Originally Posted by HoreTore:
That's normal. But it has all been documented.
Yes, I know for a fact that the Eurabia nonsense isn't true.
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Originally Posted by HoreTore:
That's normal. But it has all been documented.
Yes, I know for a fact that the Eurabia nonsense isn't true.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Of course it was a trap. I took an editorial from 1939 from the pro-Nazi (at the time) Daily Mail, and just substituted Jews for muslims.
Sounds ok to me, where's the trap
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Originally Posted by :
3) George Ward Price, Daily Mail (9th October, 1939)
Another war-problem is that of the aliens in our midst. We are being very indulgent to them. There is good reason to think that in some cases our indulgence is being abused. From facts within my own knowledge, I believe that many enemy agents came here as refugees. Many of these alien immigrants are Jews. They should be careful not to arouse the same resentment here as they have stirred up in so many countries.
I dislike as much as anyone else the Nazi persecution of that race, but it is a fact that the Jews were getting a stranglehold on German life out of all proportion to their avowed numbers. Many of the German Jews, often themselves recent immigrants from Eastern Europe, were the worst of their kind. In this country the national character is strong enough to absorb the better Hebrew type; in Germany, the Jewish aliens formed a class-conscious, self-interested community, and the misdeeds of some brought down reprisals on the rest.
The Jews:
Spoke the German language
Followed German laws above their own religious laws
Were in many cases extremely patriotic
Were well integrated (well, they had been there for hundreds of years)
Often why finding Jews was so difficult as to anyone but the clinically insane they were in the main indistinguishable from other Germans (as outside Propaganda they wern't all 6'4" blonde, blue eyed supermen.)
Can the same be said now?
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Originally Posted by Idaho:
Oh me so busted. Now that we are in godwin territory, did you know that Mein Kampf is THE bestseller in the muslim world. Which is hardly surprising given the rampant anti-semitism among muslims (and no not all but A LOT).
Of course it was a trap. I took an editorial from 1939 from the pro-Nazi (at the time) Daily Mail, and just substituted Jews for muslims.
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV:
Sorry for not being clear, it was immigrants from muslim countries I'm talking about, since I don't see how the number of aussies or vietnamese are relevant when talking about sharia...
If the bold part is true, I should be absolutely horrified... We have more than 10% immigrants already...
Also, Norway don't specialize in accepting Somalis a.k.a. "Africa's answer to Gypsies" to the extent Sweden do.
That stat for Sweden in 2010 is around 4-5%, according to Pew Research Center(sane research). In 2030, they estimate tha you will have just under 10%. 10% is the highest percentage in 2030(belgium and france), with the average in europe being around 7%.
Now you need to divide that number by two to get the number of people who belong to a mosque(with the assumption that those who do not are not muslims, roughly speaking). Then you need to divide by three to get the number of people who go to a mosque regularly. And finally, from that small percentage, you can find those who want to implement Sharia. Should be around 5% or so of the muslim population, about the same as the number of whackjob christians in the christian population.
We'll be safe, Kadagar.
Of course, having a 90% muslim population does not equal sharia either, in any way. Muslim countries range from theocracies with divine law(Iran, Saudi Arabia) to democracies with secular law(Turkey, Albania). Believing that we will turn to sharia once we have x amount of our population affiliated with Islam is completely unfounded.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
It has not, no. Batty bat ye'or and others have dug up some random documents(including a literature convention, for crying out loud) who they claim support their lunacy. It does not. In any way. Eurabia has a grand total of 0 - zero - facts to back it up.
That's normal. But it has all been documented.
It's no more than a collection of hate, fear of the unknown, fascist nostalgia and psychiatric disorders.
It's obvious that Eurabia proponents have issues. They should be given proper medical care, not be allowed to embarass themselves.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Rofl.
Oh me so busted. Now that we are in godwin territory, did you know that Mein Kampf is THE bestseller in the muslim world. Which is hardly surprising given the rampant anti-semitism among muslims (and no not all but A LOT).
The "mein kampf bestseller"-myth once again. I see you are really working hard to prove the extreme right has no clue.
This myth originated from this story. It's almost a half-truth, I'll give you that. While the article describes India, it is at least a part of India with a few muslims. So, there were probably a lot of Muslim Indians who bought it too, even though the purpose was to learn management techniques, not world domination.
Not satisfied with just that, however, the nutters in the counterjihad-religion generalized the report and pretended that it said "best seller across all of the muslim world" instead of "a part of india". They also made the event timeless, even though the article described just a short period of time. And lastly, the article is based on hearsay and the opinions of a few street sellers, there are no hard facts whatsoever.
Yes it has been well documented. it's normal that people who know, for a fact, that it simply isn't true know,for a fact, that it's full of nonsense. But the documents are all included.
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
Can't just decide it is a myth, it really has to be one
Rofl.
The "mein kampf bestseller"-myth once again. I see you are really working hard to prove the extreme right has no clue.
This myth originated from this story. It's almost a half-truth, I'll give you that. While the article describes India, it is at least a part of India with a few muslims. So, there were probably a lot of Muslim Indians who bought it too, even though the purpose was to learn management techniques, not world domination.
Not satisfied with just that, however, the nutters in the counterjihad-religion generalized the report and pretended that it said "best seller across all of the muslim world" instead of "a part of india". They also made the event timeless, even though the article described just a short period of time. And lastly, the article is based on hearsay and the opinions of a few street sellers, there are no hard facts whatsoever.
Even BBC covered it, Turkey this case http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4361733.stm
Originally Posted by Fragony:
...and the point is that the documents Bat Ye'or refers to are worthless.
Yes it has been well documented. it's normal that people who know, for a fact, that it simply isn't true know,for a fact, that it's full of nonsense. But the documents are all included.
Originally Posted by Fragony:
so... 50.000 Turks bought Mein Kampf.
Can't just decide it is a myth, it really has to be one
Even BBC covered it, Turkey this case http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4361733.stm
Out of curiosity; if a cheap paperback version was published in another country with the same population, how many would've been sold?
Claiming "Mein Kampf is a best seller in the Muslim world" based on 50.000 turks buying a cheap veersion of it is disingenous in the extreme. Your conclusion is in no way supported by your facts, frags.
So, I stick with "Mein Kampf bestseller"-myth. And yes, I do realize that the fanatically convinced will not change their opinions no matter what facts you show them. I am fully aware that this is an excercise in futility.
It's an excersise in futility allright as lefties will never accept any critisism of religion. It's a bestseller in just about the whole arab world, the Arab translation is a major hit. People who know, for a fact, that Islam is peace, just can't accept it that it's not. They wouldn't be right and there is something very wrong about that
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erm what are you smoking?
It's an excersise in futility allright as lefties will never accept any critisism of religion.
I am a "lefty" and, like many other "Lefties" I know, I am an Atheist - I have what can only be described as a Hate Hate relationship with just about every major Religion out there - I am highly critical of Religion
you are not criticising a Religion - you are spouting conspiracy theory's
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms you can level at Islam (their treatment of women for example), or just about any Religion and I am sure Horetore would join in over valid concerns - but spouting half truths and out right fabrications just makes you look the the man on the corner holding the "End is Nigh" sign
Originally Posted by Sir Moody:
Ha, lefties will cheer you on if you critisize christianity, but will claw out your eyes if you critisize islam for the same, but in reality much better reasons. Lefties are not atheists as they worship multiculture, which is also just another religion that needs to be trashed.
erm what are you smoking?
I am a "lefty" and, like many other "Lefties" I know, I am an Atheist - I have what can only be described as a Hate Hate relationship with just about every major Religion out there - I am highly critical of Religion
you are not criticising a Religion - you are spouting conspiracy theory's
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms you can level at Islam (their treatment of women for example), or just about any Religion and I am sure Horetore would join in over valid concerns - but spouting half truths and out right fabrications just makes you look the the man on the corner holding the "End is Nigh" sign
Your England http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-adviser.html
Amen
Originally Posted by Sir Moody:
It is indeed the "end of the world is nigh"-thingy I really can't stand. Not with my fellow commies, and not with the right. The US ain't looking to enslave us all under capitalism, nor are them dar muslims trying to take our freedomz.
erm what are you smoking?
I am a "lefty" and, like many other "Lefties" I know, I am an Atheist - I have what can only be described as a Hate Hate relationship with just about every major Religion out there - I am highly critical of Religion
you are not criticising a Religion - you are spouting conspiracy theory's
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms you can level at Islam (their treatment of women for example), or just about any Religion and I am sure Horetore would join in over valid concerns - but spouting half truths and out right fabrications just makes you look the the man on the corner holding the "End is Nigh" sign
The world will carry on, and it will always be better and better, as it has done throughout history.
One other thing I really can't stand, is how everything is "culturalized". When there's something happening with ethnic groups, "culture" is always the answer for quite a few people. Indians and pakistanis get good grades? Culture. Somalis doing crime? Culture. Poles being carpenters? Culture. Moroccans unemployed? Culture. Bah, nonsense. Good ol' class structures can explain all of it perfectly. Thou shalt never stray from Marxism. "Culture" is irrelevant, and in reality culture is just the expression of a social class. So, class struggle is still the issue and solution.
I simply love how some r-tards honestly believe that proper marxists give a damn about something as irrelevant as "culture". A marxist disregards culture completely and will always look at class, you twats.
Cobblers. Certain backgrounds work harder than others. Certain backgrounds have increased interest in job stability than others. Or please explain HOW class structure explains the massive over-representation of those from the Indian subcontinent in Medicine in the UK.
~:smoking:
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Right-wing logic 101:
Your England http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-adviser.html
Amen
The media always lies. They always fabricate stories. They're all liberal and will hide anything exposing the liberal agenda. They always twist and turn your words.
Except when they print a story which is in your favour. Then, none of the above applies. In those instances,the media is a shining beacon of truth.
And whe the story is debunked minutes later, it's because the media is in the grasp of liberals.
I'll say that once more, so you can follow it:
The media is Liberal Lies.
Then they suddenly turn into Conservative Truth for a moment, to publish the Article of Absolute Truth.
Then, seconds later, the media morphs back into Liberal Lies.
Got that, kids? In everyday speech, that is what we would refer to as "loonies". "Right-wing Logic" simply means "No Logic At All".
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk:
Simple, rory. The indian immigrants to the UK belonged to a specific social class in India, and India also had a specific socialclass system(like any country does). The combination of these two classes will result in X when it meets the social class system of England.
Cobblers. Certain backgrounds work harder than others. Certain backgrounds have increased interest in job stability than others. Or please explain HOW class structure explains the massive over-representation of those from the Indian subcontinent in Medicine in the UK.
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Simple, eh?
The somalis belong to one class.
The indians belong to one class.
The polish belong to yet another class.
Thus, all three should have different results when immigrating to the UK. And, lo and behold, they did get different results! Marxism triumphs once more! Come on everyone, let's all sing the International!
And you are completely correct in saying that different class backgrounds behave in different ways.
You are defining class by not only but what they do but also on their race in which case your example becomes self fulfilling. Class could end up being broken down as required to fit data until almost every individual is viewed as being in their own "class".
~:smoking:
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk:
Race is a social construct and a myth, and so I pay absolutely no attention to it.
You are defining class by not only but what they do but also on their race in which case your example becomes self fulfilling. Class could end up being broken down as required to fit data until almost every individual is viewed as being in their own "class".
~:smoking:
It is, however, a clear fact that India, Poland and Somalia are in three very different economic situations. That also applies to the emmigrants fro those countries. Thus, if we hypothesize that class determines behaviour, we should expect diffrent behaviour from the three groups.
And we do see different behaviour in the three groups, and so our hypothesis is proven. Conclusion: screw culture, bring on the classes!
Originally Posted by HoreTore:
But it wasn't debunked
Right-wing logic 101:
The media always lies. They always fabricate stories. They're all liberal and will hide anything exposing the liberal agenda. They always twist and turn your words.
Except when they print a story which is in your favour. Then, none of the above applies. In those instances,the media is a shining beacon of truth.
And whe the story is debunked minutes later, it's because the media is in the grasp of liberals.
I'll say that once more, so you can follow it:
The media is Liberal Lies.
Then they suddenly turn into Conservative Truth for a moment, to publish the Article of Absolute Truth.
Then, seconds later, the media morphs back into Liberal Lies.
Got that, kids? In everyday speech, that is what we would refer to as "loonies". "Right-wing Logic" simply means "No Logic At All".
actually it was
this took 20 seconds to find Frag you are going to have to try harder...
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...clarification/
tl:dr:
the Advisor in question claims the media vastly overstated his comments
and this doesn't even mention this is just an OPINION of one EX advisor who has no proof and is going by "a feeling" he had while working with Labour
utter over blown codswallop
Originally Posted by Sir Moody:
Do we suddenly like blogs when it suits, typical. That is no rectification nor a debunking
actually it was
this took 20 seconds to find Frag you are going to have to try harder...
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...clarification/
the Advisor in question claims the media vastly overstated his comments
and this doesn't even mention this is just an OPINION of one EX advisor who has no proof and is going by "a feeling" he had while working with Labour
utter over blown codswallop
the blog actually links to the guys column ... go read that if you want - the quote is directly from the Advisors own column in the London Standard
here is the link if you are feeling lazy
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/how-i...g-6739051.html
Originally Posted by Sir Moody:
It's a collumn not a rectification
the blog actually links to the guys column ... go read that if you want - the quote is directly from the Advisors own column in the London Standard
here is the link if you are feeling lazy
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/how-i...g-6739051.html
I give up... its a column written by the guy whose comments started the whole thing saying it was mostly overstated by the Right wing media
I cant give you much better than that its the freaking Horses mouth...
Originally Posted by Sir Moody:
That's also what the maker of Femme de la rue says. Silly girl
I give up... its a column written by the guy whose comments started the whole thing saying it was mostly overstated by the Right wing media.
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk:
That's really not true at all. While there are famous examples of very Germanised, patriotic jews (Fritz Haber is an excellent example), this wasn't the whole picture of German jewry, and definitely not a good description of jewry across central europe. My great grandfater couldn't speak "real" German, only Yiddish. And he came from a village (in modern Austria) which was, like many european villages and small towns, either entirely jewish, or with a distinct jewish ghetto.
The Jews:
Spoke the German language
Followed German laws above their own religious laws
Were in many cases extremely patriotic
Were well integrated (well, they had been there for hundreds of years)
Often why finding Jews was so difficult as to anyone but the clinically insane they were in the main indistinguishable from other Germans (as outside Propaganda they wern't all 6'4" blonde, blue eyed supermen.)
Can the same be said now?
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But how can you control the banking system by only speaking yiddish? Those Germans you are trying to screw over will catch on quick!
Torpedoed that theory.
Dear god, this whole thread is one giant burn!
Great one HoreTore. :bounce: