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@ScionTheWorm: The new kernbannals look good!
Re spears pointing down: I don't know for sure, it's just what I've heard from others. I'm not a modeller/animator so I don't know what possibilites/restrictions there are. If it is impossible I agree with the two spearheads suggestion.
Ok what do you think
Scottish and Irish Soikernbannal
http://img144.echo.cx/img144/8380/sc280qt.th.jpg
(scots above, irish below)
About the animations:
The unit has to, when using the spear, take it from "running"-position (upsidedown) and lift it up so it's along and over his shoulder; if the spearhead is pointing upwards, he would have to change hand-positions in some way, making the animation more complex. If possible, I would think that doing a fast swapping animation (spear suddenly upsidedown for fighting ancient style) would do the trick.
I agree. Normally if lifting the spear you'd quickly spin it around in the hand, at least for shorter spears, and it's only shorter spears that can be used effectively in overhand position. If you or skeletor can fix that, it would open a lot of possibilities
Ranika: Can you first of all describe a gaelic leather helmet? And are padded coats like the ones peasants use in vanilla?
Lovely, :2thumbsup: :medievalcheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by ScionTheWorm
Okay, looking into the alcadh and the left vs. right shoulder issue, I have learned that the alcadh was indeed worn by on the right shoulder, and yes, it was worn on the right shoulder; apparently, all aristocrats pinned their clothing on the right shoulder as a status symbol. Interestingly, women pinned their garments on the opposite shoulder (right for most women, left for aristocrats).
Is the Scottish soikernbannal supposed to wear trews?
Here a picture of the Breton cavalry ~D
http://tricotbd.free.fr/bd/bdgalerie...Bretagne01.jpg
Place trews again on these Scots' archers, like were on the kernbannal (both of these troops are just levies); that'll be the end of Gaelic units that need trews (except for perhaps Ostmen mercenaries, but we'll worry about that when we come to it). Otherwise, they look great. It's very pleasing to the eye to see substantially more accurate Gaelic units (especially considering my memories of Viking Invasion; dark age highlanders and gallowglass, gah).
A Gaelic leather helmet is essentially just a boiled leather cap, that ties around the chin; it covers the top and back of the head rather tightly. The same cap is worn by heavier Gaelic soldiers under an iron helmet; that'd be like Ridire and Arras.
The padded coat was generally a kind of yellowish-green earth tone color. It went to the waist, and had short sleeves (the leine would be worn under this, but the shoulder cloak or cloak would be worn over it). Scottish leather coats were similar, except, of course, they were leather, so a leathery texture with leathery colors is in order for them.
Some side notes, for Gaelic professionals. Gaels, at this time, generally wore sword scabbards diagonally across their lower back, not at their side. Just a reminder, that Gaels generally organized in multiples of 25 (25, 50, 100, 150, 200); both of these were considered part of 'fighting in the ancient style', along with using a spear overhand, throwing spears before a charge, etc.
I agree. It also feels pretty cool to be able to have a bit of a say in all this. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ranika
Yes, it is. It's a very nice feeling, and as they saying is; if you want something done right, you'll have to do it yourself. ...Or at least harp at others who are doing it and willing to listen.
It has occured to me; if the Irish faction starts in western Ireland, their units should have blue paint (not kerns though, so the kernbannal/soikernbannal are fine; non-soldiers wouldn't go through the trouble). The rebel skins for the different units shouldn't have the paint, but professional Irish soldiers probably should, since it's likely Connaghta or Eoghanaghta in charge of the faction. Scots and rebels would lack the paint though. It's not really necessary at all, I suppose, but I'd still include the paint on Inishnaghta (Irish islanders, which did paint themselves).
@ Scion, those Archers are amazing ~:cheers:
@ Ranika/NeonGod, nice to hear that you apriciate our (Scions) work. Your knowledge of the Geals is amasing too.. It's cool for us too, getting the unit's accurate (i wold probably gone for quilt, large sword ect ~:) ) Really apriciate it!
Keap up the good work.
-Skel-
http://img166.echo.cx/img166/8470/sweheavyaxe9kl.jpg
Swede heavy axe
:charge:
-Skel-
Good looking axemen; how many factions will there be that'll get to use the model? It'd be nice to see it with a bunch of different skins and variations.
I think all the vikings, and the british wil have them.
I tried for normands, but the shield is a bit small
http://img166.echo.cx/img166/908/firstnorman0gc.png
:thumbsup: Very good! ~:cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by skeletor
A question: could we use something similar to those shield marks for Rus faction symbol?
Yes, shield needs to be bigger, otherwise good.Quote:
Originally Posted by skeletor
Excellent skins skel
Very nice!! Damn.. that chain mail really did the trick! These really seems like elite fighters... only thing I noticed is that maybe the eyeholes in the helmet is too close to each other?
Love the helmets and the cloaks with vague motives... I have to use the helmet-skin and chain mail when skinning my armoured people.
Extremely nice helmet
Nice looking. To be picky though, I must say I doubt the wearing of cloaks to battle.
A good number of types of soldiers wore full-length cloaks in battle, though, to my recollection, most were Celtic. They'd use the cloaks as a defense by kind of ripping them off and throwing them on an enemy to disorient them, or wear thick cloaks that double as a kind of defense.
It was in fact commun for norse to wear cloaks in battele. The color of the cloak indikated their status, and witch "ætt" or family they represented. Their hird wold allso wear the colors of the nobles they were fighting for.
The term "berzerk" has 2 theory's:
1. (norr. berserkr ), means fighting only in their serk (simple piece of clothing, without any armour.)
2. the one CA used: (norr. bera ), means (she)Bear, and therefor "men fighting in a bear-cloak).
(Source, Snorres kongesaga, gyldendal's 1998, with explanations of words, comments, and relations to archaeology.)
I just leave it there until anyone prove me wrong ~:) .
-Skel-
AFAIK the cloak was fastened on over the right shoulder, indeed to keep the sword arm free. But I still can't see why you'd want it on in battle, would just be constantly in the way of your left arm.
As for colourcoding, I've never heard of it, and it seems quite unnecessary to me as people within the hird would've known eachother quite well.
Further more I don't think I've ever seen any depiction of it either. Take a look at the Bayeux tapestry for example: http://www.sjolander.com/viking/museum/bt/bt.htm
About the meaning of Berserk, you'll fet no arguments from me, though I'm not sure what it has to do with anything.
skeletor, if you want to start skinning Khazars, look in the tech trees thread. I've updated their tech tree and it's probably complete now. Only unit I'm not sure about is the musicians unit, which should if included be a unit of troops very bad at fighting but with a demoralizing "music" function. The different Turkish tribes were known for using musical instruments, primarily drums, to unnerve their opponents in and before battle. If you don't like the idea I'll remove that unit, but the rest of the tech tree is at least certain.
would be hard to model it and get it to play music, wouldn't it? On the other hand it could have some screeching women-features.. but I think it's not worth the amount of work I believe it would take
@ Scion. Im not really sure how mutch work it wold be, but it might be a piece of cace if we just change the sound, and model of screaching women. It wold be really cool having them, byt i'll look at them when the rest is finish..
@ Legioxxxxxxxxxxx. I have sterted working on khazar royal cavalry ~:) It might take some time, but we have a bad weather forecast here this week, so i guess i have some worktime. One thing, from what i have read and seen, they were some of the first to use sabres, so i think i'll give them sabres instead of swords.
-Skel-
Ok, sabres sounds good. Actually, FYI I've written swords wherever I mean something too long to be an axe ~D So swords really means claymore, broad-sword, short sword, sabre or whatever can be counted as a sword... Just so there are no misunderstandings I'm mostly only forming the tech trees and unit lists, then the details about weaponry and equipment needs more research, in this thread and in the concept art thread. Anyway good luck! Just as much as you couldn't wait to skin those guys, I can't wait to see screenshots from them skinned ~:)Quote:
Originally Posted by skeletor
I thought it would require it's own skeleton for playing drums etc.? Of course it would be excellent to have them...Quote:
Originally Posted by skeletor
Question:
I have some plans for the viking standard... In ancient Norse times in Scandinavia, a normal way to insult pople, was to add a horsehead on top of a stick. And write rouns with insulting stuff for the time like gay, zolofile aso on the stick, and point it at the one you wanted to insult. I just thought it wold look cool as a standard with a man carrying the horsehead to insult the enemy. Horses were allso an important item in Norse rituals for sacrifice and more.
Thoughts?
-Skel-
Yeah, it could be cool, maybe carried by the Norse unit officers? As for the main standard of all factions, I think it should be connected to the faction symbol in one way or another so it's easy to see which faction the unit belongs to.Quote:
Originally Posted by skeletor