Crusader Kings [Concluded]

Thank you for the extension honorable God, for I, your faithful bishop, had been busy as of late ((RL busy)).

As I mentioned. No Duke has a direct claim to the lands of Mide. As also mentioned the fief is under the nominal authority of the Pope, and by delegation, of me. As I also mention, the best way to settle this dispute cordially is to verify who is the most pious of all Dukes, and in return for his devotion to the God and to the Holy Father, I may relinquish the lands of Mide in the name of the Pope and entrust it to the care of one Duke.

Your Grace,
Have you considered a possibility of Mide becoming a Church County? I know that in mainland the Church is holding large estates in order to gain wealth for all the God´s good work it is doing helping the poor, sickly and less fortuned ones?

Duke of Connaught

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Your Grace,
Have you considered a possibility of Mide becoming a Church County? I know that in mainland the Church is holding large estates in order to gain wealth for all the God´s good work it is doing helping the poor, sickly and less fortuned ones?

Duke of Connaught

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We had slightly considered that possibility, your lordship Duke of Connaught, but we never gave it much thought. For the lands of Mide are as much the lands of God as they are of the folks of the island. As such, if that is the consensus of the Dukes that the lands of Mide should come to be ruled directly by the Holy Church in the name of the Pope, then we will look with brim and joy to see that the rulers of this fair island are indeed caring to see a strong and just Church that evenly settles the disputes of the island and looks after its people, the lambs of God.

I will excuse myself from making any early remarks or give my support towards such a possibility without the approval of the faithful Dukes of Ireland, as I am only here as a mediator and not as a claimant for the lands.

While it is an honourable thought to put Mide under the inspired leadership of the Church, I fear it may have several risks involved. First of all, while I understand and agree the need of a County dedicated to the Holy Father, extending his dominion on this earth would perhaps make those weak in their faith think that ruling on Earth is better than ruling the Heavens above. And I am sadly of the impression after the already heated debate that it would also cause some men of less devout spirit to look to his lands with greed and envy in their eyes. It is known that a good Christian leads not his fellow man into sin willfullly.

We hope to solve this in the way already put forth, but if it come to that, it is of course better for God to rule Mide in peace than man to rule it war.

I have all the faith in God´s representative in these lands to Govern land just as well as attend to the souls of sinners. I feel i have spoken so much as of late that i would like to listen now what the Duke´s of Ulster and Munster have to say concerning this proposal.

Duke of Connaught

Since I am partly to blame for the bad taste in everybodys mouth, and for talking out of my place, I offer Duke Kage my most sincerest apology, It was not my place to interfere.

Munster is recruiting!

It seems we have an inactive player and he sadly happened to be our Duke, so should anyone like to join this game, you might want to consider us, as you would have a shot at becoming Duke. :beam:

[Yeah, that's kinda bad roleplay isn't it ? :smug2:]

Personally I thought that Duke Kagemusha's idea, of granting Mide to the tournament winner, Lord TCV, was a respectable idea, given the circumstances. If one deserves a new land, it's this brave warrior, as he currently holds no title in Munster.

I will grant my support for the granting of Mide to the Church. The Lord and his delegates will surely a better caretaker of the flock than another Duke. Mide as a battlefield between contesting dukes would be a disaster that would befall many neighboring provinces. May the Church serve as a bastion of stability and support.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Munster is recruiting!

It seems we have an inactive player and he sadly happened to be our Duke, so should anyone like to join this game, you might want to consider us, as you would have a shot at becoming Duke. :beam:

[Yeah, that's kinda bad roleplay isn't it ? :smug2:]

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Cent pmed me to let me know he's beeon on holiday and will be back tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Personally I thought that Duke Kagemusha's idea, of granting Mide to the tournament winner, Lord TCV, was a respectable idea, given the circumstances. If one deserves a new land, it's this brave warrior, as he currently holds no title in Munster.

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I second this. Our Knight bested all put before him, and it is most unfortunate he is without proper holdings befitting of such a Lord. However, I would be overjoyed if these lands were to be trusted to our welcomed visitor who traveled so far, and so long, to bless our lands in these troubled times.

While TVC's achievements were indeed most aweinspireing, it must be his own liege's "duty" to grant him land..?

I personally support the idea of giving Mide to the church, it is probably the best for the inhabitants of the county as they would certainly be the ones to suffer, should war over their land break out. We will have to wait on the word of my Duke Kagemusha and the Dukes of Leinster and Munster of course.

I have already spoken on that topic, in great length no less. It is a better solution than openly competing to win the county, but if it could be settled peacefully between the Dukes, I would rather that. God's reign is in Heaven, and Man's is on earth, and I would not burden the Church unnecesarily with a piece of land that seems to bring more trouble and envy than blessings with it.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

I have already spoken on that topic, in great length no less. It is a better solution than openly competing to win the county, but if it could be settled peacefully between the Dukes, I would rather that. God's reign is in Heaven, and Man's is on earth, and I would not burden the Church unnecesarily with a piece of land that seems to bring more trouble and envy than blessings with it.

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Excuse me, my liege, but the Donatio Constantini states that all of the West belongs to the pope and the bishop is above worldly rulers. And we wouldn't want problems with the church, now do we?

I don't think envy will be the problem. No man with any love of God, even less a nobleman would dare to openly ride to war against the church, therefore I think under the rulership of the church the people of Mide have the best hope for peace.

Duke of Connaught speaks:

"It warms my heart that we seem to be arriving into almost single minded decision over this matter. I thank you Munster vassals for noticing merit in my earlier suggestion of giving Mide to the strongest knight among us, but unfortunately like it was discussed two days a go. That cant be done. Still if it wont be the strongest martially of us to protect the Mide. Then so it should be the strongest in Lord.

Thus i will make it clear that Connaught will support adding Mide to the Church holdings and our Good Bishop should rule it as ecclestial County. In order to further help the Church. Connaught will give 30 gold from our funds, so a house of Lord can be erected at Mide.

I urge every Lord here to swear to protect Mide from anyone who might try to wrestle the County away from Church. Leinster. You said earlier that if your proposal will not gain support.You will support this one as second best. Now that others have supported for Mide to go the Church, will you do so also?"

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Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Excuse me, my liege, but the Donatio Constantini states that all of the West belongs to the pope and the bishop is above worldly rulers. And we wouldn't want problems with the church, now do we?

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*Gives a disapproving scowl*

Someone needs to mind their tone.

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Originally Posted by Skooma Addict

*Gives a disapproving scowl*

Someone needs to mind their tone.

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Interesting, duke of what?

*Folds his arms, looks towards the ground and gives a light chuckle*

Gentlemen! The hour is late and still no answer from Leinster! Should we think that we cant reach an concensus in this issue or can we?

Leinster will be content with the rule of the Church in Mide if that is how things end up. I have exchanged letters with Cardinal Jolt and I am currently awaiting his reply which might clarify my and his position on this issue. Until then I cannot provide a more enlightening answer.

Thank you for your answer Duke of Leinster. It is enough for Connaught.

I've been asked about another extension, so I'll extend 36 hours, I'll not be able to do a write up tomorrow so it'll be Thursday. I'll accept orders until I officially end the phase.

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(Sorry for being away. Am here now)

Phase over, there's quite a bit to get through for this phase so it may take a while.

1071

1071 in Ireland saw the four Duchies endlessly debate how to handle the problem of Mide, the independent County in a strategical important position in the centre of the island. The previous Count had died with no heir, despite much discussion only Leinster mad an official proclamation on how the County would be ruled, saying it should go to Bishop Jolt. Unfortunately with no army, Jolt was in position to move into the County. It seemed the problem of Mide would continue into 1072, bandits had already infested the County, it had previously been one of the most prosperous in Ireland, it was fast falling to lawlessness and banditry.

End of phase two

I'll do each Dukedom and individuals results and events over the next 24 hours, there's quite a bit to it, most will be in the QTs but a few people will get individual pms. Phase two will begin when it is all done.

Another tourney will be held next year, in Munster.

Chancellors:

Ulster: Ibn-Khaldun.
Connaught: autolycus.
Leinster: God Emperor.
Munster: Romanic.

It is disturbing that us , rulers of these lands cant make a decisions amongst ourselves. I admit that i am just as to blame as any man here, but can we please now make a decision over Mide. I propose that Mide will go to the Church and each Duke will send 300 men to take it for the Church, maybe Ulster shoudl send 200 because how much they have given to the Church as of late? Can we agree on this? If so. I propose for the tornament winner to lead them so we dont get into a fight who should lead the army.Would this be acceptable?

I was under the impression that giving the church two counties would make some priests more susceptible to the Devil's corruption?

Duke of Connaught buries his head inside his palms.