had been struck at some point, it's hard to maintain something like that when you're not allowed to contact anyone.


As for my vote, I'm divided between three people currently and will re-evaluate after I've returned from work this evening and there's more to read.

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I know this post was a while ago, but I don't want to leave it unanswered.

If I offended you, then you have my apologies. :bow:

I did not mean to imply that simply following Beskar's orders was the extent to which you're playing the game. Obviously you have a distinct playstyle. However, you are more often than not on Beskar's side of the argument- you strengthen the arguments he makes with your own points, and you defend him when he's not around to do it himself.

However, dear, the admission by non-denial is rather telling. My guess was correct all the same, no?

To refute the arguments you made in this post:

-Again, if Star Wolf were actually looking for Andross they would have found him by now.
-Andross would not leave a team of five power roles alive just because I'm pushing for Beskar's lynch; and again, virtually nobody has been pushing for his lynch until last round or so.
-I assume Team Star Wolf has a means of communicating amongst themselves privately. I see no reason why a similar means could not be used to link Andross and Wolf together, especially if they are allied.

Oh, and I've been looking around the thread for more of the telltale signs of Team Star Wolf. Here's what I found:

Based on her voting patterns (i.e., look at the post above me) and her general support of Beskar, I'd venture an educated guess that Diana Abnoba is also part of Star Wolf.

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Originally Posted by TheFlax

This is deeply depressing.

Unvote, Vote: pevergreen

You may find Beskar undiplomatic, but that doesn't mean he's in league with Andross. All the arguments I see is a bunch of cornerians who are angry their power roles almost all got killed and now they are lashing out against the only person they can.

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Directed at me?

Regardless, have fun lynching whoever I replaced's vanilla role.

From one basic to another :shrug:

ATPG: Can I fly down Andros's tunnel of love and try to see his falanges? I promise to keep my arms, legs and falanges inside the cockpit at all times.

Unvote: Beskar. Vote: pever the green

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Directed at me?

Regardless, have fun lynching whoever I replaced's vanilla role.

From one basic to another :shrug:

ATPG: Can I fly down Andros's tunnel of love and try to see his falanges? I promise to keep my arms, legs and falanges inside the cockpit at all times.

Unvote: Beskar. Vote: pever the green

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Sorry, pever, it wasn't directed at you. I was saying "you" as a generalisation of players voting for Beskar.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

However, dear, the admission by non-denial is rather telling. My guess was correct all the same, no?

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So, if I denied it, you'd say that I was lying, and if I ignore it entirely, it makes it so anyway? o_O

Damned if you do, damned if you don't... that's not the best way to approach the game, in my opinion.

round ends in less than 4 hours.

Rather sleepy, so the update could be late; send in night actions immediately afterward. Writeup to follow when I wakeys.

Right, I'll try and stay objective on this post, and retain some sense of probability that Beskar is actually still neutral despite his actions. (Because I'm going to propose giving him one night's grace)


Note: Fairly Strong Tone, but I feel it necessary to highlight that Beskar is not our ultimate savior or something. Read with a pinch of salt, this is my opinion, substantiated with some fact and interpretations.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Disclaimer: I don't know about you, but I was rather trusting in Beskar's open leadership until I reviewed all of this material which I sourced. Several important contradictions and "jedi mind tricks" are contained within here.

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The bad news is, the Mafia are hiding within the lurkers, non-Orgahs and the replacements. While my last investigations have been searching within these areas, I keep hitting "n00bian defence force" "n00bian fighter". However, there is another problem with the list of lurkers/replacements/etc which haven't been investigated. Both Fox and Peppy are on it as well. This means the Mafia might hit the list which would be helpful, however, it would spell the end of Star Fox/Peppy if we end up lynching one of them or them getting night killed.

Lo and behold, are you psychic or merely the orchestrator of the future? :thinking:

So we have a choice. Either I reveal the list of those I don't know the identities of, perhaps giving away Fox and Peppy to the mafia, but inversely the list can be used by the mafia to lynch confirmed innocents.

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Highly counterproductive by Beskar at this point. Oh look, you basically just said, "power roles are in the replacement list", and look where that got Starfox.

I would like to very strongly note here, that Beskar is not proactively helping us with aforementioned results. Instead, he keeps it to himself, and only uses it when one of his likely compatriots come under fire. Why so defensive? Why aren't you sharing this information to help us all?

And most importantly, what is this choice you speak off, I see only one option presented, the option that doesn't put your or your team in deep water.

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Beskar: Contradictions, random nonsense I found

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In essence, the only single scrap of evidence that gives reason for us to trust Beskar is that he lynched Pinman, a known mafia. How many rounds was that ago? What developments have we seen till now? Lots of hot air about investigations on virtually everybody occurring.

Beskar says that he has investigated practically all orgahs, which leaves replacements, CFCs and newcomers. Why does Beskar assume that all targets of note reside within the orgah community?

Placing a relatively large database of people to individually question? Furthermore, what you propose is that hordes of power roles lie within that segment, since you say that all you've been hitting is "n00bian cornelians" etc?

Beskar suggest a highly improbable thing here, that by some probability that likely exceeds 1 in a million, every single orgah in this game is a n00bian character, leaving only CFC's, replacements and various others.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Star Fox killed you, not me.

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And where did your supposedly "extensive" information network that included every non-replacement orgah come in?

I will quote it again for special effects and all:

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Mafia are hiding within the lurkers, non-Orgahs and the replacements

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Then why did you let Beefy just stroll to his doom????

If still unsure about rational behind the hidden agenda thinking, open below spoiler

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Chain of Events IIRC:

Beskar says that he has investigated practically all orgahs, which leaves replacements, CFCs and newcomers. Why does Beskar assume that all targets of note reside within the orgah community?

Why?

He claims to have the information.

Beefy is a very well known orgah in the gameroom

Beefy waltzed to his lynch with Beskar keeping quiet, despite supposedly having information

Beefy was lynched and Beskar goes: What to do, were just following Starfox, its all their fault, etc etc. "Obviously Starfox messed up bigtime" and you get the general idea.

I don't know about you, but this screams hidden agenda, hidden motives, ulterior victory conditions.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

You missed the other ramification that lynching me will send Star Wolf team under-ground, because they won't assist the town in anyway, due to fear of getting lynched by people who are rabid about removing me on no grounds or basis what-so-ever.

Because of that, the list of innocents will also disappear, and the town will go around lynching eachother, while the mafia are laughing their heads off.

That is what happens when you try to eliminate pro-town mason group because of your own foolishness.

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Yet another contradiction in Beskar's list of psychological tricks. Then again, I'm not surprised, considering your background.

If you are lynched, and truly who you are, why would lynching you send the team underground?

Understandably they will continue underground rather than being sent underground because their public mouthpiece has been lynched.

But your choice of words is that:

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because they won't assist the town in anyway, due to fear of getting lynched by people who are rabid about removing me on no grounds or basis what-so-ever.

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At this point, I will like to interject if its not clear, that I am not accusing Beskar of falsely claiming Starwolf. I am accusing him of carrying a hidden agenda, possibly revenge against Starfox, to backstab him, and at very worse, resorting to consorting with Andross (temporarily) to unite against a common enemy: Fox.

Wouldn't this be highly ironic because it sounds just like the motivation for Wolf to ally temporarily with Fox? Just saying on an unrelated note (the latter).

I understand that some of you may have some doubts about what I'm saying at this point, so I'll simply direct you to keep reading.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Yes, because the best idea is to lose more pro-town roles by trying to lynch more.

When the truth of the matter is, I saved over 5 known townies Known townies? Yet where's this list, wheres all the substantiation to support all this? You must understand Beskar, you are a neutral person who has a history of being against Starfox, I wouldn't be surprised if you had a hidden agenda behind all this from being lynched randomly by the town and I alright out admitted to who I "haven't got a clue" on. So if you want to lynch more innocents for whatever reason then you definitely shouldn't be a town leader of any sort.

As I said, the mafia is hiding in a lurking in-active "CFC'er" or one of these replacements: Chaotix, Death is Yonder, pevergreen, Shlin28. The town can choose which one of the lurking CFC'ers or Replacements to lynch. If I already got a result on them, I will say.

This way, it is still potluck whether or not we get the mafia, but we still don't lynch more known townies.

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On a lighter note: (Less firm, because I'm not advocating a direct lynch of Beskar, just feeling the need to remind people of several things before blindly trusting him)

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The mafia can just get the town to lynch me, and thereby turning the town against the Star Wolf team and the Star Wolf team won't work with the town, because the town would just lynch them waton.

On the otherhand, Star Fox team has immunity from lynching, because of their name.

So killing off Star Fox makes Star Wolf look scummy, and turns the town against Star Wolf. Pretty simple and effective plan. Look at this phase, it is proof that it is working for them.

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Confused --> So now you say that Starfox has immunity from lynching because of their name? Evidently because they are definitely pro-town Beskar :shrug:

You are a neutral individual, and what I find extremely odd is that now you've taken to referring yourself as a pro-town role. The key idea of "neutrality" is that in this case you are neither here nor there. Referring to yourself as a pro-town role who is extremely critical to town efforts is incorrect IMO, I'm not seeing the need to constantly remind people on big speakers everywhere as if lynching you would lose the game for everyone but the mafia.

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People seem to forget the limited Mafia kills and the fact Star Fox all revealed themselves publicly.... So the reason Star Fox died is because of their own doing, mainly.

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Arguably so, but your team has defied all odds to come through without a single scratch on existing members as pointed out by the dead Starfox members

Conclusion: Would just like to remind everyone, that despite his continual proclamations of himself as a pro-town individual, whose removal would epicly cripple anti-mafia efforts, Beskar is a neutral person. Additionally, his tone has gradually changed since the Pinman incident. There, he explicitly claimed neutral and acted thusly so. Now? He's elevated himself to pro-town.

Vote: pevergreen

~For activity, and since this lynch is not going to be prevented

Yes I know I posted all this just before the deadline and all, which isn't probably going to have any effect on the present round, but my intentions were not to lynch Beskar.

I was re-reading to check for whom Beskar says is innocent and all for future reference, then all these caught my eye.

Additionally, right now basically people seem to have forgotten that Beskar is neutral AND has a history of animosity against Fox.

Not sure if you draw the same conclusions as me, but I personally feel that Beskar is hiding something, and this could be just another scam.

Lastly, I have this nagging feeling that Beskar is pulling off Mafia Mongolica Take 2 (Khaan's game, sometime last year)

It sounds vastly similar in a way.

For those unclear, it was a game where he as mafia, put his own teammate (who he had to remove in order for the final victory, but temporarily needed) in the open, to gain credibility. He expressed his lamentations that post-mortem reveals weren't allowed, busting his whole scheme.

Circa Present Day/Game [Star Fox Lylat Wars reveals upon death]

Star Fox Lylat Wars --> Pinman falsely exposes Beskar on charges easily batted aside, and the tables are turned, and suddenly Pinman is easily lynched and Beskar gains massive credibility which endures until now, as evidenced by in thread responses.

Am I the only one seeing this coincidence?

Also, in Beefy's recent game [Beefdom will Rise again]: I think that after successfully pulling off an early scam and using it to supplement his mafia victory, Beskar realized how important and potentially useful getting credibility in the early game is.

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Basically, I'm seeing Beskar slowly pushing himself forward on what credibility he got from Pinman's lynch.

I know people have argued that if they were on the same team, that would be stupid, but clearly, Beskar is needlessly contradicting himself, spreading bad information, blaming things on the Starfox team (beefy), and most importantly:

Recently, Beskar is verging on threatening people if they don't follow him. Its implied.

Its like "oh if you lynch me, we're gonna withdraw all support, then you are all going to lose".

I'm not liking that tone, its as if intimidating us for a specific purpose.

I am going to reply to your accusations, just to show how absurd they are. Your posts were a complete desperate attempt.

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results. Instead, he keeps it to himself, and only uses it when one of his likely compatriots come under fire. Why so defensive? Why aren't you sharing this information to help us all?

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Where to start?

The fact I gave about six names of people not investigated gives a big assisting hand of where the town to focus on the likely suspects. So that counters your "point" of not helping at all.

Also, why should I give the full list of information? So then the mafia could kill all the confirmed innocents and team Star Wolf? Also, Sorry, I want the unconfirmed suspects to die or be investigated for obvious reasons, as it would net us our mafia.

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Beskar says that he has investigated practically all orgahs, which leaves replacements, CFCs and newcomers. Why does Beskar assume that all targets of note reside within the orgah community?

Beskar suggest a highly improbable thing here, that by some probability that likely exceeds 1 in a million, every single orgah in this game is a n00bian character, leaving only CFC's, replacements and various others.

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Where are you even going with this? It doesn't make any sense. Saying the Mafia is hiding in CFC members which haven't been investigated or Replacements says exactly that. Are you going to attack my choice of investigating Psychonaut before Wideeyewander, Yaseikhaan before Nightbringer? Also, I don't even get your other point about 'noobian cornerians' when I actively protected a bunch of cornerians from getting lynched. So what you are saying again, is just waffle.

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Then why did you let Beefy just stroll to his doom????

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Because Star Fox said he was guilty and I hadn't investigated him?

I think I should get a bonus point.

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If you are lynched, and truly who you are, why would lynching you send the team underground?

Understandably they will continue underground rather than being sent underground because their public mouthpiece has been lynched.

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Because Star Wolf is above ground because of me, so lynching me would remove them from the town knowledge, also they won't assist the town because they keep trying to lynch us based on nonsense, just like any reasonable pro-town group would act.

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Known townies? Yet where's this list

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You accuse me of protecting people with one hand, then say I don't protect people with the other? Contradiction. Also, I am not going to post a list of known innocents for obvious reasons, but I have said on occasions who is a town. Infact, if you really want, I made a list of about six suspects who are not investigated. If you are clever, you will reverse this and you will realise I know the roles of approximately 14 people. :juggle:

I feel this is more about the fact you are on the suspect list and not one of the 14.

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You are a neutral individual, and what I find extremely odd is that now you've taken to referring yourself as a pro-town role. The key idea of "neutrality" is that in this case you are neither here nor there. blah blah blah

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So are all the Venomians? There are two town factions remember. Don't get your possible Cornerian/Andross underpants in a twist.

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Its like "oh if you lynch me, we're gonna withdraw all support, then you are all going to lose".

I'm not liking that tone, its as if intimidating us for a specific purpose.

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Yes, because lynching the last town investigator will obviously only benefit the town and not harm it in anyway.



Also, on some hilarious note, the ones mainly accusing me are infact the possible mafia suspects. Did accusing you harm your ego's or something because one of you was most likely the mafia? The only person voting me who isn't a mafia suspect is Psychonaut. (last time I checked the tally)

Simply put, the posts was not motivated by the fact that you accused me. But rather a general reminder that you aren't pro-town aligned.

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Your posts were a complete desperate attempt.

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Now Beskar, you are basically implying that I'm a desperate mafia whose trying to get you lynched?

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Also, why should I give the full list of information? So then the mafia could kill all the confirmed innocents and team Star Wolf? Also, Sorry, I want the unconfirmed suspects to die or be investigated for obvious reasons, as it would net us our mafia.

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That is not the main point of contention. Which is in fact that you seem to have ulterior motives.

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Where are you even going with this? It doesn't make any sense. Saying the Mafia is hiding in CFC members which haven't been investigated or Replacements says exactly that. Are you going to attack my choice of investigating Psychonaut before Wideeyewander, Yaseikhaan before Nightbringer? Also, I don't even get your other point about 'noobian cornerians' when I actively protected a bunch of cornerians from getting lynched. So what you are saying again, is just waffle.

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You're misinterpreting me, YOU stated that the unclears for you were CFCs, relatively new players, and replacements. Are you telling me that that sentence is not explicitly stating that you have knowledge of practically (if not) all orgah regulars?

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Because Star Fox said he was guilty and I hadn't investigated him?

I think I should get a bonus point.

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And how would I know this? With you going around claiming that you had the most comprehensive information network on tons of players.

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Yes, because lynching the last town investigator will obviously only benefit the town and not harm it in anyway.

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Right. Here again my motives are warped. Didn't I already state I'm not accusing you of lying about being Star Wolf and possibly having investigative powers? I'm actively proposing a theory that is fairly plausible IMO that you have ulterior motives. Stop warping my intentions.

Anyway, feel free to continually cite this for the next ~11 hours that I'm gone. Now if you'll excuse me.

I have to say, jumping in with this thesis on why Beskar shouldn't be trusted after 0 posts since you came in as a replacement is highly suspicious in my eyes. It sounds to me like mafia throwing everything they've got into breaking the towns trust of star wolf when suspicious are already being raised. This also makes it clear that you have been watching whats going on without posting, added scum.
I can't be sure but this just smells to me of scum. Silence to avoid attention followed by a burst of activity to frame an investigator as untrustworthy.
unvote; vote:Death is Yonder

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

I have to say, jumping in with this thesis on why Beskar shouldn't be trusted after 0 posts since you came in as a replacement is highly suspicious in my eyes. It sounds to me like mafia throwing everything they've got into breaking the towns trust of star wolf when suspicious are already being raised. This also makes it clear that you have been watching whats going on without posting, added scum.
I can't be sure but this just smells to me of scum. Silence to avoid attention followed by a burst of activity to frame an investigator as untrustworthy.
unvote; vote:Death is Yonder

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Wow. So many things wrong with this post. First off, the day phase ended more than 3 hours before your post. Second, DiY replaced remake20 fairly early in the game (day 2 or 3 IIRC) and has 24 posts to his names. I didn't reread the thread recently, but DiY has posted more than "0 posts" since replacing, that's for sure, else he would have been WOGed. Third, lurking is now "scum"? :rolleyes: Fourth, "I can't be sure but this just smells to me of scum." Possibly hedging? You seem sure enough to place a vote. Fifth and final, how is anything that DiY posted a frame? I don't agree with what he said, but it seems to me like its a theory based on thread information and suppositions.

All I see with your post is someone who knows he might be the next lynch target and is trying to redirect attention.

Hey I just woke up. Whoever was in the lead at 1200 GMT-5 is lynched.

I'll do a tally, and a writeup when I can.

NIGHT ACTIONS TO ME PLEASE.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

IIf you are clever, you will reverse this and you will realise I know the roles of approximately 14 people. :juggle:
I feel this is more about the fact you are on the suspect list and not one of the 14.

Yes, because lynching the last town investigator will obviously only benefit the town and not harm it in anyway.

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And this, Beskar, is something that doesn't make any sense at all to me. How can you possibly know that many roles, while having only 9 nights to investigate? You would have needed to know 5 roles at the beginning, which is slightly bigger than your entire team, EVEN ACCOUNTING FOR PEOPLE YOU RECRUITED AT SOME POINT, assuming you have that ability. Also, why are you an investigator that can definitively see what every single role is? Nobody on our team had an investigation role nearly as powerful as that.