Now that is indeed a positive development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
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Now that is indeed a positive development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
I am pleased by those photos.
And I fear for the lives of the people in them.
Though I know this sounds silly but I keep getting distracted by that kids sign- "America this is not the pehavior of our Islam and Profit."
Its touching to know that this kid put in the effort to make such a sign. He didnt get the grammar right but who cares? Its a touching thought.
Profit does not lead to murder. We all know that. Corporations are people, too.
A follow-up on the dubbing theory:
Gawker:
CNN:Quote:
The story of the Muhammed movie which sparked deadly protests in Libya and Egypt gets weirder. The actors who appeared in it had no idea they were starring in anti-Islam propaganda which depicts Muhammed as a child molester and thug. They were deceived by the film's director, believing they were appearing in a film about the life of a generic Egyptian 2,000 years ago.
Cindy Lee Garcia, an actress from Bakersfield, Calif., has a small role in the Muhammed movie as a woman whose young daughter is given to Muhammed to marry. But in a phone interview this afternoon, Garcia told us she had no idea she was participating in an offensive spoof on the life of Muhammed when she answered a casting call through an agency last summer and got the part.
Starting to look interesting.Quote:
A statement released on the behalf of the 80 cast and crew members of "Innocence of Muslims," a film that reportedly prompted Tuesday protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, indicates that they are not happy with the film and were misled by the producer.
"The entire cast and crew are extremely upset and feel taken advantage of by the producer. We are 100% not behind this film and were grossly misled about its intent and purpose," the statement says. "We are shocked by the drastic re-writes of the script and lies that were told to all involved. We are deeply saddened by the tragedies that have occurred."
One of them was a popular gamer
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...185547152.html
So America is finally feeling a little bit of the pain it has inflicted on so many of Libya's most defenseless peoples with this latest intervention. I have absolutely no sympathy for Christopher Stevens or the others. Meddlers, all of them. We learned the consequences in blood and treasure of overthrowing a secular, rational regime in the Middle East and trying to replace it with a democracy based on human rights in Iraq. The throngs don't want it and don't deserve it. People largely get the leadership they deserve, and the people in that region simply require a strong hand, or should I say, a strong man. There's really no point anymore in mentioning the absolute insanity of the local's behavior. Muslims have been redefining the word 'overreaction' for years now. As Einstein said, true insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. And now they cannot wait to get into Syria...
There are times I simply adore you, Strike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
I said a prayer for the families and the deceased in this episode. Quite sickening, all told, but if anything surprisingly infrequent when you pause to think about it.
Hax,
Again.
Personally I need more. If YOU want a religion you are proud of, then that religion must start to adhere to some of the basic principles as to how the rest of us view religions.
Even in Sweden we have imams with absolutely HORRIBLE views, and they are not shut up. I agree with you, I much agree with you, with the fact that they are often argued against. But, I don't care much if some imams are for blowing young Swedes up on the streets, and more imams are against a young Swede getting blown up on the streets.
My PROBLEM is that there is a young Swede blowing himself up in the street.
The same view is true from a larger perspective as well.
So again, until you go through your religions ranks and get rid of the more unwanted actors, you will have to deal with being lumped together with them.
The christian church, as well as all other religions, have had its own cleansings over the years. Otherwise they would today have had to deal with the same loons you now do. But that they have had the same problems but dealt with them, while you still have the problems but dont' deal with them. That wont get your religion any respect from me.
Me? I'm just a crazy atheist thinking the world would be a better place if people focused more on discovering space, inner and outer, than age old books and myths.
You sure about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
Yes. Stevens was an early advocate of the Libyan adventure. Unlike a true diplomat, he chose sides early before ascertaining a true understanding of the situation and didn't waver in his support for the rebellion no matter how many immigrants hung from the lamp posts of Benghazi. Where once a nation existed, now we have a vast lawless expanse filled with vying tribal warlords who the 'government' dares not interfere with for fear of losing their nominal control over Tripoli.Quote:
Originally Posted by rvg
He was reckless in his diplomacy, and, judging from the security situation at the consulate, he was reckless with his life. I do have sympathy for the poor bastards that are going to have to go into that godforsaken place and try to clean up his mess.
I think MRD is talking about the statement from the US Embassy in Egypt:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
CRQuote:
The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others
The man was simply towing the company line, all our little adventures are under the guise of this sort of liberation theology. I sympathize and honor him, if only because he decided to put his money where his mouth wasQuote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
I'm thinking the other guy from the state department, who was a big wig in Eve Online, may have brought this on. Maybe he ripped off some online credits from Chinese gold farmers, and they decided to engage in some PK
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Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
There were also two marines that died defending the consulate and some schmuck who worked there. What's their crime?Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
Not understanding that there is only one god and mohammed is his prophet? I mean, duh. Everyone knows if you yell that to the mob they will whisk you away for Chai and butt rape you far less than the non believers. Soldiers need ot learn their soundbytesQuote:
Originally Posted by rvg
And yet, Libya ruled by a reformed, anti-Islamist, former terrorist was a less destabilizing presence in the world than today's Libya, where Islamic extremists have free range over much of the country. Geopolitics stresses the unproductive nature of grasping on to the past instead of focusing on the present. Western interests, and in fact the interests of many Libyans, were better served with Gaddafi in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by CBR
Meddling, as I stated in my first post.Quote:
Originally Posted by RVG
That's pathetic. Their job is to do what their country tells them. Spitting on the pawns is nothing but elitist. And I fully agree with your assessment of Islamic middle eastern societies.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
I am going to feel pity for two American soldiers who just wanted to protect the lives of American citizens on American soil from an angry mob. To suggest that because they were wrapped up in geopolitical politics that we find ugly that we should not feel bad is to cast a negative light on every soldier that died in Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not a bleeding heart, I just feel like this is a case of hate the game not the player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
When I was in afghanistan, I looked fowrard to the large breasted Polish girls who scooped my macaroni and cheese in the Fluor DFAC, and the model class Jordanian broads who walked around spreading multiculturalism in their hotpants during Zuma class. I don't really know wtf the war was about
...Huh, could have sworn that the church was refusing and actively resisting attempts to cleanse itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
Yemen joins the fun
A peaceful one in Iran -> Iranians protest film outside Swiss Embassy
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Originally Posted by Fragony
Of course things like this go on as long as there is no consequence for the actions.
Maybe Obama’s statement wasn’t quite strong enough.
What else can he do but condemning it and sending a few ships for evacuations should it be necesary.
live footage from Yemen http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven....html#comments
So, which leadership do the Germans deserve?Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
a) Nazis
b) Merkel
c) the Iron Chancellor
Which leadership do the pre-colonisation indigenous Amercians deserve?
a) George W. Bush
b) John F. Kennedy
c) British colonial rule
d) Chieftain Big-Butt
and the Libyans?
a) Fascist Italy
b) Constitutional monarchy
c) Gaddafi
d) the post-revolution leadership
Help me out here, I am not so good at eastern mysticism.
This was my first thought on the matter... This was just a carried out plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
GaDaffy sympathizers instigated this and used a bad cover "some obscure anti-muslim film" to further fuel the extremists.
This was an act of war (killing a nation's diplomatic envoys and ambassador) in the hopes of US retaliations against Libya. If lucky USA will cut diplomacy with the current government and maybe free the way back to power.
So, how would you define that? Is having a consulate in Benghazi a form of meddling, or is working at the said consulate considered to be meddling? How exactly did those two security guys "meddle"?Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
Do you expect me to write his speeches for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
He could talk a bit tougher, whether he means it or not.
The US looks like it is in a weak position and can’t do a thing. What effect do you think that will have?
Yemen is a result of the statement and the policy. Now it is just party time down at the embassy until these people find a new dog to beat.
Meantime Obama should fire his staff and hire someone with a little more sense.