Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

GH is most likely scummy based on his defensive behaviour and the fact that Pannonian wants him to be lynched. However, I'll vote: abstain for now until I make a descision on the guilt or innocence of Andres and Sigurd.

Thank you for answering, CountArach.

Does it say somewhere how many wiseguys there are? It seems like everyone is claiming the role of wiseguy for themselves.

Wiseguys(and those that claim to be):8

woad&fangs
Pannonian-deceased
Pevergreen-deceased
CountArach
Norwegian Nerd
Ichigo
Andres
GeneralHankerchief


Andres role PM looks real but as has been said, he could have gotten it from a real wiseguy in his family.

Edit: No one on Sigurd's list of inactives really surprises me. I'd expect Factionheir and Kamikhaan to have a few more posts but they aren't surprisingly low.

Heh... looking at the tally I have noticed the following players:

TinCow - third on the GH bandwagon.
TruePretorian - third on the Andres bandwagon.
Husar - third on the Sigurd bandwagon.

According to the 'rule of third on the bandwagon', that have caught so many mafia before, I will not be surprised if we find a mafioso or two in the ranks of those bandwagoneers.

Yes I call it.

Vote:Andres

Andres is completely full of it--I posted a criminal result several days ago and his initial reaction was to laugh about my promise of accuracy and to try and convince people I was lying. If he was really a wise guy he wouldn't have done that. Also he seems to be claiming he isn't a wise guy:

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Originally Posted by Andres

Now, Sasaki, Sigurd pointed out that the result you got on me, must have come from a Made gangster.

Who was your contact? Did you cooperate with him? What were you doing N1, N2 and N3?

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Luca's and mades only come up guilty on the night of the kill. The result on you is from night one.

It's funny that you are trying to convince us with role pm's--do you remember how many I had collected in capo 1?

I must admit there is something odd about Sigurd's actions. Although Andres is accused of being scummy at the moment, and for a fairly good reason, Sigurd's attack on him and then withdrawal of a vote without a decent reason is fairly suspect.

In addition Drisos claims to know you are Don. How he does is fairly out of the question, but I don't see any logical reason for him, as a pro-townie player, to be making this up. He doesn't seem to be the sort who would create fictitious stories for the fun of it either.

Let's try to create a triple lynch.
Unvote: GH
Vote: Sigurd Fafnesbane

I do find Sigurds withdrawal of a vote and switch to attacking lurkers to be scummy.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Vote:Andres

Andres is completely full of it--I posted a criminal result several days ago and his initial reaction was to laugh about my promise of accuracy and to try and convince people I was lying. If he was really a wise guy he wouldn't have done that.

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Ah come on Sasaki, when you of all players say "I promise these results are correct", laughing is a perfectly normal reaction.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Also he seems to be claiming he isn't a wise guy:

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I beg you pardon? I claimed wiseguy and posted my role pm. So how exactly am I not claiming wiseguy?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Luca's and mades only come up guilty on the night of the kill. The result on you is from night one.

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So you didn't take the effort of investigating me a second time? I'm disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki

It's funny that you are trying to convince us with role pm's--

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It's funny how you ignore my question about what you did in the previous nights.

It's funny how you ignore the fact that your investigation result might have come from a Made gangster.

It's also funny that you expect us to believe that a detective would trust you in a game where Dons show up as "innocent".

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Originally Posted by Sasaki

do you remember how many I had collected in capo 1?

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No.

FWIW, I confirm the authenticity of Andres's Wiseguy PM and so can Kommodus.

I'll analyze everything when I get home (several hours).

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Originally Posted by Andres

Ah come on Sasaki, when you of all players say "I promise these results are correct", laughing is a perfectly normal reaction.

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You're being evasive. Is this a natural reaction to what you are claiming is a completely accurate result:

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- We have Sasaki (Sasaki, of all players !) who said I came up as "criminal" after investigation. The same Sasaki who got investigated and came up as "criminal" himself according to TS. And Sasaki backs his claim up with : "I promise that these results are 100 % accurate".

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No it isn't. A wise guy, upon being shown that someone had a "criminal" result on him would believe it. If he was an innocent participant of protection groups he would simply claim wise guy. You didn't do this until days later--clearly taking time to collect what you needed to fake the claim.

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I beg you pardon? I claimed wiseguy and posted my role pm. So how exactly am I not claiming wiseguy?

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Made's don't get guilty results only detectives do. So if you say my source must be a made, then you are saying you are guilty.




So you didn't take the effort of investigating me a second time? I'm disappointed.

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It's funny how you ignore my question about what you did in the previous nights.

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I've answered that question for night one before. I'm in protection groups the other nights as well. Your posts aren't evidence of innocence btw.

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It's funny how you ignore the fact that your investigation result might have come from a Made gangster.

It's also funny that you expect us to believe that a detective would trust you in a game where Dons show up as "innocent".

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I'm confused now, are you claiming my result is inaccurate again?

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No.

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I had the townie and wise guy pm on day 1.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Heh... looking at the tally I have noticed the following players:

TinCow - third on the GH bandwagon.
TruePretorian - third on the Andres bandwagon.
Husar - third on the Sigurd bandwagon.

According to the 'rule of third on the bandwagon', that have caught so many mafia before, I will not be surprised if we find a mafioso or two in the ranks of those bandwagoneers.

Yes I call it.

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Pardon me, but I feel the need to point out that I voted for Andres, not GH, so I should be listed as on the Andres bandwagon.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I do find Sigurds withdrawal of a vote and switch to attacking lurkers to be scummy.

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Me too, this entire attack on Andres but with eventually no vote does only support my initial though of Sigurd being the Don, Andres being his Made/Luca.

Though, still, I can't be sure of anything of course.

What I do know, is that Andres has behaved awfully mafia-like and is really lynch-worthy.

btw, let's not forget about the strange behaviour of TruePraetorian.

gah, so many people to lynch! :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

A very scummy post there Kage...

You blatantly ignore the discussion we have had on this subject. Drisos was a detective. This has been revealed.
But he was killed on night 1 and would not have been able to do any investigations in this game. And he also claimed that he was in a protection group, protecting me or Louis. You can't do both investigations and protection on the same night. Finally he claims I am a Don, which when investigated, will come up as innocent and would be inconclusive as to the fact that the person investigated is a Don or a pro-town.
A very dangerous accusation and I want Drisos to acknowledge the fact that he is just guessing and badly so.
I could be wrong about you Kagemusha and will not vote for you. But I would like to hear why you are still pushing this theory.

While I am writing, I have a question regarding the game mechanics.
If you are attacked during a night, and you are out and about doing pro-town/mafia business, will your night action be cancelled? I know this is how it worked in previous games I have played. I have yet to find any info about it in the Capo series. Anyone have experience with this?

I haven't seen Andres making a defence yet, and he was also part of the team that set fire to the accusation of me being a Don. I therefore vote:Andres

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Well. As far as i know, Drisos is the only confirmed pro town role in this game and he is dead. Why would he lie about a player, thus damaging the efforts of the town? I cant simply see this happening. What could motivate him to do so? If listening and following the advice of the one player known really innocent is scummy, im guilty as charged on that.
Glenn, i still havent got any answer from you about my questions, so im inclined to dismiss you completely until you fix the situation. The ball is in your corner.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Pardon me, but I feel the need to point out that I voted for Andres, not GH, so I should be listed as on the Andres bandwagon.

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You are of course correct...
The correct extract from the tally should be:

TinCow - third on the Andres bandwagon
TruePretorian - third on the GH bandwagon
Husar - third on the Sigurd bandwagon.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

No it isn't. A wise guy, upon being shown that someone had a "criminal" result on him would believe it. If he was an innocent participant of protection groups he would simply claim wise guy. You didn't do this until days later--clearly taking time to collect what you needed to fake the claim.

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I didn't say the result was false. I said that I doubted your sincerity. And I still have my doubts.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki

Made's don't get guilty results only detectives do. So if you say my source must be a made, then you are saying you are guilty.

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~:confused:

Or = if I'm saying your source is a Made, then I am saying Sasaki has a mafia contact.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki

I've answered that question for night one before. I'm in protection groups the other nights as well. Your posts aren't evidence of innocence btw.

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I posted my night action results. Would I have gotten results of a failed/inconclusive protection if I didn't participate in that protection?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki

I'm confused now, are you claiming my result is inaccurate again?

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I am claiming that I don't trust you nor your source (assuming you have a source that is).

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Originally Posted by Sasaki

I had the townie and wise guy pm on day 1.

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How many role pm's do you have now?

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Well. As far as i know, Drisos is the only confirmed pro town role in this game and he is dead. Why would he lie about a player, thus damaging the efforts of the town? I cant simply see this happening. What could motivate him to do so? If listening and following the advice of the one player known really innocent is scummy, im guilty as charged on that.

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GAH!!!
How am I going to defend this allegation without getting the specifics?
I acknowledge that Drisos is detective. You could at least HINT to how you got this information Drisos.
Red text in your role pm?
Someone knowing all the Dons wispered my name in a pm?
Oh... wait, someone claiming to be my Made or Luca told you in confidence?

Greetings,

This is the Don of one of the five families.

I have a proposition to make and call a meeting for de Dons.

The Dons of the other four families should contact me via this email:

Don1_CapoDeTuttiCapi@hotmail.com

The meeting of the Dons will be on an external forum where new accounts will be made, one for each Don (the dons register via a link provided).
Send an email using a fresh account, like the one provided above, with answers to these questions where the answers will only be found in the non red sections of your role pm:

1. Your family name – there should only be one of each.
2. The codeword in parenthesis in the first section (Victory conditions)
3. The third word in the first section (Victory conditions)
4. Quote sentence no.1 in paragraph A (General) from the section; Powers & Responsibilities.

If you are not able to answer these questions you will not receive an invitation.
The questions are a precoution against any claimants not being a real Don...

I hope to hear from you...

de

precoution

i tried searching the forums for these typos ? (precoution actually seems to be a word ?) but i couldn't even find the post tosa just made (google fu is weak)

hmm based on the say of the only innocent i now for sure going to go for
Vote Sigurd

But Drisos can you tell us more about this ?

On the recommendation of two people who seem trustworthy to me, I am disclosing the following information regarding the death of Glenn:

I contacted Louis VI the Fat during Day 3 about helping protect someone on Night 3. He agreed, and asked me in the middle of the Night 3 turn if I want to help protect Glenn. I agreed, though I told him I was probably going to vote for Glenn to be lynched the next day, since I thought Glenn was guilty of something. He did not respond to this for many hours, at which point I contacted another person about protecting someone else since it looked like Louis VI wasn't going to be doing anything or was ignoring me.

One hour and 16 minutes before the deadline, Louis VI tells me to submit orders for me, him, and JimBob to protect Glenn. I do so and CC him on the orders. Then, 33 minutes before the deadline, he tells me someone else wants in and to submit new orders for me, him, JimBob, and Leet Eriksson to protect Glenn. I do so and CC him on the orders. Then, 25 minutes before the deadline, he sends me this message:

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Husar ; Leet Eriksson ; TinCow ;


Hello, sorry 'bout this. Husar just called in. Want him to be in on the action as well. Careers in medicine are important. Also, this frees up JimBob - if he really has got detective powers, we can find out from his results.

This is the new, and definitive order for Seamus:

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Protect Glenn:

Husar, Leet Eriksson, TinCow, louis.

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You can lynch me for being a disorganised arse in two days. :shame:

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I submit orders for me, him, Husar, and Leet Eriksson to protect Glenn and CC him on the PM, as usual.

As we all know, only two people showed up to protect Glenn, and he was killed. Leet Eriksson has not responded to anyone AFAIK, so he definitely wasn't there. This could easily have been because of the late timing of the change in orders. However, I talked to both Louis VI and Husar . Both of them claim to have submitted orders properly and both claim to have gotten the "failure" response from Seamus. I know one of them is lying because only two people showed up and I was one of them.

I leave it up to the public to figure out what this means.

All townies should send about 200 fake mails from faked accounts to the above address so that they won't be able to sort it out until the game is over. :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Husar

All townies should send about 200 fake mails from faked accounts to the above address so that they won't be able to sort it out until the game is over. :sweatdrop:

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:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

However, I talked to both Louis VI and Husar . Both of them claim to have submitted orders properly and both claim to have gotten the "failure" response from Seamus. I know one of them is lying because only two people showed up and I was one of them.

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Heh...
What say you Husar?
Did I call it right with the third on my bandwagon? or would you say Louis or TinCow are lying?

I think ,Husar and Louis have some explaining to do.:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

As we all know, only two people showed up to protect Glenn, and he was killed. Leet Eriksson has not responded to anyone AFAIK, so he definitely wasn't there. This could easily have been because of the late timing of the change in orders. However, I talked to both Louis VI and Husar . Both of them claim to have submitted orders properly and both claim to have gotten the "failure" response from Seamus. I know one of them is lying because only two people showed up and I was one of them.

I leave it up to the public to figure out what this means.

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Well, I sent my PM and contacted you because I was concerned, Leet Eriksson was brought into the picture by me(he's my mafia buddy, you know... :dizzy2: ) and he said the change of orders came too short and he was afk so he missed the opportunity to change his protection.
There are several possibilities actually, apart from the ones you mentioned.

I could be guilty, only I know I'm not and I wouldn't have joined a protection group then.
The above works for anyone of us I guess.
Then Leet Eriksson could be guilty and might have lied to me about not getting his PM in in time.
And then there could have been someone blocking one of us tonight.
I wouldn't draw too many conclusions and instead propose a more scientific approach although I would have preferred to do that in private as we're all potential mafia targets now. :wall:

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Originally Posted by Husar

All townies should send about 200 fake mails from faked accounts to the above address so that they won't be able to sort it out until the game is over. :sweatdrop:

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A bit like Lemur flooding GH's inbox so the detective couldn't get his orders through.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I submit orders for me, him, Husar, and Leet Eriksson to protect Glenn and CC him on the PM, as usual.

As we all know, only two people showed up to protect Glenn, and he was killed. Leet Eriksson has not responded to anyone AFAIK, so he definitely wasn't there. This could easily have been because of the late timing of the change in orders. However, I talked to both Louis VI and Husar . Both of them claim to have submitted orders properly and both claim to have gotten the "failure" response from Seamus. I know one of them is lying because only two people showed up and I was one of them.

I leave it up to the public to figure out what this means.

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And how can we be sure that you really sent your pm to Seamus (and not just sent a pm to Husar, Louis and Leet)?

Why did you wait for the recommendation of two trustworthy people? You do realise that those trustworthy people who made you post this, created four suspects?

I understand no one has any reason to trust me and that is fine. I would raise the same objection if this info was posted by anyone else. As far the town should be concerned, one of the three of us is defitinitely lying. Either TinCow, Louis VI the Fat, or Husar is directly and intentionally responsible for Glenn's failed protection.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Well, I sent my PM and contacted you because I was concerned, Leet Eriksson was brought into the picture by me(he's my mafia buddy, you know... :dizzy2: ) and he said the change of orders came too short and he was afk so he missed the opportunity to change his protection.
There are several possibilities actually, apart from the ones you mentioned.

I could be guilty, only I know I'm not and I wouldn't have joined a protection group then.
The above works for anyone of us I guess.
Then Leet Eriksson could be guilty and might have lied to me about not getting his PM in in time.
And then there could have been someone blocking one of us tonight.
I wouldn't draw too many conclusions and instead propose a more scientific approach although I would have preferred to do that in private as we're all potential mafia targets now. :wall:

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No, there is no other alternative. I accept the idea that Leet Eriksson simply didn't get his orders in on time. That is perfectly logical under the circumstances. However, the rest of us all claim to have submitted proper orders and to have gotten the proper response from Seamus. Since only 3 townies are required to protect someone, that should have been enough. The write-up clearly shows that only two people showed up. Therefore one of the three of us is lying about getting the failure PM.

Yes, this makes us potential mafia targets, but the important thing is to ensure that the town wins, not that we live. This information is important IMO, since it strongly suggests that one of the three of us is mafia.

So tincow, louis and husar are all claiming to have thier orders in on time ?

in sigurds post earlier he mentions the third person on the bandwagon which mentions tincow and husar

there is another mention of louis in sasaki umm fos ? list

maybe it is time for a vote change...

Unvote sigurd
Vote abstain for the moment...

you know the mafia just weakened the town severely...

I say andres and sigurd are scum

you know the mafia just weakened the town severely...

how so... ? please tell!

Is it possible that Louis is trying to disorganize the town's protection efforts?
He may already have killed two detectives that way.