Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Craterus

Firstly, an apology to Kage. The mafia could never function properly with the 2 of us opposed. There is too much suspicion and disunity. I know you were probably planning my demise so I decided to beat you to the punch while I had the advantage. You were/are (the former, I hope) a worthy adversary.

This brings me to my second point. I implore what's left of the Barzini family to join mine. A family war now will hand the game to the town. I propose that we stop the killing (I'm a pacifist ~;) why else were the Cunnio so quiet for the whole game?) and take the win. Of course, if you really must take revenge, then you can go for that but in the interest of a mafia win, I suggest the first proposed plan of action. The greater good and everything.

Let me know guys.

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So was it you or Kage who killed EF?

Believe it or not, it wasn't me. It may have been Kage, it may not have been.

Let's see here, the town loses if the Cunnios win. If Kage is lynched here and the Cunnios have free reign to exterminate the Barzinis tonight, then the Cunnios win. Therefore the town should help the Barzinis in order to help themselves. The town and the Barzinis should now both switch their votes to Craterus for the lynch. That would help to even up the score. The town also conveniently has access to Doctors. Wouldn't that be useful in a mafia war?

I think it's time for the Cunnios to die.

Actually TinCow, the town only loses faster if Kage survives. He has a Luca (why haven't you revealed his name publicly again? tut tut scummy) and his Don 'luck' to spare. A lynch is the only way to get rid of him and today's the only day the town has a chance of majority. Let alone the fact that the town cant even raise enough people for a vigilante group, did that slip your mind?

You led the townies wrong many times before TinCow, don't do it again.

It doesn't matter if the Barzinis still have a Luca, since the town can't kill anyone outside of a lynch. The Luca is only useful against you. Cunnio has more men than Barzini. If Kage is lynched here, they will win this evening's festivities decisively, removing the only opposition to Cunnio power. If the Cunnios lynch Kage and win the battle tonight, then the town loses. If the Cunnios lynch Kage and win the battle tonight, then the Barzinis also lose. The only chance that either of them have is to lynch you right now. Tomorrow night can be dealt with tomorrow night. For right now, unless they cooperate the Cunnios have won. It's pretty simple.

Well, assume away TinCow, but you're wrong.

Let's see, the Barzini have:
Kagemusha
Joe Monks
CountArach
Sasaki Kojiro
and... Fizz/Leet Errikson - yes, that famous townie, Leet Errikson. In fact a mole.

The Cunnio family consists of:
Craterus
TruePraetorian
Xehh II

I can really see how we're outnumbered now.

And what of Twilightblade and scottishranger? They seem to be voting in lock-step with you.

hmm I guess if you guys want to fight during the day like townies we can do that. How unexciting.

Barzini has 5 votes:
Kage
Joe monks
Leet
Sasaki
CountA

Cunnio has 5 votes:
Craterus (can't vote)
TrueP
Xehh
T'blade
scottish
gibson

So we will tie eachother (giving crat the decider). The town's three votes could swing things. So townies, which would you rather be beaten by, the family that didn't kill all game and which now includes Xehh who abandoned you at the last moment, along with scottish/gibson who jumped ship without care when their don died? Or with the family that masterminded the towns defeat? Your call ~D

unvote,vote:Craterus

As far as I'm aware, gibson and scottish are going after the person they believe to have killed their Don. I think it is viable to suggest that they will make clear their allegiance at the end of, or even during, this phase. Picking the winning family, if they have any sense.

Interesting point on Xehh there Sasaki. And yet, you went out of your way to ditch the town and join the mafia. Pretty dirty play against your assigned team, don't you think?

Didn't kill all game, surely that shows I'm pro-town. Technically, I have been. I'd rather see the town win than another family, no matter what the victory conditions say. By not killing, I've passively been working for them the whole game.

Masterminded the town's defeat? You overestimate yourselves. I knew all along that the mafia truce was a sham, it's the reason we didn't attend the Don meeting among other things. And its impossible to mastermind anything at this stage, your 2 enemy families could have acted very differently. Your arrogance is surprising... If you honestly think you were being subtle until now, think again. Kage has been unnaturally insistent that the truce won't be broken and his great big family would come to the rescue if it was. It basically confirmed that you were the bad guys. Also, Sasaki is part of that family, you know he would only ever join the team he thought was going to win.

However, I hope that this points gibson and scottish in the right direction and I will kindly ask them not to change their votes from Kage.

So, there you go townies, I'll let you make the decision. Because really, your votes just decide which family wins, it's unlikely that the town can win from this position.

Vote for brazini or to be precise Kagemusha!

I have a proposition:

A general truce, across all factions.


This is the honourable way out of the current stalemate. As it stands, the game will be a win between two families, to be decided upon by the whim of the town. This is no way to end Capo.
The town has no realistic way of winning. Yet, the mafia truce has been broken, and can't be restored. So a common mafia win is inconceivable as well. However, the mafia has been playing as one for most of the game, and might want to actually share their destiny after all. Of course, in my proposal, the general truce / victory is extended to all families / mafiosi without a don.

There is something for everyone in this proposal: The town doesn't lose. The mafia can still pride themselves on having outplayed the town. The donless families have made sacrifices on behalf of the common mafia cause, and are in this manner included with full honour.

All six factions stand to benefit, and can congratulate each other for cunning plots they've pulled off at various stages in the game. We all share in the glory without exception, and will leave everything else to Seamus' individual score tabs.

Please let us know what you think. I myself am a dead, unafiliated wiseguy, and stand to gain or lose nothing by this. My sole desire is to end this glorious game on a high for everybody.

I, for one, think this is the honourable way to end this game.

*reads*

*pauses*

*bursts out laughing*

I don't really care at this point. The more mafiosi die, the better. Preferably all, but hey, that's no longer realistic. Just go ahead and lynch a few before the end of game. :2thumbsup:

I personally want to see the mafia rip each other to shreds in an all out war. If I remember correctly there are 3 townies and 3 wiseguys so there's a lot of devious plots that can still be hatched.

Little chance of that Louis. The situation is that the town is dead, but there are also 3 mafia families, 1 of which is larger than the other 2. This larger family has taken advantage of this to weaken another family, while still hiding behind the truce. Having tried to get away with this, they're not going to agree to another truce, and even if they do, I'm not sure if anyone would trust them to keep it. So, assuming that the town will continue to be killed off, the most likely scenario is that the larger family will continue to pick off the others, until they can muster enough strength to outnumber the other 2 families combined. Once that's the case, there's no more need to persuade the other families to hold their fire, as they'll be able to force a win.

Has anyone asked Seamus yet whether mafia on mafia hits need to show calling signs?

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I have a proposition:

A general truce, across all factions.


This is the honourable way out of the current stalemate. As it stands, the game will be a win between two families, to be decided upon by the whim of the town. This is no way to end Capo.
The town has no realistic way of winning. Yet, the mafia truce has been broken, and can't be restored. So a common mafia win is inconceivable as well. However, the mafia has been playing as one for most of the game, and might want to actually share their destiny after all. Of course, in my proposal, the general truce / victory is extended to all families / mafiosi without a don.

There is something for everyone in this proposal: The town doesn't lose. The mafia can still pride themselves on having outplayed the town. The donless families have made sacrifices on behalf of the common mafia cause, and are in this manner included with full honour.

All six factions stand to benefit, and can congratulate each other for cunning plots they've pulled off at various stages in the game. We all share in the glory without exception, and will leave everything else to Seamus' individual score tabs.

Please let us know what you think. I myself am a dead, unafiliated wiseguy, and stand to gain or lose nothing by this. My sole desire is to end this glorious game on a high for everybody.

I, for one, think this is the honourable way to end this game.

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Louis go back...what...ONE page??

You were saying "whining mafioso" for years and years...now you want a truce?

Hold on. By the way, current tally below. Check it while im thinking.

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Craterus is right, how can any of you accuse him after so-nobilly trying to defeat the town??

Sasaki, your a funny man when you are desperate. And did anyone wonder WHY he joined the Barzini, who at the time had 4 people AND a Luca, instead of Cunnio or Tatagalia? Each with 3 men and NO Luca??

Kage, ive been in chat quite a bit lately, you are in no position to say "we broke the truce". You have been planning it this entire time. Hint hint, watch who is online before you speak of sabotage.

Leet Erikson, funny story. I thought he was a townie in chat, so i asked him if he wanted to join A family, not specifically ours. He said sure, ill join YOUR family. Funny thing is, he never participated in the night phase, instead Kage tells us he is Barzini. If you guys were planning on ending in a mafia-truce, then everyone in your family should have known about it (IT WAS MADE PUBLIC), and he wouldnt have been hiding. Unless you were trying to make your numbers smaller, to hide your clear dominance of the game??

CA, of all people knows that i told him our family symbol on, hmm, around N10? maybe N11 im not sure. But wasnt it said that our symbol was unknown? HOW CAN YOU BLAME US IF YOU ARE LYING? Trying to frame us, trying to get EF against us. Also, claiming that you didnt kill him..PLEASE say you are kidding. 2 people and town cant do it, but you have Sasaki, Leet, CA, and joe monks. 2 to kill Ironside as stated..what were the other two doing? Exactly. Killing EF is what they were doing.

And now Joe Monks, well, i kmow little about him. Except one valuable fact. To say the least, i find it odd why TinCow is supporting you guys..thats not what the PM's say.

Oh yeah, Loius..

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Nice post :thumbsup:

*"Plant a seed. Watch it grow"*

@Group I: Refer to my previous PM; codeword: Starfish.

.. All this revealing, supposed or not, is ruinous of the endgame.

You can't all maintain whatever mystery there is left until the post-game write up?

I think I, Craterus and Sasaki gave a pretty good rundown of the current situation: there will be a win by either of two families. Which one, is to be decided upon by the town.

That is ridiculous. My proposal, on the other hand, is not. Far from it.

For a start, what is the winning family going to say after the game? 'Yay, we won! We won because the town loved our beedy little eyes better than those of the other family!!!1!!

There is no honour in that. Sure, lots of little ploys are yet possible. Both families can win. Even a town win is still possible. But no faction can win without relying on a perfectly random preference of the other factions.

I would also like to remind people that last years Capo ended with 14 living players, the exact amount we have now as well.

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Louis go back...what...ONE page?? :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

You were saying "whining mafioso" for years and years

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Nope. What I have been saying, for years and years, was that there wouldn't be a unified mafia win. I don't hear anybody laughing about that anymore either. :book:

You think your family is on top now, TP. Well, actually you are. But this can change rapidly, mind.


Edit: so once again, I was absolutely serious in my proposal. I realise the very idea of a general truce sounds preposterous upon first reading. But just think it over for a while...

It is nowhere near as silly as it looks like at first sight. In fact, it makes perfect sense.

Im not saying we are on top. If you think about it, we arent. Kage still does have 5 people against 3. It is not our fault EF was killed, and that the tatagalias would rather not join the killers of their don. Thats their choice, and think about it...would you side with the guy who just killed your father? No, not unless you were threatened, and what do we have to threaten them with? Nothing. We cant, we dont have the power to do anything.

Maybe your treaty will work, but not with Kagemusha. The Cunnio's have already stated that we will not kill any townies, we would rather kill Kage, then his henchmen, until the game ends. By the way, its not even necessary that the Barzinis die at all. Instead, they can join the Cunnio's and end the game just like that...one life (kage) for the rest of them.

And Loius, come on, ya know youve been tryin your little physcology tricks :laugh4:

Just look at your first or second post after my opening post (the one where i revealed alot of info). Look at all your recent postes for a scope of it.

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

Im not saying we are on top. If you think about it, we arent. Kage still does have 5 people against 3. It is not our fault EF was killed, and that the tatagalias would rather not join the killers of their don. Thats their choice, and think about it...would you side with the guy who just killed your father? No, not unless you were threatened, and what do we have to threaten them with? Nothing. We cant, we dont have the power to do anything.

Maybe your treaty will work, but not with Kagemusha. The Cunnio's have already stated that we will not kill any townies, we would rather kill Kage, then his henchmen, until the game ends. By the way, its not even necessary that the Barzinis die at all. Instead, they can join the Cunnio's and end the game just like that...one life (kage) for the rest of them.

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Is Kage Don Barzini? Didn't someone say earlier that he's just a Luca, and that he should be got rid of so as to gain access to their Don?

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

Maybe your treaty will work, but not with Kagemusha. The Cunnio's have already stated that we will not kill any townies, we would rather kill Kage, then his henchmen, until the game ends. By the way, its not even necessary that the Barzinis die at all. Instead, they can join the Cunnio's and end the game just like that...one life (kage) for the rest of them.

And Loius, come on, ya know youve been tryin your little physcology tricks :laugh4:

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No Jedi mind tricks this time, my dear TP. It is not a treaty proposal, but an end-game proposal. :bow:

Also, Seamus has already said he'll allow it. (Anybody can PM him to check himself for confirmation). Also, after last night's and today's events, Seamus will certainly not allow any joint mafia victory anymore, if ever he even considered it.


Here is the important part:
The town is currently allied with Craterus' family. If Kagemusha's family doesn't accept the proposal to end the game, the alliance with Craterus' family will hold, and Craterus will win. If, however, Kage accepts and Craterus does not, the town will block switch it's vote to Craterus, and Kagemusha wins.

If Kage or Craterus dies does the other don win ?

If so i think votes should hold to lynch kage give Craterus the victory

If not town should go down fighting, taking as many scum down with them as possible

This is just petty arguing at this point.

unvote,vote:no lynch

Let's decide the game with guns not votes. This isn't a fitting end to capo

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

This is just petty arguing at this point.

unvote,vote:no lynch

Let's decide the game with guns not votes. This isn't a fitting end to capo

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Would this be because you'll lose on votes? BTW Sasaki, was it you who suggested decapitating the Tataglias at this stage, or did the main Barzini family plan this themselves?

The last couple pages have been pure delight. Now the question is, should the town take down the traitor Sasaki? Or should they take down the traitor True Praetorian? Who's done more to kick us around and poison us from the inside? Who deserves the greater shame from Fatlington? This one's for CR . . . and Louis . . . and LittleGrizzly . . . and Myrddraal . . . and KukriKhan . . . and me . . . and all the rest of your hapless victims, scum!

Ajax

You know what.This isnt a master plan of Cunnio.This is master plan of Town. As i said before, i didnt brake the truce. Cunnio wouldnt have a chance in hell to lynch me with their votes only. Now town is choosing Don Cunnio, a "mighty" mafia leader with a single kill as Capo de Tutti Capo. Well, be my guest. I rather hang today and give the victory to the other mafia, then start acting as patsy of the town. All i say to Craterus, is that you must truly be proud of your victory given to you by town, which you could not have ever won yourself. I wish for the remaining Barzini to keep their votes in Caius. There is no sense in starting and hopping around as town wishes. Il be at work when the deadline arrives, so i guess congratulations are in order for Craterus. I myself have fullfilled my main victory condition by creating mafia victory. I hope you are able to be proud of your "huge" achievement also. Traitor.:bow:

Kill Kage.

Kill the barzinis. The mafia (Cunnio) will win, and Kage's family seems destined to die foolishly ('let's solve this with guns, since we have so many more goons, and not votes, because our don is about to be lynched.') But at least Sasaki will die. :beam:

EDIT: Kage, you only lay out the reasons to lynch you instead of craterus.
Why should not the town kill the one who was it's undoing, while choosing the lesser of two evils, the family that killed only once?
Is it not desirable that we snatch away victory from the mafia that did their utmost to attain it, to punish those who harmed us the most?

Twas you guys who wanted to elect a mafia director and thus free up his luca yesterday. Reap then your rewards, scum!

CR

And, predictably, when Kagemusha and the Barzinis' betrayal is so blatantly revealed, they try to blame it on the town. All . . . um, 3 of us.

Ajax

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Originally Posted by ajaxfetish

And, predictably, when Kagemusha and the Barzinis' betrayal is so blatantly revealed, they try to blame it on the town. All . . . um, 3 of us.

Ajax

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If you people cant count what 4 votes can achieve at this point, its your problem.Im not accusing anyone.You with your 4 votes have chosen Craterus as your boss, so you shall have him. Im off to work, thanks for a great game.:smash:

Really. Kage, sorry, but if your grand plans were undone by three townies you don't deserve the Captain of Captains title anymore than Craterus.

I would've won, sneered the mafia don, if only it weren't for those dratted couple of townies!
~;p
Sorry, but none of these families measure up to the white gloves.

Master plan of the town? Crate has more votes than us and can't be killed at night!
:laugh4:

CR

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

CA, of all people knows that i told him our family symbol on, hmm, around N10? maybe N11 im not sure. But wasnt it said that our symbol was unknown? HOW CAN YOU BLAME US IF YOU ARE LYING? Trying to frame us, trying to get EF against us. Also, claiming that you didnt kill him..PLEASE say you are kidding. 2 people and town cant do it, but you have Sasaki, Leet, CA, and joe monks. 2 to kill Ironside as stated..what were the other two doing? Exactly. Killing EF is what they were doing.

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Wow, lynching my DOn is really putting me in a position where I feel like backing you up on something...

*Swears to the computer screen. VERY LOUDLY.*

Alright, here we go. On the second poit of what our family was doing:

LEET ERIKSON IS NOT A WISE GUY NOR ANY MAFIA ROLE.

How in the hell could he have killed your Don?

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Really. Kage, sorry, but if your grand plans were undone by three townies you don't deserve the Captain of Captains title anymore than Craterus.

I would've won, sneered the mafia don, if only it weren't for those dratted couple of townies!
~;p
Sorry, but none of these families measure up to the white gloves.

Master plan of the town? Crate has more votes than us and can't be killed at night!
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CR

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CR what part you dont understand. There wont be a night after this day. My 4 men, will join Cunnio and its game over.All other Dons are dead and mafia outnumbers the town. This just shows what sore loosers you are. Im happy with the mafia victory like i said, there just is not enough people with sense of honor to allow me have it together with other mafia.

ET was killed by his own family, after Crate got to them. Neither family could compete with the Barzini's, and I'm sure both families knew this. The Barzini's could only kill one person last night with two Mades, a Luca, and a townie. Logically this makes sense. Good game Crate you've won.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

As far as I'm aware, gibson and scottish are going after the person they believe to have killed their Don. I think it is viable to suggest that they will make clear their allegiance at the end of, or even during, this phase. Picking the winning family, if they have any sense.

Interesting point on Xehh there Sasaki. And yet, you went out of your way to ditch the town and join the mafia. Pretty dirty play against your assigned team, don't you think?

Didn't kill all game, surely that shows I'm pro-town. Technically, I have been. I'd rather see the town win than another family, no matter what the victory conditions say. By not killing, I've passively been working for them the whole game.

Masterminded the town's defeat? You overestimate yourselves. I knew all along that the mafia truce was a sham, it's the reason we didn't attend the Don meeting among other things. And its impossible to mastermind anything at this stage, your 2 enemy families could have acted very differently. Your arrogance is surprising... If you honestly think you were being subtle until now, think again. Kage has been unnaturally insistent that the truce won't be broken and his great big family would come to the rescue if it was. It basically confirmed that you were the bad guys. Also, Sasaki is part of that family, you know he would only ever join the team he thought was going to win.

However, I hope that this points gibson and scottish in the right direction and I will kindly ask them not to change their votes from Kage.

So, there you go townies, I'll let you make the decision. Because really, your votes just decide which family wins, it's unlikely that the town can win from this position.

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yep, that's what I thought was behind your enthusiasm for these 'peace' plans

lets remember to take out the town guys - as you can see from this DonC doesn't really care about that little detail

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

ET was killed by his own family, after Crate got to them.

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That's a possible explanation :yes:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Blahblahblah, Lies, lies, lies

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Blahblahblah, Lies, lies, lies

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Blahblahblah, Lies, lies, lies

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Why is the mafia listening to TinCow, Crazed Rabbit and Louis ? They are just trying to take out as many scum as possible. They are not interested in anything else.

You don't know for sure who murdered EF, but you all know for sure who is the enemy: the town. Kill of all townies first. After that, you can worry about the other famil(y)(ies).

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Originally Posted by Andres

That's a possible explanation :yes:

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What was the calling card for ET's family Andres, do you know?

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

What was the calling card for ET's family Andres, do you know?

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Nope :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

ET was killed by his own family, after Crate got to them. Neither family could compete with the Barzini's, and I'm sure both families knew this. The Barzini's could only kill one person last night with two Mades, a Luca, and a townie. Logically this makes sense. Good game Crate you've won.

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The original family members can never kill their own Don, they must stay true to him him to the very end.

:balloon2:

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

The original family members can never kill their own Don, they must stay true to him him to the very end.

:balloon2:

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Not true:

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2. If your family has lost its Don, or if your group has never had one, you may ascend to the Role of Don by: a) having at least one other Made in the family/group (2 or more needed), b) having all the other Made Gangsters in your family agree to your becoming the Don, and c) providing that you did not participate personally in the killing of the previous Don.

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Indicating that it is indeed possible.

Well well well. Not so "Mafia party in the Chatroom!" now are we scumbags?
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Originally Posted by Andres

Why is the mafia listening to TinCow, Crazed Rabbit and Louis ? They are just trying to take out as many scum as possible. They are not interested in anything else.

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Of course we just want to see the mafia bleed, but that doesn't make our statements any less true. EF could not have been killed by the town because it was made by 2 people. The town cannot kill anymore because they only have 3 people left, at least one of whom is not a wiseguy. EF was killed by mafia and the town is no threat beyond 3 puny lynch votes.

If the Barzini want to simply give up, then I guess that's the end of the game. I assumed they'd have more guts than this simple resignation and cowardice indicates. Apparently they can't handle a little bit of pressure. :laugh4:

Capo Rule Addendum: Mafioso never die quietly, unless they're Barzini.

Gah, the town is lost anyway, I'm for a Don Crate.

The Barzini is full of traitors, spies and selfish people, "IN YOUR FACE!!!" is all I have to tell them.

I find Crate's play refreshing, interesting and it obviously worked out. :2thumbsup:

Despite that I advised Kage to strike first because the truce wouldn't hold anyway but he foolishly didn't listen to me...

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Of course we just want to see the mafia bleed, but that doesn't make our statements any less true.

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You sound like me...

The fact still remains that Craterus' family has only killed once in the entire game. Can he truly be considered Capo Di Tutti Capi?

And another thing... Who cares that Kage broke the mafia truce? Weren't we all urging the mafia to do just that? It seems rather hypocritcal for us to now turn against him.

If the town is going to lose then I'm in support of Don Kagemusha and the Barzini's.

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

The fact still remains that Craterus' family has only killed once in the entire game. Can he truly be considered Capo Di Tutti Capi?

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He sat back and watched the other parties kill one another while he and his men were disguised and never showed as guilty. It's similar to what many game heroes do, stay in the dark, be sneaky and intelligent, obviously a clever way to achieve victory, I don't see why that should not be worthy of a Capo de Tutti Capi?

Victory should be achieved by murder, not by lurking.

Victory should be achieved by any means possible. Whatever strategy gets you there is a good one.

*insert fitting Machiavellian quote here*

Worthy? There is no worthy win possible anymore, Husar. The only honourable way for the mafia to win is to accept my proposal to end the game.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

there just is not enough people with sense of honor to allow me have it together with other mafia.

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Now, now, Kage. That is no way to speak of your mafia allies. Tsk. :no:

The petty grovelling of the Cunnios pleases the town. Hence, they win. However, you have some fine players on your team too, so I am quite sure your family can outgrovel the Cunnios yet. Just lower your pants and bend over further than the Cunnios and this 'glorious mafia win' will be all yours. :book:

Victory should be achieved by superior strategy. In this case, I have to tip my hat to the Cunnios. Not killing at all was an excellent move. They were able to hide almost completely within the town by legitimately helping it with protection and vigilante groups. I don't know about the rest of you, but for most of the game I kept waiting for a WoG reveal to show a Don. That's entirely because of the Cunnios. I still think the game's not worth giving up on for either the Barzinis or the town, but I definitely think the Cunnios were the superior players so far.

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Now, now, Kage. That is no way to speak of your mafia allies. Tsk. :no:

The petty grovelling of the Cunnios pleases the town. Hence, they win. However, you have some fine players on your team too, so I am quite sure your family can outgrovel the Cunnios yet. Just lower your pants and bend over further than the Cunnios and this 'glorious mafia win' will be all yours. :book:

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Loving every word!

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Originally Posted by CountArach

Not true:

Indicating that it is indeed possible.

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That only accouns for the situation when ones original Don has been killed (is lost) and as far as I know EF was that families original Don. Well, I have no reason not to think so. And my comment meant just that, staying true to ones original Don.

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Bah, i said I would congratulate the mafia if only one family wins and I'll keep my word, that the town votes with them has no real bearing as the town already voted with them before, they/we just didn't know it. As TinCow and I have stated the Cunnios had a Cunning(haha!) plan and that worked out well for them, the rest are just mad that they did the dirty work for the cunning Cunnios like the tools(in a more literal, non-insulting sense) they are. ~;)

This is main thread post #3814



"Mama told me one day it was gonna happen
But she never told me when.
She told me it would happen when I was much older.
Wish it wouldve happened then.

Is this the end?
I wanna know, I wanna know, I wanna know.
Is this the end?
I gotta know, I gotta know, I gotta know.
Is this the end?"
-- New Edition



Sunset, Day 14

Caius, Shlin28, and Proletariat sat huddled together, staring at the argument raging between two (more?) factions that had, only the previous evening, voted nearly in lockstep with one another. Accusations flung at Caius that he was a traitor to 'What’s best for Fatlington' had caused a storm of criticism early in the meeting and Caius’ response – “I only wish I had the chance to kill a few more Mafia Scum!” had sent a brief chill through the room, but the argument changed and shifted. Eventually, the trio found themselves little more than spectators. Finally, it came time to vote.

Craterus huddled with the two counting officers for tonight while the other 4 guards paired off near the likely candidates for tonight – Kagemusha and Caius.

“It is the will of this committee,” intoned Craterus in an oddly formal voice, “that Kagemusha has been judged guilty and a threat to Fatlington. Kagemusha, it is with sincere regret that I hereby declare your life forfeit.”

The guards quickly immobilized Kagemusha.

“Do you have any last words before execution of sentence?”

Kage stared daggers at Craterus.

“It should not be this way. There is no honor in this.” Kagemusha shook his head sadly.

No one else spoke. Kagemusha was walked down to the boardwalk by the guards and tied to the railing on the seaward side. He was offered a blindfold, which he spat upon. He was offered a cigarette, which he accepted. The officers formed the firing party. Kagemusha stared up defiantly at the windows from where the committee watched the execution of justice. With a sneer, he turned his face away to stare directly at the firing squad, looking through and past them to the last rays of the setting sun.

<<Crack!>>

Kagemusha didn’t fall. Chest riven by four shots and slammed back into the railing he struggled to bring himself to his feet one last time. He laughed, or at least it would have been a laugh with untorn lungs, and then whispered one final word.

“Rosebud…”

Coughing and chuckling to himself, Kagemusha slumped in his restraints, and died of his wounds.

Craterus released the committee and they all went out into the dark.



OOC

1. PM’s for night 15 are due no later than 1000 EDT 13 March 2008 (1400 GMT). I will expect PMs from all, clearly stating their actions, inactions or any other relevant statements of intent.

2. Lynch Tally: (13 of 13 possible votes)

Kagemusha = 8 (Caius, Gibsons91291, Proletariat, Scottishranger, Shlin28, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Xehh II).

Caius = 4 (CountArach, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Leet Erikson)

No Lynch = 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)

Not Allowed to Vote = 1 (Craterus, Director).

Great guys. Absolutely great.

You know what will happen now, right?

Tomorrow, the townies (only 3, I know, but their 3 votes will be decisive) will vote together with the remnants of Kage's family to get anybody but Craterus elected as Director. The night after that, Craterus, the last Don, will die and who will have won this game?

Yes, the town!

You guys were in a very comfortable position to win this game. It was impossible for the mafia to lose and see now :no: You'll have to be very lucky to keep the last remaining Don alive on night 16 to ensure a mafia victory.

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Put TinCow, Louis and CR on your ignore lists!

I say the town helps Crate win this and then we get an honorable mafia victory as we should. It also remains to be seen who dies tonight.
But then the strength of the mafia is uaually to be hidden, by revealing their identities they screwed themselves over in a moment of overconfidence.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Great guys. Absolutely great.

You know what will happen now, right?

Tomorrow, the townies (only 3, I know, but their 3 votes will be decisive) will vote together with the remnants of Kage's family to get anybody but Craterus elected as Director. The night after that, Craterus, the last Don, will die and who will have won this game?

Yes, the town!

You guys were in a very comfortable position to win this game. It was impossible for the mafia to lose and see now :no: You'll have to be very lucky to keep the last remaining Don alive on night 16 to ensure a mafia victory.

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Put TinCow, Louis and CR on your ignore lists!

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Erm, don't mafia families continue to live without their Dons? In Capo 1 one of the families had lost its Don early, but lived on, and eventually selected CountArach as their new Don. Why would the game end if Craterus were to die?

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Originally Posted by Rules

In general, the town wins when all the mafia Dons are dead – including any new Dons that have “hatched.”

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In order to have a new Don, a family must have at least two Mades (I believe CA posted this earlier in the thread).

If either Barzine or Cunnio have enough Mades left, they can still elect a new Don. If not, then the dead of Craterus will mean game over for all mafia families and everything they achieved will be lost.

Thanks for the game. And congratulations to the town appointed Capo de Tutti Capi, Craterus.:bow:

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Originally Posted by Andres

In order to have a new Don, a family must have at least two Mades (I believe CA posted this earlier in the thread).

If either Barzine or Cunnio have enough Mades left, they can still elect a new Don. If not, then the dead of Craterus will mean game over for all mafia families and everything they achieved will be lost.

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Both Barzini and Cunnio have more than 2 Mades/Lucas left. Even if they didn't the town win requires Dons to be dead AND for the town to outnumber the remaining mafia. The only way for the town to win is if 8 more mafia die without any townies dying. Even in the current situation, the odds of that happening are essentially nothing. It's really just a question of which mafia family wins at this point.

A lot of dead mafioso are encouraging the "joint" victory because they want to be on the winning side. If a single family wins, instead of a general "mafia" victory, then people like Andres don't get to share in the glory. Given the superb efforts of Cunnio, Barzini, and Tataglia throughout this game, I don't see any reason why miscellaneous mafia who contributed far less should share in their well-earned victory. A single family victory is the proper and decent end to this game, it's just a question of a few final maneuvers to determine which family it will be.

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Originally Posted by Andres

In order to have a new Don, a family must have at least two Mades (I believe CA posted this earlier in the thread).

If either Barzine or Cunnio have enough Mades left, they can still elect a new Don. If not, then the dead of Craterus will mean game over for all mafia families and everything they achieved will be lost.

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So what are the current rosters? Would it be feasible for the Cunnios to eliminate one more of the Barzini, thus crippling them?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Both Barzini and Cunnio have more than 2 Mades/Lucas left. Even if they didn't the town win requires Dons to be dead AND for the town to outnumber the remaining mafia. The only way for the town to win is if 8 more mafia die without any townies dying. Even in the current situation, the odds of that happening are essentially nothing. It's really just a question of which mafia family wins at this point.

A lot of dead mafioso are encouraging the "joint" victory because they want to be on the winning side. If a single family wins, instead of a general "mafia" victory, then people like Andres don't get to share in the glory. Given the superb efforts of Cunnio, Barzini, and Tataglia throughout this game, I don't see any reason why miscellaneous mafia who contributed far less should share in their well-earned victory. A single family victory is the proper and decent end to this game, it's just a question of a few final maneuvers to determine which family it will be.

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Im sure you would love that. Petty minded mafia killing each other untill cripled so town could win. If there is any sense in the remaining players,they wont take that route.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Thanks for the game. And congratulations to the town appointed Capo de Tutti Capi, Craterus.:bow:

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I truly wanted you to win when I said you should better strike first, I think you played a good game nonetheless mate, don't be too sad, that truce was simply less stable than you thought and we all know miscalculations happen to the best of us.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Im sure you would love that. Petty minded mafia killing each other untill cripled so town could win. If there is any sense in the remaining players,they wont take that route.

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There's nothing petty about earning a win. The entire game is focused on a victory for either the townies or a single family. A single family victory is what every mafia family has been working towards for the entire game. Giving up on it now because a several dead mafioso are grumpy that they won't get a bonus score is absurd.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Both Barzini and Cunnio have more than 2 Mades/Lucas left. Even if they didn't the town win requires Dons to be dead AND for the town to outnumber the remaining mafia. The only way for the town to win is if 8 more mafia die without any townies dying. Even in the current situation, the odds of that happening are essentially nothing. It's really just a question of which mafia family wins at this point.

A lot of dead mafioso are encouraging the "joint" victory because they want to be on the winning side. If a single family wins, instead of a general "mafia" victory, then people like Andres don't get to share in the glory. Given the superb efforts of Cunnio, Barzini, and Tataglia throughout this game, I don't see any reason why miscellaneous mafia who contributed far less should share in their well-earned victory. A single family victory is the proper and decent end to this game, it's just a question of a few final maneuvers to determine which family it will be.

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Take a closer look at my previous posts. I'm not particularly in favour of a combined mafia victory.

But it would be smart for the mafia to focus on the mutual enemy, which is the town. They should take no risks with them. shlin is a doctor and who knows what powers Prole and Caius have still left. If all three of them have power roles, their combined efforts can still hurt a crippled mafia family. It's in the interest of each family to take out all townies first.

After that, the surviving mafiosi can fight it out in an honorable battle and the winner earns the title of Capo de Tutti Capi.

I'm not for a minute insinuating that Stracci can still be part of a victory. We were beaten at an early stage of the game. I already accepted that a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by Husar

I truly wanted you to win when I said you should better strike first, I think you played a good game nonetheless mate, don't be too sad, that truce was simply less stable than you thought and we all know miscalculations happen to the best of us.

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Il comment more when the game is over. What i dont get is town gloating over Cunnios with their marvellous strategy. What happened was that first the Tataglia "mafiosi" scottishranger and Gibsons betrayed their own Don and killed him, neither of them was original Tataglia. after that the town in unison offered the victory to Cunnios, by all voting me, any Don with half of brain would have taken that chance. So all we have is two more traitors and town electing Capo de Tutti Capi. Like i said in my description: There is no honour. I made it possible for the mafia to win, its up to the remaining players to decide what they want to do. As my first and foremost objective was mafia victory, i have instructed all remaining Barzini to join Cunnio. Its up to them if they want to do that or die fighting and allow the town possibility of victory.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

There's nothing petty about earning a win. The entire game is focused on a victory for either the townies or a single family. A single family victory is what every mafia family has been working towards for the entire game. Giving up on it now because a several dead mafioso are grumpy that they won't get a bonus score is absurd.

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There is no earning when something is given to you.

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Originally Posted by Andres

Take a closer look at my previous posts. I'm not particularly in favour of a combined mafia victory.

But it would be smart for the mafia to focus on the mutual enemy, which is the town. They should take no risks with them. shlin is a doctor and who knows what powers Prole and Caius have still left. If all three of them have power roles, their combined efforts can still hurt a crippled mafia family. It's in the interest of each family to take out all townies first.

After that, the surviving mafiosi can fight it out in an honorable battle and the winner earns the title of Capo de Tutti Capi.

I'm not for a minute insinuating that Stracci can still be part of a victory. We were beaten at an early stage of the game. I already accepted that a long time ago.

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Very true, Andres. Unfortunately the truce is already over and everyone knows there's no way to repair it. The remaining townies will be killed off by whoever wins tonight's duel, but for tonight at least, if one family goes after the townies, the other will gut them alive. Since there's no way to re-establish trust between the families at this point, the only option they have left is a straight up slugging match. Since the town can't kill, the determining factor is likely to be who the Tataglia and Corleone remnants side with.

So what the sudden silence? Tincow did your boys got revealed? there are two traitors from last night and everybody should know them: scottishranger and Gibsons. These characters killed their own Don. So its likely that they could be even pro town people, wating for the mafia to go at eachother. So i ask for the remaining mafioso not to go into war,but join, its clear that the town is trying to play you against each other.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

So what the sudden silence? Tincow did your boys got revealed? there are two traitors from last night and everybody should know them: scottishranger and Gibsons. These characters killed their own Don. So its likely that they could be even pro town people, wating for the mafia to go at eachother.

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I'm afraid Kage might be right. Instead of blaming each other, the families should have tried to think outside the box.

Are you guys 100 % sure that gibson and scottish are Mades? If they are, they can no longer go straight. If not, then they can still be playing pro-town.

Also, was EF really a Don?

Maybe the town is fooling you guys.

I've repeated this over and over again: kill the townies first! Every single one of them. They are still a threat to each family.

Don't make the exact same mistake as the town made by not making taking out Dutch a top priority.

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Originally Posted by Andres

I'm afraid Kage might be right. Instead of blaming each other, the families should have tried to think outside the box.

Are you guys 100 % sure that gibson and scottish are Mades? If they are, they can no longer go straight. If not, then they can still be playing pro-town.

Also, was EF really a Don?

Maybe the town is fooling you guys.

I've repeated this over and over again: kill the townies first! Every single one of them. They are still a threat to each family.

Don't make the exact same mistake as the town made by not making taking out Dutch a top priority.

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Im pretty sure both are wiseguys, and i think the Tataglia can confirm that.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Im pretty sure both are wiseguys, and i think the Tataglia can confirm that.

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If they are Wiseguys, then they should perform a family sanctioned kill tonight. If the target chosen by the mafia does not die, then you know they are still playing pro-town.

Worst case scenario:

Let's assume Caius has been promoted to Wiseguy (didn't he kill for the mafia?), this would mean that the town consists of:

3 wiseguys
1 doctor (shlin28)
1 unknown factor (Prole), could be anything: doctor, Wiseguy, detective, surgeon, secret power role (perfectly possible, you know, remember how she was always protected when attacked?)...

+ the combined efforts of lying and manipulating scumbags townies like TinCow, Crazed Rabbit and Louis...

Now, surviving mafiosi, this is a powerful foe, isn't it?

Killing Caius, Prole and shlin28 should be top priority. gibson and scottish need to be forced to perform a family sanctioned kill on one of those.

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Originally Posted by Andres

I'm afraid Kage might be right. Instead of blaming each other, the families should have tried to think outside the box.

Are you guys 100 % sure that gibson and scottish are Mades? If they are, they can no longer go straight. If not, then they can still be playing pro-town.

Also, was EF really a Don?

Maybe the town is fooling you guys.

I've repeated this over and over again: kill the townies first! Every single one of them. They are still a threat to each family.

Don't make the exact same mistake as the town made by not making taking out Dutch a top priority.

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Wasn't gibson a Made from the start? If so, and is EF was his Don, there's not much sense in killing his own Don and leaving his family with just 2 members, one of which may or may not be a Made. It might just be plausible in the early game, when there are still plenty of undecideds around who may help you top up your numbers, but the lines are drawn pretty clearly by this point.

I suppose drawing up a list of families and roles may help clarify this, as would an investigation on each of them. Providing they don't kill tonight, if they're wise guys, they'll show up as guilty, as wise guys show up as guilty for the rest of the game once they've been involved in at least one killing. If they're Mades, they'll show up as criminal, as Mades show up as criminal unless they're involved in killing the night they're investigated. I don't suppose they'll agree to give up their action for tonight though, so that test will remain purely theoretical.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Im pretty sure both are wiseguys, and i think the Tataglia can confirm that.

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A slight hole in your theory, that one. If they are both wiseguys, they couldn't have performed a 2 person hit. A 2 person mafia hit requires at least 1 Made.

Gibson and Scottish are with us. They joined the family after EF died, who by the way the Cunnio's did not do.

The Cunnio arent going to be killing any townies, its uneccesary. They helped us lynch Kage, securing their place in Fatlington. Besides, i think someone already stated, what would a town be without townies :beam:

Thank you to Prole, Caius, Shlin, T'Blade, and any other townies that helped.

So, Barzini, we dont want anymore blood. Just join the family, allowing the Cunnio to have more members then everyone, and ending this bloody game :yes:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

A slight hole in your theory, that one. If they are both wiseguys, they couldn't have performed a 2 person hit. A 2 person mafia hit requires at least 1 Made.

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Sorry no it doesnt.The hit was family hit, even if the target was their own Don. That explains the Italian language message. Nothing prohibits mafia attacking their own family. Good playing guys but not good enough.Anyway.Charge was the original made of Tataglia, not either of these guys. So it seems you moles have been found.

This is not me as a townie speaking, but me as a person. The town cannot win, but Craterus' has been planning this for some time, he has been manipulating you. Either he fooled Caius, or Caius is working for him. In our recent town discussions, it was Caius who pushed for us to Kill EF.

Yes, it was the town who killed EF! I wrote the write up, it was intentionally vague about how many killers there were, implying two. However, it was not our intention to kill him!

We believed he had a Luca, we only had two alive townies online (one of them may have been a wise guy, Caius). The plan was to have a failed hit on EF. We intended it to look like a failed mafia hit, which failed because of a Luca protection.

Caius discussed all of this with Craterus, who promised he would not kill any townies if we vote Kage the next day.

But the hit succeeded! There weren't enough townies for the hit to succeed, but there was a town contribution. Craterus must have sent a wise guy to make our attack succeed.


So now you know the whole truth. Craterus has been manipulating you, and the town, since the truce was first announced. Let me tell you this, Craterus manipulated the town, and I'm not too happy about that, we fought hard even to the bitter end, hatching our plan to try to trigger a war between the two families, but Craterus used us for his own ends.

Now, he is still using you. You risk nothing from the town. Why hand this manipulator (who has stayed hidden all game, not even killing) the game on a platter.


And so, Craterus' master plan is complete. Master of puppets pulling the strings. I can't wait to see that treacherous Sasaki Dance for his new overlord.

There is no way the town can win. There are three townies left alive. It would take all but 2 mafiosos to die for the town to win. That's not going to happen.

When you were threatened the first time, all the mafia banded together. You were afraid, so you ran to each other for comfort. But one player was playing Capo Di Tutti Capi; Craterus. Now he threatens you again, and offers you another comfort zone; a place on the winning team. Some winner you will be, nothing but a pawn.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

So it seems you moles have been found.

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Yep, and now they've infiltrated the Cunnio. Better kill them before they betray their "new" family.

No, we arent going to be killing our own family, nice try.

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

Gibson and Scottish are with us.

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If they are Wiseguys, they can still chose town. With all the backstabbing going on in this game, you cannot fully trust them until they have been promoted to Made Gangsters of your family.

If they chose the town's side, then the town will have 5 members, 3 of them Wiseguys, one of them a doctor and the 5th one probably a secret power role. Not a weak opponent.

Also, your family will have lost 2 members (scottish and gibson) and will probably lose another 1 or 2 in the killings that will follow.

Killing the townies is a priority.