XVI -XVII mod

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Quote[/b] ]Couldnt it be possible to add those 3 titles to...say...the Military academy or something?

No additional titles can be added. We'll have to choose one of the existing ones to change if possible.

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Titles

Well, I don't know where do you have that information from, but actually you can use a Military Academy to generate office titles, the same you can do with any other building. What is more, you can make a Military Academy generate 3 titles or even more if you like. I've been playing with titles some time ago, and it was no problem to have a building generate 5 titles. Even such simple structures as a Spearmaker or a Bowyer can provide office titles, you just have to add them to office titles list in campaign.txt file. A thing to remember while making some buildings title generators is, that it'd be better if such building couldn't be upgraded, as after if is upgraded, the title(s) it provides simply disappear. The only problem in having multiple titles was, when I wanted to add more provincial titles for a single province, the game would recognized only the first one.

The Pope

About the Pope in game, I think he shouldn't have the powers he has in regular MTW (to call for a crusade, to excommunicate, to grant money). To prevent such behaviors of Pope, his faction simply has to be given some other behavior model. Well, these are only my ideas, but I don't think the Pope should have any influence on what catholic factions do, especially that there are going to be much fewer of them in this mod compared to MTW. What do you guys think about it?

Regards,
EC

Alot of good information on the Sweish army, in the form of battle-reports, beginning from The battle at Brunkeberg 1471. Some good pictures as well
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/BATTLEINTRO.htm

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Quote[/b] (Eastside Character @ May 15 2004,08:18)]

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Quote[/b] ]Couldnt it be possible to add those 3 titles to...say...the Military academy or something?

No additional titles can be added. We'll have to choose one of the existing ones to change if possible.

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Titles

Well, I don't know where do you have that information from, but actually you can use a Military Academy to generate office titles, the same you can do with any other building. What is more, you can make a Military Academy generate 3 titles or even more if you like. I've been playing with titles some time ago, and it was no problem to have a building generate 5 titles. Even such simple structures as a Spearmaker or a Bowyer can provide office titles, you just have to add them to office titles list in campaign.txt file. A thing to remember while making some buildings title generators is, that it'd be better if such building couldn't be upgraded, as after if is upgraded, the title(s) it provides simply disappear. The only problem in having multiple titles was, when I wanted to add more provincial titles for a single province, the game would recognized only the first one.

The Pope

About the Pope in game, I think he shouldn't have the powers he has in regular MTW (to call for a crusade, to excommunicate, to grant money). To prevent such behaviors of Pope, his faction simply has to be given some other behavior model. Well, these are only my ideas, but I don't think the Pope should have any influence on what catholic factions do, especially that there are going to be much fewer of them in this mod compared to MTW. What do you guys think about it?

Regards,
EC

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Titles: Thats absolutely great So we have much more power of influencing the kingdoms. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...-2thumbsup.gif

The pope: He definitely shouldnt be able to call crusades, but he could grant money from time to time.... Or maybe just remove him, or make him excomm everyone that fights against the faction that controls Rome.

BTW, as I´m quite bored Im working on some sort of signature for Pike and Musket TW. I´ll post it when im finished http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif

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Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ May 14 2004,05:41)]Couldnt you have some sort of faction disadvantage as well? and rise the costs of all other ships....

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The way I see this:
If all the factions get an advantage for producing all those ships you are here talking about - Spain is handicapped, as it has no advantage. Simple solution.

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Quote[/b] ]The pope: He definitely shouldnt be able to call crusades, but he could grant money from time to time.... Or maybe just remove him, or make him excomm everyone that fights against the faction that controls Rome.

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Unfortunately, it is not possible to leave the Pope with only some of his abilities (like granting money) if his behavior model is Pope. So you can either leave him all of his powers, or deprive him of all of them. And why do you think the Pope should grant money? I see no reason for this - human player will do well without it, and the AI cheats with money from time to time anyway.

Regards,
EC

Yeah, can you do that?
I thought a faction could only have a small number of faction advantages, so you couldnt include all of the ships as advantages....

If its doable, then problem solved. Caouldnt you find a sollution for the Fourageer unit I proposed?

I know its kinda cheeky, but you already sloved 2 difficulties, so you might be able to solve the 3rd one aswell....

And about he Pope you are right, just give Rome to Spain from high onwards and problem solved.
The Pope might exist in the Early period as Pope.

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PS: BTW, guys do you like the sig?

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Quote[/b] (Eastside Character @ May 15 2004,18:15)]The way I see this:
If all the factions get an advantage for producing all those ships you are here talking about - Spain is handicapped, as it has no advantage. Simple solution.

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Well, I was to quick to say so... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...c-confused.gif
I've tested multiple faction advantages for a unit, and it won't work. Only one faction can be given an advantage for a single unit type. Sorry for false information before.

So the solution to that Spanish fleet problem would be to give the Spanish their own, exclusive types of ships which would be appropriatelly more expensive compared to their regular counterparts. And about this solution, I'm 100% sure it is doable.

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Quote[/b] ]Caouldnt you find a sollution for the Fourageer unit I proposed?

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The ability of Fourageers to fight with the weapons of the unit they defeat, and also with changed stats, is impossible to be implemented. However, there can be other way to reflect that specific feature of Fourageers: very low building requirements (as they often use weapons of their beaten enemies), or ability to gain valor faster than other units (which would increase their stats in battle).

Regards,
EC


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Quote[/b] ]PS: BTW, guys do you like the sig?

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Yes, it's nice.

About the Dutch units:
The Dutch mostly used muskets. About 2 thirds and one third pikemen. Most other country had 2 thirds pikeman and one third musket. And of course some cavalary. These should be armed with pistols and a sword. Also the Dutch relied alot on forreign mercenarys. In the 80 years war mostly English Scottish and German. Later more from Geman and Swedes. Dutch units were much smaller than Spanish and others(who had more than a thousand man in one unit), making them more manouverable.

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Quote[/b] ]The ability of Fourageers to fight with the weapons of the unit they defeat, and also with changed stats, is impossible to be implemented. However, there can be other way to reflect that specific feature of Fourageers: very low building requirements (as they often use weapons of their beaten enemies), or ability to gain valor faster than other units (which would increase their stats in battle).

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Ok, so the Fourageers would have the stats specified before, but the requirement for fourageers is any building producing military units (fort?). Also, as they are quite fragile, they should get valor twice as fast as a normal soldier. In the other hand, valor upgrades wouldnt affect them, they always have to start with low morale an dlow valor.( they were just teenagers that signed for the army as soldiers´ servants, but in case of necessity fought as everyone else.Usually they would sign up as proffesional soldiers when they had the necessary 17 years.)

Most of the Dutch army was composed by German and English mercs,as well as few national troops.

Good news

I made Husaria, that actually looks like Husaria http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
(well, maybe not for Ostrogski http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif )

Check it

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Regards,
EC

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Quote[/b] (ThijsP @ May 16 2004,11:20)]About the Dutch units:
The Dutch mostly used muskets. About 2 thirds and one third pikemen. Most other country had 2 thirds pikeman and one third musket. And of course some cavalary. These should be armed with pistols and a sword. Also the Dutch relied alot on forreign mercenarys. In the 80 years war mostly English Scottish and German. Later more from Geman and Swedes. Dutch units were much smaller than Spanish and others(who had more than a thousand man in one unit), making them more manouverable.

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And it was the swedes (or Gustav II Adolf) who developed the Dutch model into the most effecvtive army of the time of the 30 year war. So the swedes also used smaller units, and they had a longer and thinner battle formation than the imperial armies.

EDIT: EC, that is beautiful Great work http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/cheers.gif

@ EC: *stands in awe* http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Beautiful work

only small thing, i think the wings should be brighter, so the unit could be immediately recognized.

@ wilpuri:

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Quote[/b] ]And it was the swedes (or Gustav II Adolf) who developed the Dutch model into the most effecvtive army of the time of the 30 year war. So the swedes also used smaller units, and they had a longer and thinner battle formation than the imperial armies.

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The only reason why the Dutch drove the spanish off Netherlands was because the commercial routes from America were obstructed by english pirates, coz the Spanish fleet was in crisis, so the king was short of money and of men.

About effectiveness, the spanish army lost its status as the best army in europe in the battle of Rocroi, when the spaniards let the enemy annihilate themselves with artillery. There is a quote from the memories of Iñigo Balboa , officer of the royal guard in Rocroi:

...When, finally the artillery broke the remainder of our company and the french cavalry surrounded our square, still fearing the pikes that were so deadly in the hands of those men i was proud of, the officer asked us politely to surrender.[...] Later, he asked me how many men were in the square originally.

I looked at the bodies lying dead in formation, loyal to their reputation and discipline. Then my gaze focused again at the face of the french.

- You are free to count the bodies, monsieur. - I answered.

Sorry about the possible inaccuracies.The traduction is google-quality which I tried to make up as I could.

Apart from that just say that despite the quality of the dutch army, the spanish fought them for 30 years, which is a long time. From the Archivo Nacional de la Biblioteca nacinal (Spanish national historical database). In the XVI-XVII ceturies there have NEVER been more than 18000 spanish soldiers at once in the Netherlands.And NEVER more than 7000 of them in the same place/battle.


Anyway, I dont want to raise nationalistic issues. I think the Dutch should have really good generals in Late, and possibly also in High, to reflect the fact that they really did have good gens, and also that they armies were quite resistent and steady.

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Quote[/b] (Eastside Character @ May 16 2004,13:24)]Good news

I made Husaria, that actually looks like Husaria http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
(well, maybe not for Ostrogski http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif )

Check it

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Regards,
EC

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EC these look awesome You have done much better than CA

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Beautiful indeed.

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Quote[/b] (Eastside Character @ May 15 2004,08:18)]

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Quote[/b] ]Couldnt it be possible to add those 3 titles to...say...the Military academy or something?

No additional titles can be added. We'll have to choose one of the existing ones to change if possible.

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Titles

Well, I don't know where do you have that information from, but actually you can use a Military Academy to generate office titles, the same you can do with any other building. What is more, you can make a Military Academy generate 3 titles or even more if you like. I've been playing with titles some time ago, and it was no problem to have a building generate 5 titles. Even such simple structures as a Spearmaker or a Bowyer can provide office titles, you just have to add them to office titles list in campaign.txt file. A thing to remember while making some buildings title generators is, that it'd be better if such building couldn't be upgraded, as after if is upgraded, the title(s) it provides simply disappear. The only problem in having multiple titles was, when I wanted to add more provincial titles for a single province, the game would recognized only the first one.

The Pope

About the Pope in game, I think he shouldn't have the powers he has in regular MTW (to call for a crusade, to excommunicate, to grant money). To prevent such behaviors of Pope, his faction simply has to be given some other behavior model. Well, these are only my ideas, but I don't think the Pope should have any influence on what catholic factions do, especially that there are going to be much fewer of them in this mod compared to MTW. What do you guys think about it?

Regards,
EC

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I was not aware of that - so thanks EC. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/gc-oops.gif

Hetman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...-2thumbsup.gif

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Quote[/b] (Eastside Character @ May 16 2004,13:24)]Good news

I made Husaria, that actually looks like Husaria http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
(well, maybe not for Ostrogski http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif )

Check it

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Regards,
EC

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Very good indeed

Please send me the Textures and txt files You've made.

e-mail - Cegorach@wp.pl

Regards Cegorach http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif

SwordsMaster

Cavalry was polish spearhead, well trained, heavily armoured, etc..

most of them were not heavily armoured - only Husaria was quite heavy.

Cavalry was a shock troop, not well suited for defence.

Of course they were not supposed to defend castles, forts or something.
Polish army preffered agressive defence i.e. tried to intercept enemy attacks, invasions, raids...

They couldnt fight effectively a musket-heavy army, specially if not in open field.

Yes they were not used to attack enemy fortified positions, infantry in woods or something like that, but it is very hard to win a war without any battles in open field.

The Hussars were only used for defence against those foes.

Defence was preffered, mainly because it were Tartats who were raiding Poland searching for loot, not opposite i.e. Poles were not very keen on raiding poor Tatar settlements.
Still. Quite many times Husaria was used to attack Tartars e.g. in 1672
( probably) when hetman Sobieski led about 2000-3000 Soldiers ( Husaria, polish dragoons, pancerni ) against 20000 Tatars and crushed them in several battles - almost always attacking. The cavalry was capable of attacking the Tatars, but remember that Poles were stopping enemy raids NOT trying to loot Tatar settlements, although it happened several times.

Second remember that the name 'Cossacks' was used to describe one of types of Polish light cavalry ( future Pancerni).

Eastside Character

Then I'll be making those info pictures.

I'll send You the first list of units in the mod as soon as it's finished.

Regards Cegorach/Hetman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/cheers.gif

I need more info about the following units:

French Gendarmes
French Chevaux
STRADIOTS
DEMI-LANCERS- English units
LIGHT STAVES
CALIVERS
ELMETI - Italian units
CONDOTTIERI
GENET D'ARMS - Spanish units
HERGULETIERS
CABALLOS LEIGEROS

What do I need ?
Answer. As much as possible. Please post them - easier to correct mistakes.


UNIT SIZE -

Cavalry - 20 ( smallest units, especially unique, 'special' units) to
80 ( 'horde' units i.e. irregulars mostly), average is 40 (50 for certain factions)

Infantry - 20 ( very unique i.e. Encamisado) to 120 ( 'hordes'), average - 80/60 men.

CAVALRY SPEED

It's important to understand that while western Europe played with pikes and muskets 'forgetting' that cavalry can move faster, in the rest of the world horsmen still provided very important factor in successful armies.

The difference can be recreated using movement stats.

SO. This is the result:

Western cavalry

'early' most common speed - slow moving ( but heavier armoured), normal speed and fast cavalry units uncommon.
'high' common speed - slow moving, but some armies ( e.g. Sweden) get ability to improve their armies by military reform ( Military Academy, but not only) - so first 'normal' speed and fast units appear ( e.g. Swedish Cuirassiers).
'late' after military reforms - slow moving cavalry uncommon.

Eastern cavalry
- only the countries can build 'master horse breeder' structures.

1. Tatars

'very fast' in all periods.

2. Poland, Hungary - frontier countries

'early' - slow moving very uncommon, almost none.
'high' and 'late' - no slow moving cavalry, some 'very fast' units, although unique only.

3. Ottoman

Fast and very fast cavalry in all periods.

PORTRAITS

Because it is possible to add portraits for generals/admirals/kings/agent units and so on, the mod requires more sources of this kind.

So if You know appriopriate links post it here

CRIMEAN TATARS FACTION

1. Units - not much info necessary, because I posted most of these earlier.

Nogay Tatars ( 80 men),
Tatar Horsemen ( 80 men) the 'core' of the army,
Tatar Scouts ( 20 men),
Crimean Cavalry ( 50 men) - bodyguard unit and the heaviest cavalry available.

+ Cossack units ( not all),
+ Lipkowie cavalry ( Lithuanian Tatars) from Poland,
+ regional units from the area ( e.g. Moldavian Cavalry),
+ mercenaries ( not many),

Additional possible, depends from Cebei and Mouzafphaerre research.

2. Homeland

Crimea, Moldavia, Khazar, Ryazan, Kiev + other ( certain units only).

3. Techtree

Not very complicated ( because of the units), artillery by 'buildable mercenaries' option only. Most of infantry from Cossack units, peasants
and slaves.

Very primitive faction and very hard to play and win.

Please use the proposal above as the template for Your posts.


Regards Cegorach/Hetman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

You have been waiting for it, and here comes your reward http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/tongue.gif

The Fourageers dont have any sort of uniform, just random dirty clothes, they should appear in the battlefield as the kerns, not in a tight formation.

by 1530 the cavalry was just divided int heavy and light cav. The heavies were Men at arms and the light cavs were Jinetes

Spanish cavalry: after 1600 all of them used pistols instead of the lance.

mostly 4 types of cavalry from 1548-1704.

-Men at arms (Hombres de armas): Heavy cavalry, armed with a lance, a sword and 2 pistols, heavily armoured, but not as heavy as the french gendarmes.

-Jinetes: a lance, a pistol and a sword.Lightly armoured and faster than most of the european cavs.

-Harquebusiers: harquebus and a sword.

-Herreruelo: Cuirasseur unit.

-Archer: Lighter version of the Men at arms. faster, but still heavily armoured.


Royal guards:(cavalry)

-Men at arms: size 37. The best of the best.The best cavalry in spain.

-Archers of Burgundy: Lighter but faster version of the previous ones. Slightly bigger unit size.


Stats: Men at arms(royal guard):
size: 23
elite
disciplined
irresistible charge (8)
attack (6)
defence 5
armour 6
very high morale (7)
slow


extremely expensive and time consuming to train.(all the kings should start with a unit of those, or one of the other guards)

Archeros (royal guard)

size: 30
elite
disciplined
incredible morale
very strong charge 6
attack 6
defence 3
armour 3
fast

more affordable, but still as long training as the Men at arms.

Herreruelo:

size 40
disciplined
charge without orders
good morale
very strong charge 6
attack 5
defence 4
armour 5
normal speed

normal spanish heavy cavalry.Balance it as you see fit, they should be the average european heavy cav.

Harquebusier:

size 40
normal status
good morale
strong charge 4-5
attack 4
defence 3
armour 4
fast

those are the skirmishers some sort of dragon unit.

The real dragons were created in 1633, and are moslly equal to the german ones. (unit size 50)

After 1659 subtract 2 from the armour of all cavs except cuirasseurs. And the Harquebusiers became carabiniers. (attack 5, armour 2, defence 4)

there are some pics of Spanis kings usable for portraits here:

this page

If you cant get there, i'll send them to you. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif

Eastside Character

The ability of Fourageers to fight with the weapons of the unit they defeat, and also with changed stats, is impossible to be implemented. However, there can be other way to reflect that specific feature of Fourageers: very low building requirements (as they often use weapons of their beaten enemies), or ability to gain valor faster than other units (which would increase their stats in battle).

I thought about extending the recruitment base i.e. beyond the Spanish homeland

BTW I finally figured out how to make Husaria more realistic.
One of the most important factors is to make them PERFECTLY_FORMED and change the unit's width - so they really can perform knee-to-knee charges.
The second step is highering the morale by +2 ( their 'normal' formation is loose actually and it is done to compensate for this.
I changed the unit size to 50 and I'm planning to weaken pikemen units
against cavalry, because most of horsemen units will not be powerful enough to break them anyway, and the Husaria should be able to do this.

ThijsP

making them more manouverable.

It is possible to make them slightly faster than the others.

SwordsMaster

In the other hand, valor upgrades wouldnt affect them, they always have to start with low morale an dlow

Yes, if require only fort to be recruited no valour modifiers will affect them. Good solution.


GENERALS AND TITLES

IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS FOR HISTORICAL GENERALS stats AND TITLES PLEASE POST THEM HERE
THANKS TO EC IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADD MUCH MORE- OF COURSE ONLY SOME I.E. THE BEST IDEAS ARE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED.

BODYGUARDS

Do You want to add special unit/units for all/some factions for commanders only - i.e. something like General in the NTW, OR different units for different factions in different periods.
Remember that everytime a heir becomes adult he appears with his 'bodyguard' unit, SO CHOOSE WISELY.

Regards Hetman/Cegorach http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/cheers.gif

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Quote[/b] (wilpuri @ May 15 2004,08:33)]Alot of good information on the Sweish army, in the form of battle-reports, beginning from The battle at Brunkeberg 1471. Some good pictures as well
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-42039/BATTLEINTRO.htm

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wilpuri

Good info, especially about 30-year war.

When it comes to Swedish-Polish wars the link I've posted is much better, many battles are 'forgotten' in the Swedish webside ( 7 or 8 - 5 Polish victories - 3 in 1600 - 1604 period) and some ideas are quite funny indeed.

This is very good source nonetheless

Regards Cegorach/Hetman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ons/cheers.gif

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Quote[/b] ] thought about extending the recruitment base i.e. beyond the Spanish homeland

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Of course, they should be avail for everyone in west europe.

Titles: Capitan general: attached to some High building

+1 dread
+3 command

Spanish Command title.

Almirante del mar Oceano: (naval commander, attached to almir building) +2 loyal, +1 command.

Orden de Santiago:
piety +2
loyalty +1

Orden de Calatrava: extremely rare
loyalty +3
command +2
acumen +1

BODYGUARDS:

All spanish general units should start with 8 Archer bodyguards.

We definitely should have a general unit.

For spain the unit should be called Maestre de Campo.

GENERALS:

Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba Gran Capitan: (1453-1515)

Loyalty: 6
Dread: 5
Piety: 3
Acumen: 3
Command: 7

Skilled attacker/assaulter.
Loyal.


Ambrosio Spinola y Grimaldi:( 157- 164-)
loyalty: 8
dread: 2
piety: 2
acumen: 5
command: 4

skilled defender.
something +10 happiness.


Fernando Alvarez de Toledo (Gran Duque de Alba) (1507-1582)
loyalty 6
dread: 7
piety 4
acumen 3
command 6

-20 happiness.
loyal
master attacker
killer instinct


Juan de Austria: 1545-1578
loyalty 8
dread 0
piety 5
acumen 3
command 7

+10 happiness


Alejandro Farnesio (Duque de Parma): 1545-1592

loyalty: 5
dread 2
piety 1
acumen 6 (finished university)
command 5

+10 income from farming

Luis de Requesans:
loyalty 5
dread 2
piety 6
acumen 3
command 3

truly pious
trader.

I'll make another list for XVII cent and Kings.

BTW, in the link i posted before, click on Protagonistas on the left side and you will see the protraits.

PS: It is not only that pikes shouldnt be broken by cavs, they were specifically designed to fight them, so the ratio of kills should be REALLY favoravle to pikes. I mean, dont make them too weak just to make Hussars more impressive.

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Quote[/b] (Hetman @ May 17 2004,05:17)]BTW I finally figured out how to make Husaria more realistic.
One of the most important factors is to make them PERFECTLY_FORMED and change the unit's width - so they really can perform knee-to-knee charges.
The second step is highering the morale by +2 ( their 'normal' formation is loose actually and it is done to compensate for this.
I changed the unit size to 50 and I'm planning to weaken pikemen units
against cavalry, because most of horsemen units will not be powerful enough to break them anyway, and the Husaria should be able to do this.

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The unit I made while testing those Husaria graphics, was indeed perfectly formed, also it was:

-- disciplined (Husaria did not always brake the enemy formation after the first charge, on numerous occasions they had to charge again and again - so they had to be really disciplined to engage and disengage the enemy a couple of times in a single battle);

-- 2 rows, due to the fact they are perfectly formed, they don't take to much space, and the width spacing I made 90 (though I think it could be even 80 or 75);

-- slower charge speed (16) than run speed (20), I applied that because from what I've read about Husaria's tactics, they didn't actually charge in gallop as it would easily brake their formation (and it was their formation that added to their effectiveness), and so they used to charge at slower pace (in polish it's cwal, I have no idea how to say it in English), the result of charge speed being slower than run speed looks pretty good in battle, as they slow down a bit at the last lets say 40 meters before the enemy formation, and they keep their own knee-to-knee formation at the same time, this slow down is 100% historically correct so why not to apply it here.

And thank you all for your kind words, guys.

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Quote[/b] ]Please send me the Textures and txt files You've made.

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I'm not really sure if I should send them now - they're not actually ready yet. I only made them look good, but they cant fight yet. What I mean is that I made only the images for a cavalryman sitting still (which I used for all unit's actions: run, stand, walk, charge, fight, die), and though IMHO they can use the same action for walk, charge, run, and stand, I believe I have to make them an appropriate animation for fight action. About die action, I'm not really sure If I want to do it, and for the time being I'll leave it the same as stand action. I don't use 3D modeling programs, it's all drawing by hand, so it requires some time (about 1 hour for a single picture, 1 movement animation is 12 pictures - so at least 12 hours of work). I plan to make a fight animation for palasz weapon, as I consider animations for koncerz too complicated for myself. Hopefully I'll make that animation this week, but I can't really say.
I made a sketch of 1580 campaign.txt, and oh boy, it's fun to fight with that Husaria against Turkish armies http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Oh, and in case you (meaning anyone) want to provide me with any pictures/files etc. send them here:
eastsidecharacter@hotmail.com

Regards,
EC

Edit: Given that I'll have enough time, I see no problem in making also graphics for other units that are going to appear in this mod. The only only is that I want to focus on cavalry units only, as they require considerably less work than infantry. And one more word about unit animations; if we decide that each unit (cavalry I mean) can do well with just two animations (fight and sit still), then it is possible to have really many units - one unit.BIF graphic could contain animations of 2-3 completely different units).

Hi, Hetman.
About that problem of Czechoslovakia, wasn't problem with borders by Versailles agreement? Czechoslovakia had to force Hungarian forces to leave Czechoslovakian border, too. And polish regime (minister Beck..) was close to German (or it seemed so). But let this problem be as it is. We won't change what happened and when Poland-Czech relationship isn't as it could be, I don't wont to make enemy from you. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif
Could you be so kind and explain, what is this mod about? I'm lazy to read all text written here.
About Bohemians, are they in game?
I don't have lot of informations about them, sorry, may be later.

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Quote[/b] (SpetzNatz @ May 17 2004,06:49)]Hi, Hetman.
About that problem of Czechoslovakia, wasn't problem with borders by Versailles agreement? Czechoslovakia had to force Hungarian forces to leave Czechoslovakian border, too. And polish regime (minister Beck..) was close to German (or it seemed so). But let this problem be as it is. We won't change what happened and when Poland-Czech relationship isn't as it could be, I don't wont to make enemy from you. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif
Could you be so kind and explain, what is this mod about? I'm lazy to read all text written here.
About Bohemians, are they in game?
I don't have lot of informations about them, sorry, may be later.

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Though I'm not Hetman, but I'm Polish as well, and I have to say that no Versailles agreement or any other fact from the 20th century history has to do with this mod.

It's XVI - XVII century mod, so a couple of years before the events you brought up in your post. And as far as I know, there was no independent (or even semi-independent) Bohemia, or Czechy at that time. Whether there should be any Bohemian units in the mod, I don't know, you can tell us yourself SpetzNatz, as you should know that better I think.

Regards,
EC

Thats problem Eastside Character.
Because I'm answering to Hetman, so you can't know what we were talking about.
About that Bohemian unit. I don't know any, because Bohemians neither joined Austro-Hungarian Empire gladly, nor created any special national units.
From date, this mod takes part in, from fact that you are Polish (you and Hetman are main creators of this mod, aren't you?) and texts written here I've somehow got in mind, that Polish Winged Legend will be in game. Is it true?

@ spetz. m8, if you dont want to read ALL the posts you could read the first page at least http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif

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Quote[/b] (SpetzNatz @ May 17 2004,07:26)]1.Thats problem Eastside Character.
Because I'm answering to Hetman, so you can't know what we were talking about.

2.Polish (you and Hetman are main creators of this mod, aren't you?)

3.and texts written here I've somehow got in mind, that Polish Winged Legend will be in game. Is it true?

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1. Sorry for interupting then.

2. I don't actually think so, the fact that I'm Polish as well as Hetman doesn't make me a main creator of this mod, as it's a collective work and everyone who posts in this thread tries to help in its creation. I'm simply one of those people.

3. Yes, I've even made some first graphics of Husaria. you can see them here.

Regards,
EC

Side note: Im continuosly using archer to refer to some spanish units.

They are not archers in the sense that they use bows.
They are archers because they used a type of axe called archa in the early period. They were NOT missile units, but melee.


Hope this makes it clearer.


BTW, Hetman, I might find something useful about the Caballos Leigeros. (Its a Portuguese unit isnt it?)

I'll let you know.

http://home.student.uu.se/o/orma1967/Kungar/index.htm
-Portraits of Swedish kings

http://members.tripod.com/minata/sv_kungar.html#aaa
-A LOT of portraits of swedish royalty, including females, for princesses. All in black and white, though.

Dutch generals should have a bodygourd of pikeman with roundschieldLike here

here are some portraits of dutch kings.Scroll down to Stadthouders van oranje nassau The title should be prince. Titles of provinces should be Stadthouder.

Office titles :

Raadspensionaris
+3 Acumen
+2 Loyalty

Advocaat van Holland
+x Acumen
+x Loyalty

Admiraal Generaal
+x Command
+x Loyalty