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I agree with that this shield is wrong. Only Thracian Peltasts should use it. Not Heavy Infantry. Heavy Infantry should use the one in the book pic. The mask looks good except for the darker chin area. Maybe light it up a bit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Catiline
BTW, do you want to be in the unit implementation group? I'll add you to the workgroup. :yes:
It looks very good. Very good indeed. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by reconspy
My only quirck is the shield. It looks assimmetrycal (the top in opposition to the bottom) or is it just me? :confused:
BTW, I've subdivided people in the Unit Implementation and Faction Descriptions groups to stop the dispersion of tasks in that we're incurring at the moment. The groups members must contact each other and exchange ideas about the necessary tasks to fulfill. The spokesperson for each group then reports to me. I do not want to sound tyranical but we need a bit more of organization here. Today I will release the resumed list of Briton an Gallic units to be edited and increased with new units. PM me in case of ANY doubt.
Think I'll make that beard imitation on helmet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri
As for shield, I'm not sure I'll be able to change its shape. It means to change 3d model in 3d max, right? I'm not advanced in 3d graphics. I'll try but if I fail I just send my texture to anyone who can continue this work. OK?
Aymar, you may include me in that group. I'll do my best... But, as I said, I'm not advanced 3d graphics. Just trying to.
@reconspy: Good looking bottom of cloak! ~:thumb:
Update on the work list:
-campaign map/province/city changes:
khelvan
Oleander Ardens
Dead Moroz
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-faction name changes/new faction implementation:
Silver Rusher
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-unit changes/new unit implementation/3d and 2d graphics:
I've taken the liberty of subdividing the team in faction groups, according to your interests.
Please PM me if you don't agree with your assignement.
Gauls and Britons:
Vercingetorix
PSYCHO V
reconspy
Germanics:
Stefan the Berserker
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Iberians:
Aymar de Bois Mauri
Dacians and Thracians:
TigerVX
Dead Moroz
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Scythians/Sarmatians/Parthians:
Dead Moroz
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Other factions (PM me to coordinate):
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-battle system changes:
Steppe Merc
Aymar de Bois Mauri
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-naval battle changes:
khelvan
Colovion
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-economic/population model changes:
khelvan
Oleander Ardens
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-Coordination of the EB Historical thread:
Teutonic Knight
Aymar de Bois Mauri
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-Faction and unit Descriptions:
Gauls and Britons:
PSYCHO V
Ranika
Germanics:
Stefan the Berserker
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Iberians:
Aymar de Bois Mauri
Aetolian League (former Greek Cities):
chemchok
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Dacians and Thracians:
Stormy
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Scythians/Sarmatians/Parthians:
Steppe Merc
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Other factions (PM me to coordinate):
Stormy
chemchok
Ranika
Steppe Merc
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-Gameplay testing and debugging:
Colovion
Ranika
Steppe Merc
Monk
Stormy
chemchok
PSYCHO V
Hagbard la Suede
Salazar
Mr. Juice
Dead Moroz
Post me if you have any doubts about specific assignements within the same work related area
Updated 01:10 - 10/21/04
Not just you. I see it too. It looks bad. But I think ancient people (especially barbarians) did not suppose shields to be standards of symmetry. And their shields most likely looked something like these on pic. So I think it's ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aymar de Bois Mauri
Recon, you've out done yourself mate! Great job! ...now if I could only get those guys to work. What do I need to put where again?Quote:
Originally Posted by reconspy
AFAIK, the shield and weapons aren't part of the unit, but the unit texture includes a texture for a particular kind of shield. One has to edit the texture as well as changing the shield in the .txt file, but I might be wrong. I hadn't the time to check that yet. I haven't even been able to try Vircingetorix's tools... :bigcry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
Of course. The work can be reassigned or completed by someone else. The best part of this group is that each can contribute with whatever he does best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
Keep practicing your skinning. Many units will just need that and no 3d modelling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dead Moroz
By popular request, here is the EB v0.1 changelog. Please feel free to correct any historical innacuracies, but remember that we are currently limited in that we cannot add new factions.
I did not record all the minor tweaks I made at the beginning, such as adding a new unit here and there, and tweaking the AI a bit.
-Increased ground unit defensive skill across the board
-Reduced ground unit rates through terrain modifier across the board
-Decreased base farm levels across the board
-Increased attack factor for naval units and decreased defensive skill
-Changed Carthago Nova from Iberia to Carthaginians, changed Cirta from Numidia to Carthaginians, gave Lepcis Magna to Carthaginians
-Added ships to Carthaginian navy, added dinari to Carthaginian warchest, and tweaked Carthage AI
-Changed Samarobriva from Britons to rebels
-Changed Phraaspa to Armenian, changed Kotais to rebels
-Changed Campus Sakae from Parthia to rebels
-Changed Campus Alanni from Scythia to rebels
-Changed Campus Getae from Thrace to rebels
-Changed Bylazora from Macedon to Thrace
-Renamed Spain Iberia
-Renamed Egypt Ptolemaic Empire
-Renamed Greek Cities Aetolian League
-Changed Apollonia from rebels to Aetolian League
-Changed Syracuse from Aetolian League to rebel
-Changed Messana from Scipii to rebel
-Changed Ariminum from Julii to Senate
-Changed Croton from Brutii to Senate
-Changed Libya from Numidia to Ptolemaic Empire
-Changed Cyrenaica from rebels to Ptolemaic Empire
-made all factions except for slave and Senate playable
-Gave slave faction more denari
-Gave senate faction more denari
-Reduced roman navies to one bireme each
The campaign map may still need a few more tweaks to look historical at the beginning, so help there would be appreciated. Especially in the department of making sure the Latin names for each city are used, and the cities are all accurate (for instance, I don't believe Corduba even existed in 270 BC).
chemchok pointed out that it would probably be useful for us to standardize on one difficulty setting or we might get skewed results. I both agree and disagree. I base most of my testing on hard/hard, but it may be useful for us to do it on normal/normal, since the AI gets no bonuses there. Especially for watching battles play out, normal/normal would be best, to not get a skewed view of unit stats.
-khel
Wow Wow Wow ! ~D fantastic units guys and great work.
Alert : Agrippa from TWCenter is also making some fantastic new Roman Models I think. Should we draft him in ??? ~:cheers:
He is found here
For those who are working on Thracians & Dacians here is a link of Thracian & Dacian Figures. Peltast , Archers , Warband, Generals and more.
http://www.hat.com/Curr2/bx8069da.jpg
Dacians set #1
Dacians set #2
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Thracians
http://www.hat.com/Curr/bx8046.jpg
Thracian set
I know people have asked me not to post no more Iberians because they have it all down but this link below can provide a little bit more detail. ( huge coloured figures )
Iberians Huge Coloured Figures by HAT
You can post as long as is doesn't clog the thread with pictures. Preferably only links.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormy
Agreed. Links only for now on.
Steppe Merc, I can't reply to your PM until you clear out your inbox and sent messages, you are at the message limit.
Everyone keep an eye on your stored messages, they can build up quickly and 8 is a very small number :)
Edit: I think I know what is going on with the download - I believe that only one person can be connected to my yahoo briefcase at a time, at least that is what it looks like. Since there were only 8 or so of you downloading the file I didn't expect this to be a problem, unless someone was spreading the link around (please don't, let me do that).
@Aymar de Bois Mauri:
Yes, I hadn't noticed the shield error myself, I'll fix that.
Also, I would like to be included in the Gauls and Briton section.
Also waiting for new assignment (don't want to clash with others working on the same unit).
@Dead Moroz:
Tell me which model unit you used as a base for your skinning and I will add the correct shield for you so you can texture that?
@PSYCHO V:
The CAS goes in the models_unit directory and the DDS goes in the "texture" subdirectory, then just create a new unit entry in the export_descr_unit and descr_model_battle files.
Great. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by reconspy
OK, but somebody will have to help Stefan and the others when we're dealing with other factions.Quote:
Originally Posted by reconspy
Have you read the PM I send? The guys within the same sub-group, will decide the course to take, regarding units. One of them, within each sub-group, will be the group's spokesperson to talk to me. Being in the Gaul and Briton group, will mean that you have to coordinate your work with Vercingetorix and PSYCHO V.Quote:
Originally Posted by reconspy
I have to apologise to the guys I have nagged earlier about posting historical info in this particular thread. This is because I've been unable to make the several unit guides without any graphical depiction. Therefore, I am going to clog the thread with a lot of Historical pics, but I promisse they are only the essentials to depict correctly what is needed. This info is a concentrated gathering of all that is posted in the EB Colosseum thread. Each post will concern a perticular faction.
I've been wondering, how are we going to add oppidia? Is it just going to be stone walls added to the barbarian factions? I'm not certain who all should have them, but I know Celts, clearly, had them, and I'm fairly sure the Germans and Dacians had them, but not 100% on that.
Anyway, is it possible to model a new wall? Oppidia are lower lying than other stone walls. If not, is it at least possible, currently, to reskin the wall? Adding the wooden struts and braces would be nice.
This is the post that will serve as guide for the unit graphical modding process for Gauls. This information is a condensation of the several posts, made at the EB Collosseum thread and at others, by several contributors. Not all of the info is definitive.
Graphical information for unit modding purposes - Gauls
Altered Units
All Gallic units must have the characterist paterns, not the incorrect flashy CA stripes…
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
Barbarian Peasants ------------------------> Gallic Peasants
Warband -------------------------------------> Gallic Warband
Dressed with a long sleeve shirt
Gallic oval shield with a boss and celtic designs
Torque
Moustache, no beard
Spear
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
Swordsmen ------------------------------------> Gallic Swordsmen
Gallic Helm
Dressed with a long sleeve shirt
Gallic oval shield with a boss and celtic designs
Torque
Moustache, no beard
Celtic longsword
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
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Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Chosen Swordsmen ---------------------------------> Gallic Noble Swordsmen???
Gallic Boar Helm
Mail-clad (shoulder straps) with a long sleeve shirt underneath
Round shield with a boss and a band of black and white cheque pattern with two dots in each side.
Torque
Remove leg strappings
Moustache, no beard
Celtic longsword
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
Naked Fanatics --------------------------------------> Gaesatae
Gallic helm
Gallic oval shield with a boss and celtic designs or long hexagonal shield???
Torcs + armlets + bracelets + anklets
Moustache, no beard
Barefooted
Javelins + Celtic longsword
Short, spiked with lime or long hair???
From an excerpt somewhere in the ORG, I've read:Quote:
Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
"Cisalpine Gauls wore their short hair spiked with lime - Transalpine Gauls wore their hair long"
If the Gaesatae were from Cisalpine Gaul, was CA right in depicting them as it is? And the shield? Was CA right there too?
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Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
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Originally Posted by Blind King of Bohemia
Druid -----------------------------------------------------> Gone
Skirmisher Warband ----------------------------------> Gallic Skirmishers
Dressed with a long sleeve shirt
Small round shield with a boss
Torque
Moustache, no beard
Forester Warband -----------------------------------> Gallic Archer Warband???
Moustache, no beard
Torque
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
Barbarian Cavalry -------------------------------------> Gallic Cavalry
Gallic helm???
Dressed with a long sleeve shirt
Round shield with a boss and celtic designs
Torque
Moustache, no beard
Javelin + Celtic longsword???
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Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
Barbarian Noble Cavalry ----------------------------> Gallic Noble Cavalry???
Gallic Raven Helm
Mail-clad (shoulder straps) with a long sleeve shirt underneath
Round shield with a boss and celtic designs
Torque
Moustache, no beard
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
Wardogs ---------------------------------------------> The same
Early Gaul Warlord ---------------------------------> The same
Similar to Gallic Noble Cavalry
Gaul Warlord----------------------------------------> The same
Similar to Gallic Noble Cavalry
Barbarian Cavalry Merc --------------------------> The same???
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
New Units
LIGHT INFANTRY
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
MEDIUM INFANTRY
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
HEAVY INFANTRY
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
CAVALRY
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
MERCENARIES
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Originally Posted by PSYCHO V
We must solve the conflicting characteristics, as well as deciding what are the units that will be added to the game. Not all of them can be. We could bother not to modify the standard units and just replace them with the specific ones mentioned by PSYCHO V. But we need pictures of those units and that decision needs to be discussed.
Let me now what you think.
The Gaesatae shield should actually be somewhat rectangular, with slightly curved out sides, but the top and bottom should be straight edged. Some did use hexagonal shields, but those were mostly trading or copying Germanic styles. The Gaesatae's shields, usually, tended to be oval-like, or rectangular with round edges. We could keep the original shield, as it'd not be truly anachronistic, but rather, unlikely, that a whole unit would have them, but it would simplify things. Most Gaesatae did not spike their hair, to my knowledge, but I'm sure many did, so that'd work either way too.
If we can change the mesh of the 3d units and there is an editor laying around in the game (there really is one), I think it will be possible. At least if the walls are CAS files.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
So, it will come down to personal preference? Then it might serves us not to change the unit much...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
Right, it just comes down to if you want the hexagonal shield, which, while unlikely, isn't truly ahistorical, and there were enough of them that the spiked out hair wouldn't be an impossibility. It'd come down probably just to reskinning them, if we went really simple with it, and the unit looks decent enough, in that case, shape wise, just a matter of maybe adding some designs to their shield? Could add a helmet, though, too, if it were remodelled slightly, a lot of Gaesatae did 'cannabilize' helmets from enemies, so it wasn't uncommon for them to have helmets either.
Another slight note for skinning purposes, some did paint themselves, though a lot actually just used mud, and use that as camoflauge sometimes, though that occured rarely. For paint, it was more a smattering of unorganized smears in whatever dyes were available, to make them look somewhat surreal, cause even in the ancient world, art noveau was so ugly it was terrifying.
@Vercingetorix and PSYCHO V:
What are you guys working on at the moment? I don't want to duplicate anything. BTW PSYCHO V, your private messages box is full, I can't reply.
Edit: I also updated the zip file with all 4 cas files (high, medium, low, lowest). However, as we can't edit the sprites, the unit looks slightly more red when zoomed out to the max.
I've also made the shield more vertically symmetrical as suggested by Dead Moroz and Aymar.
http://members.optushome.com.au/reco...erni_arjos.zip
Who will be creating the new units, stat wise?
I vote for at the very LEAST changing their shields for a different flavour. I dont' want to overload the skinners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
Hello all, I've listened in on this project for a while now and I love the direction it's going in. I was wondering if could help out doing some skinning (maybe modelling) for it. I'm kind of new to the mod scene, but I think that's where I'd fit in best. I've already started on some Dacian units so if I could work in that area that'd be great. Thanks
Great site I just found guys. :charge:
Here check it out
Ok guys I'm currently working on the Gallic warband and the Bodubatae. I've been bogged down with school (2 midterms and a final this week) and so time for modding is almost zero. Probably tommorow I'll have the Gallic warband mostly completed so Psycho can get to work skinning it. Reconspy they're looking awseome, I love em. I can add the torc if you want but it's really only noticble upclose. Still, more so then textured on. A sun medallion would be awseome and I can do that if you want, not sure if that's part of the design (in the picture though).
Edit Psyco unfortunatly I don't think it is possible to have 3 weapons that is sword spear and throwing spear. Only a scondary and primary weapon, however I could be mistaken. Also I was wondering if the averni arjos were to have a sword?
Sure thing V, check your private messages.
Great stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vercingetorix
Yes. Ok, we can try and give the Arverni and Bodubatae a special ability whereby they act as a Phalanx (albeit with just spears not pikes etc) but with that ability ‘off’, as swordsman?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vercingetorix
So what do you guys think about the Warband? Have an ability to throw spears and then resort to sword eg. Romans ..or should they forgo the secondary sword and throw and thrust with spear? I’d probably lean toward the former if we could get them to march with those throwing spears in hand until otherwise engaged with sword.