"Zero Tolerance" is the dumbest idea in the history of mankind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
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"Zero Tolerance" is the dumbest idea in the history of mankind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla
Can't agree. Too many dumb ideas from too many cultures for me to agree with that claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
He is a scumbag, we all know that.
Also, I've been living here my entire life and have yet to been shot.
1 pedophile caught in a police sting, 1 kindergartner dead of a brain tumor, no shootings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
Whereas in my neck of the woods ... did I mention that the wife took my youngest to Milwaukee today?
Suspect in custody after shots fired at Children's Hospital
WAUWATOSA - A suspect is in custody after reports of shots fired at Children's Hospital Thursday afternoon, the hospital confirmed.
The hospital says there is "no continuing threat."
Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke says Wauwatosa Police tried to serve the 22-year-old black male a warrant for his arrest for felony possesion of a firearm on the 7th floor Neonatal Unit.
The suspect fled, and pulled out a handgun. Officers then fired several shots at the suspect, wounding him. He is currently being treated for non-life threatening injuries at Froedtert Hosptial.
That sounds.... irrational.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
If he's going into DC proper, maybe not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Let me get this straight. The police decided the best place to serve a warrant on an armed individual was in a neo-natal ward? Dahmer proved that Milwaukee cops weren't exactly the brightest, but, really?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Never would have been a problem if the babies concealed carried.Quote:
Originally Posted by drone
I agree, and I have told him that more than twice that he will be fine as long as he just exercises common sense, but he says he can't imagine having to stay out of certain areas for a given time period because in Canada you can walk anywhere you want at any time and feel safe. Sure dude, sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Hollywood is to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
I disagree. Ignorance is to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiaexz
If you choose to let movies dictate your worries and novels undercut your faith or news broadcasts dictate your thinking.....the problem is not the purveyor of the pablum but the person spooning it in.
Oh no, we're well aware that Hollywood isn't real. If it were we might actually be rabid fanboys shouting USA and think the whole US government consists of marines, FBI, CIA and a few fighter pilots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
No. We get rather more than you seem to be aware of. Like this. Choice excerpt:
Fascinating stuff. Let's not get into the forced arrested person to undergo surgical procedures without reason whatsoever details too much, they're less than appetising.Quote:
the United States outdoes India when it comes to custodial rapes of women by law enforcement personnel
Well, at least you can buy a gun to defend yourself from the state. Or can you only rent one as a tourist?
How does that work anyway?
You are not allowed as you are not American, so you have no rights to the constitution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Well, if you buy it to defend yourself from police torture, then I doubt you'd want to ask the police about it first...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiaexz
In states with background checks it might prove difficult if they don't use the NSA databases for the background checks but on some gun fair in Alabama where noone asks for anything, it might just work, right?
And then, when some cops with shady hoods/hats follow you, you may want to preemptively strike them before they enter your private zones. If you wait until they grab your arms it's too late.
And how can the constitution not apply to me while I'm there? Does that mean the laws don't apply either? I can see how benefits such as unemployment benefits do not apply, but a selective application of rights seem shady. After all the declaration of independence reads: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Do I have to assume that they forgot about the rights for all humans around the time they made the constitution? The whole gun debate always boils down to getting a gun to defend your right to life and the pursuit of happiness. Denying the right to defend your life to other humans clearly goes against the spirit of the DoI.
The constitution wasn't written for blacks and other brown people, so I doubt it was written for krauts on holiday...Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
I've never really been able to understand how sensible people can venerate a document written by(and allowing for) people who thought it was a splendid idea to kidnap people and put them to work for the rest of their lives, and kill or rape them as they pleased. What a wonderful bunch of idiots that was.
Actually, the only race mentioned in the original text of the Constitution were "Indians." [Amerinds, Native Americans, First Peoples] The only other delineation was between free and non-free persons.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
As to the "kidnapping" portion, The Constitution did provide for a ban on the importation of slaves beginning in 1808, and Congress enacted such a law at the earliest possible date mentioned in the Constitution. This followed even earlier attempts to restrict shipping and ship construction for the trade. Nevertheless, slavery was our "original sin" as a nation, stands as the least moral component of our society at the time of our founding, and was not expiated until more than half a million of us died "arguing" the issue.
The Constitution was also written to be amended and improved, which we have done regarding this issue.
I acknowledge that Norway allowed slavery to die out even before the New World was discovered, to your credit, but it is not as though slaves weren't mentioned in your own legal documents of the past (e.g. The Gulating [sic?] code). Dig far enough back and almost all societies fail when judged by today's moral standard on the issue.
Oh, and foreigners living in the USA legally may purchase firearms. The typical residency requirements for purchase functionally restrict sales to tourists. Dealers at shows tend to follow the same rules that brick & mortar stores do regarding firearms, but private sales (person to person, no dealer status), though they are supposed to follow the same basic rules, are difficult to oversee and restrict.
First of all Seamus, I go by peoples actions - the constitution was written by slave-owners, and they didn't stop doing it. Obviously, when the constitution talks about "all men being free", black people weren't in their minds(but africans are animals anyway, right?).
And a small history lesson: Gulating was the legal code for the western portion of Norway only, and westerners are widely known to be barbaric savages(just look at @Sigurd ). Each part of Norway had their own laws(think of us like a mini-HRE) until Magnus Lagabøte made a law for the entire country a couple of centuries later. Then we became danes, of course, and worked hard to ship slaves over to the US.
Still, I have very few problems with that, just like I have very few problems with the US constitution or even our own jew-banning one. What I do have a problem with are those who make the creators of those laws into divine beings whose unparallelled wisdom created a perfect law for all time. That's the problem, those who can't seem to understand that they where men of their time creating laws for their time, which may not be useful in our time, no more than the laws of the Eidsivating are useful for me.
Well, if you plan to use it against police officers anyway, the legality of acquiring it may be the least of your worries.
As a completely submissive pro-government commie I doubt I'd personally run into any big problems with the police force in the USA, and for the healthcare you usually get some overseas policy from your own insurance before you go abroad, no?
Meh, you don't fight the police when they've stopped you. You just don't.*Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
You put on your serious-and-concerned face, you say "Yes officer" and little else, and you cooperate.** Then (if appropriate) you fight them like hell in court.
On the street it's your word versus his, and the deck is stacked high against you. In court, you're on a much more even footing.
There's a time and a place for everything.
* Unless you believe your life is in immediate danger, but that's whole other topic, and kinda tricky to deal with correctly.
** With the exception of searches. You never agree to a search of anything. They may do it anyway, but you state clearly, "I do not consent to you searching my person/car/boat/home/whatever." It matters that you say this.
The signatories weren't too fond of kraut tourists, since they mostly came on British package holidays.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
You get the cops you deserve. And the cops you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
America wants to be tough on crime. Naturally, you get tough cops.
Euroweenies wants to be soft on crime. We like to put cushions under their armpits, we want to learn a cold-blooded murderer how to do gardening. Thus, we also get soft cops.
You believe the nature of institutions are separate from the culture they reside in...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
....And how often do you elect a public official who promises to be "tough on crime" vs an official who promises to be "soft on crime"?
You think any country has just one culture?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
The diversity of cultures within a nation does not mean we can't talk about a national culture, which would be the sum of all the cultures contained within that nation. In the case of the US, that means a national culture of "tough on crime". In Euroweeniestan it means a culture of "soft on crime".
Various parts of society is affected to varying degrees by both the national and local culture. Some parts of society is heavily affected by the national culture and little by the local culture, while other parts are affected little by the national culture and a lot by local culture. Law enforcement would be an example of the former, while sports would be an example of the latter. The reason is logical: crime is a national concern more than a local one, while sports is a local concern more than a national one.
Places in the US who would prefer to be soft on crime suffers the same fate as places in Euroweeniestan who would prefer to be tough on crime: overruled by the national culture.
What? How and where? Certainly wasn't my intention to do so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
As a rule, minorities are always overruled by the majority.
Horetore, there is no such thing as a "sum" of cultures. Maybe there's supervenience in the overlap of cultures, but a "national culture" is not a sum or an aggregate result.
Other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horetore
GC, over time an institution will take on the characteristics of the society surrounding it. It's rather telling, if true, that the Eugene PD "imports" recruits from outside the area.
The militarization of American police is a big, complex, ugly topic, and probably deserves its own thread.
Can't the politicians fire the top personnel of the police departments and dictate their policy?
That's what they always do in Hollywood anyway.
Remember I speak commie: "you" refers to "you the nation", not this liberal "you the individual"-nonsense ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelatinous Cube
No, I stand by my way 'round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Law enforcement is a task given authority from above, a national institution. Sports, on the other hand, are built from the ground up, with no real authority above. Law enforcement will be conducted mostly the same way across a nation, while what sports are played in a given location is a lot more varied. The valley I live in is a good example: where I live, at the end of the river, it's exclusively football and bandy. 30 minutes up the river, at Kongsberg, they play hockey and basketball, and the football enthusiasm is so low I feel like I've entered a new country every time I go to work.