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What are you blethering on about Ceasar ?
I really am having difficulty making any sense whatsoever out of your last 2 posts ~:confused:
As I told you , the truth....the truth...
What truth ???
You mention the persecution of Lehi , would that be Lehi aka Stern gang/ N.M.O./Irgun zvai Leumi be-Yisrael ? who wanted to form an alliance with Nazi Germany and sent Naftali Lebenchik with their written proposals to meet the Nazi representatives ?
to use Shamir's views of the Nazis in 1933
Wrong decade young man :book:
BTW what is your fetish about the IRA ? Do you assume that I support them or something ?
you forgetting , not a single bombing on the camps , not one ! why ?
Bombing prison camps , my my , what a novel idea ~:confused:
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Was there ever a definitive answer as to why the camps or at least the railroads that led to the camps were not bombed by the Allies or the Russian?
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"Palestine is not an empty country . . . on no account must we injure the rights of the inhabitants."
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"... In all of Palestine there were [in 1906] 700,000 inhabitants, only 55,000 of whom were Jews, and only 550 of these were [Zionists] pioneers."
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The majority of Palestine's Jews were not citizens of the country, but guests from Tsarist Russia.
The Jews in Palestinian were mostly Orthodox Jews who made up 7.8% of the total population.
At the time, the majority of Orthodox Jews were non-Zionist. Actually, the majority were anti-Zionist.
Zionist pioneers were almost absent in Palestine as of 1906, and constituted only 1% of the total Jewish population in Palestine.
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Originally Posted by Beirut
Was there ever a definitive answer as to why the camps or at least the railroads that led to the camps were not bombed by the Allies or the Russian?
I don't know - and since my research ability is limited at work - I will have to wait to find out.
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Was there ever a definitive answer as to why the camps or at least the railroads that led to the camps were not bombed by the Allies or the Russian?
not a definitive answer , but....
Starting with a plea from the Slovakian rabbi Weissmandl in May 1944, there was a growing campaign to convince the Allies to bomb Auschwitz or the railway lines leading to it. At one point Winston Churchill ordered that such a plan be prepared, but he was told that bombing the camp would most likely kill prisoners without disrupting the killing operation, and that bombing the railway lines was not technically feasible. Later several nearby military targets were bombed. One bomb accidentally fell into the camp and killed some prisoners. The debate over what could have been done, or what should have been attempted even if success was unlikely, has continued heatedly ever since.
Also you could look at the post war US air force bombing analysis reports where they cover the rail network . It would seem that bombing the train lines themselves is of little impact until it became a major focus in mid-late '44 as they can be easily repaired and the network had been built with excess redundancy .
The biggest impact on the rail transport network was the dispuption of the coal industry .
Anyhow even if they had destroyed the rail lines leading to the camps , it would have only meant tht the Nazis went back to the earlier method , before the tracks were extended to the camps , and simply force marched their victims to their murder .
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Originally Posted by Beirut
Same as the Zionists.
I agree. I do not know why they did not bomb the camps or the railroads. On the other hand, my father fought the Germans in Italy with the Canadian Army and he did what he had to do and just because there was no bombing of the camps, that does not take away from his effort to defeat the Nazis in any way. The end result, however indirect, led to the end of the camps.
It has been well established that Ben-Gurion didn't give a **** about anything but Israel. Including the Jews of Europe, who he said, in 1942, "are not my concern", as well as the Jewish children of Europe of whom he said, also in 1942, that he would sacrifice the half of them in order to send the half to a future Israel instead of the whole to different countries at the moment in order to save them. For single minded determination, give the man a cookie. For his humanity, well...
1. "Same as the Zionists" So , again , send the Jews to the sea , you are holding the opinions of the "HAMAS" and "JIHAD" , well , where do you want's us to live , my dear Achmad Yasin ? ~;) maybe in Canada ? some 10,000,000 skm with only 25,000,000 people hhhhhmmmmmmmmmm
2. About Ben Gurion - he was no Liberal , he wanted 1 thing , a Jewish state , such a crime.... you know , the Arabs have 22
Facts...
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
What are you blethering on about Ceasar ?
I really am having difficulty making any sense whatsoever out of your last 2 posts ~:confused:
As I told you , the truth....the truth...
What truth ???
You mention the persecution of Lehi , would that be Lehi aka Stern gang/ N.M.O./Irgun zvai Leumi be-Yisrael ? who wanted to form an alliance with Nazi Germany and sent Naftali Lebenchik with their written proposals to meet the Nazi representatives ?
to use Shamir's views of the Nazis in 1933
Wrong decade young man :book:
BTW what is your fetish about the IRA ? Do you assume that I support them or something ?
you forgetting , not a single bombing on the camps , not one ! why ?
Bombing prison camps , my my , what a novel idea ~:confused:
How come your posts always have disrespect , always using scorn words ?
Where are your Europeans manners ? I told you before that I respect your harsh views because of your distance from the subject , please.....
"Wrong decade" ??????????????? are you talking about the "LEHI" attempts to buy Jews from the Germans in 1940 ? well , that is a big crime ....
about the IRA - just facts to chill up your self-righteousness
"Bombing prison camps..." - well , here , you showed your true face , there is no one in the Academy who have not ask the question - why no a single bombing ? so you have the unswear , tell them that it was not a novel idea...
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Why the muslim turks never gave to the "palestinians" a state ?
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are you talking about the "LEHI" attempts to buy Jews from the Germans in 1940 ? well , that is a big crime ....
Yes ethnic cleansing is a big crime .
"Bombing prison camps..." - well , here , you showed your true face , there is no one in the Academy who have not ask the question - why no a single bombing ? so you have the unswear , tell them that it was not a novel idea...
So you think the Allies shoud have killed the prisoners with high exploosives to save the Nazis the effort of killing them ? Truly a novel idea ~:confused:
"Wrong decade" ??????????????
Yes , wrong decade Ceasar, Lehi didn't exist in the '30s
always using scorn words ?
Blethering = long winded nonsense , a perfect word to descibe your two posts it alluded to .
about the IRA - just facts to chill up your self-righteousness
When you hear me praising the IRA then perhaps it may have some relevance , but you will have a long time to wait before that happens .
Why the muslim turks never gave to the "palestinians" a state ?
Well possibly because it was part of their empire and they didn't want to fragment their Empire . :dizzy2:
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Why the muslim turks never gave to the "palestinians" a state ?
Well possibly because it was part of their empire and they didn't want to fragment their Empire .
And the Jordanians?
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And the Jordanians?
Ah yes , silly me , how could I forget , the Ottomans did give Jordan idependance , just like they did to the Syrians , Lebanese , Saudis and Iraqis .
Or do you mean why did Jordan do a deal with Isreal to grab the land allocated to the Palestinian arab state ?
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I mean why when Jordan controled Palestine for 20 years why didnt they give the Palestinians their promised state and why didnt the Palestinians complain about it?
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why didnt the Palestinians complain about it?
Errrr....they did , as did other countries , Jordans monarchy was often referred to as an Imperialist puppet and a Zionist collaborator .
As for why they didn't complain as much , probably because there wasn't the mass expulsions/flight that occured on the other side or the divide .
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, probably because there wasn't the mass expulsions/flight that occured on the other side or the divide
You never heard of Black Sunday or the PLO and Jordan having a civil war and them being driven out of Jordan. Hell they killed more Palestinians than Israel up to that time.
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
are you talking about the "LEHI" attempts to buy Jews from the Germans in 1940 ? well , that is a big crime ....
Yes ethnic cleansing is a big crime .
"Bombing prison camps..." - well , here , you showed your true face , there is no one in the Academy who have not ask the question - why no a single bombing ? so you have the unswear , tell them that it was not a novel idea...
So you think the Allies shoud have killed the prisoners with high exploosives to save the Nazis the effort of killing them ? Truly a novel idea ~:confused:
"Wrong decade" ??????????????
Yes , wrong decade Ceasar, Lehi didn't exist in the '30s
always using scorn words ?
Blethering = long winded nonsense , a perfect word to descibe your two posts it alluded to .
about the IRA - just facts to chill up your self-righteousness
When you hear me praising the IRA then perhaps it may have some relevance , but you will have a long time to wait before that happens .
Why the muslim turks never gave to the "palestinians" a state ?
Well possibly because it was part of their empire and they didn't want to fragment their Empire . :dizzy2:
You know what ? your post's are rubbish ! satisfied now ?
What ethnic cleaning ?
"Bombing" ? YES
Read my post's . I said Shamir in the 30' , not the "LEHI" ahhhhhhhhhh
IRA - the national movement of the Irishmens , the "LEHI" , some 200 man in the 40' , have some proportions.......
"Empire" - so , if you are an empire you should keep it whatever , including smashing any Arab attempts to independents , but if you are a People who want's to survive after a holocaust , in some 15,000 skm , you are a war criminal...... well , I can't really argue with such a twisted logic
"He always managed to conceal his ignorance by using "sophisticated" writing" (kurt tukhcolsky)
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What ethnic cleaning ?
I thought you might of heard of it , it was quite a big story ,you see there was this bunch of people in Germany called Nazis and they wanted to get rid of all the Jews in Europe .
Bombing" ? YES
Kill hm to stop them being killed , yes that makes sense :dizzy2:
IRA - the national movement of the Irishmens ,
Is it ? well thats news to me
the "LEHI" , some 200 man in the 40' , have some proportions.......
yes have some proportions , for example , if the IRA(which one , there are so many to choose from) offered an alliance to a regime that had a policy of persecuting Irish people do you think there would be anyone willing to defend that organisation and its members ?
Yet you are willing to defend people who actually did this . Why ?
Is it ethnic blindness ?
if you are a People who want's to survive after a holocaust , in some 15,000 skm , you are a war criminal...... well , I can't really argue with such a twisted logic
Twisted logic ? What the hell has the aspirations for a Jewish homeland got to do with the holocaust ?
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Originally Posted by Tribesman
What ethnic cleaning ?
I thought you might of heard of it , it was quite a big story ,you see there was this bunch of people in Germany called Nazis and they wanted to get rid of all the Jews in Europe .
Bombing" ? YES
Kill hm to stop them being killed , yes that makes sense :dizzy2:
IRA - the national movement of the Irishmens ,
Is it ? well thats news to me
the "LEHI" , some 200 man in the 40' , have some proportions.......
yes have some proportions , for example , if the IRA(which one , there are so many to choose from) offered an alliance to a regime that had a policy of persecuting Irish people do you think there would be anyone willing to defend that organisation and its members ?
Yet you are willing to defend people who actually did this . Why ?
Is it ethnic blindness ?
if you are a People who want's to survive after a holocaust , in some 15,000 skm , you are a war criminal...... well , I can't really argue with such a twisted logic
Twisted logic ? What the hell has the aspirations for a Jewish homeland got to do with the holocaust ?
Man , you are so funny , What the hell has the aspirations for a Jewish homeland got to do with the holocaust ? ~D ~;) ~:) ~D ~;) ~:) ~D ~;) ~:) , again , What the hell has the aspirations for a Jewish homeland got to do with the holocaust ? , you are on bear again ?
Let me say one thing , even the "palestinians" said it many tims - " We , the palestinians , are paying for the crimes of the Europeans against the Jews" - well ? that is a connection or not ?
What the hell has the aspirations for a Jewish homeland got to do with the holocaust ? , what the hell I am arguing with you ?
"JUDEN RAUS!!!" - Where to my dear Irishman ? maybe mars ?
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Its quite simple Ceasar , what came first , the aspiration for a Jewish homeland or the holocaust ?